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Men have no right to reproductive choice

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Would be parents should have equal rights.  If a woman becomes pregnant, she has a right to abortion.  The man has no equivalent right.  If the woman decides to have an abortion, the man cannot stop her.  If the woman decides she wants to be a parent and then keeps the baby, he also cannot stop her.

I agree that a woman has the right to abortion. However, if this is correct, a man should have the right to opt out of fatherhood.

Even if the man has been deceived by a woman telling him she is unable to have children or is using contraception or if she leaves him and takes a new partner, he is still forced to shoulder financial responsibility for that child.  This is the case whether or not he is allowed access - and even when he has not been told that he is the father for a number of years.

Life size model of baby at 8 weeks after conception Women are allowed to withhold access

Neither are the rights of men who do wish to have involvement with their children upheld.  Women are allowed to withhold access rights while still taking child support payments from the man, and the fact that it may be the woman who has opted out of the relationship is not taken into account.

I have set up a site www.didnthaveachoice.com to offer support to men who are being denied reproductive rights by this country's unfair laws.  We welcome members who want to see true equal rights in this difficult matter.  If you want to see true equality and a better, fairer system for men, women, children and the taxpayer, please join and give us your support.

By: Morgaine


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ahforfoulkessake

ahforfoulkessake

"Pay to Lay" classic.
Im a guy and would say if thats the attitude Inglorious is taking then i say give £50 to a cheap hooker very time you feel randy then at least they won't expect you to support them and their kid.
Plus the "pay little to none" is nonsense. If you do live with them and be an active parent then of course you're supporting them financially.
If inglorious knows so much about contraception then i hope she reminds any man she's with before they get down to it if he forgets. Takes two to tango, they say.
ahforfoulkessake
30th May 13 17:04

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Inglorious Bastard

Inglorious Bastard

Accept what is ... understand it... and embrace it.. I think in this day and age men are fully and 100% aware what the outcome is if they misplace a few sperm! So cover up, with a little spermacidal lube... How difficult is this to understand? Complain all you want but its pretty cut and dry. If you as a man donate your sperm in any other way know you will owe about 40% what you make before taxes for the rest of your entire life unless you decide to be an active parent and you will pay little to none. Pay to Lay! That life that you created diserves a fighting chance... My 3 girls would all be dead if it were HIS decision. Ask him today and he would deny it tooth and nail because he can't admit what an absolute ass he was nor can he imagine his life with out his girls! NOT to his actions in any way. Life is not you or mine to give or take. PREVENT yes! When prevention is lacking and life begins. That life's potential, future and well being out weighs everyone and everything! I would lay down my life for my children Now and when I found out I was pregnant for them. Accident or not!
Inglorious Bastard
13th Dec 12 22:53

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Fed Up

Fed Up

Wear a condom, Baby Boy! You have more rights than any woman ever thought of having.
Fed Up
27th May 12 18:46

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Boblet

Boblet

In my experience Andy g. A boy chases a girl until she catch's him. No one can explain it, as for your offspring you have no legal rights whatsoever. Put some money each month into a savings account for him/her so that no one can accuse you of not caring, then maybe one day you will get to meet your child & give him or her a nice present from a decent bloke.
Boblet
19th May 12 18:00

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boo

boo

Google a site called legal beagles - there's info on there about your problem Andrew G.
boo
19th May 12 17:57

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Andrew G (Wales)

Andrew G (Wales)

This is a difficult one but I need some help and have nowhere else to go!!!

Basically my now ex girlfriend is pregnant (4months gone) we split up a month ago, and all of a sudden she won't let me know anything about the baby i.e. (is it a boy/girl, is s/he healthy etc) she wont even let me go to the scans (WHY you may ask IVE BEEN ASKING THAT FOR A MONTH AND A BIT NOW) she gave me no reason for the break-up and just ceased contact entirely. I dont know what i have done to deserve this, and if one more person says its hormones i will go nuts, even with hormones thats just EXTREME. I must be the only 21 year old who actually wants to be a proper dad even though we have split up, however my father left when i was 18 months old and know you need that father figure in your life. She told me i have no input into the baby's first name and she is going to called it her step fathers name. surely i must have some sort of legal right, if im going to be paying CSA and have custody i want the little one to at the minimum have my last name.

PLEASE PLEASE Help i have exhausted all other options and writing on these (forums if you will, seem to be the last resort).

Do I actually have any legal rights or is it only when the child is born that my rights in essence kick-in?
Andrew G (Wales)
19th May 12 17:19

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Eduardo De Ville

Eduardo De Ville

Personally, I think that women should not be allowed to have abortions, unless in cases of rape. That would make the system a lot fairer.

Radical feminists are constantly defending abortion but they then take away the right of a man to be a father and they take away the right of the baby to have a right to life.

If abortion was illegal, it would allow both men and women to have equal responsibility and equal rights.

We understand that women are the ones who have to carry children 'we get it'. However that does not negate the fact radical feminism is the enemy.

I repeat

Radical feminism is the enemy.
Eduardo De Ville
29th Nov 11 15:47

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Freddie

Freddie

The problem with this argument is that there is a different standard applied to males and females across society.
Both sides have to understand that both men and women have an equal responsibility when it comes to contraception. Florida Girl and Tinks' comments make them sound foolish and childish. Women can use protection every bit as easily as men and it is there responsibility to do so. After all, as they keep telling us, it's their body. Well maybe they should respect it more and protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy. I'm not excusing men here. We also have a responsibility to ensure we don't accidentally get people pregnant .
To be totally honest in these days with all the options available you've got to be pretty stupid to get pregnant or cause a pregnancy by accident!
there are striking similarities in the arguments aren't there:-
keep it in your pants = keeps your legs together
use a condom = use a femidom
you could go on forever but, if a couple both choose to have a child they should both have equal rights in the matter. Sure, a woman has to carry the child and a man doesn't! We get that! It's not our fault though so don't use it as a weapon against us!
Freddie
6th May 11 15:11

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Florida Girl

Florida Girl

Well Tinks that "keep it in your pants" can be used against women also.

Since it's our bodies and our responsibility then I say good riddance to all men. I enjoy that power and with power comes responsibility.

IF MEN wanna act like sperm donors then we'll treat them like one!!!

They wanna leave well then, let them. If they can say "your body, your responsibility" then we can say, "Bye bye to you too, b*tch".
Florida Girl
6th May 11 03:05

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Tinks

Tinks

Men do have a choice, they can have theyre bits cut off!! Ive never heard such crap in all of my life, if a man doesnt want to risk pregnancy then dont get it out in the first place! It really is that simple. The reason theres so many single parents is because of people with no morals like yourself encouraging parents to seperate, encouraging men to abandon their children! Thats evil!
Tinks
27th Apr 11 06:10

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Florida Girl

Florida Girl

Well JD if men used condoms or got a vasectomy then their would be no need to support men's rights (male abortion) now would there? You can't tell someone that they shouldn't have responsibilities then turn around and say "you could've worn a condom or something".
Florida Girl
4th Mar 11 01:31

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JD

JD

I support men's rights to opt out of a pregnancy (obviously only when it's a result of fully consensual sex), but there need to be very clear systems put in place to ensure that, for example, the man made sure that contraception was definitely being used, that the woman understood that if the contraception failed (people seem to forget that most methods of contraception have a failure rate) that the man did not want to become a father, etc. Perhaps people need to sign pre-sexual agreements to make sure these things are clear beforehand?
Another way for men to avoid the possibility of this problem is to have a vasectomy (and if he thinks he might want to try to have kids later, he can get some of his sperm frozen). That would be men's safest bet to avoid unwanted fatherhood. (Vasectomies are pretty comparable to abortions, as a procedure to undergo.)
JD
27th Dec 10 09:16

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gt

gt

all you need is a hair the babies to get a private dna test, pay for it yourself and show it to the courts.
gt
10th Dec 10 14:03

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not the dad and she knows it

not the dad and she knows it

I got married on 2nd july 1999, 5 months later my wife told me she was expecting a baby, so we looked at buying a bigger house, one day I got a call from a guy who worked with my wife telling me he had an affair with her and that the baby mighjt be his. My wife admitted this and I stayed with her because I loved her and also the baby MAY have been mine.

We carried on and moved house but our marrige was doomed because of this any many other problems, she mentioned many times during arguments that the baby wasnt mine. We had a daughter by the way she was born on Sept 2000. We separated in Jan 2002 and she let me take my daughter out for the day a weel later, but then she decided that I wasnt to see her on my own and that my only access was to be supervised by her or her family. I told her this was illegal and that I would be taking legal advice on this. I was married at time of birth and was named on birth certificate. When I saw a lawyer she advised my to get a dna test, which my wife agreed to as long as I pay, which I did. But she kept putting it off. Then the csa contacted me out of the blue, in fact she had contacted the csa the next day after we split up, the csa gave my ex wife 28 days to provide dna samples but she continued to put it off. After the csa started taking money from me she called to tell me that I wasnt getting my dna test now (ha ha).

Since then till today at time of writing I have on and off paid her over £5,000 for another mans child, the child is the spitting image of this guy, the csa cant help me and she will never go for a dna test.
not the dad and she knows it
17th Nov 10 14:15

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Jess

Jess

I don't think a man should be able to tell a woman that she can or cannot have an abortion BUT a man who does not want to be a father should not have to be either. It is very sad when women have abortions just to deny a man the chance to be a father but there are always bad people.
Jess
2nd Nov 10 22:28

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