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Challenge 25 policy needs some flexibility

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Challenge 25 is a good idea in principle, but I think that there should be some flexibility built into this new age verification policy.  Whilst I welcome any measures that may help to curb underage drinking, I feel that sometime you need to be a little more objective and treat each person appropriately depending on their own unique circumstances.  For those who are unaware of exactly what this is (and up until yesterday this included myself), Challenge 25 basically means that pubs and clubs need to ask you to prove that your are over 18 if you APPEAR to look under the age of 25.

The reason for this gripe is that we found ourselves in a rather awkward situation last night when we were turned away from a very popular JD Wetherspoon pub in Edinburgh.  We were in the city to celebrate my sisters 50th and were due to meet up with the main party at a club later on.  My girlfriend and I, both 42 and 33 respectively, were out with my nephew who is now 25.  My nephew hadnt anticipated any problems getting into pubs and as it was some time ago he turned 18, he didnt have any form of ID on him.

Sadly, we couldnt get into the particular pub we wanted to go to because the doormen felt that he may have been under 25.  Yes, he may have looked under 25 but he certainly didnt look under 18.

A pint of beer on the bar As I said, Im not against the idea of challenging individuals to make sure that they are old enough to be served alcohol, but I do think that a certain degree of flexibility should be allowed.  Surely the doormen could have made a judgement call in this case and seen us for what we were, an older couple out for a few drinks with a younger relative?

Ironically the Challenge 25 policy isnt widely enforced yet and we had no trouble at all going into a pub a little bit further down the road.  Later on when we met up with our other relatives at the club we weren't challenged and asked to provide ID their either.  Whilst Im sure that Challenge 25 will help reduce the amount of under age drinking, I do feel thatit may also result in a fair number of people who are old enough being disappointed and left out in the cold.

By: Michael's Uncle


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make mine a large one

make mine a large one

If you look under 25 take ID with you, it stops you being you denied a drink!
make mine a large one
18th Feb 13 20:09

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Anon

Anon

Why do the supermarkets also need you to prove you are over 18 to buy alcohol free wine like Schloer? Grapes are not a restricted product.
Anon
19th Nov 11 17:40

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Common sense rarely prevails

Common sense rarely prevails

Whilst at uni my (now) wife was asked for I.D. in Lloyds - back in the days when you 'only' had to look 18 and not 25 - although she was 20 at the time anyway. She had on her a student nurse I.D, a credit card and university NUS card, all of which you have to be 18 to obtain. The Nurse and uni I.D. also had a photo of her. She did not drive nor at that point own a passport. Unbeliveably they refused to serve her on the basis they ONLY accept passports or driving licenses. I spoke to the manager and tried to reason with her and apply some common sense but it was no use.

I've never been back to a Lloyds since.
Common sense rarely prevails
16th Nov 11 10:00

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grumpyoldwoman

grumpyoldwoman

They do this in some supermarkets as well; and some of them refuse to sell alcohol to adults who have children with them in case they are buying it for the kids. The fact that it is perfectly legal for parents to give alcohol to their children over the age of 5 in their own home seems to have escaped them.

The only thing to do, as Grumpy xx says, is vote with your feet. Personally I'd find it quite satisfying to be turned away at the till because I had a child with me and some booze in the trolley; particularly if I had about £150 of shopping and they had to put it all away again!

I can't think how these idiots come up with these ideas either.

I wonder if treament such as in the original gripe is grounds to sue? Pubs, clubs, hotels and restaurants can get sued for turning away customers on other grounds after all.
grumpyoldwoman
18th Oct 11 08:38

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Grumpy xx

Grumpy xx

It never ceases to amaze me how these daft policies come into being. The best thing to do is vote with your feet and only go to pubs and clubs that don't indulge in this kind of control freakery and help to put them out of business.

If the lawful drinking age is 'x' you should only need to prove that you are over 'x' if the doorman's subjective assessment tells him you might not be. Not prove that you look younger than 'y' based on some sort of daft assumption that the magic figure of 25 makes everyone look 25 or more.

Who the hell dreams up this rubbish?
Grumpy xx
17th Oct 11 21:05

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