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If you want your child to go to a good school, whore yourself to religion!  How is it possible in 2010 that education is still mixed up with religion?  Primary school children have been allocated places on how often their parents attend church no matter how close they are to the school.  Parents are being forces to go to church and adopt beliefs (or pretend to adopt) to get a state education for their children!  You absolutely will not have a chance to get a place in a good church school if you don't!

A child who lived for example meters from a Church of England school in the London Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, and attended the church affiliated with the school, was not offered a place at the highly sought after school, but a child who lives in the borough of Wandsworth was offered a place, of which there are only 14 after siblings had been offered places (fair enough).  How is this possible?  Shouldn't parents know exactly what the admission policy or entrance criteria is?  Or is this admittance of an inside illegal system?

When the school was questioned on their admission policy, the parent was told not to break ties with the church at this time in case a place came up in the future, and that the school would ask the vicar which child to pick if a place did come up!  The school would not however go on record go to officially admit this was the admission policy.  Does this mean it is not legal then?  Are parents not allowed to know the exact (or real) entrance criteria?  Is there an official entrance criteria but an unofficial admission policy in fact based on how god fearing you are?

Faith schools Parents with the best links to the church or liked best by the vicar would be given an available place.  Priority is given to the very best most liked church goer, over location.  How is this possible in state education?  The children who live very locally to the school have been offered places an hour away in the North of the borough in under achieving schools.  This is really bad for local community ties.  Of course there simply aren't enough places to go round, but admitting a system is based on favouritism I assume cannot become public knowledge.

There is no place for faith schools in state funded education.  Fee paying schools can be whatever faith they want - you're paying for it, but religion has no place in the state system.  If this system was proposed in parliament in current times, a bill would never be passed to allow it, 'believe this, adopt this religion and you shall receive a good education for your child'!  it's completely illogical.  And, you can't blame parents for opting for faith school, they are better as the church put money into them.

Is this fair?  Is this Legal?

By: Natty


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funkg

funkg

I live in the borough of K&C and for me this is a very interesting but unsubstantiated post
funkg
16th Sep 12 10:42

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holloway

holloway

I agree. I don't really agree with raising your child into a reilgion anyway, but having to go to church to get them a good education is completely unfair. My school isn't even religious, but we get made to go church, as a school, every year leading up to Christmas and Easter. I find it insulting that, at fourteen years old, I don't have a choice about going to church. Science, English and maths are useful in later life, and we need to be taught them-Idon't need to learn about the bible to pass my standard grade.
holloway
8th Apr 12 15:02

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Zyrcona

Zyrcona

I agree entirely. It is disgusting that money provided by taxpayers (who may be any religion or none) gets spent on schools that promote and are affiliated with a particular religion. State education should be neutral. It would be preposterous for the government to introduce, say, Catholic bin collection services, or Buddhist police stations.
Zyrcona
12th Sep 11 11:35

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Big D

Big D

Faith schools are an anathema to social and cultural integration as far as I'm concerned. Those who support them are mostly religious fantatics,bigots or both. Look at how such schools have continued to contribute to ongoing sectarian hatred in the West of Scotland or Northern Ireland if you are not convinced.
Big D
9th Jan 11 18:38

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Tilda

Tilda

The problem isn't with the faith schools, its with the underacheiving state schools down the road. if the state schools were good enough that parents wanted their children to go there then the faith schools could offer a place to anyone they wanted.
Tilda
3rd Dec 10 20:46

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sam

sam

I do not think it is hypocritical for an athiest to send their child to a faith school. My local high school, one which my taxes fund, is a church school. Why should my child be sent down the road to a lesser performing school, just because of my own personal beliefs? Religion is just one aspect of the school. It is a good performer for many reasons, such as the fact that it is an old grammar school, is has a long history of tradition, and it is in an affluent area. It does not get good results just becouse it teaches children about god and any one who thinks that is very naive.
It is a hypocritical sytem that forces parents to make these choices. As far as I am concerned, if a school is funded by a single penny of taxpayers money, then it should accept people of any faith. After all the schools are not fussy about the faiths of of the people that have been taxed to pay for it.
Until religion and education are separated 100%, as I believe they should be, and all schools are non faith schools, it is not a fair playing field for athiests. I do not feel one bit bad about "cheating" the system.
sam
8th Sep 10 22:33

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Jaedon

Jaedon

Disgusting. I'd like to see how long religion lasts if you taught it to 18+ rather than indoctrinating it to your young. Religion would not last a decade if you taught it to your children when they are of age to make their own opinion.
Jaedon
11th Aug 10 13:07

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Gainsborough lad.

Gainsborough lad.

People who pray to and beleive in gods and other imaginary freinds that they have never seen or heard, and only believe in, in my opinion have a screw loose somewhere.
Gainsborough lad.
5th Jul 10 23:36

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LDS

LDS

I agree faith should be kept out of schools full stop!

We have no local non demonational schools in our area so I've had to send my child to a CoE school, which I think is totally unfair! Either create faith schools for each religion and for atheists or make non at all!

Regardless of the faith, you get the good, the bad and the ugly at all schools!!
LDS
5th Jul 10 21:44

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Marie

Marie

Grumpy: Children don’t need to be discriminated against in quality of schools to understand very early on that life isn’t fair. Depriving them of education is just breeding generations of young people (the ones making decisions tomorrow) who will be ill educated to make such decisions and become yobs.
We complain enough about those people on this site!

So what, life isn’t fair, but that’s human nature, so let’s not bother to try and make it a bit fairer and offer the same opportunities to every child?

As for the argument that everybody is different, that pretty much a moot point: yes, everybody is different, even given the same chances. How is denying someone educational opportunities going to change that?
At least parents with lesser financial means can hope their children won’t be in the same situation. I can’t believe anybody would be OK that “better” education should be reserved to the few who were randomly lucky to be born to affluent parents.
It has nothing to do with not teaching your kids that you have to work hard! That’s something that every parents, regardless of their situation, should teach their children. These are life values that parents should be responsible for.

Timelord: You make a very good point.
As much as I disagree with religion having any part in the school system, I can’t really disagree with the fact that, financially speaking, a sponsor would have some say in their business.
I guess what needs to be addressed is the funding of State schools. …Stating the obvious, I know!
I already donate to the local school, but it’s just too isolated to have any real impact. But if there was a non-religious community-based organisation offering regular funding to a school in my area, in the same way as some churches do, I, for one, would be happy to contribute so that children have a better chance (though I don’t have children myself). Maybe that’s a solution?
Marie
5th Jul 10 20:00

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Grumpy xx

Grumpy xx

I don't know what all of the fuss is about. Human nature is just as much about 'supremacy' and 'control' as it is about 'cooperation' and 'fairness.' If that is what adults have to prepare for and endure to make it in life and to prepare for disappointment as well as success surely the best place to start is with education. If you try to standardise all schools, trying to make them all equal, and to iron out discrimination, which does not reflect what these kids will experience in adult life then this has got to be the worst education of all.

Life is unfair. Some kids have it better than others. Some have better start in life, others have to fight for what they achieve, whilst other inherit and do nothing. That's tough; that's life. So if parents can afford or manage to get their kids into the better, selective schools, whether they are faith schools or not, then good luck to them. I certainly would do the same if I had kids. The last thing I'd want is to be indoctrinated into a pantomime set of values that suggests that no kids is better than another, it's not worth trying hard, it's not worth succeeding because, ultimately, everyone is the same and this should be reflected in the quality of eductation and the choice of schools available.

They're not equal. Some have talent, some have no hope in hell of making it in life. Live with it and don't try to presume that it's 'fair' for some no hoper should sit next to a bright talented hard working pupil - all in the name of equality and fairness. The only one being short changed is the one that can provide most for society in later life. And that certainly isn't the 'no hoper' unless he or she manages to pull themselves up by the bootstraps by hard work and initiative. Good luck if they do - but not at the expense of the better placed. That's a very hollow victory for society and it's a very hollow victory for an individual.
Grumpy xx
4th Jul 10 22:38

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Clarite

Clarite

I would have gladly sent my kids to a faith school, the education is better as they tend to have better teachers and the parents are nicer too and want the best for their kids. Unfortunately, I along with many of my neighbours had to apply to the nearest schools to our house hoping to be picked and sent to the best one of the bunch. Even the best comprehensive around here has got enormous problems: kniffing in the park, overcrowded and smelly classrooms (no ventilation), uninterested teachers, etc. Our local faith school does not have any of those problems. Why not? And why not aspiring to send our kids to that school? At the end of the day, the kids will make up their mind if they want to take up faith in their adult life,they can't however re-do their education and all it implies.
Clarite
4th Jul 10 07:39

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Kenny Brunton

Kenny Brunton

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Kenny Brunton
2nd Jul 10 00:37

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arrawn

arrawn

There should be NO RELIGION in any School in the UK,I was taught the Myth of an all powerful GOD when I was in school,why? surely it is the job of the Church to force this Religion rubbish down the throats of people that wish to believe,and it's a Schools job to teach people how to Read and Write,two items sadly lacking in this modern age.
Of course there are always two sides to a coin,the other side is;
If you DO believe in a God and there isn't one - Your OK.
If you DON'T believe in a God and there IS one -You're on your way to HELL.
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1st Jul 10 20:26

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