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I'd like to bring up the subject of travellers and indeed the travelling community as it has been on the news this week. First of all I'll start of by saying that I have nothing against travellers per se. In fact I've often dreamt of living a nomadic lifestyle myself but for various reasons have been unable to fulfil that particular lifetime dream. It's not an easy thing to do and I'm sure any of the travellers at Dale Farm will second that. But I feel that we all have a responsibility towards the society we live in. Whilst we are free to make lifestyle choices, we should also remember that we are expected to obey the law of the land - and that is my main point here.
There is one other point worth mentioning. Dale Farm is noted as being a "traveller site", however, I thought (and perhaps I'm being naive here) that if you were a traveller you moved from place to place. How many years have the "residents" of this particular "camp" been there? Is it really as much as 10 years? Surely the existence of such a large settled site is at odds with idea of being a traveller? Perhaps I misunderstand, but I thought that real travellers lived a fairly solitary existence, either as individuals or small families. When a large number of families choose to dwell in one place they are in fact a proper settled community rather than small nomadic tribe are they not? As such surely they should be treated the same as everyone else?
I understand that some of the land in this case was bought by the community some time ago, but the fact remains you need permission to build something and if you're camped out on land that doesn't belong to, then you can fully expect to be "moved on" at some point. The law is the law, and it's pretty clear about trespassing and planning permission. Come to think if it, I can't understand how some people can defend the actions of some of these travellers. After all, I'm sure they wouldn't like it if they camped out in their back garden and decided to stay there - permanently! If the land doesn't belong to you don't stay there, and if it does go through the proper channels if you want to build something!
Finally, there is another point I'd like to make regarding travellers. As I said earlier I have nothing against the majority of law abiding citizens who call themselves travellers and actually move from place to place. One thing I do have an issue with is the minority of these people who leave rubbish lying around when they vacate the area they have been staying in. I observed this recently when some travelers stayed on a patch of waste ground close to where I work recently. They were there for about a week and when they moved on they left behind bags of rubbish and all sorts. I've also heard rumours of thefts and crime too - but I have no personal experience of this so I'm unwilling to comment on it personally. At the end of the day if you are going to disparate lifestyle then you should expect to have to... do certain things to fit into society as best you can. For example clearing up your crap when you leave town would be a good start and trying not to pinch stuff - probably only a small number of individuals spoiling it for everyone, but that's all it takes and people tend to remember.
Well... that's all I have to say on that.
By: Jason
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They "educate" their feral young how to steal and use them to break into your property, teaching them that this is an honerable and traditional way of life.
Then we are told, not asked but told, that we must respect their rights to disrespect our rights and that any defamatory word against them or any action taken to try and curb their antisocial behaviour is predjudicial against them. (Much like this post will be no doubt).
No they arn't, they are getting preferencial treatment because of this stupid "ethnic minority" status that they have in law.
Like I said before, any other group of people would have been booted off the site within days.
No doubt someone will say we are the same person! Obviously site admin can see from the IP addresses that we aren't.
They may, wrongly in my opinion, have been granted the status of ethnic minority but the are not being discriminated against. They broke the law and contravened planning regulations and as such are being treated the same as anyone else would have been. In fact they have been treated with rather more leniency that you or I would have.
Allowing them preferential status is discriminating against everyone else, so what's really happening is that parasitic vermin are being given preferential treatment, it's rather like affirmative employment which discrimates against white job seekers.
Wednesday, 30 August 2000
Irish travellers were granted legal protection under the Race Relations Act in a landmark court judgment yesterday"
Dosn't matter what you or I think,or common sense indicates, Mikep, but in law they are a ethnic minority, and therefore have "rights" not applicable to the general population.
"The truth is this: many travellers - whether they move around a lot or not -"
Does anyone else see the paradox in this statement?
"The travelling community also have their own website"
For the edification of those of us who don't know enough about the pure and decent lifestyle of 'the travelling community' perhaps you could post the URL of this website so that we could be better informed and maybe view them with a little more sympathy?
"because being tolerant of others that are different ............. is a clear sing we live in a free country not a dictatorship."
Allowing criminals to run rings around law abiding citizens is a sign that we live in a society where law and order has broken down and where we are pandering to 'minority' groups for the sake of political correctness. You do not seem to grasp one simple thing. They are not an ethnic minority. They have chosen an alternative and parasitic lifestyle which they are enjoying at the expense of the rest of us. To put it bluntly, they are taking the piss, and people like you are allowing that to happen.
To cut a long story short the travellers, being honest and reputable men, tarmac the elderly woman’s drive, charge but a pittance for their work, give a twenty year guarantee and depart with a glow in their heart at being such upright worthy citizens who pay taxes, rates, and don’t use red diesel in their vans.
A fitting role model for their uneducated offspring.
Now that’s a fairy tale!
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