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In this country our bars and clubs rip us off left right and centre with the cost of drinks or admission fees.  To add insult to injury many of these places are now starting to insist on a dress code before you can even get through the door.  If you're going out clubbing you need to think carefully about what you wear or find yourself refused entrance.

In the town where I live we have two weekend late-night drinking establishments. The one most people prefer to frequent is a modern, bright, fairly expensive wine bar with a resident DJ. On a Saturday night people looking for somewhere to continue enjoying their night out start queuing at 10.30 in order to ensure that they gain entrance.

This establishment however, has a rather strict dress code, jeans and trainers not being considered suitable attire.  Several times I have queued up with friends only to have the slightly stroppy bouncer deny entry to some of them for the sin of wearing, shock horror, JEANS and TRAINERS!

No reprieve for white jeans, chinos - denim is denim, whatever the colour

dress code in clubs And there is no reprieve for white jeans, chinos or whatever you like to call them (denim is denim whatever the colour or label) or any trainers that resemble "normal shoes" but are in fact not as they are made of fabric not shiny leather or leather effect plastic.

So what makes this form of dress offensive? I take it that it isnt because the wearer is deemed to poor to drink in the establishment as he can only afford jeans and trainers to wear because everyone knows that a decent pair of jeans and trainers costs quite a lot of money.  Maybe the management assume that the wearing of these items turns the normally mild mannered person into a beer swilling trouble maker who has nothing better to do than start a fight and wreck the establishment.  Most of my friends spend all week working in offices dressed in "proper" trousers and shoes and prefer to spend their weekends in less formal clothes, maybe it is time that bars and nightclubs stopped being so snobby about dress code.


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Petra

"Women just HAVE TO have lots of shoes and handbags. Don't ask why. If your woman wants you to buy her a pair of shoes, consider yourself lucky because a handbag could set you bak by a lot more! "

Not all of us have to have lots of shoes and handbags. I like nice fabrics for my clothes but shoes have never been a big deal for me. I like good quality for "dress" shoes and the rest of the time I go for comfort.

And I buy my own shoes , thank you very much!
31st Oct 13 08:10

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Nick

Good question. Women just HAVE TO have lots of shoes and handbags. Don't ask why. If your woman wants you to buy her a pair of shoes, consider yourself lucky because a handbag could set you bak by a lot more! lol
31st Oct 13 08:10

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baker man

A quick question, but why do women seem to need to own so many pairs of shoes?
There are designer this and designer that, enough to fill a closet. And the irony lies in the fact they only wear a half-dozen or so. For the life of me , I shall never understand the logic (or lack of it) that lies in woman's thought process.
30th Oct 13 07:10

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Jethro

Boblet, Of all the cars you have owned, you must have had one that had an annoying, monotonous,irritating, inconsequential little squeak or rattle that no matter how much you tried to find, just continued to hide in the depths and remained unattainable. In the end you come to the conclusion that ignoring it is the best answer and it eventually died away. How's life buddy.
25th Sep 13 04:09

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Richard 3rd.

All your postings boblet 1077, and all the negative votes you get, mean you are unanimously disliked, shouldn't you call it a day fella? As some astute poster remarked the other day, you seem unhealthily obsessed with bottoms. I 'm sure there are some sites which deal with the king of action you clearly yearn for. This is 2013 sir. No need to remain in that closet a moment longer - come on out and enjoy some botty shenanigans!
25th Sep 13 02:09

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boblet

Great Britain is a Christian counry. we gave up shouting about it. We gave Sunday away to Tesco's etc. We are afraid to mention certain a certain other religion that is trying to take over. They use women folk amongst other things to alter the traditions of our courts & classrooms. Yorkshiremen have given Yorkshire away. What is the next County to go? Thomas
23rd Sep 13 12:09

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Thomas

"similar to the christians giving the GB away"???????????????!????
22nd Sep 13 08:09

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collared office lad

David, know exactly what you mean. I do the same thing - top button undone with my tie still straight with a fat knot trying to cover the undone top button, but my boss often just puts his fingers down the back of my collar and tugs it hard, forcing my tie loose and making it obvious my collar is undone, then literally frogmarched me to his office to do it up! It's a bit embarrassing but I do still try to get away with it undone. Re clubs, I act find the opposite problem than this strand - often when I go out after work in my shirt and tie (of course well loosened up), I regularly get pulled by my collar and tie by guys in tee shirts and the bouncer actually collars me and marches me out! Do you guys have this sort of problem?
22nd Sep 13 01:09

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Carl

Know what you mean, David. I also prefer the freedom of an undone top button, but also prefer the style when done with a good windsor knot.
31st Aug 13 09:08

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boblet

I thought this booring fetish had take its natural cause & the WG was getting back to what it was intended. Griping.
21st Aug 13 11:08

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David

Interesting subject. I work in a bank and wear a suit everyday. I have always dressed very smart. I normally leave my top button undone and tighten my tie up quite tightish covering the button. in a morning you can't tell that my button is undone but sometimes by the afternoon you can tell and just recently have been ordered to fasten it and tighten my tie right up. All the other lads have their collars fastened an where as I'm able to do it up okay, I just prefer that bit of freedom. it becoming a real issue and is rather embarrassing been reprimanded everyday on the work floor
21st Aug 13 02:08

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Miss Anya

Good boy, and I hope you're on call so have to remain in your collar and tie all day long
23rd Nov 12 04:11

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office subordinate

I enjoy being made to wear tightly fitted shirts with a large tight knotted tie, so i'm pristine just as i am asked to be, ready for my boss to inspect me.
11th Nov 12 12:11

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office boss

my subordinate will post, as his collar is always done up, tight starched and as it should be
10th Nov 12 11:11

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LondonR

What a stupid thread this is. Dress codes are for owners and management to decide no one else. Otherwise in theory ill turn up for a clubbing session in my dressing gown or mankini .... extreme but you see why they are in place.

At the end of the day if you want to go in somewhere and they insist on a certain dress code who are you to argue , don't like it buy the bar and do what you like. Until then get a life mate.
19th May 12 01:05

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wandering critic

You whole lot seem rather disturbed. The overly-intense fascination with wearing a tie with one's top collar button undone is unseemly, just wear the damn tie properly or not at all, eh? I can see the point of the malcontents wishing to put this conversation to an end! time to put this thread to rest, right? Go have a pint. Without wearing a tie, tight or loose, for God's sake!
1st Nov 11 01:11

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How loose

Not at Alton Towers. He's at Thorpe Park today.
30th Oct 11 07:10

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Mr Twerpot

Maybe he is in one of the long queues at Alton Towers, hang on a minute I`ll take my tie off and wave it around........................there`s someone waving back......is it Him?
30th Oct 11 04:10

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How loose

'Tis OK Bobby. I'll wait for Adapting to respond.
30th Oct 11 12:10

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Boblet

Adapting might be busy. so tie tie tie tie tie tie tie I will send you a few shirts later you boring twerp.
30th Oct 11 12:10

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How loose

Adapting: you owe me a post... says me, ignoring the riff-raff. haha
30th Oct 11 08:10

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MikeP

Adapting - 28-Oct-11 22:59
"...some might say it takes one to know one.."

What a pointless, meaningless, inane, shallow statement. If you have nothing to contribute, may I suggest you do just that.

Shouldn't you be doing your homework?
29th Oct 11 09:10

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Adapting

"narcissistic" - Mike P
"stupid battymen" - Rasta Mouse
"shirt lifters" - Boblet
...some might say it takes one to know one...
so how do yours' hang'? :)
28th Oct 11 10:10

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Rasta Mouse

Stupid battymen chatting shite, i suggest they both do their tie up really tight, tie it to a high branch of a tree then jump.
28th Oct 11 10:10

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Boblet

Dan, I have tried to make sense of it to, as far as I can tell it is about how loose their @rseholes are, spying rings & adapting shirt lifters, but I may be wrong.
27th Oct 11 03:10

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Silver Dan

How many ways are there to say that you like to loosen your tie?

Wasn't this thread meant to be about strict or snobby dress codes in clubs or bars rather than wearing your tie loosened?

Personally, I would prefer to see someone in clean jeans and trainers than a scruffy and malodorous old suit.
27th Oct 11 03:10

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Stalag 14

I have now read many of the posts on this gripe and can report that they are most probably some sort of spy ring reporting back to their masters, how else can the inane garbage be explained.
It could of course be a sub-species of humanity speaking another language; teenagers.
A job for GCHQ
27th Oct 11 02:10

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MikeP

I spelt narcissistic wrongly, it not being a word I often have cause to use, and here's a definition of narcissism :

inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.

erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.
26th Oct 11 12:10

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MikeP

It's a bunch of pathetic self-obsessed narcisstic little boys indulging their adolescent fantasies. Others have suggested that it be moved to a bulletin board for perverts but they seem to stick around.

Nobody has to read it, but it is a waste of space and quite irritating to see it.
26th Oct 11 09:10

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Stalag 14

Is this some long running joke that I don't get, or are spies talking to each other in secret phrases and passing information on?
26th Oct 11 08:10

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How loose

Good to hear from you. Wedding was good. Weather was decent enough. I took your advice and adapted. I went further than just having my tie tight, I fastened the top button for the wedding ceremony. I got some nice comments about the tie... thanks! Navy pin-stripe suit, smart white shirt and pale blue silk tie.. just the job! Didn't take me too long to unfasten the top button and pull the tie loose, in fact walking from the photos to the reception place the task was accomplished. Walked with another cousin who saw what I was doing and followed suit. In fact a lot of the guys at the reception had loosened, and it looked good.
Your new tie sounds nice. So when will the first time be when you wear it tightly fastened? (You can say 'never'! haha). Not skinny I hope, so that you can still do a decent tie knot?
Mostly now as the weather is getting cooler I am keeping my tie on in the evenings, but very loose. You ask why I don't completely remove my tie on the way home from work... I just appreciate the look and style of a loosened tie when wearing a decent suit and shirt. Can't really explain it. Can you?
Do you have any 'dos' you are going to in the near future when you have to dress ultra-smart?
26th Oct 11 07:10

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Adapting

Great stuff - glad you adapted the look for the interviews with a tight tie and collar. Aside from giving smart vibes, as you say it can make you appreciate pulling on the knot and undoing that top button afterwards.
I bought a new tie at the weekend from Lewin's - light blue with floral pattern - a bit slimmer than my usual ones. I wore it today but loose as I had no formal meetings, and kept it on but looser into the evening.
Do you take your tie off when home to differentiate 'social' and 'business' looks - as at lunchtime - for comfort or both? Any reason you don't undo it on the journey home except that it can look good having a much looser tie with a suit?
How did the wedding go by the way? Did you adapt then and encourage other blokes to go looser after the ceremony?
24th Oct 11 10:10

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Interview went well, and we are employing a new member of my section, so really pleased. In theory it will take pressure off me, but that won't be evident for a while until the person is trained. (You know what it's like!) I must remember to wear a looser fitting shirt round the collar, and not one of my tighter fitting ones! Good to loosen up afterwards, I should say.
Like you, I loosen off down to around second button, so that the benefit is felt. I don't tend to take my tie off until I get home.
Most evenings my tie comes off, unless I just put on a pullover on top, but then the tie may as well come off, as the tie can't be seen above the 'V'
13th Oct 11 01:10

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Adapting

I realised my tie was loose in the meeting and as you say couldn't do anything about it without drawing attention to it. It did mean I didn't need to loosen off afterwards. Glad you'll have your top button fastened for the interviews but like me I guess you'll undo your collar and pull the tie down afterwards.
It's been a loosened tie week in the main - one meeting with the tie tight and top button done up, but otherwise definitely tie hanging loose (and tie off at lunch).
I like loosening off my tie more on the way home too - usually over the second button down - but sometimes I'll take my tie off completely if hot or if I want to adapt the look.
If my tie is still on (but loose) when I get home I'll sometimes keep it on, but loose, if I'm not going out or changing out of work gear. What about you?
12th Oct 11 08:10

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That will be interesting to note.. how many other guys loosen up after the photos. They're having the photos in the grounds where the reception is to be held, so I shall keep a careful watch and report back! So, did you realise that the tie was loosened mid-way through the meeting and could do nothing about it, or afterwards when you came to loosen up you realised that the tie was already loose? I'm also interviewing; I shall have to have my top button fastened and tie tight on Thursday morning - first time for a while. Guess you loosened up directly afterwards? Do you think you'll be in for a 'loosened tie week'?
Ah, tie off at lunchtime, but tie kept on after work whilst travelling home. Not sure why I don't take off my tie on the way back, I guess I like the idea of loosening off more, and if I removed my tie leaving work I wouldn't be able to have it hanging loose! What about you, do you remove your tie straight after work? If not, when do you remove it?
8th Oct 11 07:10

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Adapting

Good stuff, I hope the wedding and trend-setting for other men to loosen (by undoing your top button after the photos) goes well. I don't mind the tight tie and top button done-up but you're right that the loosening off feels good. I'm glad you're still adapting - I wouldn't give up on full tightening sometimes - but it can be 'edgy' to have the loosened tie in a more formal meeting occasionally. It was an accident last week, got so used to being loosened that I forgot to do it up! My tie was last tight with the top button done up on Thursday when I was interviewing, tieless that lunchtime beforehand.
If you're making the distinction between work and leisure does that mean you take your tie off straight after work, or do you let it hang loose on the way back?
8th Oct 11 06:10

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Great to hear from you... been a while. Got al the gear for the wedding now. Will let you know how things went. Pleased about your look in the meeting. Wow, not only were you top button undone, but you went for the loosened tie look too! You've actually gone a further step than me. I haven't gone further than keeping the top button undone, but tightening the tie for meetings. I shall have to do the look next week. I reckon you enjoy the 'loosening off again later' much more than the looking smart... right?
Tending to fall into a pattern these days: tie off at lunch (making the distinction between work and leisure), tie loose at work, and tight for meetings... although I'm going to adopt your look in your last meeting next week. So, two questions: when was the last time you were 'top button done up' and when was the last time you were tieless?
7th Oct 11 06:10

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Adapting

Glad it was helpful. You might want to know that I found myself in a more formal meeting today with my top button undone and tie loosened - the only one like that, the other blokes had tightened ties and done-up collars. I felt a bit naughty but brazened it out and kept it loose for the rest of the day. Might try it again but I still think it's good to tighten the tie and do up the collar sometimes, both to look smart and enjoy loosening off again later. Are you still adapting - tie off at lunch, tight for formal meetings, loose other times?
5th Oct 11 08:10

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Absolutely brilliant advice. Went to TM Lewin on my lunch break, and a light blue silk tie is just the job! Thanks a lot. I owe you one.
Hope you've had a good day today (and worn your shirt and tie suitable for a Friday!). Weairng pale pink shirt, purple/pink/white stripey tie.
9th Sep 11 05:09

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Adapting

Wedding suit and shirt sound good but a tough call about the tie. How about lighter blue, raw silk look? Or blue with pink pattern? But I'm sure your excellent taste will win through. In the morning I sometimes go tieless (put it on at work if needed). Most often I go in with the collar undone and the tie looser than in the day and I pull the tie up a bit in the lift before reaching my desk. As you've gathered, bit of a convert from the noose feel now, even though I can't quite quit conformity and like the tight tie look sometimes.
8th Sep 11 09:09

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Mine isn't seriously slim either. Stores can keep skinny ties... haha. Sure I'll let you know how it goes. The date is October 22nd. Thinking of wearing my navy pin-stripe three piece, white double-cuffed shirt. Not sure about tie. What colour do you suggest? I don't want to wear a tie that looks too businessy, but neither do I want to draw attention to myself. I'll probably buy a new one, but any advice?
Spooky really, but I don't take my tie off either, but loosen it considerably. I guess that's the reward for a decent day's work. In the morning though, I tend to have it at the level I'm wearing it all day. You?
8th Sep 11 09:09

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Adapting

I agree about swerving the four in hand for now. I have a couple of slightly slimmer ties but no seriously slim ones. Glad you'll adapt your look at the wedding - good to show you can be smart as well as rakish. Let us know how it goes.
My meeting was at lunch too so my tie was on all day, but the top button hasn't been done up at all. If I'm wearing a tie I tend not to remove it totally on the way home, but sometime pull it looser so it is around the second button down. How about you?
8th Sep 11 09:09

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Not sure that I'm going to do the FIH in the near future either. I'm also not sure about those small-collared shirts, much prefer the standard collared shirts. However, the small-collared shirt and FIH done with a slimmer tie can work, but I won't be doing it anytime soon I don't think, unless we rock it together! Have you got any slimmer ties. I bought one last weekend, but still wear it 'windsored'. It doesn't make quite so large a knot, but looks OK with the top button undone and tie a little loose.
Thanks for your advice for the wedding. I will take it, and be done up for the wedding/photos and then straightaway loosen up.
OUr meeting overran to lunchtime, so today was the only time for a while where I didn't take my tie off. I ran to Pret a Manger, grabbed a sandwich with my tie loosened and stayed like that for the afternoon. You still take yours off at lunchtime? What about on the way home, do you remove it then too?
8th Sep 11 09:09

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Adapting

Thanks. Yes I think words would have been had if the tie had slipped noticeably. I tried the Four in Hand last week, pulled down noticeably with the top button undone as you advised. I thought that perhaps it is a bit too louche for work, and I'd need to get a new, slimmer (not skinny) tie and small-collared shirt to make it work. I think I'll stick to the windsor like you.
Re. wedding - I'd be tempted to go top button done up and tie tight initially, then be among the first to loosen off after the photos, and do it noticeably so other blokes feel free to hang looser too. I think the loose tie at a wedding look can rock. Did you take your tie off at lunch today or keep it on but loose after the meeting?
8th Sep 11 08:09

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Agreed that the downside is having to check the tie knot occasionally when in a meeting if you are keeping your top button undone. So, no comments made. Would there have been if your tie had slipped noticeably? Perhaps not in the meeting, but would something have been said to you afterwards? Nice look, like the white shirt and blue tie look. I wear that often with various white shirts and various blue ties. Have you rocked the four-in-hand knot yet? I must admit I haven't... probably can't get out of the habit of wearing a windsor.
Question for you: I've got a family wedding (cousin) in October. Obviously wearing a suit/shirt/tie. Would you go top button undone and tie pulled over (just having the collar slightly wider for style/comfort) or would you go top button done up and perhaps loosen a bit for the reception. I'm wondering, as I would really like to go top button undone and just keep the tie pulled over (similar to your meeting today).
8th Sep 11 08:09

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Adapting

Hello. Yes, I wore a tie all day with the top button undone all day - including the meeting. White shirt and blue striped tie. I followed your advice and just pulled the tie over the undone collar. It felt rather naughty and occasionally I felt the knot to make sure it was up over the button. That need to check is a downside with going undone, and I don't worry about the tie slipping if I've got the top button done up so. But I don't think anyone noticed I was undone at the top and it was quicker to loosen off the tie afterwards. Well done on doing the tie and top button up. Apart from feeling a bit constricting did it feel OK? Keep adapting!
8th Sep 11 07:09

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Howdy! How went it today? Did you have the noose round your neck today? Had a management meeting late this morning, and was suitably attired. Had a white M&S shirt on, burgundy tie and charcoal pin-stripe. Did up top button for the meeting, but before and afterwards was loosened. Was a bit surprised that it felt particularly tight when I did up the top button, but I realised that it was 0.5 inch smaller than my other shirts. Colleagues were a bit bemused by the squeaky voice by the end of my presentation!!
8th Sep 11 05:09

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Adapting

Tieless all day today, but don't worry it'll be back on but loose tomorrow! Might try to brazen a meeting loose too, even though tight is the norm. Aside from rebelliousness there was a bit of embarrassment as you say - tried not to fiddle with the tie as it would draw attention to it - but felt a bit self conscious that I'd loosened my tie and undone the top button in work. As you say I'd had it loose a bit after work in the heat but not all weathers until last year.
7th Sep 11 09:09

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Thought you'd disappeared, not hearing from you for a week! You went tieless today, all day or after lunch you didn't put your tie back on. Don't make that the norm, as you and I have sussed what we're doing: tie loose at work, off at lunch times and tight for meetings!! Haha. Reason I asked you the question if that it's only in the last couple of years I've started wearing my top button undone at work. Like you it was driven by a few hot days in 2009 and after work loosening up a little. It was after doing that for a few days that I decided to carry that forward at work too. Never looked back. You say you felt more liberated and a bit rebellious ar first, was there also a sense of embarrassment and fiddling with the collar for a day or two?
7th Sep 11 08:09

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Excellent - I agree there's little point in leaving the button undone if it doesn't look a bit rakish and feel more comfortable. Yes I'm still taking my tie off at lunchtime. In fact I went tieless today for a change, having worn a loose tie the last couple of days. I can't remember the exact date I had my top button undone with a tie - I had done it a bit before after work when hot for a couple of years. But last year I started wearing it loose at work too. I felt more liberated and a bit rebellious at first, but got used to it, and find the top button too 'starchy' now for most occasions. Have you always worn your tie loose or did you also wear it tight years ago? Glad you're adapting your look more now by taking your tie off sometimes.
7th Sep 11 08:09

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Nope, we wear our shirts and ties the same. The two parts of the collar are separated. Prefer it that way than having any overlap or even worse having the half where the button hole is exactly over the button, undone. Really pleased about the top button being undone all morning. Are you still taking your tie off at lunchtime.
You sound much happier comparing 2011 with 2010. Were you only ever 'top button done up' last year? Can you remember when it was exactly when you FIRST had your top button undone with a tie, and how you felt?
31st Aug 11 09:08

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Thanks - will give the rakish tie look a go tomorrow, noticeably undone. Won't be much different to usual as I think I wear my tie a bit looser than you normally - can see a gap between the two parts of my collars normally rather than just under the top button. I don't wear skinny ties as you guess. I don't think think they suit a work context (with a suit!), though recognise that's a personal opinion. This morning put the tie on at work, but loose as you say. I only did the top button up after lunch for the meeting - you're right I've given up on wearing the top button done up in the office almost all the time now. Big change from just a year or so ago, encouraged by the likes of you and many others freeing us from the noose!
31st Aug 11 09:08

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The parenthesised last sentence should read (Can't imagine you went all morning and lunchtime with your top button done up though!)
31st Aug 11 09:08

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Disappointed you did up your top button for the meetings, though glad you undid as soon afterwards as you could (like walking out the door!!) I can't see changing from the windsor in the near future. Try it and let me know as it may mean that I may think again. At a push I would say that the slimmer ties look better with a FIH than the more normal width ties that you and I wear more often than not and I would go so far to say that - yes - the slim tie can look good with a FIH (did I really say that?), although I would still say the symmetrical look is the better look. The more raksih angle of the FIH would look OK with the top button undone... try it with the tie about half an inch down so that's it's noticeably undone. For the windsor knot I prefer the tie to be just under the undone top button. I don't think I would ever wear a skinny tie, would you? So.... this morning, when did you put your tie on? At work? Just before you got to work? Did you leave your top button undone until just prior to the meeting or did you do up your top button when you got to work knowing you had a meeting this afternoon. (Can't imagine you went all morning and lunchtime with your top button undone though!)
31st Aug 11 08:08

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Great stuff. I was open neck/no tie this morning into work. I had a formal meeting this afternoon so put my tie on and did up my top button. It felt quite restrictive though, having had my tie looser and collar more relaxed in the office much more lately - I loosened off the tie and undid that top button as soon as I could afterwards! Glad you think the windsor is still acceptable. I think I've noticed more four-in-hand knots and slimmer (but not skinny) ties around the place. Not sure how that would work with an undone top button. Might try it tomorrow as I've no significant meetings so I could get away with a slightly different (less smart?) look. If I don't like it I can always change back to the windsor after taking my tie off at lunchtime.
31st Aug 11 08:08

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Glad you're still around.. Tie in the office, loose. Tie-off at lunchtime. Top button done up for meetings and a funeral I attended a couple of weeks ago. Glad you're less open-necked (which I presume you mean tie-less, not more of the done up top button!?) I wouldn't say the windsor knot is less in vogue, still see it worn a lot. Although the slim ties are creeping in. You saying we ought to change out tie knot?
30th Aug 11 07:08

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Yes How Loose. How's it going? Still adapting the look - tieless, loosened tie and done-up collar on formal occasions? Hope so. I am but less open neck recently, more your trademark windsor tie and undone top button. Windsor knot seems less in vogue these days - more smaller knot and thinner ties. Worth trying?
30th Aug 11 07:08

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You still around around, Adapting? Just wondering
29th Aug 11 08:08

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stuarts8

I like Lilac and Mauves and Blues for myelf.
I often wear French cuff shirts and cufflinks with Chinos and NO Tie.
Shirts, do you roll your sleeves up at work?
9th Aug 11 07:08

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Shirts

Not bad to wear button cuffed shirts, Suitsme, but I wear cufflinked shirts for work and button cuffs for casual. So long as you wear long-sleeved shirts with a tie!

What colour shirts do you like?
8th Aug 11 10:08

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Suitsme

Hello stuarts8, been away for a few days so didn't see your post.
Honestly can't remember which shirt I had on that day - some have button cuffs - is that bad?
I would usually pocket cufflinks rather than risk losing them by leaving them undone and rolled up with the sleeve.
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Suits me, Thats certainly Good driving gear and comfortable too. Did you remove your cufflinks when you rolled your sleeves up?
26th Jul 11 05:07

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It's Friday yet again had another early dart - on the road today and on my own. Just spent a cool half-hour at Warwick Services (M40), sitting outside watching the world. Lookin' good in the almost best suit and feelin' good with the sleeves rolled up, tie down, collar open. Good driving gear, yes? Home in an hour or so.
22nd Jul 11 06:07

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I didnt mind Les Dennis but i thought Bob Monkhouse seemed like a jolly decent fellow, btw is Max Bygraves still alive?
17th Jul 11 09:07

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Sartotrial perfection... hope that was a windsor tie knot, spread collared double-cuffed shirts and suits.
17th Jul 11 05:07

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We stayed as we were and told the bar boy to eff off (using vocabulary more in keeping with the environment, of course). We were attending an important meeting immediately afterwards so saw no need to spoil our sartorial perfection(!) to satisfy the whims of a hostelry's hired help.

We should have called in on the way back from the meeting because it was very hot in the afternoon and being Friday we didn't need to go back to base so our ties got loosened. Even in that state, with our top buttons undone, we looked smarter than that bar lad
17th Jul 11 04:07

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What did you and your colleagues do Suitsme - loosen, remove or keep your ties tight? I've not known a barman be off-hand about men wearing suits and fully done-up ties. You clearly made an impression on him just by being smart.
16th Jul 11 10:07

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Another twist I went out the other day to a country pub. I donned my high-heeled wellies, pink & green shell suit, matching tie with dimpled Windsor knot, the barmaid said I looked a right twat. Was it the tie?
16th Jul 11 03:07

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So here's a twist on the original gripe. Went to a country pub today with a couple of colleagues, all suited and booted. The young lad behind the bar looked as us in a not-too-polite way, took our order, and asked us to take a seat and he'd bring the order to us. When it arrived, one of us asked him if there was a problem and he said he was suprised at us looking so smart. When we asked what he meant, he said we should take off or loosen our ties so as not to make the place look too posh.
15th Jul 11 04:07

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We appear to have both helped each other. And we also appear to agree 100% with each other in how we shall wear our ties going forward. Great to chat with you.
14th Jul 11 08:07

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Top stuff! Glad you tried the tight tie and top button done up - not so bad for the very formal times is it? Yes agreed, three looks adapted for different occasions as you say.
In the end kept the tie on - but loose - all day, inspired by your championing of the tie worn in a rakish way. Thanks for the complements and tips. I'll probably go tieless into work and poss lunchtime tomorrow, but have a loose tie in the office and for 'normal' meetings. Keep adapting!
13th Jul 11 10:07

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Well, much against my earlier comments I did attend the AGM with my top button done up. Very different for me. I guess that nobody would have actually noticed the difference, apart from on close inspection seeing that the collar was just slightly more closed than when I have attended meetings in the past. I was pretty comfortable, and only a couple of times towards the end (2 hours) did I really know that my top button was done up. At that point if I hadn't been in company, I would have probably loosened. However, I stuck it out.
I think what it's taught me is exactly what you have taught and inspired me to do the past few weeks.. there is another way. For important meetings, AGMs, EGMs, I will be ultra smart, for normal meetings and work I shall continue to wear my tie with my top button open and either wear it with the tie pushed up (for meetings) or looser (for normal work activities). I also shall continue to take my tie off at lunchtime, as I want to make a distinction between work and break. I shall re-tie for the afternoons, not least because it's dresscode!!!
So, are we now agreeing that there are three ways? I would hope that you perhaps would adopt the 'wear a tie in the office' look and 'take it off at lunchtime' look. Did you wear it this afternoon, or as you said you were going to did you remain tieless?

Just to make a comment on your 'looks' yesterday (your final paragraph of your last post).. perfect in every sense. You pitched it correct.. the tieless look, the loose look and the even looser look.
13th Jul 11 06:07

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Very impressed - great adapting! It's good to take the tie off sometimes isn't it? And I'd be interested to know how it goes with the top button tomorrow at the meeting - good for trying it done up.
Yes I did a windsor knot so the undone top button didn't really show, but I think I was the only one without the top button done up. You're right, I did check the tie a couple of times but didn't want to draw too much attention to it. I'll try it again but suspect I'll feel a bit self-conscious/rebellious however hidden the top button might be.
I went to work tieless this morning then put the tie on in the office but loose, and didn't do it up all day. I pulled the tie down more on the way back home, so it was hanging pretty loose by the end of the day. That's thanks in no small part to your encouragement. I think l'll go tieless at lunchtime tomorrow and keep it off in the afternoon just to keep mixing it up and keep resisting the fully-tightened tie of yesteryear.
12th Jul 11 09:07

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And yes.. two lunchtimes taking my tie off. You impressed, or what?
12th Jul 11 05:07

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Great news. Understandable you felt rebellious, though was there anyone else similarly dressed; i.e. top button undone and tie pushed up? Were you forever making sure your knot hadn't slipped down? I know I was the first time I was like that in a meeting. It does take away the phaff of doing the top button up and then undoing the top button after a meeting. Did you have a fairly largish knot so that the undone button was well hidden?
One of my colleagues recently told me that going top button undone takes the strain off the collar and the collar and tie actually sit far better and the tie is less likely to slip. I've seen some guys whose done-up collar is quite tight and the tie slips down a good inch or two and feel like saying to them, undo the collar, pull the tie up and the tie won't slip.

I can be persuaded to do my top button up: in fact I'm at a meeting again tomorrow afternoon and will try that look. I'm not sure about it though, but will report back. What have you been wearing at work today?
12th Jul 11 05:07

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Yes seems we do agree on almost everything. Burgundy tie sounds stylish. Today I followed your advice and went to a formal meeting with my top button undone but tie pushed up. I felt more comfortable - and it meant less adjustment as I just loosened the tie again after the meeting - but it also felt a bit too rebellious so I'm not sure I can completely stop doing the top-button up. How about you - did you go open-neck today in the lunchtime heat or after work? Can you be persuaded to try doing the top button up on formal occasions, or is that where we don't quite totally agree?
11th Jul 11 09:07

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OK. I surrender. We agree on almost everything. For me, substitute the light blue tie for a burgundy and all the rest of the outfit / style / interest is perfectly the same for me.
9th Jul 11 04:07

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Good solution to the unknotted tie around the short collar. I think probably the ideal is dark grey suit, white shirt, light blue tie. While going open-neck with no tie is cooler in the heat and most comfortable, a loosened tie and open top button probably just shades it for style as you say. Top button closed and tight tie is now my lowest preference - for comfort and interest - but still needed for very formal occasions I think.
8th Jul 11 10:07

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So you see, for me, having the top button of the shirt open is just as much about style/presentation as comfort. I can see your point about the tie flapping in the wind if it is not knotted and just around the neck/shirt collar... however, with a suit jacket on, you're able to tuck the two ends under the jacket. I can see your point of view though, open-necked shirt... keep the tie out of it!
What would be your ideal suit/shirt/tie (colour, style) and what would be your ideal way of wearing the outfit (top button closed.../...open etc)?
7th Jul 11 09:07

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Good point about the look of the opened collar and loosened tie (to show the full width of the windsor knot), and definitely agree about not being restrictive/comfort with a tight tie and top button done up. I tend not to wear an undone tie under the collar as if preparing to do the knot - I like the completely open-neck and no-tie look if having no knot, and in the wind the undone tie can flap around annoyingly. But I have done it occasionally, and think it is a good adaptation of look from the tied-but-loose tie.
7th Jul 11 07:07

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Agreed. The loosened tie (down to the second button) is a good move, but also undoing the tie completely and having it under the collar around the sides and the back as if preparing to tie the knot, but having it loose. I sometimes 'do' that particular look on the way to work too. You?
In an earlier post you commented on my pet hate, that of the top button done up and the tie tight. Yes, you're mostly right. It is too restrictive and too uncomfortable. However, another thing that I take into consideration is that I actually like the style of a windsor knotted tie, and the tie just a little bit loose. It actually opens up the look and ensures that the top part of the tie (the broadest part) does not get 'lost' under the collar wings.
6th Jul 11 08:07

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Thanks - likewise, it has been good to have your encouragement to mostly keep the tie loose after I was back-sliding a bit to tight collars despite been told by a couple of the guys in a previous office to go loose. Glad you're enjoying going tieless sometimes during the working day if not in the office. I agree that's a good move in the real heat at lunch, or at least slackening it off much more (to the second shirt button down/more) or maybe even wearing it undone around the neck with the ends hanging loose.
6th Jul 11 07:07

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Strictness has certainly subsided in the past three years. We can now get away with having our shirt top buttons open and our ties a little loose (not scruffily so). What they are strict about is that ties should be worn at all times. You see a lot of the guys travel in without ties and then putting them on as soon as they get in / removing them when/if they go our for lunch break / and then retieing them for the afternoons / then immediately leaving the office taking them off. Joining this elite group myself on occasions, when the weather is particularly hot. You've 'adapted' your look really well, and I've no doubt gained from you.. so thanks!
6th Jul 11 07:07

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Nice one How Loose - glad you're going with an open neck more. Seems really strict at your place. How do you get away with a loosened tie and top button undone? Do any of the other guys go loose in your office? Yeah, we do seem to think similarly now. A couple of years' ago I'd have been wearing the tie fully done up almost all the time - your pet hate (because it is too tight and restrictive?). But now its loose so much the top button is rarely done up except to be very smart/formal. I wouldn't want to stop wearing ties altogether as they do add something to the suit look, and it can feel good to loosen them through the day. The trend for men to not wearing ties seems to keep growing though. I think its quite a good look and more comfortable around the neck as you say. Feel for you too Kevin in the heat - sounds like a nightmare.
5th Jul 11 10:07

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Feel for you, Kevin. I would have thought that Spain may have been a little more relaxed. Did you used to wear your tie a little loose in England? I can understand that working in an air-conditioned office then keeping a jacket on may not be too difficult... sometimes it can be on the cooler side, but glad you saw sense to remove it and loosen up a bit when you went out to lunch. Hide the undone top button under the tie, that's the answer!
3rd Jul 11 07:07

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Hi everyone.Just moved to south spain to work for my company and couldnt believe the strict dress code that was in place. The temp out here is in the mid 30's and our office has limited air conditioning.the first morning here I was told to keep my suit jacket on at all times,which was okay til I went out to lunch and got a total sweat on. I barely loosened my tie half an inch when i got back,and within five mins the boss came over and told me to sort my tie out! He wants me to where it really tight.Its punishment! Wish I was back in england!!!!
3rd Jul 11 03:07

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Good to chat. Not a chance of going tieless in the office. Dresscode is strict on 'ties must be worn'. Apparently there used to be a policy of 'only solid colour shirts should be worn', but that has been dropped. You and I share very similar views, probably the difference being that you would prefer not to wear a tie at all? I don't mind the 'noose' (as you call it). I think it looks smart and being the central part of the outfit is the first thing noticed on a guy. Yes, I am going open-necked more and more at lunchtime and after work and like the look and also the feel of not having the shirt collar around my neck tightly, but have no problem wearing a tie during office hours. Wearing a tie with the top button done up would be my pet hate.
2nd Jul 11 07:07

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I've ditched the tie in the office as well as lunch sometimes, but also wear a tie (almost always loosened) some days. Glad you're coming round to the open neck look and feel a bit more. Could you go tieless in the office do you think - any others do it where you work? As a champion for ties not being tightly tied it'd be the next step, and summer's probably the time to chance it. Isn't it liberating not having to wear the noose so much these days and not as tightly?
1st Jul 11 10:07

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DItched the tie during working hours, or during lunch breaks? During work my tie has stayed on, but probably loosened more. I like the open-necked look and feel during lunchtime.. think I may go for that during the summer. I put my tie on after lunch again though, so at work I've got my tie on. You still keeping your options open? Still sometimes going open-necked and other times wearing a tie? What about doing your top button up... is that not done now?
30th Jun 11 08:06

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Office Guy - Why are you embarrassed to wear your top button undone and your tie loose? Especially if others avoid the "fully done up" look in your office? As How Loose says, it is definitely the look and need in the heat if you have to wear a tie at all. So many people seem to be doing it, or ditching the tie altogether, that it seems the new norm. Have had people suggest I loosen my tie before but left to do it myself - although nowadays I wear a tie fully tight with the top button done up much less often so less likely to be told to loosen up. Glad you took your tie off How Loose over lunch - did you like being open necked and have you repeated? Have made the most of the hot weather to ditch the tie a few days this week myself.
30th Jun 11 08:06

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Office Guy. I had a problem like yours. There was a joker in the office who used to find it amusing to loosen my tie and undo my top button when I had my hands full or was on the phone taking a note. He was always going on at me to 'loosen up' but I prefer to keep my tie done up properly. It was a case of beat him or join him so I decided to beat him. I put on a shirt with a double button tab collar, the tab fastened by a little button. He tried to get all this undone to embarrass me in front of some of other guys but it took him so long that they started jeering at him. He's left me alone since then.
29th Jun 11 04:06

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When he straightened you up did he also do up your top button? I got told by my boss to tighten my tie as it was at a similarly loose. I did for a while, but it was so hot that I soon pulled my tie loose again. You've got to risk it when it's so hot. What tie knot do you use? Tie a windor and hide the undone top button under the tie knot. Seems like a good option during this hot spell. Just keep your top button undone...
27th Jun 11 06:06

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Been so hot today, had to have my top button undone and loosen my tie (down to the 2nd button). Always getting told off by the boss for not doing my collar up, but today cos I was looser than usual, he just yanked me out of the chair by the back of my collar and then swung me round and straightened me up. Not sure whether to risk undoing it again (at lunch now so rebeliously loosed up again!). Any one else have this trouble, and any advice on how to 'get away' with the top button undone?
27th Jun 11 01:06

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Hey Office Guy... I think I would take the hint and come into work with your top button undone. It's the best way, believe me.
16th Jun 11 05:06

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I was looking at the posts on this site most seem to endorse wearing their shirt an tie with top button undone. I personally believe that this was always a scruffy look. I have been off work with a broken arm and a leg following an accident in jan. I bought new shirts in December for my work now being off I have put on a bit of weight and the collars are now to tight , so I am having to wear them with th ecollar button undone and have felt that I amybe looked scruffy reading this kind of makes me feel like it not so I HAVE PUT THIS ON ANOTHER TREAD BUT SAW Y
16th Jun 11 04:06

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Have always felt self conscious about loosening my tie at work. Others have been on at me for a while to loosen up but have always held back. Was really hot in office yesterday and two guys came over. Has taken off my jacket but was still tight with top button fastened. They kept going on at me and suddenly one guy held my arms down and the other loosened my tie and undid my top button. Have to say it felt more comfortable but did feel a bit embarrassed. Have come in tight again today. Don't know if they'll do it again. Have you any stories like this one where guys have had their ties loosened for them ?
16th Jun 11 12:06

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Hey Adapting.... long time... It was particularly warm yesterday in London, so decided for the 45 mins to take my tie off. (You're right, can't remember doing it before). Glad to hear you're going more loose, hopefully not too many times tieless though! Are you still in the throes of adapting, or do you now have your particular style? What are you now doing for formal meetings; are you just pulling up your tie, or are you stilling 'top button done up'?
15th Jun 11 07:06

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Definitely loose or tie off in the hot weather whenever possible, as it is too stuffy otherwise. Is it a bit of a departure taking your tie off at lunchtime How Loose - you seemed to advocate wearing a tie but loose when I was 'adapting' to going open neck and tieless? I suspect colleagues can be encouraged to loosen or take ties off by what others do. I've been going more loose/tieless because more people in offices are doing so now, whereas I used to have the top button fastened and tie tight when ties were worn more often/formally.
14th Jun 11 10:06

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Never have my top button done up, so am having my tie slightly looser, especially today as it's been a lovely day. I took my tie off when I went out at lunch time and then put it back on again for the afternoon. What are you doing, Office Guy?
14th Jun 11 06:06

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How are you all finding it in this hot weather. Staying tight with top button fastened ? Tie on or off ? Do any of you encourage colleagues to loosen their ties and undo their top buttons or even take their ties off ?
14th Jun 11 12:06

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Had a semi-formal meeting today so wore a tie but didn't do the top button up as it is definitely cooler in this warm weather. Now almost never wear collar fully buttoned-up, although business custom means likely to have the shirt and tie fully done-up for the most formal occasions. With no significant meetings and more warm weather tomorrow is likely to be a no-tie day, albeit with a tie on hand in case needed. More guys in the office are starting to wear their ties loose or going open-neck except for meetings.
23rd May 11 09:05

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Yes, I was at A function the other night , had a tie on fully done up with the top Button Fastened and the Friend I was sitting next to suggested I loosen off my tie which I duly did and it was much more comfortable . As it was also quite hot I undid the cufflinks (Leaving them in the cuffs ) and rolled the sleeves up. Certainly much More comfortable in what was a very hot room.
23rd May 11 02:05

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Sounds good to me, adapting. Glad you're coming round to my way of thinking! Now...I suggest for meetings that you simply pull the tie up to cover the undone top button. How are you? Haven't heard from you for a while.
22nd May 11 01:05

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Yes I wear cuff links and French cuffs but I don't roll the sleeves up. A looser tie and open collar - or no tie at all - is the way I keep cooler in the warmer weather, unless attending a formal meeting in which case the top button is usually done up. Trying to limit doing the top button and tie fully up though as the slightly loosened tie is a bit more comfortable.
21st May 11 08:05

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Do any of you guys wear cufflinks with your shirts? Also if you wear French cuff shirts , do you ever roll the sleeves Up and if you do , do you remove the cufflinks or leave them in?
Thanks
13th May 11 10:05

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Lots of guys I travel in with on the train don't have their ties on. I always do. So it seems that the morning look is top button done up and from lunchtime onwards it's top button undone.
What colour / style shirts do you wear? Do you wear slim ties?
13th May 11 05:05

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I travel in with my tie on, properly tied and top button done up. Loosened, unbuttoned on the way home
13th May 11 03:05

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So, Dave, what's your routine for the day: you travel in with your tie a little loose or with no tie on, just an open-necked shirt and suit?
12th May 11 08:05

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HL - I don't mind wearing my tie done up properly some of the time. In fact I think this looks better and more professional in the office.
12th May 11 10:05

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Dave: can you answer me as to why you start off the day with your tie tight and top button fastened?
10th May 11 05:05

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I work in a fairly conventional office too. My last job I did not have to wear a tie so it has taken some getting used to having one on every day. I was worried at first about loosening up and undoing my top button because no one else seemed to. Most days I do this, although I always start off with a tight knot and the button fastened. I haven't had any adverse comments although I have noticed a couple of other guys have followed my lead. I don't loosen much - just half an inch or so so the collar does not open up too much.
10th May 11 05:05

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Sympathise with you, Office Guy. I work in a law firm, open plan office where clients walk through for meeting with the solicitors. We have to keep the partnership's "smart" image and stay done-up too. We often end up having lunch at the desk, so no chance to loosen up in work, only afterwards on the way home. At least its the same for everyone, including the younger solicitors. But a couple of them loosen their ties once the last client leaves at night or if working late.
9th May 11 04:05

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Hey Adapting! How are you doing? Are you still in the 'adapting' stage with how you wear your shirt and tie, or have you settled on a style that you are keeping to? I hope that you are wearing a tie more often (if not all of the time) to work these days. Are you keeping your top button open more too from early morning, or still keeping it fastened most of the time?
Office Guy: I would say just be brave and loosen up. You will feel more comfortable.
8th May 11 03:05

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Can you undo the top button but keep tie up so looks like the shirt is done-up? Surely that would be allowed? If not, maybe buy a shirt half a size bigger to give yourself more breathing space even when the top button is fastened - but not too much bigger or it will look odd. How Loose's advice to go open-neck on the way to work the morning is good - start the day cool and comfortable. Then at lunch and after work can loosen the tie and undo that top button.
7th May 11 09:05

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How are you guys finding things in this hot weather ? We have to wear out top buttons fastened, Do you ? When do you loosen your ties then ? Dying to loosen mine now - collar is really tight.
Any suggestions ?
6th May 11 10:05

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Not massive, no, but decent size. LOL, no not an estate agent... an accountant. You should try it. What tie knot do you use? If you use the assymetrical four-in-hand knot the knot would be far smaller than the symmetrical windsor.

What about shirts? Do you wear plain coloured shirts?
21st Mar 11 05:03

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So you never fasten your collar? I must only assume that you do a massive tie knot, are you an estate agent? Yes when I undoe my collar it is to loosen my tie, but mostly in the office I tend to keep my top button fastened unless it is warm or I am stressed
21st Mar 11 10:03

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I wear spread collared shirts (not cutaways) and still find that with a windsor it's likely to hide.

So, is your tie loose? Even though I wear my top button open, I keep my tie tight. The only difference is that the collar wings are slightly wider apart.
17th Mar 11 06:03

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I see would not wearing a spread collar shirt mean that the tie knot would be visible. I am sitting here now with my top button undone after work now so that is fro comfort not sure it is for the office though
17th Mar 11 06:03

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I just prefer the style. See, I wear a windsor tie knot and if I were to have the top button closed then apart from the central part of the tie knot the rest would get hidden under the shirt collar wings. So I find that if I keep the top button open and put the tie in place and then just gently prise the collar apart so that all of the tie can be seen, then that is the style I prefer.

It's not comfort for me, as I can comfortably do up my top button, just for style.
17th Mar 11 05:03

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I do not see the big deal with wearing your tie witht he top button fastened, if you can't do it comfortable then you have bought the wrong sized collar. Yes we all undo our top buttons outside of work but what is the deal with having to have it unfastned all of the time, do you not think thta you look like you dressed in a hurry or are a rebelling school boy?
17th Mar 11 01:03

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I would have thought with coffee, it would have been impossible! LOL Unless of course wearing a clip-on tie. You into those? Don't say 'yes', please! As I get into London really early in the morning, like 6.45, the coffee bars aren't open until 7 am, so I can just stuff the Metro in my bag. I normally will tie mine at work. I guess I shall just have to accept that 'variety is the spice of life' for you, i.e. top button done up, tie slightly loose and no tie at all. What I meant was that in the morning I travel with no tie, but after work my tie is on, but looser.... sometimes much looser. With scarves being worn less and less on the early morning commute, some guys are now doing up their ties on the train. Interesting seeing the various styles.
6th Mar 11 06:03

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Isn't it tricky to do a tie up while walking - if carrying a bag, coffee, newspaper? Makes the tie more hassle I'd have thought than if not worn at all, or tied at home or at the office. Yes I think it is still more relaxing without a tie, but have been wearing ties the last few days due to meetings - sometimes slightly loosened, sometimes top button done up too. Suspect I'll keep varying for now. Just out of interest, you say more guys travel without a tie on, including yourself. So do you take your tie off to travel home or keep it on but loose?
4th Mar 11 10:03

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Just don't do it up at all, there is no need. More and more guys (me included) are travelling sans tie and a few of them are putting them on arriving at the train station. I tend to put mine on either when at work or walking to work. Good that you wear plain shirts.. me too. I think a sharp white, pale blue, pale pink shirt (double-cuffed) looks good. I find that with plain shirts you've got far more choice of tie style. Do you have a 'dress down' day Fridays? We don't, but I find that's when the colourful shirts come out! OK, same question again... sorry. If you take your tie off at lunchtime after having it on in the mornings, you said that you do for comfort's sake. You still feel that it's more relaxing without than with a tie. I guess you're still finding the weight of the tie is cumbersome. Do you feel that there will come a time when you will completely go without a tie, go back to wearing a tie everyday, or will prefer to continue as you are now, ie, some days with and some days without?
14th Feb 11 05:02

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If going for 'no tie' then tend to leave for work with open neck shirt, but put a tie in a suit pocket just in case a meeting arises. Occasionally leave with tie on and top button undone, then remove the tie at lunchtime and don't put it back on for comfort's sake. Can't remember the last time I left the house with the top button done up though - do it nearer the time it merits and enjoy a relaxed look when traveling. Tend to stick with plain shirts even if wearing no tie. I know patterns can be seen as better if going open neck, but it seems a hassle and almost like an 'apology' for not wearing a tie when it may be better to make the 'no tie' statement and not try to disguise it.
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A suit length of Navy blue tonic mohair of the docks, made into a 3 piece drape suit with a one piece back, covered buttons, shawl lapels, waistcoat also with shawl lapels & covered buttons, 16inch bottomed trousers with narrow turnups, white cutaway shirt, crochet navy blue tie, yellow wool socks, black suede shoes & off to the Grafton. I went into a Witherspoons wearing a Lacoste cardigan the other week, that was concidered a mistake so dont wear Lacoste.
12th Feb 11 01:02

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When 'no tie' is that because you have chosen to wear just suit and open-necked shirt from home, or you have started out with a tie from home and have taken it off in the office? On those occasions have you chosen to wear a more patterned shirt than one you would wear with a tie? Just curious as to the outfit / mood for the day when you are sans tie. Aha, yes, for meetings or with top managers the 'tightened tie but leaving the top button open' would be the look. You ask why the tie should be tightened leaving the top button open, as opposed to doing up the top button.... the look is there (ie smart look) but the style I find is slightly better with the top button undone. (Secondarily, it's slightly more comfortable). Yes, the fully loosened tie (probably the tie being slightly more than midway between top and second shirt buttons) is a good look tie - a kind of Friday afternoon look.
11th Feb 11 09:02

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Still keeping the variety, but loose windsor knotted tie or no tie are the looks most of the time in roughly equal proportions. Rarer that the top button is done up all day now, although an occasional day of meetings or fitting in with the top managers means it can be like that during some office hours, even if the tie is usually loosened at start and end of the working day. As suggested I might try the loose button and tightened tie look one day if brave, but if the tie is tight then I'm not sure why I wouldn't do the button up too, or alternatively go with the undone button and brazen out a more fully loosened tie? The good news is that it seems like fewer and fewer blokes are wearing ties and buttoned-up collars these days. As a later adopter used to doing my tie up fully until recently, I figure it must be a wide-spread and generally acceptable trend if I feel able to do it.
11th Feb 11 07:02

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How are you doing, adapting? Are you still developing your style or have you settled to a common style?
18th Jan 11 05:01

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Re-read your posts and now understand what you meant. Has been good to chat with you, adapting.
14th Jan 11 07:01

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Good. Me too, solid colour shirts. White and pale blue would form the majority of my wardrobe space for shirts. Next meeting, try the tip of just tightening the tie, leaving the top button open. What do you mean when you say you 'can't quite kick....'? Do you mean that you prefer to have the top button done up when you are wearing at tie? Agree with you when you say that the tie on adds style (and colour) to the outfit.

Do you do windsor knots?
13th Jan 11 08:01

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Yes - solid colour shirts, mainly white or blue, and suits. The top button was done up in the end for the meeting, loosened straight afterwards but can't quite kick the top button habit if wearing a tie. But the variety is a good thing I think - make the most of the different shirt/tie options. Its easier to keep a tie on in winter though as it adds warmth as well as style so open neck less tempting. That said, have done it a couple of times this year just to keep it going.
13th Jan 11 08:01

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When not in meetings, the less subtle way is the way I go. The way I see it is there is no point in wearing a tie with the top button of the shirt open if it's not noticeable. So, yes, those two point you correctly mention are my requisites: noticeably undone and the two sides of the collar just apart. When in meetings, the tie is tightened, so that it isn't noticeable that the top button is open.

Spread collared shirts for me too. I like the Hawes and Curtis ones and bought a great one from Charles Tyrwhitt (white, twill, double-cuffed). Ties, yes same as you.. not a fan of these skinny ties for work, as I prefer a decent tie knot. Do you mainly wear solid colour shirts? You also wear suits?

What about that meeting a couple of days ago, did you do your top button up in the end?
13th Jan 11 07:01

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Yes generally used to it after previous tie wearing, just an observation of the relative comfort of tie - vs - no tie having started trying without recently. Spread collar shirts mostly and average ties as you say. How loosely do you wear your tie when not in meetings - enough to see the button is undone and collar sides don't touch, or more subtle? I try not to be too scruffy but clearly loosened.
12th Jan 11 10:01

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I wouldn't bother doing the top button up for the meeting. Wearing a windsor does away with the phaff of having to do up the top button tighten the tie for a meeting and then loosen the top button and te afterwards. All you need to do is simply tighten the tie, hiding the fact that the top button is undone. Let me know what you did.... ! So what's your ratio for loosened tie and top button undone vs wearing no tie? Probably more of a feeling of the tie being there, as opposed to a feeling of weight on your collar bone? I reckon you'd get used to it.

Do you wear spread collared shirts and 'average' width ties?
11th Jan 11 07:01

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Thanks. When the tie is loosened a bit I find the knot tends to 'rest' on the top of the collar bone, a slightly odd/weighted feeling, and not one that you get if the tie is removed or done up tight. Managed a couple of days with loose tie and top button undone and back into it after Xmas/NY break, but also day without a tie. No top button done up so far this year, but there's an important meeting tomorrow so will probably wear the tie tightened until after it, then loosen and undo top button again.
10th Jan 11 09:01

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Sounds a good look, adapting. Now all you need to do is to take that look forward for the remaining work days of 2011. Can you explain to me what you mean about the pull/weight of tie when you have your tie on and the top button undone? I don't feel that at all. I feel comfortable.. as you say with air around the neck.
5th Jan 11 07:01

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Blue tie, white shirt with top button undone today. After wearing civvies over Xmas/NY didn't feel as comfortable as when tie off after trip to gym, though loosened tie feels better than with top button fastened. It is good to feel air around neck and no pull/weight of tie, even though tie adds to look.
4th Jan 11 10:01

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If nothing else, loosen tie and undo top button. Your office dresscode is strict then?
23rd Dec 10 12:12

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Going to office party straight from work. Wearing black suit White shirt red striped tie. Tie is done up with top button fastened. Later should I stay as I am ? Take jacket off ? Take tie off ? Loosen tie ? How many buttons should I undo ? Or should I wait and see how other guys are dressed ?
23rd Dec 10 12:12

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The way you've described wearing your tie today sounds very probably the same as I wear mine every day at work. Cutaway collar not my style, although I do know what you mean. The top part of the knot (broadest part) could then be seen. I prefer spread collared shirts, which mean that the collar wings need to be slightly apart so that the whole knot can be seen. I respect your decision about not wanting to go back, but may still try to persuade you from time to time! Haha. Good that you're going to wear a tie most the time, though and also a bit loose when possible. That's the best look/style. What have you been wearing today?
20th Dec 10 08:12

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Fair enough and agree about the windsor knot. If you get a cutaway collar then you could wear tie windsor style fully displayed when the top button is done up - worth a try? I wore a tie all day today despite no meetings, but top button undone and tie loosened. Possibly looser than you wear it - could see gap at top of collar where button was not done up - but why tighten when no business need? Think I'll still go without a tie sometimes when at desk or travelling to/from work. Having made the step from done-up tie to none at all reluctant to go back. But won't dispense of the tie altogether - probably I'll still wear most of the time - though continue to be a bit loose when possible.
20th Dec 10 08:12

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Hey: firstly windsor knot, best knot out. secondly I just prefer the look/style of the 'windsor' when the shirt top button is open. It seems to hold better in place; the top part of the tie does not get lost under the collar wings; it fits in the created gap better. Tie is normally quite tight, never worn scruffy. Only time it's pulled looser is travelling to/from or if it's on the evenings. For me: a suit / shirt does not look right without a tie. But then, that's only imho.
20th Dec 10 10:12

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Didn't think I'd get to a stage when I'd have advice to keep a tie on more - I wore a tie almost all the time to/from/at work until recently. I'm still wearing a tie about 60-40 or more even now; just spanning the full formal tie to no tie range a bit more. Windsor knot is the normal look when tie is on. Office dress-code not particularly informal - suits, shirts, quite a few ties though some open neck too. If you're a tie enthusiast (given your advice to wear one more), why have you never worn your top button done up - ever fancied trying it occasionally? Or (given you pull your tie loose a fair bit) have you ever taken your tie off and worn open neck? Might be worth pushing the normal look sometimes?
19th Dec 10 10:12

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Hey adapting: try keeping your tie on more. Can I ask what tie knot you normally tie? You ask about 'iimportant meetings or interviews'. I've managed to still keep the top button open and just by pulling the tie knot that much tighter it holds in place. Is your office dresscode less formal?
17th Dec 10 07:12

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Yes I am finding taking the tie off more comfortable, although a tie worn with the top button undone is also pretty good. Have you ever done your top button up - e.g. for important meetings or interviews? I think there are still situations when a fully done-up tie is expected. But as I say, now more willing to loosen or (more recently) not wear ties outside those occasions. Anyway, thanks for the debate about trends on business attire.
16th Dec 10 10:12

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No comparison deciding whether or not to take your tie off. Probably the biggest decision you would make in your lifetime. Heck, contrasting which FTSE 100 company to invest in or whether or not to just loosen or take your tie off... come on, nobend.
15th Dec 10 06:12

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Hey adapting: if you wore a loosened tie for the morning, why didn't you keep it on for lunch and the afternoon? Did you find it more comfortable with the tie off? If I'm honest, I keep my tie on, but have always got my top button open. I find it no more comfortable if the tie is off, than if the tie is slightly loosened. I actually wear mine like this not only for comfort, but also for style. I think a decent windsor knot, normal (spread) collared shirt and top button undone is the best way. Good to hear from you.
15th Dec 10 07:12

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Wore a loosened tie this morning; took it off during and after lunch. Definitely more comfortable with an open neck. When at my desk I don't wear a jacket. As it's not technically a full suit with no tie, is it tacky? Presumably men wear loosened ties with their top buttons undone for comfort, so removing the tie in some situations is just taking it a step further? If the shirt doesn't have a rigid collar then I agree a suit with no tie doesn't look good. And yes, ties can add something so wouldn't want to ditch them on many. But if the collar is sharp enough to show above the jacket lapel when not done up then I think it is fine to go open neck sometimes. This from someone who wore ties for several years fully done up - now the mantra is loose ties when possible, even take them off sometimes.
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No Adapting. You shouldnt keep trying the No Tie look. That is not a good look at all. Much better to have the tie on with the top button open . As you state , it can add interest to the look.
Much better to have the tie on. I think suits with No tie is tacky.
12th Dec 10 04:12

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After a few years wearing ties done right up, for the last couple of years I've worn them a bit looser with the top button undone at the start and end of the day, and sometimes like that in work. It feels more comfortable than done up tight, and I think a loosened tie can add interest to the look provided it is not pulled too low. More recently I've noticed more office workers seem to wear suits, open neck shirts and no ties. Having experimented with this a few times lately myself, I found it more comfortable than wearing a slightly loosened tie with top button undone - less weight around the neck. No one seemed to comment at work when I had no tie on, so think I'll keep trying it. It seems edgy and pushing the boundaries when wearing a smart suit and shirt without the noose while there are still some tie-wearers in the office. If I have a key meeting I'll put a tie on with top button done up, but loosen when back at my desk or even take the tie off. Those of you wearing a looser tie for comfort - why not push it one stage further and remove the tie altogether occasionally at your desk?
11th Dec 10 08:12

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I tie my tie with the thin end at the front and the thick end shorter and at the back. It gets quite a lot of interest from people who are interested in top-buttonology. I may patent this tying method.
4th Dec 10 04:12

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I think Pip, you should wear the tieloosened with the top Button open. You should be able to get away with it if others do.
3rd Dec 10 10:12

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Why not make an effort. Jeans and trainers are ok for the pub but if your going for a night out is it going to kill you to look smart in a pair of trousers?
2nd Dec 10 03:12

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of course. If you'd prefer to wear a tie then you can always keep your top button undone. Actually, it may be best if you do wear a tie, as it IS noticeable even with a round-neck jumper if you're wearing a tie or not.
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pretty much everbody wears their tie loosened with the top bottom open, mangement do not say anything about it, so should I dare to get away with it
1st Dec 10 08:12

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Hey pip: you probably could see if you were/weren't wearing a tie, as the collar would be more closed with the tie on than if you wearing it open-necked. Do most of the guys go tie-less?
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I work in a large independant retailer were you are required to wear a shirt and tie but are also allowed to wear a jumper. The jumper is not v neck so you cannot see if you are wearing a tie or not. Should I wear the jumper and be rebellious and not wear the tie, I have never seen anybody been check if the are wearing a tie underneath the jumper. what should I do?
30th Nov 10 11:11

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I work in a large independant retailer were you are required to wear a shirt and tie but are also allowed to wear a jumper. The jumper is not v neck so you cannot see if you are wearing a tie or not. Should I wear the jumper and be rebellious and not wear the tie, I have never seen anybody been check if the are wearing a tie underneath the jumper. what should I do?
30th Nov 10 10:11

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Topbuttoned, just do the windsor knot and push your tie up, so that your boss can't tell your top button is open. It is certainly much more comfortable.
29th Nov 10 03:11

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Good Grief, Topbuttoned. I do feel for you . You should be free to have your collar open. It is much more comfortable as long as your tie is pulled up. Then I take it rolling up shirtsleeves is a no no as well.
29th Nov 10 04:11

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I work at Moss Bros and have to have my top button done up at all times. I tied a windsor knot and pushed it up but got caught with my collar open. My boss handed me a suit and told me to change into it. I found that it was a jacket with tails, stripe trousers high collar shirt and bowtie. My collar was so tight and I looked like a penguin. I was then sent out to get everyone's lunch dressed like that! I also had to take suits to and from the tailors across town dressed like that. My boss says that if I get caught with my top button undone I'll have to wear the 'penguin' suit at all times!.
28th Nov 10 02:11

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Stephen: think I saw you leaving victoria station and going down the underground escalator on the victoria line.
27th Oct 10 07:10

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Good move, Pete. Glad you had a good time, and well done on keeping the top button open.

What have you been wearing today? I've been in white shirt, blue patterned tie (windsor knot).
14th Oct 10 05:10

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hi How Loose sorry have been snowed under gont on weel witht h etux managed to tie the bow but had to do it with the button fastened then undid the top button worked well I noticed a few other of the guys had their top buttons undone as well. About 11ish I was sat at the table and just pulled it undone very swarve I though and wore it undone around my neck for the rest of the evening all the other guys with pre-tied ones had to just put them in their pockets ha ha
14th Oct 10 12:10

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Pete: How did you get on with your tux etc, over the weekend?
11th Oct 10 03:10

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Is this an order from a moderator? And.. more explicit about what?
8th Oct 10 03:10

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I think the reputation goes so far as having to wear a shirt and tie 5 days a week, lol. It's really nice weather here, and definitely weather for wearing the tie loose, so have also done so.
8th Oct 10 01:10

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we can dress down on Friday if we want to but I opt not to, somtimes I do not always though depends how I feel when I get up, and if I can be bothered ironing a shirt. As I am back from lunch I have loosened my tie further and undone a second button, how about you
8th Oct 10 01:10

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So you don't have dress down Friday either. Me: white shirt, dark blue tie and navy suit. Worn like you.
8th Oct 10 11:10

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Today I have got on my charcoal grey suit, pink shirt and pink tie brown shoes. Tob button undone big tie knot pulled quite loose, how about you
8th Oct 10 11:10

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Won't matter that you can see that the top button is open at all. For comfort's sake (and our reputation) it's a good move. 007 look, I like?

What are you wearing today?
8th Oct 10 09:10

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Hi How Loose hope you are well today. I picked up the tux and tried it all on yesterday and have achieved again tieing the bow tie witht hetop button undone and it loooks well I think. If you look close you can see that the top button is undone, not sure if it matters though, what do you think? Also did the whole undone round the neck and a couple of buttons undone, very 007 liked it.
8th Oct 10 09:10

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Just slightly tighter, kept it pretty loose. Glad to hear, will be interested in what you have to say after you've tried it all on. Two buttons undone? I normally undo a second in the afternoons.
7th Oct 10 01:10

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Good to hear will you be tightening up when you get back in the office. I am picking up my tix today on my way home from work so I will try all the togs on tonight and mess about witht he tie a bit, have decided to take your advice and will keep the top button undone, you are right that ww have reps to protect I type while pulling my tie a little looser which really shows as I have 2 buttons undone, how about you
7th Oct 10 12:10

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I don't really think it matters, so long as it doesn't look too scruffy. If the bowtie is pulled up even though the top button is open, then it's fine. After all, you and I have our reputation to maintain!

My tie is a little loose this morning, but am going out to lunch soon, so it will be loosened even more.
7th Oct 10 12:10

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I will just have to keep up the practice I did manage to do it last night with th top button undone and it was a lot more comfortable, but you could see that the top button was undone do you think that that matters?
How is your tie today, I have got top 2 buttons undone, the collar is a bit snug will have to get tot he gym lol and my tie is pulled on line with the second button.
7th Oct 10 08:10

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So, what is your decision for the weekend? There must be a way of wearing a bowtie and keeping the top button open. If you use a self-tie one, it's much easier.
6th Oct 10 05:10

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I don't think I will wear it to work will look a bit pretentious, plus I like wearing my normal tie, plus I will not be strangled ha ha
6th Oct 10 03:10

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Can just see that look, lol. Perhaps you could practice with wearing a bowtie to work Thursday and Friday!
6th Oct 10 02:10

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It has to be a bow tie, I think I will just bite the bullet and wear it with the top button fastened for the first time in my life, even though it will choke me the collar is winged and is as stiff as a board lol. I suppose I can undoe it at the first possible moment and undo the top couple of buttons, like James Bond
6th Oct 10 12:10

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Does it have to be a bowtie, or can it be a normal tie? I suggest you keep the bowtie fairly tight at the knot, so that it won't loosen too much
6th Oct 10 12:10

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I have been trying think I have got it sussed now, but when I do it with the top button undone it ends up all loose, any suggestions?
6th Oct 10 12:10

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I scrolled back a number of pages, thinking we had chatted before. It must have been a while back! You will have to put in practice. Haha.
6th Oct 10 11:10

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I tend to have a rather large knot with my tie but you should know thta we have talked before a while back on this forum. How are you good to hear that you are keeping the faith with your collar nice an loose lol. I was interested in the conversation about the bow tie because I am going to a black tie thing this weekend I will have to practice tieing the bow tie or I will have to get a pre-tied one
6th Oct 10 10:10

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Hey Pete: ikt's probably easier to have your top button undone when wearing a bow tie, if the bow tie is a self-tied one, rather than a clip-on tie (similar to these awful clip-on normal ties being fat more difficult - if not impossible - to have your shirt top button open).

So you don't wear your shirt and tie with the top button fastened? Good move. What style knot do you use?
5th Oct 10 05:10

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I can understand that your boss would want you to keep your top button fastened to keep looking ultra smart, it is easier to have your collar udone when wearing a normal tie, I suppose you did that when your wore your prev shirt & tie combo? I personally never fasten my top button when I wear my tie, and as a customer would not mind if I was in a casino and you had your collar loose. Is it possible to tie a bow tie with your collar undone or wear one?
5th Oct 10 12:10

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You should stick with wearing your bowtie over an unfastened collar. Management really can't complain as you are wearing the wing collar shirt and the bowtie. The only thing you are doing is keeping the top button open but keeping the bowtie still tight. It will look good like that. Yes, I could tell the difference as the collar is slightly wider open, but stick with it.

When you were in suits, did you always have your top button closed?
3rd Oct 10 09:10

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Hello everyone. I work in a top quality Casino.And have done for the previous five years.From day one Ive always wore quality suits.My look is like that of someone like Jamie Redknapp.White shirt and skinny tie.No member of the management has ever complained about my look.My recent promotion requires my to change my look.I now have to wear a wing collar shirt that has a very stiff collar and have to wear a hand tied bow tie,that if worn correctly, is extremely tight. The Casino can become extremely warm late on when it fills up.On Friday night I wore my bow tie over an unfastened collar.Within 20 mins of starting work I was hauled in to the office and told to sort my collar out! Ive had it checked twice since too! The hard thing is,you often get five or six lads sat at your table,playing blackjack,all in suits,all with their collars undone and their ties loosened,and I cant! Count yourselves lucky!
3rd Oct 10 05:10

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Hey Cleggy:

You'd never catch me wearing one of those.... not into the bowtie and wing collar thing.
8th Sep 10 10:09

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8th Sep 10 10:09

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Haha, Jack. How did you know I buy Hawes and Curtis shirts! So, are you more convinced? A smaller knot is not an option, as I like the (not fist-sized) largish windsors.
8th Sep 10 07:09

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Yes HL definitely go for cutaway collars - not necessarily full cutaway otherwise if you do what you do, either you're collar will look too big for you or you will have to wear a size down and people will think you have put on weight. Or you could tie a slightly smaller knot - or even buy Hawes & Curtis shirts which tend to have wide collars so you should nor have the problem. Or maybe you can teach all of us in this new book!
7th Sep 10 08:09

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I find it fairly difficult to even think of a further publisher. However, having read all of Grisham's books and seeing he used Arrow Books, they were approached and although they are, atm, getting his latest book out for next month, they have promised me that it's all systems go for early Dec this year. They are sending first proof in late October, after JG's book is on sale.
7th Sep 10 05:09

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"Arrow" Books you say...how fitting. Well who else could do you justice?
7th Sep 10 03:09

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Arrow Books have my first manuscript. Watch this space, as the first copies will be appearing at Waterstone's early in December. Apparently, it is destined to be a 'big hit' for Christmas.
7th Sep 10 07:09

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How Loose, you really ought to write a book. You have so much knowledge to share. It really seems a pity not to consolidate it all into a major work. It could be translated into Arabic and Chinese and sold across the globe. You are certainly heading for celebrity.
7th Sep 10 02:09

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I go along with what you say, Jack. However, my own take on the spread collar shirt and the top button undone and the tie a little loose (yes, spread collar shirt is my favourite, as opposed to pointed collar or cutaway) is that then the whole of the top part of the tie can be seen.

If the top button is done up and the tie tight, or even if the top button is undone and the tie tight (yes, I also agree with you that it can look like the shirt doesn't fit) then the broadest part of the knot is lost under the collar wings. However, if it is loosened to the extent that the whole of the knot can be seen, then that is the optimum look for me. Yes, you could say... wear a cutaway to achieve that look, but the spread is far better, in my opinion.
6th Sep 10 06:09

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HL I think it can look quite good to wear a tie in a Windsor knot with the top button undone - particularly with a spread collar - so long as the tie is still straight and not much more than an inch or so below the top of the collar. I prefer that to a tie done up, but with the collar undone. The first look appears intentional and can look cool, but the latter looks like the person does not know how to wear a tie - or even he is trying to get away with an old shirt that no longer fits him now that he is older and fatter. Whilst I like the loosened tie look, I think it looks good in a bar and not in a customer-facing professional role.
6th Sep 10 06:09

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Not sure if you want the distance from the collar to the middle of the top of tie knot, or the disrance from the collar to the furthest edge of the tie knot, or the distance from the collar to the nearest edge of the tie knot.

For that matter, also not sure from where you want me to measure the collar from to the middle or furthest/nearest edge of the tie knot.

I realise it's fascinating, but perhaps until I get yourspecific answers people had still go out to buy The Times on Sunday.
5th Sep 10 08:09

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How Loose, tell us more about your collar. It really is riveting stuff. There's so much more detail you could add. Is there any chance you could measure the distance from the top of the collar to the top of the knot. Everyone would benefit from this and it's so fascinating...it could save us all the cost buying a paper.
5th Sep 10 02:09

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Hey Jack: It can look OK (top button open with tie done up). I wear mine like that, as with a spread collared shirt and windsor knot tie, it can look good with the tie just slightly loose.
4th Sep 10 08:09

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I always have my collar fastened at work as it always looks smarter. There are people at work with their tie done up, but with their top button undone - and the collar never sits neatly and to me it always looks slightly sloppy. After working all day, I always enjoy loosening my tie and undoing my collar to relax - it is almost a symbolic thing. And going out after work (eg the pub) I think it looks perfectly smart to have a loosened tie.
4th Sep 10 05:09

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I've heard that some people loosen their top button sometimes. Sounds a little wild to me. I'm not sure my heart would stand it.
2nd Sep 10 01:09

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Happy with that, Stephen, or would you prefer to be loosened up at work?
2nd Sep 10 12:09

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I always wear a suit and tie to work and always keep my top-button done up, at all times - even after work!
2nd Sep 10 11:09

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Top Button Slaveboy, What happens to the top Button after work or during the Lunch Hour?
27th Aug 10 11:08

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Top Button Slaveboy

My boss makes sure I am dressed by his strict rules each and everyday. I must wear a fitted 3 piece suit and a heavily starched white shirt everyday, with french cuffs. If my top button is not fastened, whether or not I am wearing a tie, he makes sure that I have it done up. If not, he will humiliate me and punish me after. My tie must be nice and tight, and the knot absolutely perfect - as he will inspect me often. Even in the pouring rain must I adhere to this code, as the weather does not matter. I also wear bow ties on demand, and wait on his clients in my attire. You boys should feel good the way you dress, just as I do... stop complaining and do as your told!
24th Aug 10 03:08

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MJ

You only ever get frog marched out if you are a piece of sh1t, which you obviously must be Collar Felt. It's cheaper outside...you should be comfortable there.
20th Aug 10 03:08

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anon,

I think the subject you are referring to was covered in the Button Hole Gazette about two months ago.

It caused quite a storm and I believe that a new protocol is being added to the European Convention of Human Rights; the right to go unbuttoned has been sadly ignored - the stress and suffering caused by the top button is incalculable.
19th Aug 10 08:08

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Declan

normally the doormen I see at the clubs and bars I go to are just checking that you are not wearing trainers or tracksuits, never seen one not let someone in because they have their top button undone and tie loose. Half of the bouncers have loose ties themselves or no ties at all.
19th Aug 10 06:08

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Hi Declan, don't know what "anon" is rabbiting about - let's take it as an interruption.
The club I referred to certianly isn't posh and I don't consider it "wrong" either. Just that the doormen are a bit picky.
As for work, there's no requirement or dress-code, it's just that all the other guys (6 of us) wear our ties with the top button fastened. Most of us loosen-up after work, though. Don't often wear a tie on nights out, but when I do (and if it's a casual evening) I would always wear it loose.
19th Aug 10 06:08

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anon

I fasten my top button up sometimes. On other occasions I don't fasten it. Sometimes the fastened top button feels more comfortable, depending on my mood. On the other hand, sometimes I just don't fasten it or somehow it comes undone. I have experimented with other buttons. Sometimes I don't fasten the second one down. I don't really feel this button offers the same complexities as the top button which, as this thread bears out, is a much more fascinating button to discuss.

On aspect of the debate which I feel has been sadly overlooked is that of the button hole. Some button holes are more flexible and permit the buttoning of the top button more readily than others. This of course can encourage or discourage the buttoning of the top button depending on the degree to which the button hole allows the button to pass through untrammeled by friction and tension of the fabric.

All in all this really is a subject which requires long and detailed debate. I propose that the original author expand the gripe into a journal length paper and submit it to wider academic comment in one of more recognised publications, such as Top Button Dilemma. On the other hand, perhaps the original author could issue a call for papers and arrange a conference somewhere appropriately prestigious.
19th Aug 10 12:08

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Declan

I never fasten my top button on my shirt I do not see th epoint it is uncomfortable. I have never been turned way from a club or bar because I have my tie loosened, you must be going to the wrong or really posh places. How come you usually have it fastened in work, is it a requirement?
19th Aug 10 10:08

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Iceman

I have noticed how some doormen/bouncers do seem to discriminate against tie wearers. A club I go to frequently, the bouncers often turn away blokes wearing their ties loose, but there aren't any rules once you're inside. If my mates and I are wearing ties, we always make sure they're done-up before arriving at the door, then loosen them once we're inside. Saves a load of hassle. Agree with you Declan, skinny ties are much better with an open collar. I have to wear a tie for work and usually have the top button fastened, but always unbutton when I leave at night.
19th Aug 10 10:08

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Declan

good for him JP the days of wearing your tie with your collar button fastened is out of the window I never have or ever will fasten my top button and I have to wear a tie 5 days a week for work. I like wearing skinny ties of a weekend when I go out and they should never be worn with the top button fastened
18th Aug 10 07:08

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JP

I was in a traditional greengrocers recently and the young guy on the till was wearing a tie very loose with him collar wide open. Another young guy stacking the shelves was also wearing a tie but his collar was fastened and his tie pulled up. A lady, who I presume was the manager, came out of the back and started to have a go at the guy on the till about how he was wearing his tie. He held his ground and the lady turned to my girlfriend and asked what she thought - to which her reply was that she thought it looked good and was less-old fashioned. The manager raised her eyebrows but didn't make the guy pull his tie up and she disappeared out back again. At which point the guy who was stacking the shelves loosened the knot in his tie, pulled it down and undid his collar.
14th Aug 10 10:08

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Private Banker

I think the answer is simple - if you disagree with the dress code where you work, work somewhere else where people are more liberal! As for disrespectful bouncers, go to a different pub and spend your money there instead. I usually loosen my tie if I go to a pub after work and have never been treated badly. On what business grounds should a pub mistreat a client for relaxing and undoing their tie! If a bouncer were rude to me, I would complain to the owner and if the matter was not resolved, I would go and spend my hard earned money in a more deserving pub. Ultimately pubs that unreasonably mistreat customers will go out of business.
13th Aug 10 07:08

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Collar Felt, do you have your sleeves rolled up in the office?
9th Aug 10 01:08

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Hey Collar Felt - do you think it also has something to do with the fact that guys who have their shirt top buttons undone and ties loose look scruffier and therefore scruffy is associated with trouble? (Not that I'm about to change... as I can't remember the last time I was done up!) You?

The few times in the office I have forgotten to tighten my tie after lunch the manager has marched me in front of a mirror without saying a word! I then have to tighten my tie and in his presence I do the top button up, but as soon as he has gone back to his office the top button is undone again. It's surprising the difference it makes, even if the tie is tight.

This week the manager's been away, and my tie has been much looser... what a welcome relief. Monday he's back, so I'd better remember to tighten my tie. As I'm in the office before him in the mornings.. I've left a post-it-note on my pc screen to remind me. *TIE* :)
6th Aug 10 05:08

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Smart Card - I never instigate any trouble, in fact sometimes its prats like you taking the piss by yanking my loose collar, and the bouncer 9 times out of 10 collars me and frogmarches me out!
How Loose - I think its because its easier for the bouncers to get a grip on someone if the collar is loose than done up or in a t shirt that I get collared rather than the others in this scenario (on a couple of occasions where the other bloke has also had his collar and tie loose, hes been the one getting his collar felt and yanked out tho), in fact one bouncer has actually told me that they'll always go for the one easiest to grip and love it when the guy is in a shirt and tie with the collar loose! Luckily, I can get away with having my top button undone and tie loose (even down to the 2nd button) in the office, tho did have a job where the boss collared me for not doing it up but I kept loosening it (was worth the hassle!). How does you boss collar you, and do you still persist in loosening up anyhow?
CBF - I'd persist with your top button undone, he can hardly sack you for it and may soon get sick of trying to sort your collar out (tho some guys clearly get a school bully type power trip out of 'feeling collars'!).
6th Aug 10 12:08

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CBF

hell yeah, but the next person up is his dad, who has handed control over to him.
3rd Aug 10 08:08

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Declan

I can't belive that your boss is making you fasten your top button I don't think that I have ever fastened mine in my whole life. I would make a complaint to someone hight up the chain. Did you used to have our buttons indone before this little sh1t took over?
3rd Aug 10 07:08

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CBF:

So what does he do, does he walk up close for inspection, or does he ask you to loosen your tie a tad to see if the top button is done up/undone?

I agree with you about not being able to risk another day's pay.... but it's insufferable. If you say you can't tell then you would not have any adverse comments from anyone at all.

I would still go with the undone top button and the tie pushed up. You never know, you may convert him. If he's only 20, chances are that only a few years ago he would have been 'top button undone' at school anyway.

Stick it out and go for it....
2nd Aug 10 05:08

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collared by force (CBF)

Well and truly collared, top button done up. On friday you couldn't tell, but he checks, Can't risk losing another days pay
2nd Aug 10 02:08

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Don't do it! The big windsor with the top button undone is definitely my style. It is a style I like and ALWAYS wear.

On Friday, how were you dressed? Tie loose or pushed up. I can't believe that you've had this stress. I would definitely go 'top button undone' and button pushed up. It is far more comfortable and looks far better.

What are you wearing today?
2nd Aug 10 12:08

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I work in recruitment, went for promotion recently and didn't get it, surprisingly lost out to the boss' son (I'm 26 and he's only 20). He is now my boss and is loving being able to dish out orders. I usually tie a big windsor pushed up with top button undone. My new boss did my top button up the other day and told me that from now on this is how I should dress. On Friday I arrived at work looking smart, unfortunately I hadn't buttoned my collar. My new boss then told me to go home, I asked why and he said I wasn't dressed appropriately. I buttoned my collar and pleaded with him as I couldn't afford to lose a days pay. Still I was sent home. Arrived at work today, all buttoned up tight, my collar was inspected and I was forced to apologise. I am on my luch break now, choking under this fastened top button!
2nd Aug 10 12:08

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SmartCard

Declan, I think you're missing my point. Collar Felt has told us that he gets treated differently to what he describes as a "smarter" bloke, so he's defined the problem, hasn't he? The unfastened collar isn't the problem (most tie-wearing younger guys wear them loose or loosen them after work), but his own description of his appearance and the reaction of bouncers answers his own question. I never said he *is* a yob, just that his dressing habits might make others thinks he's one.
31st Jul 10 10:07

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Declan

Does it really matter if you have got your tie down to the second button it does not make him a yob, it means he is relaxing after work. Look round in any ar or pub and look at the state of some people who think that thye look fashionable. Some look like they got dressed in the dar with only the contents of a charity bag. I always have my top button undoen it is never fastened never was in school, my wedding or ever in work that is suppose makes me a yob.
29th Jul 10 10:07

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SmartCard

Collar Felt - from the picture you paint of yourself it isn't surprising that you get "collared" in pubs and clubs - your description of your dress habits resemble those of a yobbish schoolboy. Maybe it's time you grew-up, at least sartorially.
12th Jul 10 11:07

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Collar felt: Do you have your tie down to your second button in the office, or just when you're away from the office? Like travelling to/from the office and going out to the pub/club from work?

I always have my top button undone too, but have to have it well hidden (like a fat windsor knot hiding the undone top button) in the office. Although it's still comfortable having the collar looser, it would be better to show that the top button is undone, rather than having to hide it. I guess it looks smarter like that....

Have they ruined your work shirts? You'd better not wear your best shirts anymore. Why do you think it is that guys who have their top buttons undone and ties loose are labelled as 'trouble'?

My tie is loose on the way to the office and can't wait to yank it down after work too.... (and at lunch time). I've forgotten to pull it up a few times and get a collaring by the manager.
11th Jul 10 06:07

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You don't get collared unless you are a trouble-causing git, in which case you deserve to be collared.
11th Jul 10 04:07

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Collar Felt

I never do my top button up and usually have my tie pulled comfortable loose (down to my 2nd button). I get away with this in the office, thankfully so feel for you guys like office junior. I have had problems in bars and clubs tho when I go out after work and essentially get victimised with 'smarter' blokes yanking me by my loose collar, and every single time this has happened, the bouncer collars me rather than the smarter bloke - I suppose its cos I'm easier to grab hold of with my collar and tie so loose. Anyone else have this problem?

BTW, these bouncer guys seem to have it down to a fine art as no matter how loose my collar is, they virtually strangle me by twisting and scrunching my collar up at the back, last time I got the back of my collar roughly torn at the back. F**king w**kers have ruined a number of my smart shirts by collaring me like that!
11th Jul 10 04:07

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Private Banker

Office Junior is not alone. People have recently started at our bank dressed in a way that makes them look like they are straight out of school. One boy came for an interview with his tie all undone as if he were on the set of Grange Hill. I even saw one scruffy boy speaking to a wealthy customer with his tie close to the second button with no shame at all. I think if I had interviewed someone looking like that, they would have no chance of getting the job. But in fairness to Office Junior - the person who interviewed him should have at least said something at the interview.
19th Jun 10 10:06

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Good advice, AM. Thanks for your support. Is that how you wear your shirt and tie?
1st Jun 10 12:06

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Hello Office Junior,
As a department manager I would say that your boss is probably right and as this is your first job, you have no experience and are (sorry) of no value, yet. Just do as you're told. In fairness, to you though, he sounds a bit pedantic and I wouldn't force my staff (even juniors) to wear jackets in the office. Shirt collars and ties are a thorny subject - hence this forum. The suggestion made by "how loose" is a good compromise and I would have thought it would keep your boss happy.
You can always loosen your tie after work or if you go out on breaks, can't you?
Keep smart for now, work hard, pay attention, do as you're told (sic), and one day you'll be able to dictate office dress policy.
1st Jun 10 12:06

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Persevere, mate. Tie a windsor, keep your top button open and pull your tie into the space. You may have to wear a regular rather than a skinny tie though, to be able to do a larger tie knot.
1st Jun 10 07:06

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Hi.Ive just started work in a bank.Its my first job.At the interview I wore my dark suit with white shirt and skinny red tie.I never ever fastened my collar at school.I disliked the restriction it gave me plus all the other lads never buttoned up. I was told at the interview my dress was okay, but within 5 mins of arriving on day one,the dept mgr told me to tighten my tie up.I tightened to about half an inch from the top.He then looked again and told me to put my chin up,and he fastened my quite tight collar and tightened my tie right up! He told me thats how he wanted it at all times. Its been desperatlely warm and he wont even let the lads take their jackets off in the office.
29th May 10 08:05

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Gainsborough lad.

Not quite, today I had my weekly gripe T shirt on, with the weekly gripe motif on my left hand side, and Gainsbourgh lad in small lettering on the right hand side,

Hope admin don't send me a bill for royalties.
3rd Apr 10 10:04

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Well I presume after today, you're wearing Chelsea on the outside and Man Utd on the inside.

2-1 and two points clear!
3rd Apr 10 08:04

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Gainsborough lad.

Depends on the day, it could be a reversable football one, Chelsea on one side, Man united on the other, or it might be my works shirt with my name on it, (sometimes I have turned up at work with this one on inside out) then again it might be a funny one with a slogan like "no, i'm spartacus" or it may be a trendy one with a sunny countrys name on it to imply that I have been there, and have loads of cash, all depends on the day.
2nd Apr 10 08:04

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What colour T shirt, Gainsborough lad. Do you never wear shirts and ties?
2nd Apr 10 08:04

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Gainsborough lad.

£6-00 George trousers from Asda, Costco socks, works issue shoes, and a T shirt, who needs street cred?
2nd Apr 10 07:04

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Davey, did you wear cufflinks at your wedding? Did you roll your sleeves up in the evening at your wedding?
2nd Apr 10 02:04

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Hey... we like the same colour in shirts, so we are pretty similar!
1st Apr 10 08:04

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Davey

Each to their own would be a boring place if we all dressed the same.
1st Apr 10 07:04

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I guess given that option, I would then be open-necked.
1st Apr 10 07:04

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I agree for work but skinny ties are fine socially, you can't wear a wider tie out to a pub or whatever without looking out of place so the option is open neck shirt no tie or skinny tie
1st Apr 10 07:04

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Definite trend. Don't wear skinny ties, I don't like the look. I much prefer wider ties, as you can get a decent knot.
1st Apr 10 07:04

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Davey

I sometimes wear a skinny tie with a fitted shirt out socially. I tend to wear white, pale blue, pale pink, pale yellow, there is strend here isn't there ha ha. Never wear button down with a tie have a few button down short sleeve oxfords that I wear in the summer out
1st Apr 10 07:04

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Do you wear ties often outside of work? O yes, most of the guys wear loosened ties.

What colour shirts do you like? Do you ever wear button-downed collared shirts? I hate then, tbh.
1st Apr 10 07:04

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My mother asked me to button up but she has failed since school to do that so she gave up my wife knows what I am like and she said she would have been disappointed if I had it fastened because it would nt have been me. Most of the other guys had their top buttons undone espeially by the evening, I was barefoot each time I sat down, the dam shoes where rubbing so much so they had worn a hole in my socks which where disgarded not a good move as I ended up with blisters but drinkl kills the pain ha ha. Is it common where you work to have your tie loose everyone in our office does
1st Apr 10 07:04

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Never, I like the look of a windsor knot and the top button open. Not too scruffy, but so that you can see the top button is open. I wear long-sleeved shirts. What colour shirts and style shirts do you wear?

Nice look for your wedding. Did the other guys have their ties loose too? Were you not asked to do the top button up?
1st Apr 10 07:04

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I wore a grey morning suit, cream waistcoat and a burgundy tie in a big knot 9not sure what it is called may have been a windsor) spread collar shirt with the tie loose. I take it looking at the posts that you never fasten your collar button?
1st Apr 10 07:04

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Nice look, Davey. What style tie knot did you tie for your wedding? What did you wear?
1st Apr 10 06:04

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Hi Guys, I do not think that I will ever try a tie bar it will be to constrictive. On my wedding day I had my tie quite loose noticable on the photos, and when we went to the reception it got pulled really loose and I had 2 buttons undone by the eveneing
1st Apr 10 06:04

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hey davey you say collar bar never have you ever tried it once your used to it you will find it very smart and good. I too wear my tie losse some time mostly when out clubbing
30th Mar 10 09:03

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Hey Davey. I think we both need to respect Rick and Tab. Sometimes work dresscodes don't allow staff to have their ties loose and their top buttons noticeably undone.

However, I think that there is a always a way around this. Rick and Tab, if you wear spread collared shirts and always tie a windsor knot, then I think that you can keep the top button open. In my opinion a windsor knot WITHOUT the top button undone doesn't look right, as the top part of the tie can get 'lost' under the collar wings. It's much better - imo - to have the top button undone and the tie pulled tightish.

Davey: how loose did you have your tie on your wedding day? Not too loose, I hope. LOL
30th Mar 10 05:03

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You guys always talk about having your top buttons undoen like it is not allowed or you will gte told off, that seems weird as in oour office we come in with our ties loose 1 - 2 buttons undoen large knot small knot no one seems to mind. I have never fastened my top button with my tie neve at school or work even at my wedding I do not see the point even with the proper size collar it is uncomfortable as for wearing bars never no way
30th Mar 10 04:03

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My work can involve meeting clients, so the accepted dresscode is to keep the collar fastened. None of us loosen-up in work, only afterwards or occasionally at lunchtime if it's good weather outside. Oh, and if we go for a haircut, of course! I wear normal or semi-spread collars mostly and do 4-i-H or Windsor knots.
30th Mar 10 02:03

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Tab

If I'm wearing a tab collar then I use a small four in hand knot, with the top button done up - not much point leaving it undone. With other collar styles I use a bigger knot usually, but not always, a windsor. Loose ties are frowned upon in my office so the collar is generally buttoned. With a biggish knot I can get away with leaving the top button undone if the tie is pushed up all the way. The minute I'm out of the door I pull down the tie and undo my top button anyway
30th Mar 10 12:03

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Tab and Rick: do you normally wear your shirts and ties with the top button done up? What knot do you wear?
30th Mar 10 11:03

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You really need to open the collar though so the Barber can get the towel round the neck . Preferably 2 buttons open. In addition , I usually unfasten my cufflinks and fold my cuffs back so I am comfortable.
30th Mar 10 11:03

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Hi Rick - it's like joining a group of guys with loose ties when you're buttoned up at the collar, it makes you need to unfasten too. The barber I go to just starts tucking a towel into your collar whether you've loosened or not. I've seen a few guys who have not unbuttoned get the message pretty quickly.
30th Mar 10 10:03

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Hi Tab, the other hairdressers (barbers, actually) that I sometimes go to is run by two young blokes whose standard uniform seems to be plain white shirts with slim black ties. As they both always wear the ties loose, it's a kind of a sign to the customers. I've never seen a guy go in and wait to be asked to loosen-up. Most arrive in that state, the others loosen-up as soon as they sit down in the waiting area.
29th Mar 10 09:03

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Surely it's common sense to open your top and perhaps second buttons if you're going to the hairdresser. It will then allow the hairdresser to tuck the overall and any towels necessary. Also, if you are having your hair washed (backwards) it takes the strain off the collar and also the neck if the top couple of buttons are open.

Anyway, I never do up my top button just do a windsor knot and pull my tie tight. It's much more comfortable.
29th Mar 10 06:03

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Rick - you're right, this guy should have thought ahead a bit and made sure his collar was unbuttoned before he sat down. I usually wear tabs with a snap fastener but I've got one with a small button on the tab. This is real problem to do up and undo and I hope the guy you had to wait for wasn't struggling with one of these as he would be there for ever. A friend of mine who worked at a hairdresser said she was surprised how often she had to ask guys to loosen their ties and open their collars so she could tuck towels round their necks
29th Mar 10 05:03

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Well, Mr. Tab, and others who wear tab collars ... an office and mate and I went for the old Friday lunchtime haircut last week. One other guy was waiting before us - he was wearing a tab collar and when his turn came and the barber asked him to unfasten his top button it took him ages messing about with the tab and all that. My mate and I were wearing ordinary collars (as we always do), so it wasn't a problem for us. The barber (calls himself a stylist these days) says he hates tab collars precisely because it takes guys much longer to prepare for the sheet and towels. Stupid of the first bloke, though, he should have loosened his collar while he was waiting.
29th Mar 10 02:03

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Excellent look Tab. Yes, white spread collar shirt and blue tie. Tie is slightly loose and top button open.
28th Mar 10 05:03

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I have tried tab collars and love them just dont have any pics of me in them
28th Mar 10 04:03

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Tab

Is that what you are wearing HL? FYI I may be in a tab collar but the tie is down a bit and the top button has not been fastened yet
28th Mar 10 04:03

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Tab: I reckon for today you ought to be in a spread collar shirt and windsor knotted tie. (Just to break up from the normal weekday to the weekend!)
28th Mar 10 02:03

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Nice look Vintage Fan. Have you tried tab collars? Similar look to collar pin and work well with skinny ties. I'm wearing one today
28th Mar 10 02:03

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hi collar bar boy I would love a job where I have to dress smartly then I could where my collar bar more do you have any pictures on a hosting site like photobucket of you I would love to see some pics of others in collar bar you can see mine by following link http://s417.photobucket.com/home/brendonbulb/index
27th Mar 10 06:03

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Tight Collar

Have recently bought some really nice slim fit shirts from TM Lewin. Spread collar. Two white, one grey stripe and one blue and pink stripe.
26th Mar 10 04:03

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SImilar in that I like white and light blue. I also have a couple of light pink. I especially like these textured double-cuffed shirts nowadays.
26th Mar 10 11:03

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Tab

Generally white or light blue. Slim fit preferred. I like black too - but not for work.
26th Mar 10 10:03

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Nice look, Tab. Much prefer that look. What colour shirts do you wear?
25th Mar 10 07:03

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Normally the top button is done up. Sometimes like you I leave it undone with the tie just a little loose. It's a bit more comfortable and not obvious.
25th Mar 10 05:03

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And if you go with a windsor, you keep your shirt top button open?
25th Mar 10 03:03

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I wear tab collars through choice. I think they are a distinctive look. It is important to get the tie right though. It needs to be narrow and the knot has to be small. A windsor does not work. If I wear a semi-cutaway collar - which is my second preference - I go with a windsor.
25th Mar 10 02:03

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Do you wear tab collars through choice, or because it's the dresscode for your particular office.

I prefer button collared shirts, and always wear a windsor knot tie with a hidden undone top button underneath.
25th Mar 10 02:03

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Most of my tab collar shirts have a single collar button but I have a couple with 2 buttons. The 2 button collars are on the high side. I can't say I always loosen after work although the double button collar has to get loosened!
25th Mar 10 02:03

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Guessing you have more than one button to undo if you're wearing a tab collar. Do you always loosen after work or do you ever stay tight ?
25th Mar 10 02:03

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Never tried collar pins but regularly wear tab collars. I think they look smart but I wouldn't say they were comfortable. Loosening your tie is not allowed in office hours so I have to wait until I'm out of the door before pulling down the knot and undoing the top button.
25th Mar 10 02:03

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Do you like wearing a collar bar, collar bar boy. I guess from your nic that perhaps you do? I would hate it, as it would restrict neck movement.
25th Mar 10 10:03

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Sorry,error in last sentence! should say not enforced at the end! Whoops!
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Hi Vintage fan. The dress code is VERY strict in my office.Probably because my boss is female and there are nine lads in dept.She likes to show who,s boss.One or two of the lads are extremely fashion orientated and strictly speaking set the standard in the office.It doesnt help when they enjoy,almost get off,at having their collar and tie done incredibily tight and finished off with a collar bar. Just becasue the 'female' loves it, we all have to follow suit. we get random collar checks, with her tugging the collar from behind to check everything is fastened. whenever we come face to face in the office, we can often be talking about work and she'll always straighten and tighten my tie.So to me ,wearing a collar bar restricts my neck movement and ought to be worn sensibly and enforced!
24th Mar 10 11:03

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i've just discovered this site how amazing. As for the topic I think dress code in some clubs can be a good thing but only if enforced all week round and not just at weekends.. I've read all the posts ive tried collar bar on the occastion I have to dress smart I find them very good I prefer the clip ones better to the pin ones but there both good. To any one forced to wear them surley if the office had the right air con it shouldn't be that bad
24th Mar 10 09:03

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Tight Collar

Seems like it's just you and me on this blog HL. Still need you to sort me out sometime.
17th Mar 10 06:03

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How loose

Stay as you are, but just loosen up a bit. That's my advice if you're not going home first.
17th Mar 10 11:03

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Tight Collar

Out tonight after work. Should I go home first and change or just dress down/loosen up a bit ? Keep tie on or not ? Does the jacket stay on ? What do you guys do ?
17th Mar 10 10:03

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stuarts8

Loose with the top Button open , with the button showing, Shirt cuffs, cufflinks worn undone with the cuffs folded back twice.
22nd Feb 10 04:02

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How loose

Yes, Stuart. Obvious, but not too scruffy. How do you wear your shirt and tie?
19th Feb 10 07:02

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stuarts8

I quite agree with How Loose. Although I think it should be obvious that the top button is open.
19th Feb 10 07:02

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How loose

No, no. The best style is spread collar shirt - windsor knot tie and top button open with tie pulled up tightish.
18th Feb 10 10:02

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ScrewAuthority182

Screw Night Clubs or bars they're a waste of time and anyone who refuses me entry can go to hell as I'll go to the academy instead where you can wear whatever you wish. Screw these estabishments they're all about comforming and at the academy you only pay £5.00 - 15.00 to see a Band play . Someone tells me how to dress they'll never have my custome again I refuse to be told how to dress and if some jumped up ape at a door doesn't approve well then f them
15th Feb 10 01:02

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Beau Brummel

Hello ducky,any nice boys willing to show me how to do a triple 69 windsor?I live in Manchester & need some sound advice.
8th Feb 10 12:02

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I always use a windsor knot, as I wear spread collar (not cutaway) shirts.
31st Jan 10 08:01

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GP

I have both.

Generally I use a windsor, but occasionally a four-in-hand.
31st Jan 10 08:01

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Sounds as if we're pretty similar.

Do you wear cufflink shirts or button cuffs? What about your tie knot. What knot do you normally use?
31st Jan 10 08:01

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GP

I much prefer to keep my sleeves down.

Looseness wise, maybe a couple of centimetres at work, nothing more.
31st Jan 10 08:01

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What about your sleeves? Do you keep your cufflinks in or do you normally roll / fold your sleeves? I keep mine down.

How tight/loose do you have your tie at work?
31st Jan 10 07:01

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GP

It varies from day to day, sometimes I loosen, sometimes I remove and sometimes (although rarely), I keep it as its been through the day.

I always take my jacket off, but don't tend to put anything else on instead.
31st Jan 10 07:01

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Definitely plain coloured shirts.

I normally stay in my work clothes, but loosen my tie after work. I substitute my suit jacket for a v-neck normally. You?
31st Jan 10 07:01

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GP

I think it's the way to go, plain colour shirts tend to look smarter as well.

Do you like to loosen further/remove your tie after work, or do you prefer to keep it the same?
31st Jan 10 04:01

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Similar colours to me, GP, although I also have a light lilac shirt that I have bought recently. My ties are patterned too.
30th Jan 10 07:01

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Professor Samuel-Nutkins (OBE)

I am a professor of Quantum physics.This science can also be equated to loose or tied collars.Further to my previous post,I can only reiterate that it is a factual state of mind dependent on the individual.The human psyche does not condone the moral practice of these two extremes.Tight or loose collars are a matter of fact.This is open to debate.Unfortunately,I have no particular experience in this field.
In the interests of modern science,I am looking for further advice on this delicate subject.If there are any willing participants who wish to equate themselves in helping me with my work then perhaps they could advise me next time I am up north.I am always open to suggestions.
30th Jan 10 12:01

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GP

I tend to stick to fairly basic coloured shirts (blue, white, black, grey) and then wear more patterned/colourful ties.
30th Jan 10 09:01

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GP: Wow, someone who thinks like me. I'm exactly the same. I wear spread collar shirts (not cutaways, or pointed collars) and do my tie in a windsor knot, leaving the top button one and tie ever so slightly loosened.

What colour shirts do you wear, GP?
29th Jan 10 07:01

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GP

Interesting debate going on here, I wear a suit, shirt and tie to work every day as it seems pretty much everyone who posts here does, and personally I never have my collar done up.

Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I have my tie dangling around my neck like some kind of medallion, I just find it much more comfortable to leave the collar undone and tie loosened slightly.
29th Jan 10 07:01

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How loose

Dick: I mentioned 'concience' in my post of 09.14

I stand corrected regarding your final sentence.
29th Jan 10 12:01

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Dick Shunnery

How about "concience".

The semi-literate "Professor" is a fine example of how honours are bestowed today. It seems apparent that OBE really does stand for "Other B****r's Efforts". He hasn't lernt to write English proper himself.

Oh, and while I'm here, poster "How loose", rules of English grammar require the adverb to be placed *after* the verb, hence "unable to correctly spell" is quite wrong.
29th Jan 10 12:01

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How loose

Hyphens missing after 'self' governing and evaluation.

Apostrophes missing 'today's'

Heck, and he's an order of the british empire!
29th Jan 10 11:01

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No I don't need glasses or a dictionary, however I didn't want to embarrass him too much by revealing errors in:
'conceived' and 'irrelevant'.

That's just after a quick skim through. No doubt there are others which will be addressed in a subsequent post.
29th Jan 10 10:01

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MikeP

If that is the only mistake you found in that blathering, then you need new reading glasses, or a dictionary.
29th Jan 10 09:01

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How loose

Upon reading your post, my learned friend, it is so very disappointing to discover that you are unable to correctly spell the word 'conscience'.
29th Jan 10 09:01

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Professor Norman Samuel-Nutkin

The relevance of an undone collar cannot be condoned in todays modern society.It is a factual state of mind dependent on the individual.It is concieved that the ultimate synopsis of this artifact betrays the concience of the individual depending on the moral attitudes towards the particular situation in general.To discern between a spread or loose collar is irrelevent.Therefore it is not with hindsight that a distinct alter ego remains.
One must encompass two extremes of the modern psyche.That we are all individualistic to a certain degree.The inner sanctum must be co-ordinated with that of the inner concience.That we are all didgeridoos but not of self functioning individuals.This is of minimal importance and irrelevent in todays modern society.
The condoning of moral practice must not be confused with that of self governing liberalist attitudes.It is merely a form of self evaluation.To discredit the materialistic attitudes of the masses is counter productive to ones own means.Tight or loose,that is the moral question.That is a matter of personal debate.So if you are undecided then please be frugal.It is a blessing.That I am sane and you are not.
28th Jan 10 11:01

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Ah, I wear a spread collar all of the time, and so therefore do a windsor. When you do a windsor, do you normally leave your shirt top button open and pull the tie tight?
27th Jan 10 07:01

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Rory

Depends on the shirt style. With spread collar always do a Windsor, but with plain collar I sometimes go with a standard knot.
27th Jan 10 07:01

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How loose

Hey Rory: welcome to our debate. Do you do a windsor tie knot?
27th Jan 10 12:01

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How loose

Nope. Suit, nice shirt and tie done in a windsor knot with top button undone. Tie pulled tightish is the best way to go.
24th Jan 10 06:01

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Danny S

Anybody out there agree that a buttoned collar and tie look smart with a nice suit?
24th Jan 10 05:01

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stuarts8

Sorry tieguy. it is more convenient to leave them in . When you want to roll the sleeves down you only have to roll them down and do them up rather than have to fiddle around putting them back in. This is especially so with chain Links.
18th Jan 10 09:01

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tieguy

To the fellow who seems to insist on rolling up his shirt sleeves and leaving his cuff links in: what on earth is the point? Either wear the links properly or take the things out and be done with it.
17th Jan 10 09:01

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How loose

Not if you keep the tie quite tight. The windsor knot is best with the undone top button anyway.
17th Jan 10 04:01

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you look like a drunkard with an open collar and loose tie
17th Jan 10 04:01

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That is so NOT true if you wear a windsor knot tie.
17th Jan 10 01:01

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Danny S

I just want to look smart and think a buttoned collar looks better than a loose one.
17th Jan 10 01:01

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stuarts8

Hello Danny S.There is no skill required in either doing up or undoing the top button of your shirt!(:.
If wearing a tie, simply pull the tie down to the second button of your shirt, push the button through the button hole and your Collar is open.
In reverse to to the top button up and close the collar and pull the tie up. But why would you want to dress uncomfortably with the top button done up?
15th Jan 10 09:01

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Danny S

Hi Alan, I always wear my tie loose, but want to wear my collar done properly, only no one I work with buttons up. Do u ever get to newcastle upon tyne?
14th Jan 10 11:01

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Danny S-Yes,I should very much like to help you in this delicate matter.Taking pride in ones personal appearance is an important attribute and fastening ones top button is a skill sadly lacking in this modern age.This is a very serious matter and should not be taken lightly.A mans pride lies solely on his skill at fastening and undoing his top button.I think this subject should be debated next time I am in Manchester on buisness.
13th Jan 10 11:01

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Danny S

Anybody in the north east who can help me fasten my top button?
10th Jan 10 11:01

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stuarts8

Do any of you guys wear cufflinks? The other thing you can do is undo the cufflinks(Don`t remove them from the shirt) and fold the cuffs back. I like the look and feel more comfortable whilst still wearing my cufflinks.
5th Jan 10 06:01

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How loose

Good to see this site springing back to life. I think that those who have their top buttons done up and ties tight ought to make a NY resolution to start loosening. My tie is normally tightish, but my top button is always open. Like the look and it feels far more comfortable.
5th Jan 10 11:01

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Tight Collar

My experience is also similar to yours Joe and Cityboy. Always wear my tie tight and top button fastened even after work. Feel awkward loosening it. Suppose the only way is for someone to do it for me like Joe's experience. Anyone else had someone loosen and undo for them or been encouraged so much that they did ?
5th Jan 10 10:01

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Cityboy

Joe, my experience is similar to yours, in that some of the guys in my office occasionally joke that I always have my top-button done up and tie pulled up. I have only once loosened it and everyone found this very amusing! I certainly felt more comfortable with it undone, but feel too a bit ackward to go around the office with my top button undone and tie loosened.
5th Jan 10 09:01

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stuarts8

I just said that he may feel more comfortable and that I liked the look . He said he would do it too in that case. And he agreed that it was a cool look.
5th Jan 10 08:01

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Guys in my office were always going on at me for wearing my tie tight and top button done up. I preferred it like this and never loosened my tie even when I got home. One afternoon I was carrying a load of files and had my hands full when a colleague walked past me and pulled down my tie and undid my top button. It took me by surprise and there was nothing I could do to stop it. I found it was much more comfortable to wear my top button undone and now I usually get rounding to loosening most days although I am still a little bit cautious
4th Jan 10 04:01

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Tight Collar

So do I Stuart. Always feel awkward loosening my tie. How did you pursuade the other guy to do it ?
4th Jan 10 03:01

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oldgrumpywoman

I wonder if you lovely boys could just "hint" at what all of this code ( I know it"s code ;-) ) Means. It would put a little eletric spark in a place where it would be welcome ;-)
4th Jan 10 10:01

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Cityboy

Stuart, I too need to be pursuaded to loosen my collar and tie at work, as I always keep my top button done up!
4th Jan 10 10:01

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stuarts8

Yay! I have persuaded someone to wear the tie pulled down with the Top Button open!
My first success in this regard!
3rd Jan 10 08:01

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stuarts8

No, I`m sorry , shirt collars should be open with the tie loosened at work.
It is more comfortable and I believe helps improve productivity if comfortably dressed.
21st Dec 09 07:12

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loose at home

I usually wait until I get home from work before loosening my tie, but one day last summer I got caught in a torrential downpour on the way home & was completely soaked to the skin in my suit & tie. It was a hot day & I felt nice & cool in my wet clothes but my collar felt very tight & clinging so I had to loosen the tie & undo the collar before I got home.
21st Dec 09 04:12

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Tight tie

I totally agree with knotted guy. Anyone required to wear a shirt and tie for work should wear it properly.....Fastened,very tight and straight! Unfastened looks very unprofessional. Im not sure about Olly off the X factor but I think we should take a leaf out of Vernon kaye's book...he's always immaculate.So all you unfastened guys out there, do as you're told and get them collars done up!
21st Dec 09 01:12

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Tight Collar

It was far too cold in Manchester last night to loosen up after work. Did get it loosened for me later in the evening though :-)
17th Dec 09 12:12

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stuarts8

Hi Collared Mark. You should keep the top button open. I actually think it is unhealthy for it to be done up. Do you wear cufflinks , Collared mark?
17th Dec 09 08:12

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Collared Mark

Tight Collar, def loosen up after work, the general look I see is top button undone and tie pulled down to the 2nd button. After getting collaring after collaring in the office and made to do my button up, I yank it much looser - top 2 buttons undone and tie down nearer the 3rd button (tho not if theres a collar feeling bouncer around!)
Stuart, I am persisting in keeping my collar undone in the office - think its worth it despite the collarings from the boss. What you think about bouncers - you think they victimise guys in shirt and tie - particularly like us with really loose collars and ties?
16th Dec 09 02:12

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Tight Collar

How loose do people go ? Is it better to keep the tie on or take it off ?
16th Dec 09 08:12

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stuarts8

You should loosen it , Tight Collar . it is a more casual look!
16th Dec 09 04:12

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Tight Collar

Any of you been going out for drinks after work ? Am meeting some people today after work. Should I keep my tie tight, loosen it or take if off all together ? What do you guys do ? Does anyone stay tight ?
15th Dec 09 08:12

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Tight Collar

BB - how come you have to work with a loose top shirt button all day. What would happen if you fastened it ? When were you thinking of meeting in Manchester ?
10th Dec 09 08:12

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Beau Brummel

Tight collar-Shame you are having the same problem with your top shirt button.I can offer some advice about collars & ties having had plenty of experience,but unfortunately,shirt buttons are not my forte.I feel totally inadequate having to work with a loose top shirt button all day in my line of profession.I need a well experienced lad to help teach me some good dress code.Fortunately,I shall be in Manchester this weekend.I can meet outside Costa Coffee at Manchester Piccadilly station.Any takers please?
10th Dec 09 01:12

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Tight Collar

Who was the message for Pete ? me or BB ? He's in London and I'm in Manchester. and what 'deed' are you referring to ?
9th Dec 09 07:12

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Tight Collar

Shame you're not in Manchester. Having the same problem myself. Need some assistance and advice. Are there any Manchester lads out there ?
8th Dec 09 05:12

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Beau Brummel

I am having trouble with my top shirt button.I think it might be working its way lose.Is there a nice fine young dandy lad out there who can help me with some advice?Can meet ouside London Liverpool St station after work.
8th Dec 09 12:12

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stuarts8

Collared Mark, I quite disagree with Collared boy. You need to find some way to have the top button unfastened.
6th Dec 09 05:12

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Collared MArk, get that top button fastened and do as your told. Olly from X Factor is always buttoned to the top, only way to go.
6th Dec 09 04:12

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Collared Mark, hauled you away by the scruff of your collar?

Next time you visit that club, flood the bogs and stand back and laugh as the Big boy bouncers mop it up.
1st Dec 09 10:12

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Collared Mark

Hi, I have problems like some of you guys, where my boss is always telling me to 'do up my collar' - I have to wear a smart shirt and tie to work but like to have my top button undone and tie loosed (ideally, down at the 2nd button) but when I do this, the boss gives me a bollocking and usually literally tugs me into his office by the collar and makes me do it up - last week, he had me shook up by my collar for about 5 mins telling me off, think he actually gets a kick out of it. Anyone else get rough treatment like this for not doing their button up?

Also, on the subject of clubs, I find that if you wear a shirt and tie in the club, particularly with the collar undone, bouncers will collar you if theres any trouble no matter what - a couple of weeks ago, I went to a club after work and some guy (who was wearing a t shirt) started pulling me about by the scruff of the neck taking the p*ss out of my loose collar and tie, and the bouncer hauled me away from him out by the back of my collar and frogmarched me out (nearly tore the collar he strunched it up so roughly). Anyone else have this hassle also?
1st Dec 09 01:12

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While I think it important for a dress code ,because believe it or not we work better when we are dressed properly ,it is better to concentrate on what you are working on, rather than the latest fashion.
30th Nov 09 09:11

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stuarts8

I do not think it reasonable for employers to force their employees to dress uncomfortably.
To get higher productiviity it is important for employees to dress comfortably. To that end ties should be able to be pulled down wit the Collar open and if necessary cuflinks undone and cuffs folded back.
However different when seeing clients. I think. Sleeves need to be down and ties done up although even in this case the top button could be left undone but well covered by the tie knot.
27th Nov 09 06:11

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Yes Stuart I left them in. I did not roll the sleeves, just turned back the cuffs and then pushed them up to my elbow
27th Nov 09 03:11

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stuarts8

Hi Simon. you need to be comfortable when your are working. hence I believe it is essential to have the tie loosened, cufflinks undone and the cuffs folded back.
The one time that you folded your sleeves back, did you leave the cufflinks in ?
26th Nov 09 07:11

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Hi Stuart
You are lucky to be able to work with your tie loosened, your top button undone and your cuffs turned back. I work in a law firm which is very stuffy and you hardly ever see anyone take off their jacket. I like wearing formal clothes to work and am always in a suit with a high collar shirt with double cuffs. Because I wear a high collar I use a big windsor knot. Although I'm happy to go along with the rules when seeing clients when I am at my desk I would like to pull down my tie a couple of inches, loosen off my shirt collar and pull back my sleeves. When I joined the firm I did this once and a colleague came over and said that it was not acceptable. Since then the most I do is undo my top button behind the tie knot without pulling it down so that it feels less restrictive. I notice that most of my colleagues loosen their ties and undo their top buttons the minute they leave the building
26th Nov 09 05:11

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stuarts8

How is everyone wearing their ties this week and are any members wearing their shirtlsleeves rolled up and if so , have you removed your cufflinks?
24th Nov 09 07:11

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stuarts8

I am wearing today, Beige Chinos, sky blue double cuff shirts, cufflinks in However cuffs folded back as it is warm. ( I am in NZ).
22nd Nov 09 07:11

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stuarts8

I enjoy wearing my tie pulled down to the second button. To be perfectly honest I think its unhealthy for the top button to be done up. I also think it looks nice and you need to be comfortable while working.
Another Thing I like doing which is related is that I always wear double cuff shirts and that if it is a hot day I unfasten the cufflinks and fold the cuffs back . I do not remove the Links wondered if anyone else does the same?
21st Nov 09 10:11

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stuarts8

No I don`t undo the second button, I use the Normal style what ever that is. Not into tieing flashy Knots, How Loose. Do you you ever roll your French cuffs up?
21st Nov 09 10:11

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Hi Stuart, do you have the second button open too? What style tie knot do you use?

I always wear double cuffed shirts too, but leave the cuffs down whilst working.
21st Nov 09 09:11

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stuarts8

I enjoy wearing my tie pulled down to the second button. To be perfectly honest I think its unhealthy for the top button to be done up. I also think it looks nice and you need to be comfortable while working.
Another Thing I like doing which is related is that I always wear double cuff shirts and that if it is a hot day I unfasten the cufflinks and fold the cuffs back . I do not remove the Links wondered if anyone else does the same?
21st Nov 09 09:11

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Me too. Seems no point to me in getting changed. What have you been wearing today?
19th Nov 09 07:11

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looseandcomfortable

I wear a lot of white or plain colour shirts. When I get home I tend to take off the suit jacket & loosen the tie a bit more rather than change my clothes. Unless I'm going out again I stay like that all evening.
19th Nov 09 07:11

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How loose

At work I always tie a full windsor, but never do my top button up. I find that if I position my tie tightish, then my collar doesn't seem to move throughout the day to give a sloppy appearance.

At the end of the day I normally pull it slightly looser to give a 'day's over' appearance. What colour shirts / what style shirts do you wear?
18th Nov 09 11:11

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looseandcomfortable

Hi How Loose, I use a full windsor knot for wide ties & a half windsor knot for slim ties as a full windsor doesn't work so well with slim ties. I would fasten the collar at times like job interviews when I want to be sure that the collar doesn't move but it would be undone immediately afterwards & maybe the tie loosened.
18th Nov 09 10:11

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How loose

Nice looseandcomfortable. Glad we wear our ties the same way, Do you wear a windsor knot?

When would be an occasion to wear your top button done up? I never do. Even if I'm going to a smart event, I would then just pull my tie up. No one can tell and because the top button is undone, it's more comfortable and stylish in my opinion.
16th Nov 09 08:11

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looseandcomfortable

Hi How Loose. I do sometimes wear a wider collar & wider tie but I prefere the more modern fashionable look mostly now. When I wear a wider tie I wear it in the same way with the tie pulled up or loosened but with the collar nearly always undone.
16th Nov 09 12:11

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Tight Collar

I'm the same as knotted guy. Should I stay tight or loosen ? Glad this post is running again.
15th Nov 09 10:11

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How loose

Hey looseandcomfortable. My kind of look. :) Do you wear normal collar/ties as well?
14th Nov 09 07:11

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looseandcomfortable

I love the slimmer collar with a skinny tie & nearly always wear the tie loose with the collar undone. Looks good & is comfortable. When I do have to pull the tie up I leave the collar undone as it is much more comfortable than fastening it up & it still looks smart.
14th Nov 09 06:11

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knotted guy

i'm buttoned up sir!!! Collar locked tie tight, looking smart
13th Nov 09 04:11

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Tight Collar

Where is everybody ? What a shame this post seems to have died.
12th Nov 09 04:11

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Knottedguy

I love buttoning my collar, with or without a tie.
11th Oct 09 09:10

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Loosenedcollartie

NO need to travel to get your top button undone if you have a branch of a shirt shop like Lewin, Tyrwhitt etc. nearby. Go in and start browsing the shirts and an assistant will come and ask if you need any help, for instance, do you know your collar size. You say you are not sure and the assistant says he will measure you. The chances are he will not be able to do this from the outside if you have a reasonably high collar and a tie with a biggish knot. What has happened to me on a few occasions is that the assistant then loosens your tie and carefully undoes your collar so that he can get the tape measure inside. When he's finished he will usually do up the button and tighten the tie. On another occasion I was asked to undo my top button but made out that it was a struggle to get it unfastened and the assistant asked if he could do if for me
5th Oct 09 05:10

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Tight Collar

Same but in Manchester. Pity I can't help BB. Too far away. Surely we should be able to find someone to offer ????
5th Oct 09 11:10

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Beau Brummel

I need someone to help me undo my top shirt button.Its a bit too tight.Can meet up in London anytime,anyplace,anywhere.Any takers?
4th Oct 09 10:10

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Tight Collar

Do hope not although it does seem to be just you and me HL. You still in touch with Stephen. Can't we encourage him to post too ?
1st Oct 09 03:10

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How loose

I've no idea what's happened, but I suppose the 'post' has 'died of natural causes'.
1st Oct 09 03:10

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How loose

Nice look on Friday, TC. Also in striped purply tie, with a pale pink shirt.
28th Sep 09 03:09

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Tight Collar

Not yet. Lol. How did you get Stephen to undo his ? Was he easy to pursuade ? Am in navy suit, purple shirt spread collar, striped tie double windsor. About to go home now. Glad you posted HL.
25th Sep 09 04:09

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How loose

Hey... was thinking the same thing. Nothing's up mate. You doing OK.

Stephen's on holiday for a week. You plucked up courage to undo your top button yet?
25th Sep 09 03:09

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Tight Collar

Where is everyone ? Been quiet too long. HL what's up ?
25th Sep 09 02:09

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Andrew

I don't believe a word of all that, How loose. What a swizz. You've turned this into Weekly Tripe!
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Dunno bout you grumpy but I for one can smell the lurve in the air!!!!! Oooh, I love a bit of romance I do, and they'd look very smart in wedding attire methinks!!!
18th Sep 09 09:09

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I'd like a group where we all meet up and fasten each others top buttons!
18th Sep 09 08:09

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There's definitely some man lurve in the air! Not sure about "he did the deed" though, could be waaaay too much information! But I do like a good wedding.
18th Sep 09 05:09

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Aww, I think it's dead sweet!!! Oooh, this could be the first gripers wedding!!!!!!!! I'm off too buy a hat I am.
18th Sep 09 05:09

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Tight Collar

So how did you get him to do it ? How loose did he go ? Stephen did you fasten again later or stay loose ?
18th Sep 09 04:09

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We spent almost 90 mins together, going into a Caffe Nero. (Thanks for the latte, Stephen.)

It was great to talk, and to find out that we share interest in quite a lot of topics. He was dressed very smartly, in a pin-stripe suit, white long-sleeved shirt and a red patterned tie, also sporting a grey pullover.

After gentle persuasion, towards the end of our time in the coffee shop, he did the deed! Looked much more relaxed, and actually smarter, if that can be possible.
18th Sep 09 07:09

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Dying to know how the meet went ? When can I join you ? Also need help
17th Sep 09 09:09

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Victoria is find how loose. Which escalator, the one leading up to the shopping area near gatwick express?
17th Sep 09 03:09

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I know embankment station very well stephen, Im always there thursdays, very well Known to all the boys;-)
5ft 10 slim blond, always carry the magazine private eye visible in my Left Hand.
Feel free ; - )
17th Sep 09 03:09

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I thought we said Victoria Maint line Station, next to the escalators, is that OK?
17th Sep 09 03:09

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Navy pinstripe suit, white shirt, red tie and black brogues. Not too familiar with Embankment station, but will wait around entrance area.
17th Sep 09 03:09

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What are you wearing, so that I can recognise you...
17th Sep 09 02:09

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Yes, I can make it as arranged earlier. Look forward to it.
17th Sep 09 02:09

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Stephen: just wondering if it was on for this evening? No worries if you can't make it.
17th Sep 09 02:09

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Gainsborough lad.

Got into a night club in 1984 with forbidden trainers, the bouncers wern't looking
16th Sep 09 10:09

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Tight Collar

Did post a few things but no-one responded - lol :-(
16th Sep 09 10:09

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Wow: this room has been silent for more than 24 hours!
16th Sep 09 05:09

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We will get it sorted, Andrew. I promise that. He's not going anywhere until he's comfortable going 'tie a little loose and top button open'.

No, it's not short for How(ard), the original question I posed yonks back was 'how loose can you loosen your tie without it looking too scruffy?'
15th Sep 09 12:09

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You're losing me on this one, Stephen and How (is that short for Howard?) Loose. If your work colleagues can't persuade you to loosen your tie, yet you go to pubs and are maybe the only male with a fastened collar, what more can anyone do? You said you've undone your top button a couple of times in work, so what's the problem with afterwork?
Hope you both manage to get this sorted. Look forward to reading your reports after you meet - two p.o.v. should be interesting!
15th Sep 09 12:09

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Tight Collar

Be interested to know how Stephen gets on. Might even encourage me to loosen up.
15th Sep 09 12:09

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Nah, by Thursday that will be your adopted look. It will then be natural for you to loosen your tie.
15th Sep 09 11:09

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Stephen

Never mind Andrew, perhaps you could make it to London another time to encourage me to loosen my collar and tie after work!
15th Sep 09 10:09

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Tight Collar

Gutted I can't make it. Need encouragement too. Am Manchester based. Just think LC you could have had a double although perhaps Stephen and I would be too strong willed for you.
14th Sep 09 09:09

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Mr Hicks

grumpyoldwoman,
You have made several comments today. I must remind you that you already have 719 comments to your tally!
Please limit yourself to no more than three comments per day, to allow other users to keep the site fresh and interesting.
Thankyou.
14th Sep 09 08:09

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Hi Andrew: Shame you can't make it, I could have had moral support! haha. We will report back: see how long it will take Stephen to unbutton....

And no, g'o'w, this is NOT a g*y dating site.
14th Sep 09 08:09

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I thought this was a gripe site, not a g*y dating service. I hope your date goes well, but spare us the details, please!
14th Sep 09 06:09

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Hi again, Stephen,
Surprised to read that you stay fastened-up when all your mates are tieless or loose after work.Anyway, it looks like you've found someone to give you the kind of encouragement you desire, so I hope all goes well. Afraid I can't reach Victoria by that time, so am unable to witness events unfold (or should I say unbutton). I hope you both report back with full details.
Have fun.
14th Sep 09 05:09

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Leaving work now, so you post tomorrow or Wednesday to confirm that the arrrangements are OK.
14th Sep 09 05:09

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Yes, Thursday is good for me - same time and place.
14th Sep 09 05:09

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Sorry, Wednesday no, good. Thursday's better. is that OK for you, same time and place?
14th Sep 09 05:09

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Wednesday at Victoria Station, by the escalator going up to the upper level shops, at 6 pm OK? (Near the Gatwick Express)
14th Sep 09 05:09

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Stephen

Afterwork sounds better. Yes, we could meet for something to eat. I finish work at 5.30pm. How about this Wednesday or Thursday at 6pm?
14th Sep 09 05:09

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OK....sounds good to me. I'm 6' 5" and slim. Sounds like a good idea to meet outside Embankment. That's midway.

Day and time? Or what about after work and go for something to eat?
14th Sep 09 04:09

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Stephen

I'm 5ft10, slimish, and Mediterranean looking. We could meet somewhere inbetween, like just outside Embankment station. I would be wearing a pinstriped suit, shirt and tie (of course)!

What do you think? Any other suggestions?
14th Sep 09 04:09

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That question re. slim or slightly larger was referring to what style shirt and tie knot would suit.
14th Sep 09 04:09

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Work near Blackfriars station, so not too far. Are you slim or slightly larger?

Since we're near, we must do lunch one day. How would I recognise you?
14th Sep 09 04:09

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Lunch would be good. I work in Victoria. You? I think that what type of knot and shirt collar you wear depends on what style suits your face shape. A four in hand tie knot and point collars suit me, though I am willing to experiment.
14th Sep 09 04:09

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Well, if you work in London, it can be arranged! We could meet up one lunchtime for a spot of lunch..... you're probably miles away, though.

Four in hand? There is no substance to that knot at all, so you'd be far better off doing a windsor. I'd also take you shopping for some different collar styled shirts.
14th Sep 09 04:09

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Thanks HL, I'd gladly take you up on your offer, as I could definitely do with your assistance to sort out my collar and tie for me, as everyone at works thinks I'm posh because I never undo my top-button in the office or at work dos. I normally do a bird in hand knot, I think it's called, and wear point collar shirts.
14th Sep 09 04:09

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I would do it gladly, and get your tie fixed into a great windsor knot. What style knot do you normally wear? What about shirts?

We were asked to wear smart, so we both went in shirts and ties. Mine was loose, and James's was tight, so in the car I loosened his tie considerably and undid his top button. Was fine about it, and normaly now if I see him at a posh do, he will have his top button open.
14th Sep 09 04:09

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Well HL, I don't know how to do a windsor anyway so it would be great if someone fixed my collar and tie for me. How comes someone was wearing a tie at a stag do? How did he react to you taking it off?
14th Sep 09 04:09

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Right... where can we meet? haha. I would do it for you, yes. I think on only one occasion have I undone someone's tie, and that was my cousin's on a stag night a few months ago.

Usually offering encouragement works. If I encourage you, will you do it?
14th Sep 09 04:09

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HL, I think I need someone to loosen my tie and undo my top-button for me. Have you ever done this to any of your work mates before, or just offered verbal encouragement to loosen up?
14th Sep 09 04:09

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TC: do it now. And then report back. How does it feel?
14th Sep 09 03:09

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Hey fellas: great to see Andrew joining in. What style tie knot do you use? I tie a windsor, and then I find it looks great with the top button open, keeping the tie pulled tightish. You should try it. I then go for the loosened look after work. What style shirts do you use. What style tie knots too?

Stephen, I did say I would work on you.... you need encouragement. Here's the place... haha
14th Sep 09 03:09

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Stephen. I'm exactly the same as you. Wear suit and tie every day for work. Always have my tie fastened, even in the evening, or I change clothes completely. Feel awkward loosening my tie. Also need encouragement.
14th Sep 09 03:09

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Andrew, in answer to your question, yes, I keep my tie done up and top-button fastened for afterwork dos. I feel awkward loosening it, though like you say, nearly all the other guys are loosened up. I'm sure I'll feel a lot more comfortable unbuttoned. Perhaps I need need a little encouragement to help me to loosen up and take my tie off.
14th Sep 09 02:09

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Stephen, when you say you keep your tie on for afterwork dos, do you mean you stay fastened or do you loosen up? I used to feel awkward having the top button undone with a tie but now I quite like it, but only afterwork. I think it depends on the place you're going. Most town centre pubs are full of office workers after about 6.00pm and you seldom see a tight tie or a fastened collar on anyone under 30.
14th Sep 09 02:09

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Hi Andrew, most of the other guys at work come in tieless too, though I can't get out of the habit of wearing one. I hardly ever loosen my collar at work except maybe once or twice, and then all the other guys laugh at me for doing so because I hardly ever do! I usually keep my tie on for any after work dos too.
14th Sep 09 01:09

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Hi Stephen, I guess the choice was to tie it round my head (ha, ha) or pocket it. I definitely didn't do the first choice! Can't remember too much about the party, but I do remember being one of the few to be dressed (what I consider to be) smartly. In work we all wear ties. Only the IT people come in tieless - scruffy b**gers! Yeah I've taken my tie off occasionally on hot afternoons and sometimes afterwork, although I think it's easier to loosen the tie for an informal afterwork do - it saves wrecking the tie by folding it or rolling it up. And most of my workmates do the same.
14th Sep 09 01:09

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Andrew, I kept my tie on and top-button done up, though I perhaps should have just taken my tie off and loosened up really. What did you do with your tie once you took it off? Did any of the other guys at your Christmas party start the evening off wearing ? Do you ever take you tie of at work or afterwork dos?
14th Sep 09 01:09

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Stephen, a similar thing happened to me a couple of years back also at a Christmas party. The taunts only stopped when I took my tie off.
You didn't finish your story. What happened next? Did you stay doneup or did you loosen your tie?
14th Sep 09 11:09

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I once went to a staff Christmas party in suit and tie, as I wear one everyday for work. After a while a work colleague shouted across the bar at me to 'loosen up' and to loosen my tie and undo my top-button. I felt a bit embarrassed as I noticed that all the other guys in the club/bar were all casually dressed and that I was the only one wearing a suit and tie. I said that I would latter, but he just repeated himself and everyone just looked at me and laughed. I thought he was going to come over to where I was standing and grab hold of my tie, pull it down and undo my top-button. He didn't though!
14th Sep 09 11:09

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About 4 years ago - in a pub - after work. A few of us had gone out and most of the guys had either taken off their ties or loosened them. I had done neither, so a colleague simply walked up to me and did it for me, with the usual banter about not looking "stuffy", "need to loosen-up", etc.
It was a bit embarassing at the time, but I did feel more comfortable. After that I took to loosening-up after work whenever we went out pubbing and sometimes just for the journey home, too.
14th Sep 09 11:09

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When was the last time a guy loosened your tie and undid your collar ?
13th Sep 09 07:09

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I get so incensed whenever I go into an establishment and get told to take off my hat.I am not talking about your typical trendy clubs and bars here.I am talking about your average pub. Witherspoons and Yates are a typical example to name a few.I am over 50 years old for goodness sake,smartly dressed,but just because I wear a baseball cap I get branded as a potential hooligan.
Fine,I agree that one has to respect the rules of the house.If there is a clear sign that states a particular dress code must be worn in a particular establishment,or no basebal caps may be worn then I do not have a problem with that.I have the choice whether or not to abide by those rules.But invariably,many of them do not display these rules.
I find it so demeaning whenever I go into a pub,order food and/or drinks then get curtly told by some jumped up little creep behind the bar to take off my hat.No please or thankyou either.I will usually just walk off and will not bother to give them the benefit of my custom.This is discrimination.
9th Sep 09 11:09

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I guess the undone button looks fine on you sir, I just couldn`t imagine going out like that, I`m not sayimg I never unbutton my top button, but only will on the way home from work or at a party when it`s late and hot, but most of the time I am buttoned up - I reckon it suits me more and most guys in my work are all buttoned up.
7th Sep 09 08:09

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OK steve - intransigence! hahaha. I shall continue to work on you, though.
7th Sep 09 11:09

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hi how loose .... now I get it .....its a a good look and yes it does suit some guys ..but not me ... I was at an event on saturday there was this guy with a really smart striped suit white shirt (spread collar ) with a black,grey silver stripe tie .. with the top button fastened and he looked absolutly dead cool ,stylish and stunning to boot ... so what I am getting at is it doesnt matter which way you go for its if you have a good dress sense you can look and feel good .....
7th Sep 09 09:09

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OK.... let me try to explain. I wear spread collar shirts (not cutaways, but inbetween pointed and cutaways.... the run of the mill shirts that you see most days on guys). I also wear a windsor knot tie... and I used to find that the top part of the tie got lost under the collar wings. I hated this and wanted a way of the tie being prominent without half of it getting 'lost'.

I mentioned this to one of the sales assistants at Moss Bros, and he suggested that I tie my tie in the normal way, and then after it was set in place, undo the top button and then gently prise the two collar wings apart, until the gap created allowed the WHOLE of the broadest part of the tie knot to be shown.

I really liked the look and have taken that to be my look for always.
4th Sep 09 06:09

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I don`t get the tie yanked to the top with the undone button, it looks messy and dosen`t beat the done up button with the tie. for you guys who say your collars are too tight, I think you should buy bigger sized shirts, or don`t bother to wear a tie and have your button undone.
a guy with his button udone with the tie yanked up looks just as silly as a guy with his button done up without a tie on.
4th Sep 09 06:09

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Thanks for the compliment, steve. Nothing I can say to persuade you at all? What style shirts do you like wearing?
4th Sep 09 06:09

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both of you have good looks and style . I am afraid how loose that I have tried but not for me just like the buttoned up look and I still believe it looks cool .... hey smartguy is the waist coat part of a suit or do you wear it on its own?
4th Sep 09 03:09

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It's a nice look SmartGuy, the way you've described. very similar to me. Just creates a slightly wider collar, which in my opinion looks cool and feels comfortable.
4th Sep 09 03:09

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Black shirt, dark grey tie and black pin-stripe waist coat here.
4th Sep 09 03:09

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Sorry to hear that, steve. Try it and then let me know. Dark grey suit for me, white herring-boned double-cuffed shirt and navy tie. Tie in a windsor, tight with top button undone. Believe me, although the tie is tight, there is a world of a difference in the top button being open.
4th Sep 09 03:09

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Yea I have done, it covers the button that way.
It's not noticable, well it would be more noticable if I buttoned it up as my face would be blue.

:P
4th Sep 09 03:09

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sorry friday or not thats not for me .collar is just right for my neck not tight just enough room to get a finger in and its not a sloppy or a tight not knot and its a windsor knot that I have tied what colours you guys wearing at the moment ??
4th Sep 09 03:09

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Agreed, smartguy. So your collar is pretty snug if done up? Do you do your tie in a windsor too?
4th Sep 09 03:09

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Nice look, steve. loosen that tie, it's Friday. tie in a windsor knot?
4th Sep 09 03:09

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The point Guy301 is that sometimes a loose knot looks better than a scrunched up one. I am wide in the shoulders and neck but I am slim at the waist... shirts that fit my neck would look stupid at my waist.

Hence unbuttoned top button and loost knotted tie.
4th Sep 09 03:09

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yes I agree with you guy301 ..if you wear a shirt with a top button thats what its for to be fastened and with the tie pulled up ... but I do agree its not for everyone.... have just gone back to work after summer off today I am wearing black suit blue and white striped shirt and a plain dark blue tie .
4th Sep 09 03:09

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It looks and feels better having the tie almost to the top and yet having the top button undone. Have you ever tried that?
4th Sep 09 07:09

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I wouldn`t wear a tie if I wasn`t prepared to close the top button. if you wear a tie guys you have to close the top button and if you don`t wear a tie then have the button udone, whats the point yanking your tie up with your button undone, just close it!
3rd Sep 09 07:09

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Nice look, Thomas. Glad you like the windsor as I do. Why tie it with the top button fastened, is that so you can position the tie better before you undo the top button?

Hope you leave the tie to find its own level without you adjusting it by tightening it. What collar shirts do you like wearing?
2nd Sep 09 06:09

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HL - just getting ready to go out and have put on a pink shirt with a light grey tie. The collar is a bit higher than my usual so it can take quite a big knot. I think I've got the Windsor knot right. I tied it with the collar fastened then undid the top button under the knot. Moving around a bit it's starting to loosen a little. I guess it will work its way down a bit further as the evening goes on
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I started work as a learning support assistant in a secondary school today. I thought I looked smart in my crisp white shirt with a blue tie, fat windsor knot until my boss came into the clas and asked me why my top button was undone. I apologised and pushed my tie up but he asked me to go to the front and button my collar. I struggled but could not button my new shirt as the collar was a bit tight. He then tried but couldn't do it, one of the lads said he would try so came up, yanked my collar, did up the top button and almost choked me with my tie. My face was red with both embarasment and the fact my collar was now choking me. I was told to make sure I had my top button done up at all times!
1st Sep 09 07:09

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Wow... all done in one day, mate. I know what you mean about feeling self-conscious at first. That's purely natural. But glad your tie slipped a bit and then you had the opportunity to have the conversation at lunchtime. That broke the ice, I'm sure.

Can I suggest you change your knot to a windsor? You will find that although the tie knot is bulkier, it will hold perfectly in place and create a really nice natural gap.
1st Sep 09 05:09

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How loose, I tried this today. I put on a tie before I left the house leaving the top button unfastened. I found that that to make it look as if I had kept the button done up I had to keep the tie really quite tight. I use a smallish four in hand knot. I found that if I left the knot alone and did not keep pushing it up it slipped about an inch and the collar came slightly open. I felt comfortable like this after a while. A friend at lunch pointed out that I had forgotten to do up my collar. I said I must have left the house in a rush and started to fasten my top button because I was feeling a bit awkward. They asked me why I was bothering to button up when I looked so relaxed with it left loose. I undid the button again and pulled the tie right down to the second button. Feels good.
1st Sep 09 04:09

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Hey Thomas: the time will come when you feel totally confortable having your top button undone at all times.

Glad you've had the opportunity over the summer break to wear a tie quite often. It's actually got you used to keeping the tie on, but wearing it looser. What I would suggest is to start off the day with top button undone, but have your tie tight so no one can tell. Then, little by little throughout the day pull your tie a little looser, until you feel comfortable.
28th Aug 09 06:08

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Stephen and Tight Collar - I agree that we should be able to choose what we wear at work, but on the other hand I want to fit in. At my last place nobody loosened their tie during working hours, me included. I feel awkward undoing my top button with people watching but I feel that I'm going to have to get used to it. Over the holiday I've been going out for meals in the evening wearing a tie. Usually I'm the only one and someone nearly always suggests that I take it off. What I do when this comes up is to tell them I like wearing ties but as a concession I'll loosen it a bit and undo my collar. I'm beginning to feel a bit more comfortable doing this now and will be able to handle this in front of my class next term. HL - I'm still not ready for going loose all the time
28th Aug 09 03:08

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Sorry. My last post was addressed to Thomas. Don't know if you're a teacher Stephen. lol
11th Aug 09 01:08

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Hey Stephen. Also a teacher. Wear suit and tie every day and my tie always stays tight. Feel awkward loosening it. Share your thoughts entirely. So do you loosen at all or get changed when you get home ?
10th Aug 09 05:08

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Thomas, I always wear a suit and tie for work - regardless of what the 'dress code' is. It is surely my right not to be dictated to as to what to wear for work, as an adult, especially to be told to dress-down to look as bad as everyone else! Why would I want to do that? And your school children will one day join the world of work where there will not be able to get away with 'drssing-down'.
10th Aug 09 02:08

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Why not start the day loosened? Can just imagine some of the boys trying to get your top button undone! haha. I guess - as a guy who's always worn his top button undone with a tie - I've never had a problem guessing when it's the right time to loosen up. My advice would be to wear it undone at all times, and when you're at formal events.... weddings etc, pull the tie slightly tighter.

I like semi-cutaways.... those and spread collars are my two favourites.
9th Aug 09 05:08

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Thanks for the advice. I'd come to the conclusion that keeping the tie tight and top button done up was something I'd have to change. The kids jump on any new boy who arrives with his collar done up and undo it for him They wouldn't do this to me, but I think it might be better if I change my look. To be honest I've never been one for loosening my tie. Never sure when it's the right thing to do. I think what I'll do is stick to my formal semi-cutaway collar shirts with a good tie, leave my sleeves rolled up and wear trousers rather than a full suit. I'll make a point of pulling down my tie at some point during the day in front of the class so that they can see that I'm prepared to loosen up.
9th Aug 09 05:08

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Hi Thomas: To be honest, I've never liked button-down shirts with ties. In my opinion, they're American trad. I have one or two that I wear open-necked - no tie.

Since you have the opportunity, I would definitely go with the undone top button look. If you tie a decent enough tie (not a two inch like the school kids), it looks cool. Will it be difficult for you to change from done up to undone?
9th Aug 09 05:08

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Hi there - I'm a teacher and I changed schools last term. My last place was quite formal and the male staff wore suits and ties and strictly enforced the top button rule with the kids. My new school is different. The boys wear ties but they are allowed to leave their top buttons undone and knot the tie how they like. I came in my first day in my suit and tie and the head teacher took me aside and said he would prefer it if I dressed more casually like the rest of the staff. They wear chinos and button downs with a tie left loose over an open collar. The head teacher said a loose tie was more approachable for the kids. I tired to ignore this but I got a lot of teasing from the boys and the rest of the staff. Some of the boys have told me that they like my smart ties and shirts but mostly I get told I'm looking stiff. What do you think? Should I go with the flow here and undo my top button?
9th Aug 09 05:08

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I did the same.

Nice look today for you. I'm in light brown shorts and a salmon pink t-shirt.
8th Aug 09 06:08

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I did last night I just loosened my tie some more and rolled mt sleeves up, what about you. Today I am wearing navy cargo shorts a yellow polo shirt and taking a leaf out of your book sockless brown driveing shoes ha ha. what about you?
8th Aug 09 04:08

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So, are you still wearing your shirt and tie this evening?
7th Aug 09 07:08

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The gap is bigger and therfore the collar is less restrictive and you gte more air to your body
7th Aug 09 03:08

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What do you feel is the benefit of having the second button undone?
7th Aug 09 02:08

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Yes I do not think that I look like a scruff bag or anything lol. And like you said it is Friday.
7th Aug 09 02:08

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Snap... since lunchtime. I guessed that with it being warm today AND Friday I should go for a 'second button undone' look.

To be honest, I still feel it looks smart. What about you?
7th Aug 09 02:08

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Very smart. And how loose is your tie at the moment, mine is as usual on line with second button which is undone.
7th Aug 09 02:08

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Superb look today, Colin.

White shirt (double-cuffed), dark blue tie and navy pin-stripe.
7th Aug 09 02:08

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Colin

Yes I was just throwing my opinion on. Shame I think that sockless looks good, some of the guys in the office wear this look quite a lot this week actually, but I am not sure about it myself for work, I do it outside of work quite a bit.
Today I am wearing my light grey suit, light pink shirt and matching big knot tie, brown shoes and socks lol. What about you?
7th Aug 09 02:08

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Perhaps they will. Tell you the truth... I haven't gone sockless this year to and from work.

What shirt and tie are you wearing today? I see you have posted in the other thread....
7th Aug 09 01:08

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Yes I tend to always keep mine on then hang it up in the wardrobe and let the creases drop out. It is warm again today so I have undone a second button. I sat before and read the thread back for months and months, been some interesting people on people getting yanked about by bosses, going sockless I notice you do going to and from work, interesting look, I wonder where they have all gone, maybe they will join in again if thye see we are posting
7th Aug 09 01:08

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So... we agreed that the best plan is to keep the tie on all day? And at the end of the day to untie it properly to let the creases fall out?
7th Aug 09 01:08

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Colin

I think that it makes the knot tighter, and it looks sloppy like you don't care. When I have taken it off I would much sooner re-tie it properly again
7th Aug 09 12:08

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I suppose doing it like that keeps the knot the same, rather than having to re-tie it again.
7th Aug 09 12:08

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I can sometimes take a couple of times in the morning to get it looking how I like it. Quite a few guys in our our place loosen them and take them off over their heads then put them back on again when they come in. Like they are trying to escape the corporate noose on their lunch
7th Aug 09 12:08

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I agree. It's just that I've just had a walk out from the office and seen loads of guys obviously having taken off their ties and just wearing suits and open-necked shirts.

I prefer to keep mine on, and if necessary loosen up a bit more. If you take it off, you've then got the hassle of tying it again for the afternoon. (Sometimes for me it can take a few minutes to get it right!)
7th Aug 09 12:08

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No I like to wear a tie it is the few things that a man can personalise what he is wearing, plus suit without a tie looks crap like you never finished getting dressed. What about you?
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