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Dress code in bars and clubs too strict

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In this country our bars and clubs rip us off left right and centre with the cost of drinks or admission fees.  To add insult to injury many of these places are now starting to insist on a dress code before you can even get through the door.  If you're going out clubbing you need to think carefully about what you wear or find yourself refused entrance.

In the town where I live we have two weekend late-night drinking establishments. The one most people prefer to frequent is a modern, bright, fairly expensive wine bar with a resident DJ. On a Saturday night people looking for somewhere to continue enjoying their night out start queuing at 10.30 in order to ensure that they gain entrance.

This establishment however, has a rather strict dress code, jeans and trainers not being considered suitable attire.  Several times I have queued up with friends only to have the slightly stroppy bouncer deny entry to some of them for the sin of wearing, shock horror, JEANS and TRAINERS!

No reprieve for white jeans, chinos - denim is denim, whatever the colour

dress code in clubs And there is no reprieve for white jeans, chinos or whatever you like to call them (denim is denim whatever the colour or label) or any trainers that resemble "normal shoes" but are in fact not as they are made of fabric not shiny leather or leather effect plastic.

So what makes this form of dress offensive? I take it that it isnt because the wearer is deemed to poor to drink in the establishment as he can only afford jeans and trainers to wear because everyone knows that a decent pair of jeans and trainers costs quite a lot of money.  Maybe the management assume that the wearing of these items turns the normally mild mannered person into a beer swilling trouble maker who has nothing better to do than start a fight and wreck the establishment.  Most of my friends spend all week working in offices dressed in "proper" trousers and shoes and prefer to spend their weekends in less formal clothes, maybe it is time that bars and nightclubs stopped being so snobby about dress code.


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I think that the undone top button look with the tie slightly loosening - not much I hasten to add is far far x 1000 better than the look of the top button done up and the tie loosening to reveal a done up button. Yuck!
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Callum

Callum

I do see your point HL but for some reason as the day goes on, my ties have a habit of loosening and I end up looking more like a East End estate agent unless I button my top button. I guess I also just go off example, and some of the other people I work with wear their ties with their top buttons fastened - although, as I was saying earlier, there is the downside of as the day goes on, if you don't tighten up your tie a bit more, then your tie ends up revealing your top button around your collar
12/01/09 Callum
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Do none of you guys not wear a shirt and tie with the top button undone? I always wear a windsor knot and keep my top button undone. It's much more comfortable. For those who have uniforms given to them at work, you can hide the undone top button under the fat windsor knot.

Anyone agree?
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Callum

Callum

That's lucky then...

Well dan, the trouble is with the schools local to the area where I worked, they all have polo shirts as school uniform - not shirts; except the one I went to, so I think thats where most of the lads came from before getting the jobs with this company. I agree with the clip on, we did give them the actual ties in the end also but this was just while they couldn't get the hang of tying a tie properly - after taking my tie off and showing them a couple of times, I just told them to look it up on Youtube haha! Didn't realise how hard it is to explain...
12/01/09 Callum
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tightcollarman

tightcollarman

Hello Dan...looking forward to hearing about adherance to the new strict dress-code! Too bad you didn't get all three ties - silver would be great too (one of my favorites!) Would be interested in hearing more detail about the tight, stiff shirt collars - from where did they get the shirts? Glad to hear the shirts are plain white - very formal. And how were they sized - to exact neck measurements?
Regards...Brad (tightcollarman)
12/01/09 tightcollarman
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dan

dan

hi callum ... no all this get up is completely free , quite looking forward to tomorrow in one way dreading it another, the companys basically insurance but larger stuff not every day stuff . I cant understand anybody not knowing how to tie a tie .? I thought everybody did from school being that its compulsory at most schools. but that is one thing I would never wear and thats a clip on tie and teaching somebody how to tie a tie thats hard as well you where certainly brave . I remember the first time and that was when I was twelve got the hang of it pretty quickly and after a few detintion for not wearing it ????
12/01/09 dan
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Callum

Callum

TC: I think it depends on the wedding, I'd usually go by what everyone else does though. If it's quite a formal wedding, I'd probably keep my buttons fastened all evening. However, if it was black tie - I'd definitely untie my bow tie as the night went on, it's a good look!

dan: Doesn't sound too bad, are you having to pay for this or is the company paying? It'll be quite funny when you all get in to work with your wardrobe makeovers lol! What kind of company is it that you work for?

I used to work before uni for a menswear retailer and we would often get orders from companies for items for corporatewear, one company brought its staff in for suit measurements and the amount of staff who didn't know their collar size was surprising, then it really shocked me how many didn't know how to tie a tie - I tried teaching a few of them with my tie, but it wasn't going well; so we got a few of the ties specially customised to act as clip-on - although that wasn't a popular option with some of the younger staff (ones who didn't know how to tie a tie) because they commented that they weren't planning on buttoning the top button.
12/01/09 Callum
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dan

dan

hi people well tomorrows the day!!! have just recieved my new office wear three dark/mid grey suits five white shirts with excepitionally high collar .. and quite uncomfortable to wear and a choise of two either dark red , blue or silver plain coloured ties . I have gone for the red and blue . dress code states that all knots to be in a windsor knot top buttons fastened as well as suit jackets ... must admit suits are very stylish and quite well fitted all staff have been warned that it is compolsury to adhere to the dress code other wise disiplinary action will be taken and our boss being a right a hitler I think we will be in for a right nasty regime>>>
12/01/09 dan
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TightCollar

TightCollar

Went to wedding on Saturday. Guys wearing suit and tie obviously. Start of evening all top buttons were fastened but as evening went on some guys loosened ties and undid top buttons and some removed ties completely. What do you all do ? Is there an appropriate time to loosen your tie at a wedding ? Do you think everyone should loosen at some point ? Would be interested to know others' views/habits.
12/01/09 TightCollar
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Callum

Callum

Hi folks, I'd be interested in getting some new shirts with collar bars, I've seen a few people on TV wearing them - like George Lamb - any clues on where I could get them?

I'm in my final few months of Uni and learning the hard way the importance of looking sharp and doing your top button. I wore a shirt and tie to school for years and never really needed to wear my shirt fully buttoned up until my final year when the school changed the school uniform to make it compulsory to button your top button, there were regular checks and so it made it a bit annoying, because I found it a bit restricting - distracting almost.

Now I'm at Uni, I really dislike the look of fastening the top button - especially when you discover through the day that your tie has loosened a bit without realising and your top button is on show to others... annoying.
12/01/09 Callum
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newinsuit

newinsuit

well, my supervisor does want my collars starched and buttoned. She's enjoying the strictness of the new dress code. I may have no choice.

Perhaps others can advise on the double button collar shirts with collar bar?
11/01/09 newinsuit
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If you're shirt is starched you definitely don't want your top button done up. You'll end up in hospital if you try to fasten it.

Don't buy the double button collar shirts if you can help it. Not sure you can wear a collar bar with them!?
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newinsuit

newinsuit

So it's those double button collars that are higher? My supervisor mentioned a higher collar would be nice to see too. I guess now I know what I might be buying. Wonder how strict those will be with a collar bar?

I had the cleaner heavily starch my shirts for the first time. I'll be wearing one tomorrow for the first time. The extra crisp look is being encouraged. She really is enjoying this. Guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Last year she tried to implement a "business casual, but with tie for men" dress code in our branch. Didn't fly, but this new business formal dress code is from up top so we're all stuck with it now. Hope the starched collar makes her happy and she leaves my tie alone tomorrow!
11/01/09 newinsuit
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Sounds Harry Hillish!! I know what you mean about the smaller sized collar not being that noticeably open with the tie pushed up. However, the two ends must be more apart... not a bad thing, don't get me wrong.

I think I may stick with the one button at the moment.
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Joe

Joe

Because the collar is a smaller size it opens a bit wider but as I tie a fairly big knot this is not particularly noticeable if the tie is pushed up (but I pull it down as the day goes on). There's no way you could do up the buttons without a struggle. The collar is a bit high because of the 2 buttons but not stupidly so. I've seen some high collars in Hawes and Curtis which for me would be unwearable
11/01/09 Joe
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