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Well it looks as if the TV Licensing people haven't got the message yet, even though their enforcement officers paid us a visit just over a week ago.  I moved to this house a few months ago by the way and have so far completely ignored all the warnings that they have sent demanding that I buy a TV Licence or possibly face a fine.

I don't see why I should communicate with these parasites every time I move house to tell them I still do not have a television.  Why should I?  It's a clear case of being guilty until you prove you are innocent.  As for the enforcement officer with the TV detector van that turned up last week, well he wanted to come in and take a look around to make sure we didn't have a TV.  Naturally I wasn't going to permit a stranger to come into my home without some more official looking documentation.

That TV Licensing badge looked authentic enough, but this guy could have been anyone and I didn't see a van up the street!  He could even have been there just to case the joint for some future robbery or it could have been a distraction burglary, you hear about them all the time.  I sent him away to get a warrant because he wasn't about to enter my house without one.  He mumbled something about making a phone call and that they had detected a television in my house.  I pointed out that the only thing they could have detected was the computer as I don't have a TV.

A sample threatening letter from TV Licensing

That was that I thought as I closed the door and I still haven't heard anything further regarding an inspection so who knows.  I had thought that our little conversation was enough to set the record straight, tick in the box that this house doesn't have a TV etc.  Apparently not though because I received yet another threatening letter from the TV Licensing people addressed to The Occupier.  Very strange that, because the enforcing officer that turned up on my doorstep took a note of my name.  I would have thought that information should have filtered through they system somehow.

Anyway, this letter from TV Licensing is actually the reason for writing this gripe (click on the image to read it in full).  It's the tone of it that I really don't like.  It comes across as very threatening and intimidating and if any other company were to send out this kind of material on a regular basis, I am pretty sure there would be a national uproar.  How do they get away this?

It begins with the words OFFICIAL WARNING in underlined capitals.  A warning of course means cautionary advice about something imminent (especially imminent danger).  An official warning therefore carries more weight.  It means you've done something wrong (or they think you've done something wrong).  Even the typeface comes across as a bit official and stern and this is deliberate I think.  Then there's the liberal scattering of words and phrases such as "police", "criminal" and "court appearance" in the text.

In my opinion this document isn't designed to help you buy a TV Licence, rather it is designed to SCARE you into buying one and that to me is just not on!  When did it suddenly become okay for companies to send out a threatening communication like this?

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have a TV and I don't want one.  But I also don't believe that I should have to inform these people whenever I move house that I still don't want a television.  I especially resent being harassed (yes, that is exactly what this is) and treated like a criminal because I dare to stray from the norm and not buy a TV licence.

Can you imagine how an elderly person would feel having received a threatening notice like this?  Not particularly nice is it?

By: Kenny

How to deal with TV Licensing

Avoiding TVL/BBC harassment
Someone very kindly sent in a link to this site. It contains lots of useful information about dealing with the TV Licensing people and in particular what they can and can't do. I'm inclined to draw your attention to the section called "Tips for avoiding TVL/BBC harassment" on the left hand menu at the top of the page.


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Annoyed!

Annoyed!

I stopped paying for a TV licence when I found out my local MP was claiming the licence fee in his expenses. Why should I subsidize him and all the other scumbags that claim at our expense?
06/08/12 Annoyed!
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grumpyoldwoman

grumpyoldwoman

jobby, I don't know who you use this defence with; it's about as much good as saying "I only watch ITV" or "I only watch videos". It just won't wash with anyone who counts.

You've been lucky so far; but just remember the rest of us are subsidising your viewing!
04/08/12 grumpyoldwoman
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grumpyoldwoman

grumpyoldwoman

Not quite with you jobby, you seem to be implying that you don't need a licence with a freeview box. I'm afraid it ain't so!
03/08/12 grumpyoldwoman
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Mike

Mike

I am sick of receiving BBC threatening letters. My Father died when he was in receipt of a free TV licence. On the day they buried my Father i got a threatening letter for the first time. I was in tears. As soon as he died i got threatened by the BBC. I also lost my brother due to sudden death. I am a lone and coping with repairs on my house. I have to pay my own Home insurance, Car Insurance, Council Tax (Rates), Electric, plus much more all on my own. Then i get these letters from the BBC pay up or be fined. I am just about sick of them. Two letters in one month. Now i am getting threatened with an inspector coming around my house. You get people living in houses with families of four adults with lots of money coming in who may not miss the money - but to someone on their own it is a nightmare having this forced on them year in and year out until the grave. It is pathetic. I am trying to cope with the loss of my family. I do not need this. Why can't i watch a TV - why should i pay for this so that stars can be on six figure salaries whilst i suffer. If they want to keep there BBC licence fee why can't they make it so that all adults pay the same so that it evenly distributed - even if it is 50P per week from people's salaries - this would mean no more threatening letters, no office to maintain in Bristol - no more court cases - no more bills etc. There must be a better way than bullying people and forcing this on people including the elderly. How much does the BBC pay its lawyers to write out these laws to bully people into paying this tax every year. There are on-line petitions calling for change or its abolishion - why are they not being heard? Why is the law on the side of the BBC - No one represents the people. I just litteraly hate it. Nothing changes.
03/08/12 Mike
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Mike

Mike

I have not had a TV for 33 years.

I informed TVLA in writing (1999) with a fairly emphatic statement that ‘I did not have a TV, was not intending to purchase one, would of course inform them if I did, etc, etc’ after getting one letter that was slightly less threatening than usual. The letters stopped for 2 years and then the visits & letters restarted.

These people are ignorant trolls.

TVLA uses UKMail to collect letters (and get paid to do so) then UKMail uses Royal Mail who, as a 'common carrier', does not get paid to deliver (the expensive bit). So I now put the so-called reminders into a separate envelope addressed to TVLA Bristol, but without a stamp. This now means that poor old Royal Mail gets to charge excess postage when delivering TVLA's letter back to them! Cross-subsidising a truly useful service and hopefully causing TVLA grief and admin problems. My address still remains on the reminder’s envelope – I really do not care what they try on! They might get the message one day.

Please - everyone should do this!

And if they come a-visiting again, I still do not have a TV after 33 years…
10/05/12 Mike
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El Macca

El Macca

Just let them in confirm you have no tv. That's it. Why all the fuss. No one likes paying the fee but it's the law. I don't like paying tax or having to do 70mph on the motorway but it's the law you nobhead.
24/04/12 El Macca
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not guilty

not guilty

i am at my wits end with tv licence, yes i have a tv i dont watch it i was advised that if the aerial was not connected i was fine, i had a visit i foolishly let him in and yes the tv was not connected , i was taken to court as i pleaded noit guilty and it went to trial, i was fined 305 pounds because i have money others were caught using theres and got a fine of 40.00 looters and criminals get less im totally distraught with it all
07/10/11 not guilty
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hairyfairy

hairyfairy

I`m on the easy pay scheme, & if I`m just a couple of days late with a payment, I get nasty letters threatening me with being thrown off the scheme if I don`t pay up immediately. I think the tv licence should be abolished, & though adverts are irritating sometimes, I would rather put up with them than be stung for £13 a month.
14/09/11 hairyfairy
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grumpyoldwoman

grumpyoldwoman

I'd send the letters back to them (in the original envelope, no stamp) with something like "we do not have a television" written all over them in large red letters.

A call to the citizens advice bureau might also be a good idea.
07/09/11 grumpyoldwoman
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Gomez

Gomez

We have been living in our rented property for coming upto 5 months, we do not own a TV or anything to do with one, therefore do not have a license. We received our first threatening letter about a month ago, I noticed the address was totally wrong and a number of people had written on the outside of the envelope 'not at this address' or 'try (and named our address)' anyway we had another letter last week, with totally the wrong address again and also not address with our names, threatening to take us to court, the visit from the enforcement officer, court costs and what to expect in court. I really don't want to get in touch with them as there is no need, the cost of the telephone call/writing and sending a letter, and I dont want to give them my correct details as I will be playing into there hands....we are legal, but I am made to feel like a criminal, we dont have TV, we dont want a TV, we dont watch a TV, ....what would other people in our situation do? Thanks
06/09/11 Gomez
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thinker

thinker

do you know what would be a good idea? if everyone kept the threatening letters form the bbc for 6 months and then write on them return to sender, and there is no need to put stamps on them, the offices would inundated with them, just imagine 2or 3 hundred thousand letters sent back, it would take some sorting of those.
24/08/11 thinker
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thinker

thinker

this from the justice of the peace (magistrates) blog
and can be seen online
Earlier this year on 9th April I discussed the organisation which is responsible for funding the BBC; TV Licensing. This organisation is also responsible for prosecuting those who watch TV in contravention of the law by not having a license. This body has the full trappings of a prosecuting authority with its own fines department, courts listing department and of course its own prosecuters. It also has its own publication department which sends to interested parties three or four times a year "In Brief" with information of interest.

This newsletter is sent out to all magistrates who are members of the Magistrates` Association. I have copied the current edition`s four pages at the end of this post. Roughly 10% of JPs choose not to join the Association. I would presume the Association receives a fee for this although I stand to be corrected on this assumption. TV Licensing is but one of many prosecuting bodies which use the magistrates` courts system to enforce their regulations. For those unaware, using a TV without a license is a criminal offence. It is also a criminal offence eg to be a ticket tout or to ill treat an animal or to contravene planning regulations. The organisations responsible for bringing prosecutions on those matters do not send regular information to magistrates. I question why TV Licensing does so. Is it to inform magistrates who adjudicate on such cases or to subtly influence them in general? If the latter I can assure them that they have failed totally. Indeed most of my colleagues on my bench would happily see TV license evasion be de-criminalised and tried as a civil matter.

Whilst the BBC is a nationalised business the requirement that using the service without a license is a criminal offence is arbitrary. It is time for change.
23/08/11 thinker
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thinker

thinker

Fraudulent Practice
TWO Sidcup residents received court summonses for not having a television licence, when one did not even own a television, a court has heard.

Father-of-four Oluwagbenga Olaniyan, aged 45, of Oak Road, Gravesend, made up interviews with the Sidcup residents, because he feared losing his job, Maidstone Crown Court was told.

Olaniyan was working as a TV licence investigator and was given a target of tracking down one licence dodger an hour during his 37-hour working week.

Those who did not reach their targets were in danger of losing their £16,000-a-year jobs.

As a result, in 2005, Olaniyan fabricated four interviews, two with people in Sidcup and two in Gravesend.

The first they knew was when they received the summonses with a copy of their “interview”.

If Olaniyan’s activities had not been discovered, they could have faced fines of £1,000.

Olaniyan pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice and four charges of false accounting. He was given a 40-week jail sentence, suspended for two years, and ordered to do 200 hours of unpaid work.
23/08/11 thinker
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thinker

thinker

i have been reading about tvl people entering premises and starting to inspect tv sets.
they have been known to try to tune in tvs to broadcasting stations.
if the householder has no aerial attached to the tv and the tv is not tuned into any broadcasting stations, then according to Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003,this type of action is illegal by the tvl people and they are breaking the law as they can be seen to install the tv set, but only if the owner has taken every precaution to ensure that the set cannot receive broadcast stations. this is law by ofcom, please read the following for guidance, Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003
23/08/11 thinker
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thinker

thinker

some years ago in England, a young woman had closed the curtains in her house, and removed her top so as not to get it wet when she was bathing her young child, who was in a plastic bath, and was unclothed.
one of the tvl inspectors, decided he needed to peep through the small gap in the curtains and seen the woman and her small child not properly clothed, the woman found out what had happened, and quickly took a case against tvl, on the peeping tom law also known as voyeurism and won her case, this was widely published in the newspapers at the time, and resulted in the tvl agent losing his job and i am sure compensation as well
22/08/11 thinker
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