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Living in the West Midlands I am sick to the teeth of the sheer amount of foreign vehicles used on UK roads with no road tax.  In the street where I live there is a foreign vehicle with no road tax.

I contacted the DVLA who advised me that they can drive in the UK for 6 months, after this period they must register the car in the UK, pay for road tax, insurance and get an MOT.  I advised the DVLA that the vehicle in question had been in the UK for 3 year.

Their response was "the law states that they must register the car in the UK", so I asked them what could be done and their reply was, "If they don't register the vehicle then there is nothing the DVLA can do".

WHAT????  I'd advised the owner that it was the law that they should register.  DVLA's response was "well if it's not registered it's nothing to do with us, contact the police".  I even tried to give the DVLA the registration number and address of the owner of the vehicle, but they would not take it from me and basically didn't want to know (you cant escape the computer eh?).

Road tax on foreign cars Police - They said "there's nothing we can do"

I then contacted the police who didn't want to know either.  They said "there's nothing we can do, contact DVLA".  This foreign vehicle had a fixed penalty notice for blocking the street, needless to say that with the vehicle not being registered the fine would not have been paid.  Even after advising the police of this they said "it is nothing to do with us".

My next vehicle purchase is going to be from abroad, that way I do not have to purchase road tax, insurance or get an MOT.  Let's all hope that none of these unregistered vehicles mows anyone down.  The police would have no idea who owns the vehicle or even what kind of vehicle it was.  They would literally, "get away with murder".


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jill

The polish cars are all mainly delivery drivers, one polish man has delivered food from Liverpool 8 chip shop for 2 years on polish plated car, prob pays a pittance for insurance.
30th Nov 15 01:11

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John boy

Why is that the Europeans can get away with things regarding the law the born and bread in the uk have to comply with the law
19th Oct 15 09:10

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Oi

He might be, but he's right about getting rid of the Daily Mail and the Sun. Two things the world would be better off without.
7th Nov 14 09:11

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Foreign UK car!!

You are just a frustrated man...get a life!!!
6th Nov 14 09:11

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collar

Poo again to the Welshies - this is a thread for non-welsh normals.
remember it is in DVLA/government interest to enslave people to drive the maximum amount of tax pennies for the minimal amount of road-mendage ('cyclists' get off scot-free, but that's another gripe). and thus set prices accordingly. To promote people to ring hot-lines to grass their neighbors in such a way that we all feel fear and predujice of each other. To isolate ourselves. To loose faith in ourselves. To not really speak the truth.
Work it out for yourself, get rid of the Daily mail and Sun, cast away the tv and start talking to each other.
Collar can't reply to comments as he only has one post per day.
17th Sep 14 09:09

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Andre

Anyone here can give me advice on how can I register my italian car in UK? Any agency/shop in London to have it done? I'm aware about thousands of foreigners don't pay road tax and drive not roadworthy cars but I don't want to be part of that gang.
15th Sep 14 05:09

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car tax payer

I live in and nor are the police. Portsmouth. There is a foreign registered pickup in our road B 0631 HK. It has been about for well over 6 months. We have seen at least 4 people driving this pickup. I also have informed DVLA who are not interested
7th Sep 14 03:09

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Bulldog

186 Sort:
Police round up dozens of homeless Eastern Europeans in central London immigration crackdown - but just TWO end up being put on flights home

If the uk border agency need a hand - let me know I've got a good honest team around ready to move these people on !

I THINK DAVID KNOWS HES OUT NEXTYEAR " let's do something quick to get votes in "
29th Aug 14 03:08

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DisgruntledDunstable

Toyota Hilux truck with Irish plates 08-WX-2839 parked daily at rear of NatWest in Dunstable for at least the last year! It seems the best course is what you suggest and buy a foreign vehicle for tax free UK motoring. With newspaper reports and useless government reports I thought the DVLA would have a web page to report such issues, but obviously not. No wonder so many foreign nationals think this is the land of opportunity!
21st Aug 14 11:08

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collar

Exactly. Growing up in the metropolis, I saw this happen quite often. I suppose it's that 'He's getting away with something I am not' thing.

It's a lot like having a car on one's driveway as opposed to keeping it in the garage- the un-taxed car won't be spotted as often or worried about as much as the non-MOT one and police won't get their report books out just for accidentally displaying the wrong papers as they walk by!
1st Aug 14 03:08

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x

well most of the people with a foreign vehicles have to pay road tax insurance (European Car Insurance) and get an MOT in their country so it wrong to say they dont have insurance or road tax.
1st Aug 14 02:08

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Seagulls

The trouble with the foreigns is If they took a test when they got here and got 3 minors on their 1st go and passed their 1st car that cost pounds and their insurance was 2200 on a 1.6 pretty slow car then they are paying for people who crashed their car into some stupid boy racer driver, its embarassing to be paying anything less than a £20,000 I have a car that can go 3 times as fast as a foreign one yet my insurance is half the price. As Brian says, ''beat that! Seriously though, insurance is 300 pounds and my car has now cost no-one but me. I now have a Mustang.
12th Jun 14 06:06

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Samson (Delilah's too busy to post)

Bulldog......Am I picking up a theme with your posts today? I think you have something on your mind.
12th Jun 14 03:06

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Bulldog

The luxury car owners who lost their rides because they couldn't be bothered to buy insurance: McLarens, Bentleys and Lamborghinis among 100,000 vehicles seized in London crackdown

NO 10 NEEDS REDECORATING & THE SAUDIS CAN PAY !
OUT WITH DAVID & HIS SCUM MATES ON A TAXING MISSION
12th Jun 14 02:06

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Tough

QCD ..I'm not worried about his lawyers - legal aid doesn't apply to Eastern Europeans who take the piss out our drivers & roads ... He gave up the car as a result of him not being able to provide the information I requested NAME ? PHONE NUMBER ? INSURANCE ?
Tough it will send out a strong message to his scum bag mates not all English are soft !
BTW my lawyers are bigger then any he could bring !
8th Jun 14 02:06

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QCD

@ Tough ....so if he's from Romania, must be invariably labeled scum bag ? If the guy respects your OWN law what's wrong with you ? According to British legislation, there is a 6 months period a foreign car is allowed to be driven without paying road tax or registering it Accidents happen quite often, so if you're holding his car, then you may get sued...at least that's what I would do. And rather than moaning about others, why don't you try to convince authorities to change a flawed law ? It would be more elegant and easily just to ask any foreign driver to buy vignettes or permits for various periods, right at the borders. Ridiculously simple, and hassle free to anyone.
3rd Jun 14 01:06

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Tough

I recently got my car hit by a scum bag from Romania !
We'll I've got his car & until he pays for the damage to mine he ain't getting it back !
No UK plate & no road tax !
Lol he thought he could hit and run
BIG MISTAKE FOR THE ROMANIAN SCUMBAG !
31st May 14 03:05

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claver boy

dont waste time and money for calling to police or dvla dont by stupid buy next car abroad and by happy to not pay stupid taxes like aanoter clever people doing :)
17th Feb 14 11:02

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Paolo

Of coursely, if you are permanent resident in the UK, you should pay a road tax.In the EU, most countries have road tax included in petrol price.But,if your car is fully insured in your home country and it covers all accidents in all over the world,what is the problem?Pay road tax in the UK and that's it.Another question is:why we in the continent tolerate UK plated cars???Because we are not racists and we respect that all EU is like a one home country.I can tell you a lot of stories about Britons coming to the continent and about their behaviour here but this happens everywhere.To those, who claim here that Eastern European people get your work in the UK is untruth.There is the same problem in Ireland where I lived and worked for 6 years.Irish are not willing to take some work positions so, there are vacancies and we take them.Same in the UK.Also I have an advice:if you are going to the UK take from your justice home department a certificate that your criminal record is fully clean throughout last 10 years.
5th Feb 14 10:02

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Tired and emotional

Nice to see someone from abroad respecting this country, if only every visitor/guest/migrant was as courteous, lesson to be learned there Clint Heine, manners cost nothing but go a long way.
21st Jan 14 11:01

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Achileas

You all Correct but is not foreign people the same.
I come from Greece driving through with my girlfriend with a small sport car and as a young couple we enjoy it a lot, three days drove half Europe!
I agree with everything but coming in England with my foreign car when is my second home I took all the responsibilities on my own to learn and to pay everything in advance, everywhere im going everything im doing.
As a now at the present time all foreign cars has to be registered for safety rules on the country and of course to find the vehicle if gain the speed on cameras or going a walk through in London and didn't pay any C charges!
No need to change any plates if it is Europe country or after 6 months or a year to leave from country, the law say you can keep when, you pay insurance, tax and mot.
As a Greek Man I Love England and I respect this country living on this countries and pay double taxes!

Kind Regards to Everyone.
21st Jan 14 01:01

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alice

You all correct - but going to the bottom line of your problem ... you decided who rules this country you put people in the parliament seats you vote for them! Its your choice!
14th Jan 14 05:01

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bulldog

We need to protect our country from criminals from europe ! Keep our british people in jobs first & then worry about the others !
No 10 should issue a policy jobs offerd to the british first !
31st Dec 13 04:12

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bulldog

Eastern europeans have to fear our own criminals .they know the eastern europeans are into crime & they see you as targets ...easy pickings , most eastern europeans keep their ill gotten gains in their houses & the earners have got their eyes on you !
They now you dont bank the cash you guys always smuggle it back home ...even the british authorties are fully aware of their criminal ways
31st Dec 13 04:12

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bulldog

People like Paul are the reason why race riots will start .
Come here to abuse the system and take the piss !
Go home and take your scum with you .the british are gonna take a stand against any european that thinks we are a soft touch !
Police have already started stoping more foreign vehicles & letting agents will be in no hurry to give you a house ...upto 7 people in a 3 bed .not paying council tax !
Welcome to britain where the english will take a stand !
31st Dec 13 04:12

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Clint

It's a bummer, Paulybaby. good luck with your new business and a happy new year buddy! (keep ripping them tickets up, baby!)
31st Dec 13 12:12

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Paulybaby

Who ever wrote this post is a total a*sehole! I drive around EU and have clocked up several speeding tickets and double figures of parking fines. I love it! I'll never pay them. I come back to big brother UK and have just got two automated traffic fines for accidentally being in a bus lane and forgetting the congestion charge existed. Feck that!. I'm not causing any harm to anyone but am being mugged by a mchine with number plate recognition so I have less money to fund my new business. So tomorrow I'm fecking off to Berlin to live free like a bird (in a Transit) Bite me Britain!!
31st Dec 13 01:12

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bulldog

Johny
you joker I get flashed I get tickets I dont pay... the laws are changing and the UK people are gonna make the eastern european feel very unwelcome.
go home to your country and take your criminals with you .
16th Dec 13 02:12

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johny

Mind your own business. Thats what you should do.. And not others.. I drive on foreighm plates aswell and. Guess what . I got flashed over speeding 4 times and 7 times a parking ticket and i never paid a penny.. And they never found me ... Hope that made your day.
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9th Dec 13 03:12

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Pat

I live in Bulgaria, but drive to england to visit my children, I am an expat... My gripe is that I buy Vignettes (tax) through the countries I have to drive through to get to the Uk.... Why cant UK sell vignettes the same as Austria, Hungary and Romania do..... it would make good sense.... the UK would then be getting the benefit of tax being paid. I want to be legal, my car is MOT'd Insured and Taxed in Bulgaria, but I would be more comfortable driving it if I could purchase the Vignette in the UK for the time period that I would be there.... usually about a fortnight...
10th Nov 13 08:11

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Lovely UK

Agree with Tom, if the car is insured, taxed and MOT overseas what is the problem? DVLA and Police do not enforce to change plate and re-register it in UK, in case of accident the foreign insurance company will cover the car and people involved. We do not need to be racist, if you were in EU, you can drive with UK registered car without any problem
6th Nov 13 05:11

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Friday Lunchtime

Tom : It may not be your fault but your car is illegal. As the driver, you are responsible for that status and you are the person who would be prosecuted in the event of an accident and who would be out of pocket/in prison in the event of an insurance claim repudiated by the insurers on the basis that the the car is illegally used and therefore uninsured.

Sounds harsh? Yes, but that is the law.

Otherwise, I agree with what you say.
16th Oct 13 05:10

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Tom

I'm sorry but your desire to shop all the foreign drivers seems a little "sour grape".

For example:
- I am located in the UK for an extended period (>6 months)
- My car is on lease, therefore I do not own the vehicle title and cannot register it in the UK, without the financing bank cringing and collecting my first born's blood...
- My vehicle is registered in my home country
- My vehicle is in top shape, inspected to date (I drive 800+ miles to my home town to have it inspected every two years)
- I have liability insurance... its limit by far surpasses the amount that any of UK insurers offers for a reasonable price (GBP 1,000,000)
- I don't speed, I don't park afoul of local regulations, and I'm not an asshole on the road, unlike many UK drivers
- I am truly sorry the DVLA can't trace me - but hey, not my fault. Inasmuch I'd love to get a GB plate, I just cannot.
- I pay my daily congestion charge on the rare occasion that I need to drive to central London, even though ICGaF, since the congestion charge cameras can't associate my registration plate with me

Every day, I pass decrepit UK-registered cars, some of which have rust holes so big, that you can see the driver's crotch.

Every day, I am amazed at how badly some UK drivers drive (aggressive, inconsiderate, foolish and unsafe).

Anything to add?
16th Oct 13 01:10

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jo jo

boblet,you are an envious little pickle jar, I bet you stalk horses, and take pictures of their bum bum. you then telephone a vet dr and pretend you are a hero. you,Jethro,gow
14th Oct 13 08:10

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boblet

Francies . Richard Edward might be a more appropriate number plate for your moustache.
14th Oct 13 05:10

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Francies

You despicable people you are all just jealous Why not buy a Mustang, 'cause it's a Ford it's exempt from all thus petty legislation. I own 9 or 10 'stangs (last count), and lemme tell ya, they all go like blimming rockets . They all have private plates with my name all free (Frank 1, Frank 2 etc...) Am I a jammy sod or what?
13th Oct 13 06:10

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Friday Lunchtime

7. Temporary imports

You can usually use a vehicle displaying non-UK number plates, and not have to tax or register it in the UK, if:

you’re visiting the UK and don’t plan to live here
you only use the vehicle up to 6 months in a 12-month period (1 single visit, or several shorter visits adding up to a 6-month period)
the vehicle is registered and taxed in its home country

If you become a resident in the UK, you must tax and register your vehicle in the UK straight away.

Source : https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk/temporary-imports
13th Oct 13 05:10

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Konas

You are wrong even if i have foreign car u have pay insurance all taxes and mot, so to me does not make any difference if i use the car in germany or UK once i have green card which suite me to use the car anywhere in EU.
So i am sick of people like you.
13th Oct 13 01:10

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Thankyou

Tevez, thankyou so much for posting in cymric exclusively and not bothering to translate, I am in no way implying it is drivel, im sure it is very interesting indeed!
18th Aug 13 10:08

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tevez

polecam maść na ból dupy jebany angolu. to sobie zarejestruj i opłać za granicą jak Ci nie pasuje albosie wyprowadź.
17th Aug 13 10:08

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USA

8x68m7 Really enjoyed this post.Really looking forward to read more. Cool.
4th Jul 13 03:07

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USA

8x68m7 Really enjoyed this post.Really looking forward to read more. Cool.
4th Jul 13 03:07

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kward

i will return to uk mid september my road tax expires end of august i will not have tax renewel form with me so is it illegel to drive
28th Jun 13 02:06

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Paul Beaumont:

Yes it me again, Captain Paul Beaumont, and having read all the rubbish down below here are the true fact for owning a car in either Europe or the United Kingdom as follows: ( 1 ) I buy my car in the U.K. with documents being / V.5. / Insurance / /M.0.T./ and of course road tax: ( 2 ) I drive the car to Malta on U.K. plates with all the correct documents, which are required for the ferry: ( 3 ) I arrive in Malta and am allowed to drive in Malta for a period of 6 months only ( Check Web Malta Car Valuation Rules & Regulations ) then I must either leave Malta or register in Malta:
( 4 ) To register in Malta the car must valued by ADT who give you the documents with amount you must pay: Then you must apply for a J-VIC document from the U.K to confirm the mileage, then you can register when you hand in your old plates, along with your new insurance: For your registration number you have two choices standard or personal number which is expensive: I have a Rover 75 Connoisseur 02
model and costs me 1000 pounds a year with insurance to keep on the road here in
Malta, bigger the engine more you pay, In the U.K. to change plates costs 45 pounds with a new V.5. documents: ( Cheap ) happy motoring:
Regards Paul Beaumont:
25th Jun 13 11:06

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Captain Paul Beaumont

Having just read the article on Foreign Cars in the United Kingdom, the person who wrote that article is full of shit, as I will explain: I am British ( Chester ) live in Malta
and own the last Rover 75 car that was built in the U.K. We drive to the U.K. with our car which is fully Road Taxed, Fully Insured, and has a legal M.O.T. ( 24 Months
Before we even get on the Ferry, we must produce all these documents, and with these documents being valid I am allowed to stay for as long as I like with our car in the United Kingdom: Should the documents expire, I send them back by registered mail and M.O.T. can be completed in the U.K. under EURO regulations: Then you get the cowboys, who are legal when they leave Europe, but DO NOT re-validate car documents, and as you state no one cares until they kill someone then its too late:
Welcome to the real world, suggest you buy a base-ball bat, that should fix it:
Captain Paul Beaumont:
namja4u2003@yahoo.co.uk
25th Jun 13 10:06

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USA

I appreciate you sharing this blog. Will read on...
11th Jun 13 05:06

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Brother

also, if you get speed ticket, they recognize number plate and it goes to country of origin
28th Apr 13 05:04

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Brother

you are idiot, to drive this car from abroad, you must have atleast insurance, to get this insurance, you have to get it from its original country also you cant have insurance if you dont have mot, also you cant drive foreign car with british license longer than 3month, and the only problem with foreign cars can have if they got isnurance and mot is road tax, because there is no way to get it, so need to pay a fine for that, but yes some dont even have mot and insurance , and i wish they will be charged for that because this pisses me off, even if im foreigner
28th Apr 13 02:04

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COLD

Tell me ... how does it feel to be a minority in your own country ?
Now think twice ... picking on a foreign national can end up badly for you.
19th Apr 13 11:04

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Kutso Dupso F..K Foreigner

One more thing You forgot buddy:

Besides you get foreign car with insurance which can be done easy, you may need to learn some polish or Lithuanian, instead of putting pressure on Yourself because of your neighbor car.

Easy off really it maybe better to write an article about Insurances companies being rip off to everybody around, or perhaps to write petition to the government about fuel prices rises extremal in this difficult times, instead of looking for sensation about Polish or Lithuanian cars around... They here since 2004....
Hey what about of Rumanians coming soon here?
29th Mar 13 03:03

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aziz

I bought my car in Egypt and drove it here in the UK. My insurance from Egypt covers me to drive here in the UK. Noone has said anything to me, if i get told to pay tax i will pay but i have had not letters etc
4th Mar 13 11:03

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Foreign car owner

Hi everyone, I have foreign car, and I didnt paid any tax or mot, but I dont wanna to use it for few years. Its just a temporary car here, coz its expensive to buy car from UK in the beginning of my life in UK. I have been stopped by police yesterday, and they told me to call to DVLA. But I didn't called yet. I will take my car back to my country after 2 more weeks, coz I borrowed some money from my bank, for car from UK. So soon I will be like all you English ppl, I will pay taxes and insurances. And not all foreigner are bad. I'm good driver, careful, and have not have any accidents here. No fines, nothing at all. I'm good person, always polite, and peaceful :) I'm here with my car 5 months. Yes, its a long time, but I had no other choice. People, lets be friendly :) Lets change the world, where we are living ;)
19th Feb 13 04:02

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Foreigner

In Poland, if your car is registered but not insured, you get a fine which will depend on how long the car has been uninsured.
12th Jan 13 01:01

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Thomas

The UK is definitely not the only contry with road tax and it's wrong that the insurance only covers tourists and not the car. In addition, also other countries have a MOT (with other names of course) and not every car from the continent is in bad condition or worse condition than an English one. I only can speak for Germany or German cars, but of course they are insured, have MOT and have to pay a vehicle/road tax. I don't know when this article was written, but penalties are pursued in other EU countries, at least in the western ones.
2nd Jan 13 04:01

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jobbie

Your roads are being all with the potholes and we no have to, how you say, buying the road fund license to driving, si the highway, she is so poor.
16th Dec 12 07:12

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dayrider

There is no problem with paying road tax or insurance. Once we register the car in the UK we cannot re-register it back home so the car is lost. Yes, we are fully aware that this is our problem only.
16th Dec 12 01:12

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remaining anonymous

I get a little tired of the idiot children who post on any subject regardless of their true opinion just to attempt to appear clever while stirring up a bit more anti English sentiment.

Why pretend to be a foreigner when you clearly aren't geo?

It's mind numblingly tedious and spoiling the site for others
12th Dec 12 03:12

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geo

...and really TRY to dont look at us just as criminals. we (foreign citizens) are some bad some good like every country have. u think english people are all super corect? in my country they come for example to have s ex with kids for money(pedofils)...but this dont give me the right to say something about people i dont know...they are just bad as persons not as nationality... so dont be angry. keep calm and carry on
12th Dec 12 12:12

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geo

what i want to say for u guys: what u write here is ABSOLUTLY your opinion, one rasist, one angry about he is lazy...an so on.
i am foreign citizen in this country, and i pay every possible taxes for U guys to be healty and to stay home and receive social benefits because really u are lazy.is england sickness.
Now: about insurance(foreign ones) they are VALID and they are ordered ONLINE like here. everyone cabn verifie this IS THAT SIMPLE!!! just to lazy to open a web page. Road tax is payable in every contry but germany( they just show they dont need this money :)) ) also they are 200 years ahead reallyalso on roads). in uk dvla is just to stupid to take money from one like me who want to pay for the roads...just because is imposible to pay, not because we dont want to pay that road tax (think about this) why we bring our cars here!? is simple, there are couple of resons: insurance here is a steal for us because they say in first instance they will accept our NCD and after they just maximize the premium (is a steal). in our country insurance is almost like here for u. ex: 11 years NCD i pay almost 200£ 34 years old...trying to be fair in this question with england i was making 2 insurances with aviva and esure. was like 180£ per mounth :)) just because they want to belive i am the most stupid driver on the planet maybe. this is a steal!!! also this NCD shit: I have to prove i am innocent!? this is just AGAINST THE HUMAN RIGHTS!!! which is like: u are innocent till someone(law related or not) prove u are not ...so people dont be angry on us we want to be fair but u are just to nationalist :( sorry to see u like this... i was having another opinion about u, is just deasipointed
12th Dec 12 12:12

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Lisa

Hi. I have been living in Spain for 8 months. I did not need to register my car in Spain as fixed term work contract. I am now moving back to UK but my car tax has expired and MOT. I have not used car in Spain. My car is insured but cant get tax or mot till back in uk. I need to drive back. What can i do???? Please advise.
22nd Nov 12 01:11

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'I'm just wondering if this loophole would allow myself (a UK citizen) to buy a car abroad (poland for example), and provided I have an address in Poland (could just rent a shithole for 50 quid pm), you can drive it over here with polish insurance and car registered to that address perfectly legally due to the eu common market.'

When you register your car in Lithuania you don't have to have a permanent address. You can give them any address you like and they will never check it. I think that in Poland it's pretty much the same. The insurance is very cheap there and Lithuanian people don't have to pay road tax. But you can only register a left-hand drive car there. And they are more expensive than right-hand drive cars.
25th Oct 12 05:10

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boblet

Sasa The plod & boarder control find it tiresome to concern themselves with people outside an easily identifiable profile. It is just too hard for them. I travelled recently from Spain through Andorra then France to the UK I was not required to stop once.
19th Oct 12 02:10

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sasa

maybye somebody can tell why we cannot pay that fcuking road tax in UK for car whish registered in other EU country??? why cannot make somthing like "when car arrive in uk exemple on ferry, on custom cannot tell that you dont have UK road tax, please buy that. if not, police stop you and you get penalty" or somthing else. but no. nobody due that.... just need change some LAW.....
19th Oct 12 01:10

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Andrey

This is very stupid. And the best way how to police can sort it with the foreighn number plates which comes from EU countries: its to make and organise All EU countries Driving Number Plates Data Base. I hope in the future its will be happend. And no body in his country will be so scared like this guy above.
15th Sep 12 05:09

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dutchy

I don't know where you get the wrong info from that road tax is in the petrol price in Europe. I live in Holland, drive a diesel and pay €100 a month on road tax on top of the extreme petrol price..so stop complaining
20th Aug 12 07:08

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Ori

I am a foreigner, who live in the UK, i have an uk registered car, and i pay all the taxes. :)
Yes, there are too many foreign cars in the UK with bad conditions.
I would like to say, the cars with foreign plate can be used in England only for tourism... and maximum 6 months in any 12 months. If the driver is resident in UK (stays in the UK more then 183 days per a year, but who works in the UK, that is resident) can not drives foreign registered car. And the bigger part of the problem, the foreign insurance doesn't cover the car! It covers only the tourists... but there is another question, why my insurance is 25 times more expense in the UK? This was the cheapest for me :D
DVLA checks the cars in the ports, there are more and more automatic plate recognition cameras, and the police can access the database, but they do not know this.
And finally for Angry Brit, I do not enjoy the free health care, because I am healthy :), but I pay NI for your free health care. The immigrants from the former eastern block rises the GDP by 2 percent and they pay NI, tax, vat here. The jobs, that we do, english people don't want to do.
Thanks for reading :)
16th Aug 12 12:08

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nanny

i live in BOSTON LINCS and the amount of cars here with foreign number plates is appalling, today i encounterd 2 men having words 1 english, 1 from EU, don't you think that it about time that you taxed and insured your car, you have been here for 2 years, the english man said, no he said i will need a certificate(mot) i assume, but you are taking your son to school every day and what happens if you hit some one the english man said, i will just go home and come back under another name the other one said, i said don't wait, go now, he then said none of you like us here, because we have all the jobs and pay no taxes at all,true i said but one day our ship will come in and then you all will have to go home and stay there
18th Jul 12 04:07

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adamtbray

I'm just wondering if this loophole would allow myself (a UK citizen) to buy a car abroad (poland for example), and provided I have an address in Poland (could just rent a shithole for 50 quid pm), you can drive it over here with polish insurance and car registered to that address perfectly legally due to the eu common market.

I got quoted 200 quid per year with a polish company for an mx-5, and it's calculated on the car, not the person driving, which is a lot cheaper to insure than over here (16k was my cheapest quote which was apparently a "specialist" insurer for performance vehicles, mainly so high due my age).

Does anybody know what would happen if I got pulled by the police, provided the car was continuously in the UK for 6 months or less? Would my polish insurance be valid? It sounds like a crazy idea, but I'll tell people what's bloody crazy, the fact that insurers can charge so much for a car, which although sporty is hardly a Bugatti Veyron.
14th Jul 12 08:07

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Stalag 14

"in Europe road tax is included in petrol price"

Road tax is payable in:
Germany
Hungary
Ireland
Norway
Uk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax

Unless of course Wiki is wrong
13th Jul 12 04:07

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Foreigner2

Do not know if this person who wrote this is so blind or stupid. You have to have insurance ( paid in country where car is coming from ( green card ) ) have to have MOT ( every year can be done in uk !! ) . And yes they do not pay road tax because in Europe road tax is included in petrol price. Only in UK u have to pay rad tax separate !!!! First read something then write !!!!! For fun, if you are going to Europe ( using British car) and you are buying petrol there, you are paying double "rod tax" one: you have to have in UK, and second: is included in petrol you buying outside UK !!! ( so you even supporting country where you buying from your petrol ) :)))
13th Jul 12 03:07

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Foreigner

I've just read almost all of the comments. I am 17 and have passed my driving license over a month ago. I wanted to buy a car here in UK, however, I wouldn't be able to afford insurance. The cheapest quote that I got was 4000GBP for a small Renault Clio 1.2. I am a student attending full-time course in college. I do not get any benefits, neither do my parents. A car is a must in my case as I live far away from the place of education. As I do not work (I am not one of those that doesn't want to; I have applied for 3 jobs this month and walked around with a file full of CVs leaving it in shops and factories near me and I do this regurarly and over the period of one year, I only got one reply but I wasn't flexible with the working hours due to my college course) and my parents do not earn enough to pay for my insurance, I decided to buy a car in the country of my origin. The insurance will cost me 300GBP for the whole year with me as a main driver covering me for the whole EU (including UK) for this period of time. The insurance company that I will be using even has an office in the UK to call when a crash will take place and they will sort everything out. Now it comes to the MOT; I have spoken to the owner of a local garage whether I can do an MOT for a foreign registered vehicle and they said that it is not a problem as long as I have a document with all the details of the vehicle. Now it comes to Road Tax... I have read plenty and it is impossible to buy Road Tax providing foreign insurance certificate. Why? I wouldn't mind paying 200GBP per year for the Road Tax as I will be using British Roads and I want to make financial commitments as a good resident should, but the government won't let me be a good resident. This should be sorted and you would see how many foreign vehicles would appear with Tax Discs on their windscreens (maybe not all of them as there are fools in every nation).
8th Jul 12 11:07

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UKIP

So it's not just me then!

I have noticed a marked increase in the number of eastern European cars on our roads. A quick look at the windscreen and I can see that not one of these cars has paid uk road tax. I have since found out that non uk drivers cannot have their driving licences endorsed for the exact same offence that a British driver would receive points for! Legal discrimination?
4th Jul 12 07:07

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honest man

What we seek is a balanced immigration policy - yes, British people emigrate to Spain & France, but this should be balanced by similar numbers coming here. What we are objecting to is being swamped, particularly by those from eastern Europe whose values are so totally different.
Re-cars the comparison is not valid as in Spain and France the motorways are toll. We are against paying for our road network through road tax and then this being taken advantage of by incomers who have contributed nothing - the same applies to the NHS.
10th Jun 12 02:06

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amilie

why do not stop all british emigration to Spain and France? and all british cars as well...
9th Jun 12 04:06

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Boblet

Is your ticket different to the ticket supplied to us English Nationals then? Arcadius
28th May 12 12:05

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Arcadius

Additionally, any car which want to come to England, is always travelling by EuroTunnel or Ferry to Dover (or other ports). 13,5% of ticket fare is paid as entry tax (classified as road tax) and fee of 12.00GBP for british government just to entry...

UKRT1 - is position on your eurotunnel or ferry ticket indicating road tax payable for UK's DVLA.
28th May 12 01:05

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Arcadius

Hey guys. I am living in Britain from 2006 (6 years now). Last year I have passed mine Driving Licence test and finally I can drive my own car. Thing is; UK vehicle insurance is very expensive (about 17,000 GBP per year). In my home country (Poland) to buy a car, I have to get insurance which is much cheaper and covers me in whole EU/EEA area, have to pay road tax in national tax system and in petrol (8% od petrol price is Eu road tax) and i have to do mechanical checks (MOT) every year. So i don't get idea why British people are still having problem which accepting european cars on english roads. I tried to buy Road Tax Disc in UK in DVLA office and Post-Office but they can't sell me one due to UK's law! it's not my fault - english system is simply wrong...
But just to make idiots aware, in Britain there is 3,5% of petrol cost calculated as road drive tax - as i been informed by DVLA Call Centre, so we actually pay tax!

And I have to agree to ANNA, as this user said before about ability of brits driving in europe. Well... so much to comment.. they don't lnow how to use roundabout, don't know what are three lanes on motorway (hint: left side in europe is to take over other cars) and they don't have right equipment in car (triangle - required in eu, extinguisher - required in most eu countries... but british citizens can't check it before they go and they pay penalities for it. :)

Hope that some racist idiots will change in some day...
28th May 12 01:05

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Angry Brit

I'm amazed that so many foreigners below have the balls to criticize this country , its rules , laws and our driving standards and yet live here , enjoy free health care and all the country's services but moan about them constantly. I have some advice , if things are so bad here go home ! Things cant of been that great back in your home countries otherwise you wouldn't be here so do everyone a favour , get behind your adopted nation or go home. And as a note to Anna below , European workers are not propping up our economy , not by any stretch of the imagination!! they are acknowledged as the single biggest drain on the welfare state , as well as eastern Europeans being widely acknowledged by the British police as the biggest group of fraudsters in the country! So a drain on the state not a help. I would never normally attack anyone online but i and many others are fed up with whining of people who are happy to take the uk for all they can and cant be great full and blissfully ignore far bigger issues in there home country's !
19th May 12 01:05

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wrecker

If a foreign vehicle is causing you grief, do what I do and tow them to the scrap yard on a tow truck and then you get £200 to get those death traps off the road. Hopefully then the foreigners will go back to eastern Europe and give the British youth a chance to work in a poorly paid job. You only need keys or paperwork to scrap a uk car, foreign vehicles are much easier
13th May 12 11:05

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Stan

Most of them would pay, if they could. The trouble is paying Road Tax is not only paying this thing. To do that one has to insure the car in the UK etc. Doesn't matter your car is already insured. And even if you want to insure it, even if you agree to pay abnormal price for it (Brits are being ripped off) there is no one who wants to insure your car.
So pay... and we don't mind there is now way to pay.
5th May 12 05:05

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Anna

I come from eastern europe and live and work in UK. One of the car I drive is registered and insured in my country. Should I be involved in any accident then my insurance will cover the same items as those sold in UK. Cars in my country are obliged to a yearly technical check - an equivalent of the UKs MOT. This is a legal requirmeent to which I need to comply, and I can assure you I do. As a member of the European Union we are free to travel accross the world and no one, even you with your dodgy approach to foreginers can stop us. We are not doing anything unawful. Please check what the european union is working on recently, with regards to registering foregin cars in EU countries. You will find out that very soon it will be clarified within EU law how to register and insure and tax a foregin car in any EU country. What should be clarified and sorted in UK is how the foregin drivers can pay a road tax. In my country it is a percentage included in fuel price. I would love to pay for it here but there is phisically no way I can. It is not my fault but the fault of your system.. In the text above you are assuming that all foreginers are avoiding that on purpose. It is time to update your system since you have such a large number of foreginers keeping your econony going..So to clarify I can legally drive foregin car here but I just cannot pay the road tax.
Having said about your approach to foreginers I want to add one more comment..I have two cars in this country, one is registerd in UK. I see difference in the way other driver act on the road seeing the car on foregin number plates compared to a car on UK plates..sad really but all of the sudden drivers change to these nasty characters who will not let me join the traffic, will wave their hands at me showing all sorts of nasty signals..If I am in the UK registered car i do not experience anything like that. I believe you guys should be more focused teaching your youngsters how to drive the car, instead of moaning on foreginers. Its is quite apparent that many drivers cannot even use the roundabouts appropriately - you do not undertand what are these white dots on the road for!!!! How many times you are just sitting on each side not knowing who should go first...embarassing..you should have some lessons taken in Germany regarding driving on the motorways..for some bizzare reasons all UK registered cars are always sitting on the fast or middle lane, lets not even mention how you guys are driving on the rainy days or with 3cm of snow on the road...european laughing stock!!!!!!!!
2nd May 12 09:05

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sh

i strongly agree .i am sick of it too and the goverment should do something about as our tax's go up every year and insurances and maintenance for our vehical and we r strugling ,and these people r making a business out of because of th loop hole in the law ,they r getting away in all areas
22nd Apr 12 05:04

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qwerty

and please do not be surprised that people drive on foreign plates because as far as buying a car and the road tax is not a problem this insurance for older drivers with experience of what you have not even dreamed of (leave your cars on the road with the least rainfall in the snow :)) pay car insurance even 1000% more!!!
8th Apr 12 02:04

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driver

Pls. tell me where I can buy a road tax on foreign car and I guarantee you that I buy it as soon as possible!!
8th Apr 12 02:04

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Tango

I sure hope you dont live near me because you sir are a complete and utter wan**er.

Trying to get your neighbour done for stuff that is not any of your business and on top of that having the time/desire to post it on a webpage as well... what a douche.

Under common law it is lawful to travel freely without having to pay tax, mot or insurance, however, driving (look up its real definition) requires those documents.

You, like another 50 million Britons are being conned by Legalise terminology into paying for things that your corporation (I mean government) demands in order to try and extend the life of this current fractional reserve banking ponzi scheme that is our current economy.

"Get away with murder" erm no... as long as you are driving and cause no harm to others is fine, as soon as you cause harm or death it will become a criminal case and the person responsible will be held responsible, regardless of not having insurance, mot, etc..

And you do not need to purchase a vehicle abroad to do what your neighbour does, you have to un-register your car from the DVLA, having your car registered with the DVLA means THEY own your car, ever wonder why you are addressed as the "keeper"? that is why they are allowed to crush the car, it belongs to them! if it was really your car then that would be criminal damage.
13th Mar 12 05:03

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mario

listen guys, is nothing true from what you said ok. i can said that i got evrething on my car, mot , i got my car insurance , i got all my paper work for the car. is nothing to do with us if we r out of road tax, this is not mind that we dont have the car registered in our names. so please dont make me too said something else . is not our fault . if they doing something to make us to pay for road tax is fine , but dont try to make us in front of you as a nobody ok
25th Jan 12 02:01

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Boblet

Freeman you still have not answered my question about my car repairs. He is not dealing like a man, he is not making reparations, he is at fault. Don't force someone to have insurance. When will your miricles take up the slack in your system man?
20th Jan 12 08:01

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Stalag 14

Do they have road tax and insurance on cars in Somalia?
But that wouldn’t be anarchy would it, just a demonstration of being a “freeman”
20th Jan 12 08:01

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Stalag 14

"By forcing people to get taxed, licensed, and insurance"

In an ideal world we would have none of these, however in the real world there has to a set of rules for the population to follow, it's called the law and if you break the law you are a criminal.

"Surely we must be free and have no 'master' telling us what to do."
By master I assume you mean government.

That statement implies "I can do what I like when I like" with no rules or laws that affect my being; as I said anarchy.

The society you want only works with a population of one.
20th Jan 12 08:01

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FreeMan

Driving on the wrong side of the road etc. If it was like you describe would cause harm, injury, or even death.

Trust someone to talk about the most extremely ridiculous example with the pretext of using the "anarchy" charge.

Its exactly like I said: "Police should just be making sure no body kills anyone else, nobody steals from anyone, nobody injures anyone or destroys anyone elses property, or uses fraud in their contracts."

How is that anarchy?

As for accidents - then deal with them like men, make reparations if you are at fault. But don't force someone to have insurance. There was a time when insurance never existed you know, we won't descend into chaos without it.

If no one his harmed or injured there is no crime.

The real "anarchy" is the revenue collection anarchy of taxing, charging, and fining, people for everything under the sun. Corporations and Government making a quick buck on every aspect of our life.

We should not be taxed for merely existing.
20th Jan 12 12:01

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Stalag 14

"Police should just be making sure no body kills anyone else, nobody steals from anyone, nobody injures anyone or destroys anyone elses property, or uses fraud in their contracts."

I think we should drive on any side of the road at any speed and ignore all those goverment imposed traffic signs and traffic lights etc.
How dare they tell us what to do.

What you want FreeMan is anarchy
19th Jan 12 01:01

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Boblet

Hallelujah freeman you are so right. Us slaves to society are desperate for your answer. What do I do? A freeman damaged my car. Oh what a lovely guy he was, so apologetic, so polite, so poor. The poor soul could not afford insurance, road tax, or M, O,T. So he was forced by society to drive without any. Give me the answer, you are the Messiah. I am anxious to cancel my insurance etc & start driving with your followers, the lads of the free world. Once you have performed your miracles on my car.
18th Jan 12 09:01

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FreeMan

I think everyone is arguing about the wrong things.

Traveling is a Common-Law Right. You can walk, go in a car, on a horse, on a bike, on a donkey. We are all born free and have inalienable RIGHTS as human beings.

Anyone can travel. By forcing people to get taxed, licensed, and insurance, that right is being converted into a privilege under our very noses. At the end of the day a Car is our rightly owned private property and the people of this country have been foolish to allow the crooks in Government to put all these hooks into place and then be allowed to take away your private property and even crush it if you don't conform.

There must be a state of affairs where one can be free to live and travel in this country and own private property without interference from the Government every time we pop our head around the corner.

This matter is not only in relation to driving, there all sorts of other things. Allegedly slavery has been abolished... so why are we under so much control by the Government? Surely we must be free and have no 'master' telling us what to do.

The root problem is the public allowing themselves to be taken for a ride by the Government. The Government and the Police should just be making sure no body kills anyone else, nobody steals from anyone, nobody injures anyone or destroys anyone elses property, or uses fraud in their contracts.

Otherwise just LIVE AND LET LIVE.
18th Jan 12 08:01

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ed

In the Czech Republic, we have to pay a toll anytime we go on a motorway (or prepay it for a year/month/week/day)
1st Jan 12 03:01

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vince

one think... i ask why english people not paying road tax in spain? driving thei cars longer than 6 mont? and not geting spanish insurance? law priti much same like in engliand?
23rd Dec 11 11:12

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francO

The insurance in UK for those who were not born, and had no NCB gained in the UK is ridiculously expensive! This is the only reason why ppl are using foreign cars.
In east europe everyone must have an obligatory car insurance. Same as here the Third Party Only. But for whatever un-understandable reason here that one is more expensive than the full comprehensive.
Do u think it is fair that I'm forced to pay 3.000 GBP insurance after I've been regularly driving for more than 14 years? The insurance system is rotten in this country.
You pay a lot, because u penalize the one who is in charge. His insurance will have to pay you thousands because u claim personal injury, even though u have absolutely no problem. You will get a courtesy car , and you will be charged ridiculous amount for that.
They rip u off, and everyone has to pay for that!

Believe me if the insurance companies wouldn't want to rip off the hardly earned and taxed money of all foreigners they would happily get a UK registered vehicle.
29th Nov 11 08:11

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MikeP

Legit Car Owner - 20-Nov-11 18:01
Perhaps he's just smarter than you. Nothing dodgy about selling a car before the tax expires, and no reason to assume they are uninsured. If you want to check if a vehicle (UK reg) is insured you can do so here : http://ownvehicle.askmid.com/askmid.aspx
20th Nov 11 06:11

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Legit Car Owner

I have a Polish neighbour that has had numerous cars and he always seems to sell them right before the road tax runs out and he goes on to get another one and the same process all over again. Is this some way of dodging paying car insurance? If it is, I think it is so unfair. He has been in this country only a couple of years and is already up on the ins and outs. While me being an honest British citizen would never even think of doing that! If he is doing something illegitimate do you think it is only a matter of time before he gets caught?
20th Nov 11 06:11

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Polish_Girl

I am not happy about things that have been said about driving a foreign car in UK. I can tell you honestly, I came from Poland over 6years ago. Have UK Driving Licence for over 2years now. I have been driving 1.2 Petrol Fiat Punto X Reg - which cost me 780pounds. I had it insured for 1800pound per year, Taxed and MOT. Its been difficult for me to have it insured, so I have sold car and didn't drive any car for over 18months now.

My boyfriend have a Polish car - Mercedez Benz 124, 2.5 Diesel 1990. He is paying 200pounds a year for insurance and every year he have MOT done. Back in Poland we dont have Road Tax. The Road Tax is included in the price of a fuel. So we have much more expensive petrol.

I just think that this is unfair that loads of people are being very selfish as they are just worried that they pay too much tax or insurance. But trust me - all Polish cars are insured! If they didn't have them insured - they would have their ccar taken away.

Stop being so unnfair. We are all paying insurance and have MOT - not every single EEU country have the same rules as UK!!!
3rd Nov 11 05:11

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MikeP

It is everyones' civic duty to report lawbreakers to the authorities, nothing to do with 'the dark communist era' which I imagine very few of you know anything about anyway.

Untaxed cars are also generally uninsured, so it's not just a question of tax evasion, it's about being a liability to their owners and other road users. It has all been said before.
1st Sep 11 05:09

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Nick

It's unbelievable that you report your neighbours at the police - like people in the dark communist era. Well done...
1st Sep 11 10:09

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Csilva

That's not true.
The vehicle has a registration number on it's own country and if there is any problem they can get the plate number and send a fine to the owners address. I just got a fine for a congestion charge a few years ago, traveling in London. I didn't knew about it.
Regardless the Road Tax and MOT, well foreign vehicles pay it on their respective countries. If you travel to France you won't pay the tax either, it that unfair to you?
16th Aug 11 11:08

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MYOB

A vignette IS a general road tax (in all but name) for the roads that are supported by them (A and S roads in Austria). A toll paid at a toll gate is a specific road tax.

But that is moot. Unregistered cars, in the country for a period in excess of six months are evading taxes, not avoiding them. evading them. This is a crime. I would not like to live next to the three wise monkeys crowd here who would obviously mind their own business when they saw their neighbours houses being robbed.
1st Jul 11 12:07

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MikeP

A vignette is not a general road tax. It allows access to toll roads without the complex systems in, for example, Spain, France and Italy where you have to keep stopping to pay at toll gates. That said, the latter system is fairer as it spreads the burden more fairly in that those who use the roads most pay the most.
30th Jun 11 08:06

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Boblet

stop digging T H we will just consult the AA or RAC
30th Jun 11 06:06

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The Heretic

Of course having mentioned ignorance I have to point out that Not every country in Europe requires a Vignette and that those that do may only require them for Motorway use. The following countries use vignettes Austria, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Switzerland. Most other European countries (including Spain as mentioned below) extract their road taxes by toll.

Again you only need to pay these taxes if you travel by motorway.
30th Jun 11 05:06

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The Heretic

The ignorance of people here is massive.

If I drive from Bratislava in a hire car, and drive to Hungary I pass through Austria. I am on the motorway in Austria for precisly five minutes I need to purchase a vignette imediately I cross the border. Once I get to Hungary, if I travel on the motorway there I need another one.

Note: this is in a Slovakian car, with a Slovakian vignette.

There is NO universal European tax. Spanish road tax pays for spanish roads, if a UK driver travels there for a holiday (with his own car) he will have to pay. UK road tax pays for UK roads if a spanish driver travels here on holiday (or for longer) he will not.

I merely state the facts.
30th Jun 11 05:06

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The Heretic

What seems to have been missed here by all the mind your own business crowd is that if you take your car on a European motorway for even five minutes you need a vignete (road tax) or you could face a fine.

On top of that if you travel between countries, say from France to Switzerland to Italy you need one for each country you visit.

If you live in Europe and take your UK registered car with you and the Tax runs out while you are abroad. You will be fined as soon as you enter the country, even if you are on your way to the post office to pay for a new tax disk.

Even ignoring the unfairness of this the reason why we should be concerned is that the number of unregistered vehicles is huge. If a car is not taxed there is no garauntee that the vehicle is insured, if the vehicle hits yours then you could be left with a massive bill as it would be impossible to extract payment from that driver. Hey but never mind... eh? we minded our own business!!!
30th Jun 11 05:06

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MarryBiss

Why do you care so much about other's cars? Why you don't mind your OWN business????
Who are you? The King?
26th Jun 11 04:06

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Li

Just want to add a comment here. I looked into using my foreign registered car here in the UK a while ago. According to the gov.co.uk website I can do this on the following conditions:
Firstly, it must leave the country within eight months of arriving into the country.
Secondly, it is not possible to return the car to the UK within a 4 month period. Therefore, legally it is not sufficient to take the car out of the country for one day. I presume the difficulties are policing this regulation (costs etc.). However, with the feeling that big brother is watching I personally would feel uncomfortable every time I passed a police car if I were in that situation.
24th Jun 11 04:06

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luca

you spent so much time chasing up the DVLA the police and who else just to be reminded the golden rule of peaceful living: mind your own business mate! I agree with you that it's dangerous if people drive with no insurance and so on but not everybody is like that. And I do believe that there a lot more cars with english number plates that don't pay insurance then foreign ones, this is simply due to the fact that car insurance in the UK is an extortion (especially if you're driving a LHD car).
Have you got an idea of what kind of bullshit you need to go through to register your foreign car in the DVLA system? Definitely not worth the effort, the fact that somebody has got a foreign car doesn't mean they're a criminal or a danger in the road..don't generalize. I totally agree with EUstig, european insurances cover for damage even in the UK and my taxes go in the same place as yours, with the difference that I can't even choose which people i'd like to run the country. Relax and chill out my friend there are bigger and worst problems to think about rahter then a foreign car..enjoy life!
21st Jun 11 12:06

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EUstig:)

That's a controversial one!

I'm Spanish and have been living in the UK for the last 4 years and do have and use my left hand side car here. I pay tax in Spain and of course DO HAVE an insurance (Spanish, but with international coverage so you're safe mate!)

The law states that the car has to pay tax if it's going to stay in the UK for more than 6 months; however, it is not as simple as just paying tax and forgetting about it as you then need to change the insurance for a UK one (try to get one with a left hand site car) and get a new reg.

As long as you have something to proof that the car has been here for less than 6 months that's fine enough for the police (e.g. visit Holland twice a year :p ); although to be honest if a police officer stops you he has to be a bit cheeky to ask you for all that as long as your car has an MOT and insurance.

Believe it or not mate you are European at least as far as Economy goes. My money (tax) goes to the same pocket as yours ;)
14th Jun 11 01:06

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J man

I wonder, Sunseeker, if you would be so righteous if you were involved in an accident with one of these un-insured drivers.
And kindly STOP playing the xenophobe/racist card - people who want to live here should abide by the laws here - simple as that.
Unfortunately, there appears to be too many narrow minded people like you in the country -
do-gooders who do not have to live with the consequences of their PC beliefs.
5th Jun 11 08:06

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Sunseeker

Go ahead, get a foreign registered car! Obviously you need to be a resident in a country you want to purchase, plus you need to pay tax and insurance over there. So, the effort might not be worth it.

I just hope you are one of the narrow minded haters, which every country is full of.
4th Jun 11 04:06

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J man

We appear to support every country financially apart from our own - so why should foreign drivers avoiding road tax, MOT's and proper insurance be any different?
We vote in the Government of the day so only have ourselves to blame - if you persist in voting for any of the main-stream parties then nothing will change
As for the foul language from the retards below - not even worth any comment.
Ditch Human Rights, Political Correctness, Occupation of foreign lands, Immigration, Foreign Aid - charity begins at home.
23rd May 11 08:05

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MikeP

Could you be so kind as to explain why expecting people to respect the law is 'racist'? And maybe you could make a huge effort, switch on your atrophied brain cell, and see if you can do it without resorting to obscenities? Good boy!

At least you can spell 'racist', unlike so many others who throw the word around with gay abandon, but you probably looked it up, on the other hand you didn't look up 'fascist' and you got that wrong.
23rd May 11 07:05

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hristian (Big Balls) Boyce -

If they go back to Europe for only one day a year their 6 months time is restarted - this is the law, the vehicle must be insured but insurance over there is as low as £45 a year - they have a good thing going on and third party liability is in place - Now stop moaning about it you dusty-cunted control freak!!! - Guess that's what the police said - Probably too busy locking up rapists, murderers, drug pushers, bent politicians and bent bankers to deal with facsist nazi racist dusty-cunted control FREAKS! like you -You are a racist, admit it and get help.

And as for not being able to identify the car or driver.. INTERPOL - Did you have a lead dummy as a child?
23rd May 11 05:05

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Foreign

JACKO ! Youhad to pay so much because Switzerland is not a part of EU.
When Swiss people are entering England or another EU countrie they have to pay even more then we do...
8th May 11 09:05

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Foreign

Foreign people do pay car road tax to Europe Union, so do you ! it's one massive bank account, and if there is any problems with English roads the EU is fixing them...
8th May 11 09:05

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MikeP

GON if you are so ignorant that you can only promote your cause by using four letter obscenities then I'd suggest you head back to the gutter you came from.

"So you know, foreign cars DO pay tax in the country where they are registered"

If the cars in question are taxed in their home countries, and have been in the UK for less than 6 months, then they are in order. The concern here is that many of them are taxed and insured nowhere.
29th Apr 11 06:04

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GON

I just have one thing to tell you: you are a proper C U N T. Mind your own business and stop bothering other people. I understand your life is so sad you need to be trying to make other people's life miserable... So you know, foreign cars DO pay tax in the country where they are registered. You may now say "if they are in England and use our roads they have to pay for them too". My answer to that is; Do England or English people pay the money of all the stuff they destroy when going abroad on holidays?? If you guys don't know how to drink you should get learning.
29th Apr 11 05:04

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alealealex

You are sick jealous man. Someone should give you a proper beating for reporting you neighbor to DVLA and Police ...
5th Apr 11 01:04

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Frank

What a pointless remark! How do you register your vehicle in Europe if your main residence remains abroad? The same is the case for the UK. What about you focus your depressed state of mind on some other issue...or even better, just don't!
31st Mar 11 10:03

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MikeP

Tom, however many times you make your inane and pointless remark, it remains just that. All you are doing is revealing your lack of intellect.
22nd Mar 11 06:03

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Tom

Only people with 'free' time enough would bother with something like that...
22nd Mar 11 05:03

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MikeP

It is a serious problem as cars which are not legal in their EU 'home' country are also not legal outside it in other EU countries. By extension, that means that any insurance cover, even if paid up, could be declared null and void in the event of a claim.

It should not be necessary to spell out the impact of this, but as it probably is for some people, it means that in the event of an accident the claim would most likely be repudiated by the insurer on the basis that the vehicle was not being operated in accordance with the law(s) governing its use. The driver or owner could thus be subject to a very large claim which he or she might be unable to pay, leaving the victim(s) or their families uncompensated or with a costly and difficult law case to fight.

Driving uninsured merits removing the car from the roads and crushing it, and in my world, that would be with the owner inside!
22nd Mar 11 02:03

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Tom

Only people with 'free' time enough would bother with something like that...
22nd Mar 11 01:03

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Jules

Why do people always assume it's a rasist thing? I think the best way to sort this is to have UK border control check foreign vehicles for TAX, MOT & Insurance and inform DVLA of all foreign vehicles entering the UK. So if anyone stays more that 6months laws can be imposed. All modern Police cars have cameras in the front and can check a vehicle automatically for TAX, MOT & Insurance with UK number plates. I cant see any reason why foreign plates given to the DVLA by border controls cant be added to the system.
22nd Mar 11 11:03

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boblet

I am not being nasty InterTruck I am just not sure where are coming from ? You say. I don’t know were you got the Idea that Foreign Cars Aren’t Taxed. (Then you go on to say)The Worst Violators of the system are those with LT Pl And CZ country codes on the rear plates these people stay Well over the Law time of 6Months yet nothing is done about them by the Police as they are Accused of Racial Harassment these cars and vans need too Removed off the Road by the police and placed in the Compound and at the end of 21days Crushed if the owner doesn’t come forward with the Necessary documents as the Spanish Enforce this law on British Car drivers.
16th Mar 11 05:03

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International Trucker 1976

I dont know were you get the Idea that Foriegn Cars Arent Taxed just Because they DONT show an Tax Disc like the UK does I have an Spanish Regd Vehicle which is Left Hand drive my Annual Road tax is paid through my my Bank Every Yr at the Due Date as well as the Vehicle Insurance of Fully Comprehensive with an 12month Green Card too drive anywere within the EEC for the duration of the Insurance,
the Worst Violaters of the system are those with LT Pl And CZ country codes on the rear plates these people sytay Well over the Law time of 6Months yet Nothing is done about them by the Police as they are Accussed of Racial Harrasment these cars and vans need too Removed off the Road by the police and placed in the Compound and at the end of 21days Crushed if the owner doesnt come forward with the Nessacary documents as the Spanish Enforce this law on British Car drivers , Everyday the Sp[anish Police Forces are out checking Vehicle reg Plates if an vehicle is Noticed it is Pulled over and NO Questions asked impound the Vehicle for 14Days (Working Days) then Crush it ,
By Buying an 2nd car that is advertised in the street you dont know what fines are on the vehicle which you will In heritt should you buy the vehicle Why do you think the Ferry Companies ask for the Vehicle Reg when you book a crossing, they can Check all the Nessacary details of Tax Insurance etc on the International Database so before you go sounding off at Foriegn Cars being untaxed Get your Facts Correct before you mnake Malicious Allergations
16th Mar 11 04:03

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jacko7069

I agree Ari L

The insurance in this country is a joke and i'm English, but what they should do here as I said is charge the road toll, if they divided the annual road tax by 52 and people from abroad paid weekly then the longer there here using our roads the more they pay up until they reach the the yearly tax band for there vehicle. They should be allowed to use there own insurance for a set period, then if they stay in the UK buy our insurance, but be allowed to carry any "no claims bonus" they earn't from abroad to here.
15th Mar 11 12:03

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Ari L

JACKO

I agree 100% with what you say...

I had to pay 40CHF (£25) when entering Switzerland for 1-year road tax. An amount applies in Austria too and they also have no tolls. In Greece I pay every year around 700 euros (£570) for road tax, PLUS toll charges when I drive on the motorways. Imagine that a 300 miles drive from Athens to Salonica, costs £22 one way just for toll charges. But the percentage of uninsured vehicles in Greece and other EU countries is less than 8% (in Greece is around 5-6%). So if I was asked to pay £100 for road tax in the UK, I would have no prob at all! Since the only tolls I ever pay are when I cross to Wales, and when I cross Dartford Bridge (plus my congestion charge when I go to the City). So yes, I agree with road tax, but not an inflated one to cover up others who don't want to pay. And if you don't know that, most foreigners WANT to harmonise with the UK laws in order to be 100% road legal and safe. But when they hear about £2000 car insurance, they just run away!!!!
12th Mar 11 10:03

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jacko

simple answer to get round the road tax, all foriegn cars entering the UK should pay a road toll like in Austria, Hungary and probaly many more EU countries, or they cant use our motorways (hard to get from Dover not using them), so the longer they stay the more toll's they pay.....so simple.
10th Mar 11 01:03

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Cynical Boblet

Nothing specific Mr Angry, I am posting these xtra words because this web does not agree with brevity
7th Mar 11 07:03

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Mr Angry from Purley

Cynical Boblet

I was under the impression it was the DVLA that are the enforcing authority when it comes to foreign vehicles staying longer than 6 months not the Police.

Do you have any more information that it is actually the Police's responsibility.
7th Mar 11 11:03

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Ari L

@Jerry: Take a quick trip (like a weekend break) to France, in order for the UK Border control to verify that you are not for more than 6 consecutive months in the UK. catch the Channel train or cross by boat, and return after a couple of days or after a couple of hours (meaning that you have to go through the port or train security and border control). Presto! You are renewed for another 6 months :)

And I believe that everyone can afford a ship crossing to mainland every 6 months. After all, it's just £40 rtn if booked as early as 2 months in advance! That's what I do. And there's NO restriction to the times that you can have a Green card counterpart for your foreign insurance. The Green Card can be issued from any MIB (Motor Insurance Bureau) in the EU...

Enjoy your miles :)
6th Mar 11 10:03

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Ari L

I brought my car from Greece, after paying tolls across France and Italy... I pay every year a hefty 570 quid for my 2000cc Golf GTI... I pay every year 1200 quid for insurance. I have a green card to extend my greek comprehensive insurance in the UK (issued by the UK MIB in cooperation with the Greek insurance company). I pay 40 quid for MOT in Greece and another 10 for the exhaust card (verification that my exhaust and catalytic converter are as they should be). Why should I pay here too then?! If I pay the road tax here, then the greek dvla will go after me for not paying my road tax!! And of course I cannot buy and sell my car to myself in order to get a set of UK plates and register here for everything else here...

It's the EU, and as long as a UK car can come to Greece or to any other EEC/EU country and waive the road tax, it's the same thing with all those cars in the UK!

I really do not understand your point. Even if I drive in the UK, I have to insure my car in GREECE, as my plates are greek! Same is with the UK cars! You can't just go to Greece and insure your UK car over there!!!! You seem like the old grumpy neighbour who has nothing better to do in his life than moaning for something!

Oh and don't mess things with Driving license. If someone has a EU foldable (pink) or credit card sized photocard and intends to stay for more than 6 months, then he/she HAS to register the DL with the DVLA to obtain the paper counterpart for black points. But that's the only thing ever needed to be done.
6th Mar 11 10:03

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Cynical Boblet

Mr. Angry, you have fallen for it, if we listen to you, we will have been fobbed of again, the police blame us already for not keeping them informed, when we do not grass (Intelligence). Meanwhile they lounge around the trough waiting for their £5,000 bonus. We do not need pushovers like you telling us what we can do. It is a police matter pure & simple, not a game of cricket where we bowl, the police bat, we bowl the Mp bats, we bowl, crime & compliance bat. Please realize the police will have kidded us again on a major issue. Have you not heard senior policemen asking the old “Red Herring”? “What do you want us to do?”
What you’re paid very well for, I answer
6th Mar 11 05:03

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Mr Angry from Purley

WRITE TO DVLA WITH FOREIGN CAR DETAILS

I raised this issue with my MP and had a reply from the Head of Crime & Compliance from the DVLA.

You need to write to: Jennifer Thomas, Crime Policy, D16, DVLA, Longview Road, Swansea, SA6 7JL.

Include make, model, colour and registration mark together with the location where the vehicle is kept and name and address of owner (if known).

They then add it to the database which if caught will allow enforcement action including wheel clamping and impounding of the vehicle.

Its down to you guy and girls, the more you report the more will get caught, and once the word is around the foreign community they will not try to get away with it anymore.
6th Mar 11 03:03

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Britinlondon

Just another one side comment written. Plenty of UK cars not registered and uninsured..why do you think the insurance is so high here in th UK? Of allt he plonkers driving around uninsured...not such things in Holland/Germany etc...So stop blaming the foreigners who do alot of work the Brits dont like to do or do alot better then the brits, help out the economy.................
Oh yes...there are very very few Britsh people living abroad...didnt you know...oh wait there are miilions......called expats......look it up......mmmmmm...same applies there or are they all saints?.
5th Mar 11 08:03

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Jerry

Hello, the idea is clear in the post, however you do need to understand that the money payed on road tax in other countries comes back to EU Treasury, no all but a percentage, so its not loosing out. Also I think the law should change, for example - I work in Germany, travel there alot, not flying, just getting a fery over from town of Hull, its easier then flying. I got a company car from germany, and please explain to me how I should follow the law? I live here, (which means I am here more then 6 months), I pay road tax in Germany (who heavily sponsors EU) I do MOT every 1 year, (normal), I am insured in germany but the insurance is valid in UK too. so if I overstay the 6 months, what will they do? I mean I have everything they need.
Just to say - I cannot buy a car in UK as it would be right drive, which is very bad for driving in germany, fine in uk however. SOOOO , any sugestions?
3rd Mar 11 02:03

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mabait_nais

Hello Everyone! I would like to pass some recent information. Our client who is originaly from EU and has obtained UK residency recently has been stopped by local police as he was driving his car with the number plate registered in one of EU countries. Police checked their data and said to him the following: as he is UK recident and he is living here in the UK over a year his six months of using EU registered car expired, he has to re-register his foreing car with DVLA and then to put all other legal things like car insurance, MOT and road TAX right. Police said to him that they warned him on this occasion but if he would not put all things in relation to his car right he would pay big penalty if he will be stopped by police next time. Now he thinks to give up on his foreing car and buy used car in the UK. At list he won't have a headache.
2nd Mar 11 08:03

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mabait_nais

Hello Everyone! I would like to pass some recent information. Our client who is originaly from EU and has obtained UK residency recently has been stopped by local police as he was driving his car with the number plate registered in one of EU countries. Police checked their data and said to him the following: as he is UK recident and he is living here in the UK over a year his six months of using EU registered car expired, he has to re-register his foreing car with DVLA and then to put all other legal things like car insurance, MOT and road TAX right. Police said to him that they warned him on this occasion but if he would not put all things in relation to his car right he would pay big penalty if he will be stopped by police next time. Now he thinks to give up on his foreing car and buy used car in the UK. At list he won't have a headache.
2nd Mar 11 04:03

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Zak

Hey Guys I had an idea the other day. In order to evade the high cost of car insurance in the uk ( because now I am 17 and just started drivig , and the insurance of a rover metro is 5000 pounds, the car would only cost 376 quidd) as an example of this I thougt , what if I could get a car from the uk , say a golf gti or someting , go to bulgaria ( I am half bulgarian) insure it , pay the tax and all legal requirements from the coutry and come back to drive it in the uk , it would work out much less , but will it be ok if I drive it here more than six months and , how would I be penalised if the rozzers did catch me driving my motor after 6 mothns ?

thanks guys , I would appreciate any answers

please send them to bongs4u@hotmail.co.uk

regards

Zak
1st Mar 11 11:03

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Willow

It works both ways - us brits are all over Europe with our cars and you know for sure that the majority of these cars have loosely legal paperwork....
27th Feb 11 12:02

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Willow

It works both ways - us brits are all over Europe with our cars and you know for sure that the majority of these cars have loosely legal paperwork....
27th Feb 11 12:02

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dave the rave

How about british ex pats driving to spain leaving their cars in the country for years on end with no tax mot or insurance and just flaunt the system. Why should these people get away with it.
I have seen a merc with a beer mat as a tax disc and a VW with a tax disc which ran out in 1998 a suzuki with the number plate suffix cut off. So its the same in europe guys
23rd Feb 11 10:02

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Iho tiho

Hi yesterday I saw a volksvagen golf 2 with an Uk tax disk . . . I could attach and photo as well
22nd Feb 11 08:02

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Marco

You are racist. Have you thought of that? Check the stats.
You have more brits living abroad than foreigners livinig in UK
Get a life. No wander why no body listen to you!!
22nd Feb 11 10:02

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MikeP

The comment was not for you two, it was for the person who asked the question and hewill know what I mean by ITV. It has nothing to do with television. Now go away and stop picking up fag ends.
8th Feb 11 09:02

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Oi

If you can't get ITV, you're certainly not missing anything. Other than mindless "celebrity" dross and nonsense.
8th Feb 11 09:02

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Oldfart

I can`t get ITV on my telly never mind on a car. Am I missing something here?
8th Feb 11 07:02

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MikeP

If your Spanish car has valid ITV, seguro, etc, you can use it in UK for 6 months or as long as the Spanish documentation remains valid, whichever is the shorter.
8th Feb 11 04:02

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Ivan UK

I am spanish and I live in England. I would like to bring my spanish car for the moment, and I want to do the right thing, can anybody tell me please which tax, insurance, etc..., I need? I dont want to skip the law. Many thanks
8th Feb 11 03:02

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Tomas

To UK TAXPAYER. What I have been told few days ago. Law has changed in here. U can drive foreing car for 6 months, but for a same time that's mean 6 months u should leave UK. I do drive my Slovakian Car in here. 3 up 4 times a year im driving home for about 16/10 days each time. Depence how many times I do go for. In Dover they stop give me questions, TAKE my Driving License, MY Slovakian MOT, MY TECHNICAL DOCUMENT and GREEN CARD which is allowing my to drive in any EU country. It was said that in here. If dont have even in Germany I will have problems. I know because of some foreigns idiots slovakian or cezch, or polish, lithuanian and others are these problems. They IGNORE the law of this country. Im angree, becase it is not correct. I have been involved to car crash with BRITISH car. 31.1.2008. UK car, NOT INSURED, NO ROAD TAX and that guy run away. I called police they have come, I gave them all my documents and police doesn't know if they need my GREEN CARD. Sorry then, but do u know guys your own LAW? Damage was 4850 pounds. Who have to paid. MMMMEEEEEE :( because UK car not insured and other things now trying to get money from UK. My insurence comapany is helping me. Last time was on german RTL 28 milions UK car have no INSURENCE and u are going to say guys FOREING doesnt pay road tax. I do have legal everything. IN Austria u buy sticker for motorway 78 eur a year and it is ok. They dont care u have to pay in your own country too. It is easy to make foreing to pay. How many people is on benefits. Me in 6.5 years beeing in here 2 months sick. Am im complaing I dont have money from benefits NO :(.
4th Feb 11 03:02

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MikeP

This is exactly right. It's based on EU law. In exactly the same way, many people who leave the UK and keep their UK plated vehicles on the roads in other EU countries are also breaking the law.

It's very simple, there is no longer a grey area. If your vehicle is not legal on the roads in its home country, then it is not legal in another EU country. After 6 months, it has to be imported and registered in its 'new' country or returned to the UK.

There are many thousands of Poms living in Spain, France, and Portugal with UK registered vehicles. They seem to think that because they have done so for years, it's acceptable to continue doing so. It isn't, partly because it's fraud, and mainly because the insurance, if any, is invalid, and driving without insurance imposes an unfair burden on society in the event of an accident.
4th Feb 11 07:02

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UK TAXPAYER

sounds like there are quite a few non UK residents on here pretending to be british people sticking up for foreign drivers who are driving in the uk illegally (if they have been in the uk for over 6 months uk law states they must reregister the vehicle and get uk tax insurance/ mot) if you have a £45 a year insurance from, say, slovakia and you have been in the uk for 3 years then you should be buying uk insurance.
people who dodge paying for legitimate uk insurance are sick, sick people- if they ki11ed a young kid on british roads their foreign insurance woulkd be invalid and there is a great chance they would just drive out of the uk and ditch the car abroad to avoid any repurcussions. they are even worse than people in uk registered cars who dodge uk insurance.
people who legitemately drive uk registered cars (both british and honest foreign people) are also subsidising foreign criminals who pay no uk road fund license and who pay nothing towards the upkeep of british roads(if they dodge ins/ mot/ tax they are criminals).
so I can safely bet that most (made up names??!) people on this thread sticking up for foreign tax/ insurance dodgers either arent uk citizens or arent law abiding foreign drivers within the uk, as any fully law abiding (ie taxed and insured) drivers, (both uk and foreign drivers within the uk), would be fuming at what any tax or insurance dodgers get away with.
4th Feb 11 01:02

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simon

Another rip off WHY ARE WE BEEN RIPPED OFF,road tax boo,i absolutely hate road tax
3rd Feb 11 07:02

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MikeP

old english lady, I've tried to understand what your point is, but from your incorrectly punctuated and semi-literate rant it's hard to see.

"every vehicle needs to be insured, no matter where in EU."

We know this, but the fact is that many are not. Can you please clarify what you are trying to say, because as it stands, it seems as though it's you that's ignorant.
20th Jan 11 07:01

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old english lady

who ever posted this article (completely made up, two thumbs up for imagination) was an ignorant and even stu..d. every vehicle needs to be insured, no matter where in EU. so this one was also. not even one foreign driver anywhere else is uninsured, like here some English drivers simply cause the insurance is affordable,you pay what you supposed to pay. and cause the Insurance agencies are screwing everyone here in UK so badly,then you can't afford it, you need to feel like a criminal or coming with such a stupid ideas as fake papers. Road tax like other taxes are paid by everyone just in different forms. you need to thank British government for coming for such a great idea with paying road tax on it's own (to lower petrol prices at the pump) as the rest of the old continent has the road tax already included in the petrol prices. As this kind of opinions like above are written by people who never been anywhere their whole life (commute 20miles to and back from work only) have no clue what is going on around the corner, them I am calling ignorants.
20th Jan 11 07:01

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jose foreeno

Yes, this is a big problem. Here in Marbella, there are many english people who drive english cars with no tax displayed. They get MOT certs printed by other english criminals and get cheap fake "insurance" papers for when stopped by police. When these people have their car taken by the guardia, they write to their english newspapers, jumping up and down about 'racist' foreign police!!
11th Jan 11 07:01

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Gunga

Human rights, if an uninsured car or an untaxed car were to damage me or my car that is here untaxed & insured legaly because I am from Asia, would my human rights have been infringed? if the authorities ignore this situation knowing we cannot claim for damages when driving in this country? Our human rights are important.
11th Jan 11 11:01

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Teddy

No road tax and insurance because they come from primitive do as you please countries. Total disregard for the law and rules of this country.

My friend had his car smashed at a Tesco by this girl from Poland. A short while later she was on her phone, sat at the wheel then drove off. He managed to get the registration and is still chasing it up. This was nine months ago.
11th Jan 11 10:01

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Neo

This is the beauty of free boarders in the EU, its true for the six months period, but only for cars outsite EU, with no border control for EU countries and free movements of goods and services the law can do nothing since your car is register in an EU country, and although is not pay the road tax or MOT, its the responsibility of register country to apply the law.
10th Jan 11 08:01

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naz

well my vehicle was hit by a foreign driver in a foreign vehicle when calling the police I was told take name and address and insurance details - they didnt come out and I got no details from this lovely driver coz he was not insured in the uk so guess what my insurance will be affected
28th Nov 10 09:11

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westhammer

With respect nic nak,these people greatly affect my work because they dont pay the overheads I do,all I want is fair play,you should be able to understand that.
24th Nov 10 11:11

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nic nac paddy wack

westhammer, is this what you spend your life doing? watching "foreigners"?
Get a break, go on holiday.
23rd Nov 10 10:11

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westhammer

ps before anyone calls me racist phone up DVLA or NCP or local council
23rd Nov 10 07:11

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westhammer

in leyton east london many foreign vehicles have been in my neighbourhood for over 8 yrs,they openly admit to flouting the law and find it funny.DVLA wont even listen to you if you mention a car is foreign.I have a letter from them saying there is no database,its must be so difficult to type a reg ito a computer at dover then see if it pops us 6mths later,ive even seen romanian gypsies driving ex bt vans with foreign plates and not even bothering to take out the english tax disc out after swapping plates.ive told the council and police and they dont want to know,anyone who doesnt belive me,go and sit outside your local scrap yard,us brits are treated like tom tit
23rd Nov 10 07:11

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CAZ

I think this is really bad, something should be done about it. Should we all purchase foreign cars in the future, I am sure the goverment would miss our road taxes and the car manufactures would be out of pocket.
22nd Nov 10 10:11

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pic

quote "how would somebody waste so much time to get others in trouble!?!?!" bloody stupid!!unbelievable..
20th Nov 10 09:11

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Dorcas

Sorry about that, but I'm owner of a foreing car, and I did everything in order to have my car in UK, and if my neighbor call the police, probably he is who can be in troubles :)

First of all, no one know what is the exactly right thing to do.
I asked to ADVL, also I changed my Insurance for English company one. I have the famous green book, and I paid the taxes for 2010 in my origen country. The MOT is for the next month of April 2011, and I booked this morning with a official garage.

Looking for some help I found this place. I really sorry, but if someone don't see in the car the little stickers doesn't means the person is not doing the right thing. Bless you :)
8th Nov 10 01:11

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SPLAV

Hi everyone. I would like to buy a car and insure it in Lithuania. Is it possible to pay UK road tax, but Lithuanian insurance?
3rd Nov 10 08:11

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pb

haha :) Like in other countries in Europe. I'm hungarian. In Hungary, 5% of the people uses cars from abroad - with english, irish, german, slovakian, romanian registration plates. In these way, you haven't pay the fines (for speeding or parking for example), don't have to pay registration fee (for example; if you buy a cheap car from UK/Germany/whatever for 500pound, you have to pay 2000 pound more(!!!) to registrate to Hungary).

And yes, the insurance here, in UK is fu**ing expensive, that's why I will bring my car from Hungary and use here with hungarian plate. At home, car prices are very high, but the insurance is very cheap. And, our MOT give 2 years to use, not just 1.
23rd Oct 10 09:10

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Fair PS

This is a matter for the Police and the DVLA together - and please be reassured if you are reading this and living in West Yorkshire that the Police do deal with it. Any vehicle that is stopped without a Vehicle Excise Licence (Road Tax) is dealt with by means of a form to the DVLA which contains name & address of the owner and how long they admit the vehicle has been in the UK (there is an option for including any corroboration of the vehicle being in the UK for longer than 6 months if Officers know that the owner is being dishonest). A period of 6 months includes short trips back to the country of origin and thus making a trip home for a couple of weeks every 5 1/2 months will not make you exempt.
Once the vehicle is registered in the UK the owner has to have a Vehicle Excise Licence, insurance from a UK company and an MOT. If they do not comply then fines, points and vehicle seizures follow.
To clear some confusion too - ALL vehicles that are driven in the UK must have 3rd party insurance (or sureity) and those that are driven without face a minimum of £200 fine & 6 points and are seized at a cost of at least £150 for recovery and £20 per day storage (they cannot be reclaimed without correct insurance for that car).
Persons with EU driving licences are entitled to keep their licences and drive in the UK with them and are given penalty points (valid only in UK) just the same as UK motorists - this applies to drivers with UK licences who move to other Countries in Europe.
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pam

how would somebody waste so much time to get others in trouble...you should stop your jealousy and bitterness otherwise it will eat you up and you might end up sick or worse. If you start to do good things for others they might even start to listen to you if they see that you care. Good luck.
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u typical british rat mate,people like u should be isolated,r u jealuos that somebody is saving few pounds?try to do it yorself benefit scum,looser
28th Sep 10 09:09

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ESDan

MOT is a joke, that`s for sure; I had a company car with MOT made, and that car would never pass the checking in Romania, for ex. Imagine that this car had so big problems that the oil use to lick every where, I used to put 1 liter of oil weekly,the steering was so poor that I was praying over 40 mph to go straight...and so on....and the MOT was just made :)
28th Sep 10 08:09

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ESDan

MOT is a joke, that`s for sure; I had a company car with MOT made, and that car would never pass the checking in Romania, for ex. Imagine that this car had so big problems that the oil use to lick every where, I used to put 1 liter of oil weekly,the steering was so poor that I was praying over 40 mph to go straight...and so on....and the MOT was just made :)
28th Sep 10 07:09

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ESDan

Regarding the 6 month period, that`s nothing; a good reason to take a trip to Paris and to come back (let`s face it, how is proved that the car has 6 months or whatever since is in the country? well....they can check the borders data base ... so if I live for 6 months in UK and I exit for 2-3 days, and then come back, would be enough, isn't it ? :) )
28th Sep 10 07:09

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ESDan

Don`t panic guys; cars from EU have insurance and something that is called "green book" to be able to travel abroad. Otherwise these cars won`t be able to pass the borders. The "green book" is an international insurance available in the selected countries and in case of something the insurance company will be charged.
So, this things are a must in order to be able to leave the country; on the other hand, what would you expect? A double payed insurance? In both countries? We can discuss about the road tax but not about MOT or insurance, because those are a must in EVERY EU COUNTRY.
28th Sep 10 07:09

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MikeP

"The law states that when a person takes up residency in the UK (ie work or live) they must immediately register the car and pay road tax. "

They have 6 months in which to do so. EU law.
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I agree with you. The law states that when a person takes up residency in the UK (ie work or live) they must immediately register the car and pay road tax. This also means they would need to take out UK insurance. The Police should be interested as it a very simple thing to deal with.

Shame you don't live in Kent. We deal with it.
25th Sep 10 04:09

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I beleive foreign cars and drivers take out insurance from their own country that has to state they can drive abroad or the car is seized.. (uninsured driver) as for tax and mot the laws a joke on justice for this case! It's cheaper to drive round without it and just pay the fine as and when your caught.. Not that i'd suggest doing it with morals.. Although too many people do.. You have a great discussion topic here..
18th Sep 10 06:09

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mircu

Why are you all so angry becouse of ours EEU cars?! We pay all is necessary in our contry!
You want pepole from EEU to pay plenty money in UK ,but when is about benefits..........just for you guys.Don't you?!?!?!?!?!
You know,i remember a sad story from my father about comunist time in East Europe. Some pepole use to call or went to police station to give information about other pepole.Ofcourse they were payd for that. And all the time some pepole have suffered becouse of them. They were caled =INFORMERS OF SECURITY=
So , the question fox =INFORMERS OF SECURITY= is
Whay you do it for free !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
17th Sep 10 07:09

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CARINGONE

let all us british car drivers buy our cars from abroad.than we do not pay road tax or mot`s
good idea.I have seen 3 cars belonging polish men.with nothing on the screens no tax disc or anything.I think we have a goverment that just will not do anything as long as there getting tax
of the people working hard in this country.a few years down the line god help this country.I am
71yrs old and saw this country at it`s best AND THE LAW WAS THE LAW FOR EVERY ONE!
13th Sep 10 12:09

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Right, could someone please clarify me on this importing please! Would be most appreciated. I have a Fiat Scudo van bought in Germany and I am now trying to register it in the UK. I have my British MOT done and now I have to get insurance quoted at 897 pounds (this seems a heavy amount to me what do you guys think?) then I have to go to the DVLA with my MOT and proof of insurance and they will issue me road tax and British plates? Any help/advice appreciated!
9th Sep 10 05:09

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dave

dont be a jobsworth div, stop ringing dvla/police and:

1. just let all the tyres down every time you see a foreign motor
2. better still, smash the drivers window and crap on the drivers seat, job done!
31st Aug 10 04:08

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Hi, You simply can not buy a car and insure it in another EU-country, because you have to have a registered address in that country. Since you are not having a registered address, you can not register a car elsewhere. BTW Me as a foreign living in England, can not register my car as my address is a temporary address as DVLA said, so I need to wait until I get British nationality, then I can have a certificate, then I can register. Sad but true. My car is insured, I am paying tax and everything in my Homecountry and it is LEGAL. I am sorry for you, but this is clearly not our fault that You have to pay Road Tax and We foreign people do not have to. That is it.
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Cardiff resident

Where I live in Cardiff there are a family of poles who have corner shops and deliver to them every day in their Polish registered van.
EVERY night for the last 4 years it is parked up outside their home. This van never leaves Cardiff yet runs around all day with no tax and I doubt any insurance.
Yes your right to be peeved off. The laws a joke.
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scribbler

Indeed a prat. You do have to have insurance, MOT, registration from the country where the car is registered -- otherwise you are committing an offense. I will be dividing my time between work in the UK and my home in Italy. My car has all the required paperwork for Italy. I will not be re-registering the car in the UK because I will not be permanently in the UK and the car will be going back and forth. That is the case for many Europeans. No doubt you are one of those British twits who would like to leave the EU and dance around Maypoles.
15th Aug 10 09:08

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gumby

I think left hand drive cars r better that right hand drive cars because people dont nick them. Never lost 1 in my life! English cars plenty lost count.
11th Aug 10 04:08

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jonny

how would a non-uk car get resident permit or even parking in a city? I wonder because I see so many arab registered cars on central london. Unless they park in private carparks they risk being towed away??
24th Jul 10 04:07

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David

Surely the foreign vehicles pay tax, MOT and insurance in their respective countries and since they're most likely from the EU it probably won't be that difficult for the DVLA or the police to track them down if they needed to. Is this really your problem? (I am NOT going to pay £1,300 for car insurance here which was my best quote)
11th Jul 10 11:07

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klik

Get a life whinger and stop moaning about other peoples lives!
25th Jun 10 09:06

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Me

Call AJ Insurance,
They will find an insurance for you in a second
19th Jun 10 10:06

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Ostry

Dear english people, I really want to pay tax and register my foregin vehicle in UK but I can't do it. DVLA has give me one of conditions registering procedure is to buy englisch insurance. Unfortunately I can not find from couple weeks company witch can do this. Please help me, am really would like to support englisch road industry. email to me: ostryfuego@tlen.pl Ps. Sorry for bad englisch.
17th Jun 10 08:06

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john

ok Mr Hicks ,If I am involved in an accident the insurance company from the country where I made the insurance is going to cover all the damage I have done. So I dont think what im going to do is selfish at all. The only difference between registering the car here and in a foreign country is the price. I know that you can get a decent price for a car insurance here,but u know everyone has different point of view.
17th Jun 10 05:06

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Mr Hicks

john, I think you are being very selfish indeed. ok, so you may save a lot of money for yourself, but what if you are involved in an accident where you, yourself are to blame. The secondary injured party would have to pay up. There are many decent english car insurance companys that give a fair deal in these matters. Please reconsider and drive as a decent english motorist, not as some kind of nigerian or foreign johnny.
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thats what im doing. they dont really care. you can just buy a car from here go and register it in another country insure it and then come back . Thats it . Simple procedure and saves alot of money :)
17th Jun 10 01:06

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Adam

Just see Mr P message below and you will see clearly how decent law abiding people struggle to get their cars registered here in the UK. No wonder people do not bother. What eats me up is the bureaucracy here in the UK where local government agencies like councils, Immigration, DVLA etc frustrate foreigners with their red tape after charging them through their noses just because they are foriegn. The law always creates an impression that the system is straight forward and will stipulate that MOT, TAX and insurance are all you need but in reality the hidden costs and the red tape are always in the small print. Take UK cars to spain or anywhere in Europe and things are so straight forward you could be on the road within a week with minimum hussle. As long as this stupid attitude continues, there are always going to be people who would be reluctant to put themselves through such stress. So this fool had better mind his own business or join the police force if he really has a problem with the status quo.
16th Jun 10 09:06

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Freddie

To be honest who is this Mr Know it all who is trying to do work for the DVLA and Police? The law say clearly that european cars have to be in the UK for 6 months after which its registered. Its the job of DVLA to enter into their database all cars entering the UK so that people do not take advantage. I dont think its the writters job to ring the DVLA or the Police to report someone he believes if taking advantage of the law. What if the information he has is inaccurate or he just have an issue with the said driver of that vehicle, huh? Then you would be wasting police time, wont you? I believe this is sheer victimisation!!! If you care so much about this gap in the law why dont you talk to your local MP then? People like you are too petty because they have no job to go to. For all I care, you have been signing on for years, when you clearly can be useful to society!! Wise up my friend.
16th Jun 10 08:06

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Ralfff

I will be here for a studentship for 3 years and brought my car with me, taxed and insured in a EU country. I will definitely return after these 3 years and now do not know, what to do.
The actual owner of this car is my father, who is still in place. It is not worth to spend above 700 to change all these things and afterwards pay again to change it back. The insurance in my home country is about 120 GBP a year - here they do not recon my unclaimed years and would charge me with some 2000 a year!! I would with pleasour pay simply the road tax, but not all these other things for a car, which is worth only about 2000 GBP yet, but in perfect condition.
14th Jun 10 06:06

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M.K.

I lived in London her for 4 years never paid your road tax or inspected car.I hit cars in your carparks and drov away. No back in Poland and vist London two times year.
3rd Jun 10 09:06

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Let us look at this with a different perspective. We had our foreign registered car UK registered after watching the DVLA take photographs of our car with a warning sign, that they then removed and took back with them. Our car was taxed, inspected and insured in its EU country of origin.

We had the car registered at a cost of 700 Pounds for ridiculous things like the speedometer and headlamps changed. We also had to spend another 70 Pounds for a certificate from a VOSA agency, which looked at our garage receipts and verified that the work was done. Then come the greedy insurance companies, they take full advantage and give you very uncompetitive quotes. Most will not even insure you unless you have a registration number, then you have to deal with specialist companies. They make it as difficult as possible. A trip to the dentist to have wisdom teeth pulled would have been preferable. It took us 5 weeks to get the registration completed and it was a huge headache. Word of advice, let someone else do it, or sell your car abroad. It is easier with an older car, just make sure it is old enough.

Just today, the DVLA guy did another drive by to check our car, and you should have seen the shocked expression on his face. He was obviously biding his time (6 months), I'd hate to know what unpleasantness would have been in store for us. I don't think the DVLA was acting completely lawfully though in this case. Why the photos and then not leave the warning????
3rd Jun 10 07:06

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MikeP

"For both the CT and the insurance cars display a sticker showing their dates of expiry and as far as the French police are concerned as long as those are in place and valid, and the driver has a licence, French, UK, or any other European, then they are just not interested."

Not so much not interested, but they don't really know the regulations, nor do they know how long the car has been in France, and they are not looking for trouble, unless the driver is arrogant or abusive. The problems would arise in the event of an accident, where the insurer would repudiate the claim on the basis that the car is not being used in compliance with the law, and the onus for that is on the owner.

Everything you've said is correct, and can be summed up simply. If the car is not legal in the country where it's registered, it's not legal anywhere else either. If it's been in another EU country for more than six months, and/or does not have a valid UK MOT and insurance, it's illegal.
1st Jun 10 12:06

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MikeP

"If you buy a car, keep it for ever and never go on the Peage there is no road tax in France !" ..... apart from the tax and duty you pay on the fuel.
1st Jun 10 12:06

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Kinel

Don't wish to deviate from the topic but although there is indeed no road tax as such the French make up for it in other ways. Firstly there is a fee to pay when you register a car both for the first time and the same again every time the car is sold during it's entire life. Losely Based on engine size thypically for a medium sized family car this might be around €150. Start getting silly and getting into 3lt + territory and the price can go stratospheric, at the extremity a Bugatti Veyron would cost an eye watering €3500, and remember that's each time it changes hands!

Secondly of course is by way of the motorway or Peage fees which can be quite expensive, particularly if towing where if over 2m high the fee is doubled. A return trip say down to the South coast could cost maybe €100 in a car and double that with a caravan. So perhaps the statement is better expreesed, If you buy a car, keep it for ever and never go on the Peage there is no road tax in France !
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Kinel, well you learn something every day, I didn't know that non business vehicles didn't have to pay road tax in france, think how much their country saves in administration as well,

Tax disc printing, post office counters, their DVLA, police costs, court costs, tax disc clamping vehicles, then the hour or so every year to go out and buy the disc,

Why can't we have this here? oh I know why? the rich would then have to pay more tax if the road tax costs went onto the actual price of petrol as they do more miles than the poorer workers.
1st Jun 10 10:06

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Kinel

The problem is not a one way street. In France for instance, where I now live, there are literally thousands of Brits still driving around on UK plates, sometimes many years after bringing the car over. The law here is quite explicit on the point: If you are French resident then you have one month to re-register. There is also the same law about residents being prohibited from driving foreign registered vehicles and the 6 months in any 12 rule applies too, this one is EU wide in fact. Unfortunately the non compliance is encouraged by the fact that the MOT stations (CT in France) are perfectly willing and able to test non French registered vehicles, as are the insurance companies to insure them. There is no road tax in France. For both the CT and the insurance cars display a sticker showing their dates of expiry and as far as the French police are concerned as long as those are in place and valid, and the driver has a licence, French, UK, or any other European, then they are just not interested.
1st Jun 10 09:06

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MikeP

"The DVLA totally fudged the question and just said that as long as some one can read a number plate there is no restriction on the wearing of a viel across the face."

There are restrictions on driving a car with blacked out windows, specifically how dark they can be, and whilst this may be safety related in terms of the driver's outward view, I believe it is also related to the driver being visible from outside. This being so, I would be surprised if full concealment of the face is allowed.

I don't know, this is only an opinion, but you may wish to look it up or ask the police.
29th May 10 05:05

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I was hit by a car with foriegn number plates, and the driver was dressed in an Islamic Burkha which totally masked the face for identity purposes. I reported it and the Police asked me would I be able to recognise the driver? I said no they had a Burkha on. The Police did not want to know after that. I wrote to my MP and the DVLA. The MP did nothing, as most of the votes in my area are from the Islamic communitty so that wouldnt do him any favours. The DVLA totally fudged the question and just said that as long as some one can read a number plate there is no restriction on the wearing of a viel across the face. I have been campaigning for years for the DVLA to put road tax on fuel, that way no one can avoid it, and foriegn drivers have to pay, the more you ude the more you pay. There response was, oh we cant check if cars have Insurance and MOT (this was in the 80s), now with a data base and number plate recognistion system what is thier argument? Oh it would put too many people at the DVLA out of work? This country punishes its own law abiding citizens and its for that reason I too have now purchsed a car from abroad and show two fingers to a system I tried to make better but they dont want to listen. May be if an MP or thier family was affected somehting would be done about it. Absolute captulation.
29th May 10 04:05

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andy

I think its an absolute p*** take that if you not from the u.k you dont have to pay road tax unless you are here for 6 months. but if you go back to the e.u it starts again. I was a day late getting road tax and my car got towed.
26th May 10 08:05

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BeamMeUpScotty

Well to those saying he should butt out. I think what he is meaning is foreign registered cars that have been here over the 6 month rule, haven't been out the country but still have no tax disc, meaning they haven't reregistered the car in the UK, which probablyh means they have no insurance and no MOT so if they pile into you you are ******. Robben, if you are going in and out the country and it is registered and insured in Germany then you aren't busting the law. I think he is on about our new friends from eastern europe. As far as I am aware just because you may have paid road tax in the country of origin for the year, if you have been in the UK more than 6 months with that car then you have to pay UK road tax.
16th May 10 07:05

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Robben

you have a problem, there are people that do there business in europe and buy there car there, like myself, I have a german registered car, I drive to europe quite often for work related business.

The car is registered in EUROPE, where we do pay road tax, insurance.
If you done that to me, I would certainly kick your ass.
Yes I do also bring back proof of being abroad in the car too.

You should mind you own business, not but into others.
Anyway, you have a UK licence, so it wouldnt work.

I have even informed the police about my car and what happens

Anyway, my final words: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
16th May 10 05:05

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Stan

What's your problem? Is your hobby grassing up people? Any pain in the ass that you pay and someone else does not have to?
By th way - they pay. Just in another EU country. You can also pay in the UK and drive for example in Italy.
It is your problem taht you pay your tribute in UK, where they rip you off.
14th May 10 10:05

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Traffic Cop

Visitors to the UK can drive a foreign registered vehicle in the UK for 6 months before they need to register it with the DVLA providing the vehicle then leaves the UK, so that the vehicle is never in the UK for more than 6 months at any one time. However if the driver / owner of the vehicle is resident in the UK it must be registered with the DVLA immediately and it cannot be lawfully driven or kept on the road. In this case the offences are No Insurance, No MOT (if over 3 years old) and No tax. Enforcement responsibility is with the police. It is the responsibility of the driver to provide the proof of when the vehicle entered the UK and is required to have the evidence with them at all times.
5th May 10 05:05

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Traffic Cop

Visitors to the UK can drive a foreign registered vehicle in the UK for 6 months before they need to register it with the DVLA providing the vehicle then leaves the UK, so that the vehicle is never in the UK for more than 6 months at any one time. However if the driver / owner of the vehicle is resident in the UK it must be registered with the DVLA immediately and it cannot be lawfully driven or kept on the road. In this case the offences are No Insurance, No MOT (if over 3 years old) and No tax. Enforcement responsibility is with the police. It is the responsibility of the driver to provide the proof of when the vehicle entered the UK and is required to have the evidence with them at all times.
3rd May 10 04:05

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COCERNED BRITISH DRIVER

I don't want any excuses about what the police,DVLA cannot do I want to know what they are going to do about this unfair treatment of UK car owners.Does this fact mean that because I drive a vehicle registered in the UK I MUST pay road tax,acquire an MOT and have vehicle insurance and any unregestered uk vehicle do not have to,and here was I believing that the EEC were a community who shared EQUAL values and laws or is it the truth that once again the British Tax Payer are being hammered by our negligent goverment ministers-Labour/Tory/ Libs included.We cannot find sufficient funds to pay for our troops requirements,pay pensioners a decent standard of pension etc,etc but our goverment can choose to ignore this massive cash potential that would help alleviate some of our financial burdens. Dare I say "would it not be a more sensible idea to allow these drivers the right to drive in the UK for six months on their Polish licence and after that period be required to sit a british test,including the theory test, as a great percentage of them can speak english but not read it, ather than allow thousands,if not tens of thousands,of un-taxed,non-insured vehicles,non-mot'd vehicles being allowed on British Roads.
3rd May 10 10:05

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smith

You need to get your facts right before complaining, especially to the authorities. My wife is foreign and we have her car here in UK. We have tax, insurance and MOT (more stringent than the UKs) certificate. It is good to have a gripe, but moan about something where you might have a good point and not make yourself look a dimwit.
29th Apr 10 04:04

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kwkwkw

do u have problem with this??? im polish and I got a car in uk. I heve to pay insurance in poland I heve to do mot every year so we are legaly driving uk roads...and also we pay ROAD TAX...
28th Apr 10 05:04

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gainsborough lad.

No, you are expecting every one else on here to think that I am assuming that, (read it again)

Brilliant original nickname by the way,
26th Apr 10 10:04

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what a moron you are!!! So you assume that all foreign cars are illegal???

F....k you man!!!!!!
26th Apr 10 10:04

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Sky

All these foreign vehicles belong to someone who does pay road tax(within the EU)cars got international insurance(green card) and Mot otherwise you couldnt insure your car!Owning a foreign vehicle in the UK doesnt mean you have got nothing to pay after your car, you pay insurance,road tax and Mot within the EU so purchasing a car from abroad is not the best idea...
25th Apr 10 10:04

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gainsborough lad.

It seems to be that you just have to go out and buy a left hand drive car, stick any plate on it, and you then escape paying road tax, MOT, and insurance,

Just for the inconveniance of the steering wheel being on the wrong side of the dashboard.
24th Apr 10 09:04

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Smiffy

I've seen a Californian registered car here in the UK and the US tag tax is dated June 2007 and the Police say they can do nothing...Why do I pay £200 a year for my road fund licence, £54 for an MOT - Rule for the Brits and everyone else from a foreign country just sticks two fingers up at the system and gets away with it.
24th Apr 10 03:04

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EU CITIZEN

REMEMBER! SPYING IN EU IS CRIMINAL OFFENCE. This is not your job to check if the car is permanently in UK. You do not know if car crossed the border few monts ago because of holiday or trip to France. A ferry ticket is an evidence that the car meets law requirements. Only authorised persons like police officers can check it, not you. This is not your job and this is not your business.
22nd Apr 10 01:04

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Estonian

It is not good thing spying on your neighbours. I am driving a car on Estonian number plates about 6 months. And belive me I do pay insurance and MOT. Only thing I do not pay is road tax. My situation is the same as xSpirit 15-Mar-2010 18:22. I did tried to sell my car really cheap, two times, but no one even rang me.
14th Apr 10 04:04

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richard

I am a bit confused. I have seen a foreign registered motor car (Guernsey) with a current DVLA licence issued to that foreign number plate! A Daihatsu number 801201 seen at Duxford 11.4.10. So it seems DVLA do have some input and the information given to you was wrong.
13th Apr 10 09:04

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FRED SMITH

OMG No wonder this country is going to the dogs. Wat a bloddy front. I always thought if you were in a foreign country you had to abide by its rules except England well done england youve managed to do it again, like the comment above I hope they dont kill someone or crash into your pride and joy. This should be stopped now. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11th Apr 10 08:04

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kr7331r

I do understand Your point of view It can be upseting if those vehicles are beeing used for a long period However if according to the law it's enough to leave the UK after 6months and they comply with the requirment it's nothing to do with the police neither with DVLA I wish it was the same situation in the country I come from Instead of it Even if I want to buy a british car and register it it's not allowed!be proud You live in the democratic country my friend!
7th Apr 10 11:04

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HB

I will always be surprised how people have the time to spy on others and be nasty but happy to go on holiday abroad or buy properties and...no comments. (i pay my road tax + MOT and I disagree totally with people denuniciating others...

A Really stupid reaction and the Police has definitely other more important things to do...

HB
7th Apr 10 02:04

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tony

foreign drivers do pay tax ....it's on the petrol!!! just like we do.. the road fund licence is just a UK tax in disguise..
4th Apr 10 01:04

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tony

well with the way the government is screwing the driver I am about to recomend that all my friends buy foreign registered cars....
4th Apr 10 01:04

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j

Foreign people want to pay road tax!!!!! Even extra bit if required!!!! Just give us a chance without spend hundreds (thousands sometimes) of pounds!

To re-register the car for these that do not know how long they will stay it is too expensive!!!!
1st Apr 10 04:04

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Danny G

GS,

It would've have been easier buying a car in the UK. I have lived in Germany and other countries and purchased cars on their network and all has been well.

Refering to your post, the remainder may be stupid costs but they are stupid costs to every law abiding citizen within the UK. Moaning about it will become tiresome and will only result in upset.

Welcome to Britain and get your wallet out for boy you are going to have to pay. The government is not here to do you any favours, they don't like people very much only their money.
31st Mar 10 04:03

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cathar

This country is open to all frauds possible backed up by Police and government. If you are indigenous you can understand how the aborginies feel. Injustice will come around to those who dish it out
31st Mar 10 03:03

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David

just read your article on road tax for foreign cars, it is unbelieveable what they can get away with,i have just informed the police in regards to two cars with foreign plates and no road tax on them !! as you have stated in your article there is nothing we can do as tax payers,it doesnt just stop there!!!! does it?
18th Mar 10 09:03

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Exactly. Car I bought for 43000 PLN at the end of 2008 I an sell now for about 23000 PLN. Plus I invested about 5000 in repairs. So that's a nice loss of 25000 PLN = 6000 pounds.

Reregistering:
Certificate of conformance 110 GBP,
Headlamps 200GBP,
Instrument cluster 100GBP,
VCA 70 GBP,
Registration 55 GBP,
MOT 50 GBP,
Insurance based on chassis number approx 150 GBP over a standard insurance policy. (Yes, believe it or not this insurance policy costs about 150 GBP extra and covers only driving from my home to an MOT and the DVLA!!)

Total: 735 GBP. Of these points the headlamps are the only one I do not dispute. The remainder are just stupid costs.
16th Mar 10 01:03

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P.P.S. Sorry for my poor english as I'm in this country just a little more that one year. My reasons for driving lithuanian car are the same as GS's. I would sell my car in Lithuania, but on this economical situation they have in there - nobody is going to pay me the real value of my car.
15th Mar 10 06:03

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xSpirit

I live in UK and I own a foreign vehicle as well. Just can't understand why you worry about it so much, don't u have anything else to do?
P.S. I was stopped by police once and they ASKED for insurance policy document, also I have MOT, just it was passed in another EU country.
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I really agree that foreign cars should pay road tax as well, but when I wanted to buy one I faced a fact that you can't buy a road tax for a foreign vehicle.
15th Mar 10 06:03

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MikeP

The posting by GS is absolutely spot on. He sums up the problem accurately and he writes clearly and in perfect English - better than most native English speakers can do. Once again, proof of the superiority of the Eastern European work ethic and educational system.

The EU was meant to simplify bureaucracy and make life easier for people who need to move between its countries. For most people it has done the opposite, by introducing an additional layer of bureaucracy for which everyone ends up paying so that those useless leeches in Brussels and Straßburg can live a life of idle luxury.
10th Mar 10 03:03

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GS

Please try to see 'our' point of view. I am from Poland and have been working in the UK for just over a year now. I had my car in the UK for two months last year and have brought it back recently. I am not sure if I want to stay here for longer then till the end of this year.

Let's investigate my options:

1. I can reregister the car in the UK. This involves a cost of around 700 GBP for the paperwork and parts. When I have to go back to Poland I'll need to probably spend a few hundred quid to reregister it back. Add lost time to that. Note that when the car is UK registered I have quite a problem back in Poland. Being a Polish national I have to prove I live abroad if I am stopped by the police in Poland. Believe me - the police in Poland can be real idiots. If I take my car to Poland I can't let anyone other then myself drive it.

2. Sell my car in Poland and buy one in the UK. I'll incur a huge loss as given the current economic situation I can get far less for my car than what I paid for it and what it is worth to me. I'll loose on the one I buy and sell in the UK as well.

3. Have two cars - one in Poland, one in UK. I still end up losing money on the one I buy and sell in the UK, I pay double insurance. I don't have money for a second car so I need to pay interest on a loan.

So - a tough and costly choice as you can see. I would be very very happy if I could simply pay the UK road tax without having to reregister my car. Or if I could reregister it in some temporary way without having to make modifications to it. Given the sheer volume of people from Poland in the the UK the government could intoduce such possibilities.
10th Mar 10 02:03

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your other neighbour

You're an idiot mate. What is real your problem? It sounds like you hate this neighbor and have nothing to do but being a pain in the ....!
10th Mar 10 10:03

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confused

In Guernsey there is no MOT or Tax and they are not part of the EU, although part of Great Britain not part of the United Kindom.How do the rules apply to Guernsey registered car driving on mainland UK roads?. Anybody Know?.
9th Mar 10 07:03

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Al

Man, you are an idiot with nothing else to do. A big pain in the ass for foreigners. Calling the police? Jesus, find something to do mate, for your life.
7th Mar 10 04:03

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confused

In Guernsey there is no MOT or Tax and they are not part of the EU, although part of Great Britain not part of the United Kindom.How do the rules apply to Guernsey registered car driving on mainland UK roads?. Anybody Know?.
6th Mar 10 08:03

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macilaci

And that means I leave every 5 months the UK, coming back in two weeks and do not pay for something, what is in Europa FREE!!! (using streets, roads, motorways ) god thanks only countries like uk have not enough money to tolerant foreign vehicles. Europa do not like isolated english rip off road tax!!!
2nd Mar 10 02:03

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macilaci

Sorry I found this in the international agreement over foreign cars
Bringing Vehicles into the UK
There are international agreements which provide for the temporary use of a vehicle in a foreign country for a limited time, usually 6 months in a 12 month period. It is the responsibility of the driver to prove how long the vehicle has been in the country. A visitor to the U.K. may use a vehicle displaying foreign plates, provided that all taxes (including vehicle excise duty) are paid in their country of origin. If the car leaving the country for short time, the using begins from 0
2nd Mar 10 01:03

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macilaci

In normal countries (Europa) road tax not exist or is built in the petrol prices. 'cos of you living in a not normal country, you think all people are so idiot like you. Foreign cars have insurance, gov'ment tax, MOT and are allowed to drive in the whole EU with no restrictions except UK, after 6 months the car must be registered, but only for take money from pocket. Do not be afraid, 99% of these cars are insured and taxed, have MOT and if you do not like this system move to germany or cerna gora there is no problem with road tax or driving
2nd Mar 10 01:03

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Carl

I think you should really either get a life, or alternatively seek a job as a traffic warden/policeman...

A foreign insurance is valid in the UK, so is a foreign Mot, or are you forgetting we are part of the EU and adhere to the same regulations??

I am actually a foreigner too, but been living here for donkeys years..

I would be more concerned with all the lunatics out there diving without a license, insurance or brains for that matter!

Get a life mate!
28th Feb 10 09:02

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Davo

I have a car that is parked upon my driveway, my summer car and because I never declared as SORN I've just been stung for penalties. I put my hands up to this and will pay the penalties and purchase a tax disc.

At no time was I ever driving the car with not tax or insurance.

Yet, all these that do drive around with no tax and insurance probably never get caught, never receive penalties through their letterbox.

They are able to track me for I have always paid in the past and the moment I don't, they are onto me like a bad rash.
24th Feb 10 02:02

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alfie

The people who say get a life are probably enjoying their sponging life style to much to care ...lets just hope its not one of their ten kids that get knocked over ....although its one less for us tax payers to cough up for.... there are polish guys who work at the same place one earn 600 hundred plus a week as I do but still drive around with no tax ,insurance etc and actually laugh at us openly and f@*k the uk and its taxes .......
24th Feb 10 01:02

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RT

"The guy who wrote the above is obviously an idiot. Does he not know that a foreign registered car, say from France still has to have insurance and an up to date MOT? Tell him to get a life!"
more intelligent person!

Dear "more intelligent person!"

Yet another who feels it necessary to resort to an abusive response! Think your missing the point. If you read the initial gripe, it talks about foreign vehicles being driven in this country on a permanent bases that have not been registered, insured or issued with a valid MOT.

I can't imagine anyone having a problem with a foreign vehicle, let say French, being driven on UK roads without the above. Provided there just here on their holidays etc and they have the equivalent from their own country.

Now, lets try a intelligent none abusive reply!
20th Feb 10 08:02

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lennon

stop pissing and moaning. Live your life, stop being an angry neighbor. Do what is right and let everyone else decide wheter or not they want to. Too many people go through life being angry.
19th Feb 10 05:02

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nvmd

6 months is still too long,if they plan on living here they should get the car registered within a few months,after that take and crush it,just like if we had no tax.

@ shiki
how is it racist,you'll be the 1st one moaning when a non reg'd car kills 1 of your kids/relative and no 1 knows who the hell it was who done it.obviousley your 1 of the people doing this.
14th Feb 10 08:02

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limbo

Totally agree foreign cars should pay road tax when the person is blatantly living in this country and avoiding the tax, happily using the roads that everyone else has to pay (a lot) for, safe in the knowledge they cannot be traced for any motoring offences.
Obviously people visiting the country on a temporary basis e.g. on holiday should be allowed to and are perfectly entitled to just as British cars can drive in other countries.
There is a foreign car belonging to a person living in my street. It has no UK tax and I'm willing to bet no insurance either. I very much doubt it would pass a UK MOT either judging by the state of it. The fact that Police/DVLA don't want to know is a disgrace.
11th Feb 10 07:02

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more intelligent person!

The guy who wrote the above is obviously an idiot. Does he not know that a foreign registered car, say from France still has to have insurance and an up to date MOT? Tell him to get a life!
10th Feb 10 02:02

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RT

Couldn't agree more with the author of this Gripe!

Interesting that all the negative and frankly unnecessary abusive responses are written in very poor English! Foreign car owners dodging tax, insurance and MOT's by any chance?
8th Feb 10 12:02

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susan

I am not sure about Englsh Law, however, in Scotland the traffic wardens issues tickets on foreign vehicle with no british road tax. I do not know how they come to the conclusion that the stated vehicle has been in the country for more than 6 months but this has happened to colleagues of mine.
4th Feb 10 11:02

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arnold anderson

no wonder our roads are full of these people. if the law turns its head on the issue.
it can only cause more and more acidents,surly the goverment neads to addres this as soon as posibale
25th Jan 10 05:01

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Io

"Not 12 months, they become illegal after 6 months"

Sorry 6 months!!!

6 months in12 months time!
22nd Jan 10 08:01

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crash override

"Not 12 months, they become illegal after 6 months"

Sorry 6 months!!!
20th Jan 10 10:01

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MikeP

"It concerns me when I see cars on streets I walk pass everyday that have been here longer than 12 months (after which it becomes technically illegal)."

Not 12 months, they become illegal after 6 months.
20th Jan 10 07:01

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crash override

It concerns me when I see cars on streets I walk pass everyday that have been here longer than 12 months (after which it becomes technically illegal). It makes it harder for the police to track down (where in this country they live) on their ANPR, also other offences such as insurance, road tax can't be picked up and unpaid fines. I also notice mainly these cars tend to be in a poor condition (e.g quite worn tyres) and also beat up.
20th Jan 10 07:01

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shiki

Shame on you mate. What do you think British people does in Spain?
17th Jan 10 06:01

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zero cool

You seem like a really big racist idiot , Please don't pollute the Internet with your own weekly gripes.
I can't stand this awful people who just can't mind their own F business .
16th Jan 10 05:01

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Me

Are you taking a piss now?
Forget about it man ! I am wasting my time with you. I cannot explain it better!! You do not want to understand!

No even a commet on this one?

"there are cases of British people living abroad that have come back to visit family ( more than ones a year) and got clamped!!"

I salute you!
11th Jan 10 10:01

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MikeP

"Is it clear now??"

Obviously not to you. I have no further time to waste on you. I suggest you contact the police or DVLA for a full explanation, unless you have something to fear from them.
11th Jan 10 10:01

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Me

There is not such sentence in the regulation. This is the meaning of it. And I have already explained you why. With the words continuously or otherwise you could stay in Uk for 6 months continuously or spread in the 12 months( otherwise). Now if you are spotted twice 7 months apart your car gets clamped! But who says that I have been your 7 months or just twice in 7 months?? Police does not accept ferry tickets as proof!
There are cases of British people living abroad that have come back to visit family ( more than ones a year) and got clamped!!!!! Is it clear now??
11th Jan 10 09:01

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MikeP

"At the momet a tourist cannot come to visit UK for more than ones a in12 months! "

Where in the DVLA regulations is that stated?
11th Jan 10 08:01

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Me

I think you have me confused with someone else. I have read your comment. But what you think about the ambigous law. At the momet a tourist cannot come to visit UK for more than ones a in12 months! Is that fair for you? What is so complicate to understand that MikeP could not understand?
10th Jan 10 10:01

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Gainsborough lad.

Me, I commented on this subject on 2nd Jan this year (twice) and the 2nd Sep last year,

You started to offend me with your childish insulting instead of well worded griping,

"Who am I big lad"? there would be no point in me stating who I think you are, you would only deny it, but I doubt it very much if we will ever see "Me" in the top posters. (unless all your collective names were added together)
10th Jan 10 08:01

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Gainsborough lad

Heve you read all the comments?? Have you seen who started to offend?? I presume not!

Any commet on the subject by the way?
Who am I big lad?
10th Jan 10 08:01

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Gainsborough lad.

Me, you have ran out of intellectual words and now just resort to childish insults,

I would suggest that the next time you are on here, that you act a bit more like an adult,

I have a good idea who you are. no doubt it will be another new name before long.
10th Jan 10 08:01

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Me

Goodbye small brain, goodbye! Inform yourself before open that big mouth you got!!!!! I salute you!
10th Jan 10 06:01

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MikeP

You are talking rubbish and simply arguing for the sake of so doing. My view is clear, I have answered your questions fully and accurately, and having nothing further to say to you which I could put on this board, I bid you goodbye.
10th Jan 10 06:01

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Me

You are avoiding my question because you don't have an answer!!! This has been brought in front of the EU Court my man! Lots of people find it ambiguous!
As it is the law now if you are spotted twice 7 months apart your car is pounded while with the words continuosly or otherwise they could not! So if you are a tourist and love England you have big chances to get f....d!!
10th Jan 10 06:01

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MikeP

Poor fellow 'me'.

You clearly don't understand the difference between a 2 month period, and a calendar year. You also don't have any ablitiy to understand written English.

May I suggest you go back to school or ask a grown up to explain this to you. Are you old enough to drive?
10th Jan 10 05:01

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me

MikeP use the brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Without these words the law has been completely changed!!
Now if you have a French friend that come to visit you on 10th Jan 2010 for 2 days and come back to visit you on the 5th Jan 2011 for another 2 days he can have his car pounded if spotted both times!!! Do you find it fair big mouth???
10th Jan 10 05:01

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Mike P

Before to open your mouth connect the brain dude!
I understand that you know nothing then!!! Read all the comments so you will know what we are talking about !

I will help you:

1982 EU rules that cars registered and taxed in one European country could travel freely in any other European country for up to six months, continuously or otherwise.
DVLA deleted the words “continuously or otherwise” Cars are being impounded without any warning and their drivers forced to pay £420 to get them back.

Give us your opinion now, but remember to connect the brain to your fingers.......
10th Jan 10 05:01

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Mike P

Before to open your mouth connect the brain dude!
I understand that you know nothing then!!! Read all the comments so you will know what we are talking about !

I will help you:

1982 EU rules that cars registered and taxed in one European country could travel freely in any other European country for up to six months, continuously or otherwise.
DVLA deleted the words “continuously or otherwise” Cars are being impounded without any warning and their drivers forced to pay £420 to get them back.

Give us your opinion now, but remember to connect the brain to your fingers.......
10th Jan 10 04:01

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MikeP

As the words 'continuously or otherwise' used in conjunction are conflicting, it makes sense that they have been removed, and doing so clarifies the issue, although perhaps not to you.

I don't need your help, I have a clearer understanding than you do, and to be honest anyone who addresses someone else as 'dude' is really not worthy of respect. It conjures up an image of a dreadlocked idiot wearing a backwards (as in brain) baseball cap and I really have no wish to converse with that class of person. I suggest you go down to your local police station and ask them to clarify the matter for you.

For the benefit of others, it's perfectly clear on the DVLA website :

QUOTE
Temporarily importing a vehicle
Visitors to the UK can usually use a vehicle displaying foreign number plates for six months. This can be made up of a single visit or several shorter visits in a 12-month period, provided all taxes, including vehicle tax, are paid in the country of origin.

Foreign plates
If a vehicle with foreign plates is stopped by the police, it's the responsibility of the keeper to show that they are allowed to use the vehicle in the UK without registering and taxing it.
UNQUOTE
10th Jan 10 04:01

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Mike P

Before to open your mouth connect the brain dude!
I understand that you know nothing then!!! Read all the comments so you will know what we are talking about !

I will help you:

1982 EU rules that cars registered and taxed in one European country could travel freely in any other European country for up to six months, continuously or otherwise.
DVLA deleted the words “continuously or otherwise” Cars are being impounded without any warning and their drivers forced to pay £420 to get them back.

Give us your opinion now, but remember to connect the brain to your fingers.......
10th Jan 10 03:01

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MikeP

Me

You seem to be talking rubbish although your little diatribe is barely understandable.

"Why don't you comment the fact that DVLA has cancelled two fundamnetal words from the law to f.....ck innocent tourist! "

What two words?

Bona fide tourists do not stay in the country for more than 6 months, which is the length of the exemption.

Try to make an effort to understand what is in front of you before you shoot your mouth off.
10th Jan 10 12:01

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Mike P

you just comment what is convinient for you eh mate????
Why don't you comment the fact that DVLA has cancelled two fundamnetal words from the law to f.....ck innocent tourist! Why don't youcomment this now?
10th Jan 10 12:01

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KK

Engage brain before opening mouth. Several of your contentions are incorrect.

"Foreign cars dont pay uk road tax because you pay one in the country where the car comes from. "
Correct, but the exemption is only for 6 months. If the car is another country for longer than 6 months it becomes subject to registration requirements in that country. This is EU legislation and whether you or I agree with it is irrelevant.

"Cant believe someone can be that nasty and go into extend as calling dvla or police. thats jelousy and pure hate."
If you had ever been in an accident with an untaxed, uninsured motorist, you would see this differently. It is the same as reporting any crime.

"Oh, and by the way, you CANNOT just go and buy a car in foreign contry if you are not a permanent resident of that country."
Yes you can. I own vehicles, legally registered, taxed, and insured, in my name, in three countries of which I am not a permanent resident.
9th Jan 10 12:01

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KK

Sad sad man you are. So much hateress.

Foreign cars dont pay uk road tax because you pay one in the country where the car comes from. However, you do need green card for the car, which means you do need to pay international insurance which also covers your road tax in EU countries. Cant believe someone can be that nasty and go into extend as calling dvla or police. thats jelousy and pure hate. Oh, and by the way, you CANNOT just go and buy a car in foreign contry if you are not a permanent resident of that country. As a UK resident you would have to register that car here straight away. Get your facts right, not all foreigners are taking the mikka. Go to library and read something positive.
9th Jan 10 12:01

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Paolo

That is it Jack. Exactly that!! I would not mind to pay tax road here. Not at all! The process is a nightmare. You will never be able to insurance your car if you do not have UK plate and viceversa!!

A joke!!!!
5th Jan 10 01:01

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Jack

I am a foreign resident in the UK and one of my car is still registered with foreign plates. I wanted to register it in the uk, but this simple fact actually start a massive amount of time consuming paper work. If you vehicle is too old and needs MOT you need to modify it so that it can pass it which includes changing the front light and is a very expensive process ! Then you need to insure it in the UK which is a pain if you have a EU license ...
So if you are only staying a year or two and you know you will have to do the all process again when you come back a lot of people won't bother, not to avoid paying tax in the UK but because it's so expensive and complicated.
4th Jan 10 12:01

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Gainsborough lad.

Clarence, I do recall that the idea of road charging has been dropped for now, but if it did ever go ahead, just think of the extra government administration jobs that it could create, (now that's a good idea to give fifty thousand people a well paid job)

In fact, why doesn't the government just invent loads more administration jobs, all with great salarys and gold plated pensions, six million people to run the country is simply not enough! just do it Gordon...... what could go wrong?
2nd Jan 10 05:01

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Mark

I work for the DVLA and I can tell you it's the managers who just dont care about the few foreigners.. their objective is to hit UK residents HARD!
2nd Jan 10 05:01

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Clarence

Theres plans to change uk Road tax to a 'black box' that uses GPS to charge you according to the road you're on, say 2p on a country road but more like £1.30 on busy roads like the M25.. ridiculous, just tax petrol, the more you emit the more you pay..
2nd Jan 10 05:01

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LookUp

Exactly EuroCitizen. Whatever people think about Europe, while we have the EU it makes total sense to harmonize car registration EU wide. Also put ditch road tax and putthe average equivalent on fuel and it would be sorted.
2nd Jan 10 05:01

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Euro Citizen

It is clear that all cars need to be registered in the future in Europe: not Britain, not Lithuania, not Spain. Why should a car cost more in Estonia, than in Slovenia? Why are the most expensive cars to be found in Finland? Why does Portugal charge such a high registration fee? Why can't I conduct my MOT anywhere I like? Why can't insure my car anywhere I choose? Why is no-claims bonus in UK such a scam?
2nd Jan 10 04:01

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Gainsborough lad.

Lookup, In this day and age it would seem logical to put the road tax on petrol, it would also be beneficial towards climate change, as the price of fuel would cost more per litre,

But they won't put the road tax on petrol, because a lot of red tape jobs depend on the tax disc,

The tax disc printers and distribution network, the post office counter people, the police departments dealing with the people who haven't got a tax disc, the courts, the tax disc clamping veichles, all these jobs depend on the tax disc, putting it on petrol would mean these people wouldn't have anything to do.
2nd Jan 10 08:01

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LookUp

The EU (and member states') law is that a vehicle has to be registered after 6 months if the owner is resident in the country in which the vehicle is being kept. If a car is kept longer than that on foreign plates then it is a police issue because the person is breaking the law. Same applies where I live in France. Those are the facts what is needed is to ditch all road tax and put the tax on petrol only, and European plates if the EU is to remain.
2nd Jan 10 12:01

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gix

Why bother with tax or insurance for foreign drivers if they hit you ; you can not claim as it is too much bother for the insurance companys to chase them and the police certainly don't want too know it is a case of give you a crime number and claim off your own insurance.
15th Dec 09 08:12

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I don’t think the DVLA’s intention is to brand all foreign cars as “outlaws”, but having a foreign car in the UK is a way of circumventing certain laws and is something criminals can and do use.

Lets try to remember this law is about the road tax. You may have German (or whatever country) MOT, Tax and Insurance. But, is your German road TAX paying for the maintenance of the UK roads which you are using? No, its not!

Now before you start claiming its unfair, remember this only applies after 6 months. So what the DVLA is asking is that if you drive your foreign car in the UK for more than a 6 months period you should pay UK road tax. The intension is you pay towards the maintenance of our road system, which by then you have used extensivly.

Yes, I know very little of the road TAX actually goes on road maintenance, but that is a separate issue – so please don’t go down that route of argument.

Im not sure how the road tax application form works for foreign documents, but I would think they would accept them as proof of MOT and Insurance when applying for your road tax. If not then I agree this needs to be changed.

The fact is that people with foreign plates speed, have accidents, run people over, perform criminal acts and get away with it more easily than people with UK plates. A criminal with a stolen or fake plated UK car has a chance of getting caught if seen by UK police. Not so with a stolen or fake plated Lithuanian car (just a random example not implying all of you are criminals).
15th Dec 09 08:12

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Allan

I guess this person has no job and is on benefit, the law says they can drive the vehicle up to six month and if the vehicle is not registered after six month then it's non of your business. let the dvla or the police handle the situation rather than you doing their job for them. So I guess you're one of them unemployers out there. GET A LIFE
14th Dec 09 11:12

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Another foreign

You still need to have the MOT and Tax from the country where it came from... If the person doesnt do it. He is risking is driving license or in case of accident he will be risking his personal live.
The same with UK car.
14th Dec 09 02:12

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Me

Let me know the end of this story Sha. EU need to stop this crime by DVLA against innocent tourist!s
12th Dec 09 07:12

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Sha

I'm German and I'm driving my German car over here in the UK. It is fully insured, taxed and has a valid equivalent to your MOT, the German TÜV. I go back frequently and sometimes leave the car with my family for a couple of months. The German TÜV guaranties the car's technical fitness far more than the MOT especially when it comes to emissions. Most of the UK cars would not pass it with respect to the low emission limit. But as far as I know we don't fine you for polluting our streets when you drive your cars in our country.
With my registration No. I can be traced easily for any offence and do get fines and penalties sent to my home address from anywhere in Europe.
My car has been in fact clamped last night by the DVLA even though it has not been over here continiously for 6 months yet. I could not contact them yet but it looks like I have to pay a huge fine - precisely because there is no common sense or logic to it.
10th Dec 09 05:12

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kaspar

Dont be ridiculous, if you want EVERY vehicle to be registred on the enternance to UK, You not gonna get much tourists are you? I am pretty sure if police would want they could contact police in the country of the car and find out who is the owner, they always do that with pictures from speed cameras. And people, dont you have anything more interesting to do? Stop wasting Police time, I, despite I am foreigner I pay taxes for police and I would rather preffer if they spend their time locking drunk teenage british gangsters away than lock my car
8th Dec 09 10:12

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kacperstepien@o2.pl

God I made some spelling mistakes, I ment Live on benefits
8th Dec 09 10:12

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kasparstepien@o2.pl

Im 17 to insure my car in UK it will cost me 3000 pounds a year, in my own country it costs about 300... There is no point at all for me having an english car because insurance company in England are just rip offs. I am insured in Commercial Union but in my own country, and I Can promise you that I could crash into your car and you would get your money back you racist little person. Stop putting your nose into sombodys else business. You should be glad that driver of this car pays taxes to british goverment, which then spends it on british people being to lazy to get a job... Dont be hipocrite, maybe he does not pay road tax but at least he dosent leave on benefits...
8th Dec 09 10:12

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I live in the UK. I have a foreign car with foreign licence plates from EU. The insurance and the road tax is paid in the country of origin. So, I do have insurance and I do pay the road tax. There are no Stickers in the windshield since in our country we do use computers but, I do have all the paper work tha proves this while driving in foreign roads... like UK. I go back home every 6 months or so, so its kind of hard on thinking in changing the plates... Now: I am I criminal in the UK ? Yes or NO? In any case, how can you prove it just by looking at the car? Just because I am from outside ? Shell start kicking Britons out from my country just because they are always drunk and messing around and have no respect for others laws...? Of course not... I know not everybody is the same...
30th Nov 09 08:11

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You are right. But at the moment DVLA wants to punish everybody, not just cars that are not fully covered with insurance. Tax road does not have anything to do with what you are saying.
They have to modify their registering system in order to list all the cars (foreign too). But since they are too lazy they force innocent tourists and legal foreign cars to pay fines!
My friend comes and goes with his car from France few times at years and his car is fully covered in all Europe, but apparently for DVLA he is a criminal!! We need more common sense please!
20th Nov 09 04:11

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notaxforme....Leave them alone? Taking a car abroad for a short period is much different than going over for three years! What if the person not on the road leagally hits a pedestrian or another car? What if it was one of your family members or your car? I think those who do this should be punished accordingly if they are playing the system. DONT LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!
19th Nov 09 07:11

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Leave them alone ! Do you not think that when you take your car abroad the same rules apply there!
16th Nov 09 03:11

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Pepe

X Lex.

Go my man. Buy a car from France Germany or Italy. But please let me know how much will cost you in total the insurance, + tax road. I will tell you: 30 % more than UK.

Do not assume that all the cars you see on UK roads are uninsured and untaxed. Most of them are fully covered. DVLA wants just makes you believe that these drivers are outlaws but the real criminals are them. They are steeling money from innocent tourists at the moment. They can do a lot more if they want to prevent this.........
14th Nov 09 12:11

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Lex

Who is responsible then? it is disgraceful that this can be the case and nobody is bothered, what is the point of us paying for all these things to make sure we are following the rules and the law? I agree that if this is right we should all start buying cars from abroad and save ourselves the money too.
13th Nov 09 07:11

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tal

we have the same problem down our street foreign cars with no road tax down our street for over a year now . no road fund lisence just foreign plates . we have trouble parking down our street . I pay £120 a year and if I didnt I would get a find . there number plate should be given to the dvla . and make them pay like us . no wonder they can afford to stay in our country if they are not paying there way . its all wrong.
12th Nov 09 03:11

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shakytim

have had the same problem , ford people carrier from france actually parked up on pavement blocking it, no tax , been there for several days,no sign of owner, so I rang the police about it, they said it didnt need any tax so they couldnt do anything about that but if it was actully blocking the pavement, they could possible remove the offending van, but dont count on it. the police actually said that it was more than likely dumped, thats what the foreign drivers do instead of having to register the vehicle, what a joke!!!!!!. the foreign drivers should be made to register the vehicles at the point of entry to this country and it should be done thru customs, that way we would at least know who drove it into this country and any follow up could start with that person ,so simple eh
12th Nov 09 08:11

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Kiki

Hi, I pay tax in Germany, I get MOT in Germany and I pay insurance in Germany. I drive in the UK and would love to pay tax, just tax though, as my car needs to stay registered abroad ( I am the main driver of my Mom`s vehicle, so its not mine), however I cant just pay tax. Thats a bit silly too though, isnt it?!!!!!
All my British friends in Germany drive Briyish cars, have British Mot and British insurance, no worries there either
6th Nov 09 09:11

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anonymous

And you don't realise how many British citizens don't pay any tax abroad!!!
4th Nov 09 06:11

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me

I guess you are a bit stupid! First every vehicle has to be registered in its own country! that means you have to pay tax in the country where your vehicle is register! If you want to buy a vehicle abroad then do it! But you'll have to pay the tax in that country and as you're not from this country it will be amazingly difficult! In your text below, you blame the guy from abroad because he didn't registe his vehicle, but you can find on a "million" different websites that the uk system is very complicated and even the poeple from the dvla don't understand the law and how it works, then please don't blame your neighbour, blame the english system that make it very very difficult!
4th Nov 09 06:11

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For Peterwest

Please mate keep us updated. I have read somewhere else that you have a son that is a PM and know some European PMs too. You are the only one that can take this outrages crime (from UK police and DVLA) in front of the European court.

This has to be stopped immediately! There are so many different ways to force drivers to respect the law without involve innocent tourist! Only in UK!
DVLA knows that this is illegal and they are trying to get as much money as they can before the European court will put an end on it .…but until then they will try to get as much fishes as they can in the net!!! You are the real criminals!!!!

Unbelievable!!
30th Oct 09 04:10

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JGod

Its simple ask at the docks / tunnel - how long is your stay, then charge £2 per day for cars £1 for motorbikes and £5 for over 7.5 tonnes (trucks and cars with trailers / cars), if you overstay, you can't get back on the boat !

Set a start date and anyone trying to get their car back that has been in the country too long, pays from the start date, like you do when you loose your ticket in a car park. Little sticker in the window for traffic wardens to look at.

Denmark, 'offers' plates at the border for longer stays, This is an administration fee, so it isn't a tax, as you can't tax personal import, or "impede free trade, or movement", so its a charge (has Mr Brown not already used that all over the place already).

The rule in Denmark, is 14 days, yes two calendar weeks.

You have to get a SYN (MOT) £100 and then take it to the tax office, £100 VW Lupo, £3000 registration fee, plus road tax £150 and Plates £40. and new insurance (cheapest £400 UK £130). This includes having to work out what the hell it is you re supposed to do as all the forms are in Danish, not like the UK where a man from Mars can insist on a translator, and rightly so.

Can someone tell me the EU Law that says 6 months ? And the bit that says that if you are a resident in the country you can drive an non 'resident' car ? As the Danes say you cannot drive a car registered in another country if you are resident, however I have read elsewhere that you can drive a 'family or friends, or hired vehicle'.

JG in Denmark

p.s. registered a pre '73 vehicle all in for £1300 to save the £13,000 they wanted for my 14 year old Land Rover.
27th Oct 09 02:10

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Tianreas

Complaining about foreign UK residents failing to register their cars in the UK is all very well. There's another side to this, though. I came to the UK from Germany about 2 years ago and brought my car along with me. I tried to register it in the UK after 6 months - but I can't find an insurance company who's prepared to insure the car on the grounds of me not having been a UK resident for more than 3 (in some cases 5 years) and not holding a UK driving license. I can't register the car unless I find an insurer first, however. That's what you call Catch-22, I guess...
25th Oct 09 05:10

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Peterwest

Manhead states that "once you live in a foreign country for a continuous period in excess of six months, you must apply for a licence in that country."

That is NOT the law, as I pointed out in my post.

The period of six months can be "continuous or otherwise."

However, the Acting Chief Constable of Northamptonshire Police in the U.K. has now confirmed that her force's interpretation is that, once you enter, the six months starts. Even if you go home immediately, the "clock continues to tick."

So, if you enter again after six months, they will steal your car, even though you have only been in the U.K., in total, for a few days.

I have now referred this to the European Commission for arbitration.
2nd Oct 09 02:10

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MikeP

"Over the last four or five years I have noticed an increasing number of Brit registered vehicles with no tax or MOT driving round year after year."

They will get away with it until they have an accident and find themselves without valid insurance. Many of these people are taking the ostrich approach. They may be paying insurance premiums every year but if their cars are not UK legal (taxed and MOT'd) they are not legal in Spain either, even if they have a Spanish ITV. The insurance company which will gladly accept premiums on the basis that the onus of conforming with local legislature is on the vehicle owner, will use the veihcle illegal status to repudiate a claim. Rightly so.

I do think that the police should be more pro-active though because these people are a danger to any innocent party whom they might involve in an accident.
24th Sep 09 06:09

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chris1234

I live in Spain and have done so for 20 years. Over the last four or five years I have noticed an increasing number of Brit registered vehicles with no tax or MOT driving round year after year. The local police do nothing and, consequently, they get away with it. I'm not talking about one or two. I'm talking about hundreds. There is actually one chap in my village who has been driving a UK registered Volvo for the last seven years with no tax or MOT and he actually claims the only disabled space in the village!!! He puts an out of date disabled badge in the windscreen and takes the same space every day. Amazing.
24th Sep 09 05:09

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FirstClassPrimate

Thousands of Brits here in Germany drive without tax. It means no MoT needed, that means the vehicle is never checked so when the driver mows down a pedestrian there'll be no 3rd party liability cover for the victim because the vehicle will be declared not 'fit for the road'.
So, since we have to rely on the jungle police to do the job, I'll stick with photo shoots of 'suspect' vehicles and send them off to DVLA Swansea, maybe I could claim the odd SORN win for them.
I don't agree with most implementations of road taxes nor their reasoning behind them but meantime - either we ALL pay or I'll make some other little git pay for mine - it's as simple as that!
21st Sep 09 05:09

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manhead

Check the windscreen for mot and insurance. All french cars have to have a CT sticker and a green insurance sticker displayed. The CT is the mot which is valid for two years. Some european cars have it on the number plate at the rear.

I would like to point out that there are as many English drivers in france who are also driving without insurance and mot or driving licences. Once you live in a foreign country for a continuous period in excess of 6 months you must apply for a licence in that country.
21st Sep 09 09:09

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a thought from the weekly wipe

An extraordinary tale. I have noted your IP Address, found your location, and even (with a bit of help from the kind folks at DVLC) secured your car registration number. Next time you get off the boat with your car, be it in France, the Netherlands, Denmark, Ireland, Spain or elsewhere in Europe, we'll make sure you buy a tax disc from the local country before proceding on your way. Those of us who live on the continent well understand your worries in Britain. It is important that folk buy tax discs. When you find they we on the continent typically pay five times as much for our annual tax as UK drivers, you might think differently about the merits of having a car registered abroad. Parenthetically, I might add, many of us folk on the continent feel that really we should pay much more for our road tax. It's important to raise revenue from motorists to subsidise public transport. I presume you and others in Britain would generally feel similarly.
THE WEEKLY WIPE
Calais, France
15th Sep 09 08:09

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Latvian rabbit

Unfortunately, in the politically correct United Kingdom, Europe's dross can come and feed off us like parasites - road tax avoidance is just one of many examples.
We should bring back the Iron Curtain.
13th Sep 09 10:09

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alic

This isn't just a UK problem. There are thousands of British cars in Spain without tax discs, dodgy insurance, invalid MOTs. This could all be sorted if the EU set up an EU-wide registration and road-tax system. Similarly, a proper EU driving licence would be worth setting up.
13th Sep 09 05:09

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Peter West

In 1982 an EU Directive allowed vehicles registered in one country to be driven for up to six months in a year, CONTINUOUS OR OTHERWISE, in another European country before Road Tax was due.

In 2006 the DVLA issued a press release without the words "continuous or otherwise," completely changing the intention of the Directive.

This year a scheme called "Operation Andover" started in Northamptonshire, with any foreign vehicle seen twice, more than six months apart, being impounded without warning..

My car was impounded in March after two visits totalling 67 days, having been seen in June 2008 and March 2009.

It did not occur to the Northamptonshire Police that the reason it had not been seen for none months was because it had returned to Spain. Perhaps they did not want to consider this possibility.

Because I caused a fuss, I managed to recover my car without paying the £420 the Police demanded but, when I complained, I was met with evasion from the Police and the DVLA.

Now the Association of Chief Police Officers has confirmed to the A A that any foreign car seen twice, more than six months apart, WILL be impounded without warning.

The implications for ex-patriates and, more especially, for foreign tourists with limited English is horrendous as, with a profit of 400 pounds to be made on each impounding, this scheme will soon be taken up nationwide.

It is possible that someone who visits the U.K. just once a year, for the same two weeks, could become a victim of this ill-thought-out scheme. Their car could be filmed on August 14th of the first year, then on August 2nd of the next year - twice in one year, more than six months apart - and their car could be impounded.

The fact that there is evidence that new high-value cars are being targetted rather than older unroadworthy vehicles gives the lie to any claims that this is a "safety" campaign. It is clearly just a money-making operation aimed at innocent motorists.
31st Aug 09 09:08

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Peter West

Why were my comments on the abuse of this law by the Northamptonshire Police not published /
This would put a whole new side to the argument.
Obviously, the "Weekly Gripe" makes a point and no-one is allowed to disagree with it.
Want a bet this post will not be published ?
31st Aug 09 09:08

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Gainsborough lad.

Tony, I also think you are absoluteley correct, I hope the government and police are reading these gripes because there is more common sense on these pages than I see coming out of the house of commons, even though the spelling sometimes strays.
26th Aug 09 06:08

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MikeP

Tony is absolutely correct, and the lack of enforcement and notification of the directive is a disgrace.

The other angle worth reiterating is that cars which are not compliant with the directive are uninsurable, on the basis that if they are not legal in their own country, nor in the 'new' country, any insurance policy which may exist is null and void. It's all very well that the insurer may continue to take the premium, but in the event of a claim they would find the cars lack of legality a reason for repudiating a claim.

This would leave the driver in a very serious position and could, and this is worse, leave the innocent victims of an accident without compensation.
26th Aug 09 11:08

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Tony London

It is very straight forward, a foreign registered car may be used in the UK for up to 6 months in any 12 month period without needing to be registered in the UK.

After 6 months, you are required to have the vehicle registered, taxed, insured (any EU) and it must have an mot certificate if over 3 years old. Thats the same as anyone living in the UK as you are
then no longer considered to be a visitor.

Its the same rules in any EU country btw, 6 months of use as a visitor and then you must register the vehicle in the country you happen to be living. However, in most countries there is no proper
enforcement, except maybe spain and greece.

So most foreign drivers abuse the system and avoid paying road tax, they get away with speed and parking tickets, unless their own country has reciprocal agreements etc. This because the police,
DVLA and minister turn a blind eye.

I wrote and complained to my MP, who in turn wrote to a minister about the issue. We were told that at sea ports there would be notices to advertise the requirements, but I have yet to see anything. I was also advised to notify the local police, but they are simply not interested, even though the person driving in the uk is breaking the law.

The EU has rules that state that all EU citizens must be treated equally, so how is it that British drivers have their vehicles crushed for not having paid road tax, where as foreign drivers are simply
allowed to continue on their way no questions asked.
26th Aug 09 10:08

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Fedup with it all!!

There is a CZ registered car near where I live in Swindon,it has been here for over two years now and still has its old plates,if I don't tax or insure my car I'm in big trouble,talk about allowing these people to do as they please,if they where to run into someone they would be gone tomorrow,no one cares do they?
20th Aug 09 12:08

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Dan (Freeman of the Land)

Well all these so called Statutes and Acts are just there to nick our money, and the best is you don't have to pay these so called charges Statutes law is NOT LAW, It's a contract you consent to it...It's only given the froce of law by the you!! the True Law is COMMON LAW Harm or Loss and all these Act like the parking fines are just Acts and don't pay them,they are just a Notice so you send in your Notice saying you have Noticed there Notice..GO TO tpuc.org and Wake up to all this Crap and the Police State that we will soon be in if you don't WAKE UP
13th Aug 09 10:08

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romany

I cant believe what i've just read (in disbelief) this country is crap, if we got caught with no road tax we would be in big trouble, I was just going to report a foreign car with no tax, I wont bother wasting my time and getting my self stressed about, if the law in this country cant be bothered.. I just hope you tax dodgers never hurt anybody., GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. And after reading some of your letters I see some of you think that us road tax payers have nothing better to do than report or being nosey about other cars, well let me tell you god forbid anything happens to one of your family members by a non road tax payer, who usually dont have a mot or pay insurance..I also report our own nationality...and you people who think we are being nosey maybe your guility of the offenece yourselves and if not you should be reporting them to, to try and make our roads safer...
3rd Aug 09 09:08

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foguette

I am a EU going to Uk in Set and I understand the abuse of foreign cars! But it is true that we pay in our homeland. AlsoI don't remember when Uk drivers come to Portugal in a caravan for more then 6 months anyone picking on the ! It is the police duty to try and find a compromise betewn receiving in our contry and keeping people safe and at the same time not allowing for bad parkin etc!!

If a car is park more them x time don't give a ticket just tow it! the owner will have to go get it! pay a kot for the stunt and everybody is happy!
20th Jul 09 10:07

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Mr. Jones

why should we pay tax- so that the british army can kill innocent people around the world with their imperial agenda? lick my nuts
8th Jul 09 02:07

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b

you are a right cnut, fcking busybody mind your own business and do something decent with your life
8th Jul 09 02:07

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Mr Hicks

On my road a car with bulgarian plates has been parking there for about two year now.I have never seen a tax disc on it.If they were tourists it would not be such a problem,but two years !!!
7th Jul 09 09:07

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MikeP

No claim bonuses are transferable across the EU and even between some non EU members, so as not to penalise people who do things correctly. You may have to insist but I can assure you it works.

Insurance has nothing to do with the DVLA so your last sentence doesn't mean anything.
6th Jul 09 03:07

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John

I am using a foreign (EU) car in the UK. I am willing to pay the road tax - but I am not willing to pay the car insurance, MOT etc. twice (once in my home country and once here). If I stop paying the insurance etc. in my home country, I loose the 60% discount I have (no claims for >8 years) and the re-registration will be difficult and costly. DVLA provides no option to pay just the road tax.
6th Jul 09 02:07

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P.

Yes Ken, get out of EU and look after UK! This country out of EU will sink in 10 years!! Don't you understand that European economy is lot strong and solid than UK economy.. Time when GB and the Sterling were great are gone my friend!

I had an accident with foreign car ones and I got the money for the damages quickly, no problems at all. There are a lot more English cars on the road which are not insured and taxed.
French, Spanish, Italians, Germans, Dutch cars are fully covered and they pay road tax in their on countries (lot more than here by the way). The ones we should be careful of are the East countries cars such as Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine etc.
5th Jul 09 10:07

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Ken, Wakefield West Yorkshire

As I have had the experiance of reporting a foreign vehicle to my local police, then finding out that which many other UK residents have. I have decided the best people to contact is our MPs, MEPs and Lords, if we can all do the same perhaps we could get out of the EU, and look after the UK, do it today.
4th Jul 09 10:07

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Mike Pratt

And what about parking Tickets?I have a friend who is a parking attendant in wandsworth.He tells me that pcns Issued to foreign vehicles are not considered as "real" by his bosses.
3rd Jul 09 04:07

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Mike Pratt

A very Intelligent Letter,I could not agree more.However if you think it"s bad in the midlands,come to south London.On my walking travels I tend to examine the cars.A good ten percent of them are from different corners of the globe,no tax or anything.
3rd Jul 09 04:07

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swinoff89

Why the hell would you car about someone else's car?Not your business, so just stay out of it.
3rd Jul 09 02:07

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Joe

I guess the author has to much free time and tries to spoil everyone else's lives
2nd Jul 09 04:07

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Sarky

Bang on the money, Im not against the Uk being diverse but I am against weak laws that let certain people flaunt our system for finacial gain. The question should also be if someone is reported to the Police why aren't they acting on it, the reported driver will not be covered by insurance
25th Jun 09 07:06

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Daress

Not at all, I like the justice not the unjustice. I want to be honest with you that's it. I met very nice people here and I'll never forget them. I am neither racist nor community. I don't like the French government as well. The problems around the world are only the cause of money not the religion and the races. But sincerely, I don't like these articles that talk about foreign as invaders. Thank you for your replies.
16th Jun 09 12:06

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MikeP

Go back to France then if it's so wonderful. They talk a load of tosh there, and you'd be amongst the right people, and you'd do well with your inferiority complex too, you'd feel a little bit superior to them because you speak a bit of English.
15th Jun 09 10:06

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Daress

No, you lie mister In my city there are many English people they live in France for more than 4 years. They have big houses and they have still English cars with the English registration ( MOT insurance ....) . But I've never seen a foreign car that is clamped in France. It's especially a British speciality to steal money from tourist. I am not rich if I had a Porsche or another luxurious I think they didn't do that. It's a social problem .England don't like people like me who want to succeed in their life without government help. I like people from England not the government the Queen and the freemasons. I like my car, very useful without any problem.
15th Jun 09 09:06

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MikeP

Your car was clamped because it was illegally in the country. Anyway your 17 year old French car is probably only fit for the breakers yard and shouldn't be on the road.

You seem to miss the point that these rules are reciprocal (sorry, big word ..... use a dictionary) and that an illegal UK registered car in France would be similarly dealt with, and rightly so. Bonne soiree et calmes-toi.
15th Jun 09 08:06

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Darren Pollard

People are missing the whole point here. Why are any of you paying car tax? This is the point. Do you think the money is being spent on improving the roads? Do you think it will save the planet if you pay a higher car tax? Do you think you are getting value for your money? Do you think there is a law that enables corporations to enforce a car tax levy? Do any of you think you own the cars that you travel in every day and park outside your homes? You have all given legal title to your car over to dvla and no longer own the vehicle. You are just the Registered Keeper. Thjis is why if you Register your car with dvla and don't abide by their private rules, such as no car tax, they can take it away from you and have it crushed.

This is how the system works folks. The dvla is a private corporation, it is not a department of the government, as we have been led to believe. This is why they have no 'authority' over cars that are not registered with them.

Clearly the solution is to not register with the dvla, send them the numberplates back and the v5 and make up your own plates. Then record your car at the Office of Public Records as your private property. Check out pleasuredome85 on youtube, he has done this, watch his vid, it's great.

My question is why are the masses registering their cars with the dvla and having to abide by their rules otherwise they will crush your car. Who really wants to be part of that? Be honest folks, what are you getting out of this deal?

People need to learn the difference between legal and lawful and stop going along in ignorance and paying your hard earned money to the rich. Why do you think they are rich and you are not?

Learn about what your birth certificate really is and what national insurance really is. People need to know these things.

Be happy, have fun & stay free!

Darren
27th May 09 05:05

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David R. Burrage

Sorry to have to advise you that you were not given accurate information about the use of vehicles displaying foreign reg, plates, since there are indeed, strict rules and as it would appear that the vehicles to which you refer were/are registered in another EU Member State, then I can advise in respect to such vehicles that the governments DVLA website is displaying inaccurate and incomplete information. The use vehicles under the circumstances you appear to describe are controlled by EU Council Directive 83/1982/EC, which provides that any vehicle registered and licenced (vehicle circulation tax/road fund) in one Member State may be used in another Member State by the person registered for up to 6 month, or otherwise (cumulative), in any 12 months, provided the user is also a resident of the State of registration.

There are derogations in respect of cross border workers etc., where they may use such a vehicle without any limitation as to time, This also applies to students and further, there are derogations where an application may also be made to extend the 6 month cumulative period, such as in the case of accident or illness. The application should be made to HMRC.
The police do have a duty to regulate the use of such vehicles and where there is credible evidence of a breach of the law then they have powers to seize such a vehicle and where the owner/registered user, then fails to register the vehicle with the DVLA then the police may crush that vehicle. Appropriate action may also be taken where the vehicle has not been licenced or where the licence has expired.
You should consider a complaint to the IPCC and feel free to quote me as an autholrity.
Meanwhile I am causing the DVLA's website to be corrected.

That all said I do not give moral judgements, but merely advise as to the law.

Legal advisor to the British Expatriates Association (Spain). Use your search engine.
4th May 09 02:05

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Nico

Well said Javier, same thing in Italy. We do not rat people here. "We live and let live". Foreign cars that are pulled from police for infractions have to pay on the spot. Problem solved for those that get away without pay fines.
5th Apr 09 08:04

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Javier

Well in response to this gentleman who states to be "sick"of watching foreign cars using the English roads not paying taxes etc, I would like to let you know that I am Spanish myself and in my street in Marbella there are about ten English cars, parked everyday with English number plates, all of them live there, some of them are friends of mine and none of them pay taxes to drive in Spain either, furthermore they don't even try, and we don't even force them to do so with any law, we consider them European, and I have never reported them to any police. With this I try to show you that this is not an isolate problem I am afraid, every country is doing the same abroad.
Regards
Javier
3rd Apr 09 07:04

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MikeP

"Have you got problem dude? Do not be a smart ass!!!!!! ..... calm down since I have not attacked you personally.. "
Of course you haven't. Calling someone an ass is not an insult.

"From where I come we do not like to agree with everything just because told to! "
See my earlier remarks about the French.
3rd Apr 09 05:04

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Ginola

Mike P:

Have you got problem dude? Do not be a smart ass!!!!!! From where I come we do not like to agree with everything just because told to! And I think that DVLA and police at the moment are not able to explain this law...in any language!!! By the way Mike…. calm down since I have not attacked you personally.
3rd Apr 09 04:04

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MikeP

Ginola :

Before you blow a fuse and disappear in a cloud of cosmic dust..... "Are you telling me that he cant come to visit me with his car again until next September???? Are you out of your mind????"

The people on this forum do not make the stupid laws. If you have a problem with the laws, or the interpretation of them, go to the DVLA or the Police and ask them to explain to you. Ask them to speak slowly. You might find a dictionary helpful too.
3rd Apr 09 04:04

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MikeP

Ginola :

Before you blow a fuse and disappear in a cloud of cosmic dust..... "Are you telling me that he cant come to visit me with his car again until next September???? Are you out of your mind????"

The people on this forum do not make the stupid laws. If you have a problem with the laws, or the interpretation of them, go to the DVLA or the Police and ask them to explain to you. Ask them to speak slowly. You might find a dictionary helpful too.
3rd Apr 09 04:04

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Ginola

I am tired to read these stupid debate. Could you please take this discussion somewhere else since here we have to talk about a serious problem! I agree with all of you that says that uninsured foreign cars have to be stopped, but majority of the cars that are circulating in UK are legal since they have insurance, tax paid in their own country and can circulate in UK for 6 months in 12 months! So what the police is doing in Northamptonshire does not work at all, and what happened to Peter West shows why. If my father has been her last September from France with his car…Are you telling me that he cant come to visit me with his car again until next September???? Are you out of your mind????
3rd Apr 09 03:04

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MikeP (stupid racist moron)

Fine, I'm a stupid racist moron. It is a pity not to be able to have an intelligent debate with you but clearly that is beyond your capability.

May I suggest you go and play in the traffic, and it would be ironic if you were hit by an unlicensed, untaxed, uninsured foreign registered car, and had to suffer the consequences of that, as many innocent people due.

Perhaps you should just head back to whatever 'bidonville' you came from, you might find life there more congenial.
3rd Apr 09 11:04

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Enraged

'right, things are clear now... I overestimated your intelligence. You're just a stupid racist moron.
3rd Apr 09 11:04

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MikeP

No, saying those things does not make me 'racist'. The French are not a race, they are a nation. You may call me anti-French by all means, but 'racist' does not fit the context. I doubt if you even know what 'racist' means.

The fact that you find my observations about your nation unpalatable does not justify your calling me a stupid moron, but if it pleases you to do so, be my guest!

I note that you have not addressed even one of my comments, nor answered one of my questions, you just come back with personal insults. Is that the best you can do? I think the level of your dialogue proves my intellectual superiority over yours.

"Casse toi, pauvre con", as your President said!
3rd Apr 09 11:04

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Enraged

'right, things are clear now... I overestimated your intelligence. You're just a stupid racist moron.
3rd Apr 09 10:04

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MikeP

Enraged :
"Frankly, MikeP, I know you're being funny saying me being French is the worse of it all, "

I'm not being funny at all. Being French is about as 'funny' as root canal surgery.


"such an attitude as the one of the guy who wrote that piece of thing just makes me mad."

So you are criticising the writer of the piece and thereby condoning illegal and dangerous behaviour. I always find it strange that the French make all the rules of the EU and then expect everyone else to follow them whilst they ignore them.


"I've been living in the UK for 2 years now, and I've seen that kind of ratty behaviour so much that it just makes me violent now."

Then I suggest you take anger management courses, for your own good.
It is one of the less endearing characteristics of the French that each French person thinks that he can ignore laws and convention, and yet he will get angry to the point of violence when others do the same. You are quite happy to live in England and condone people breaking their laws, but I have no doubt that if you were in your own country and you saw a British person breaking the law, you would be crawling to the Gendarmerie to 'porter plainte' behind his back. It's typical of the cowardice, double standards and treachery that have characterised the French nation for centuries.


" I must say I'm reassured when I see here that some people still find stagging wrong. "

Could you explain what you mean by 'stagging', please? The understanding I have is that it is a term used for buying IPO shares at the opening price in the hope of selling them to make a fast profit. I don't see the relevance but maybe I'm missing the point. Your posting makes very little sense but that is also typical French, all hot air and waffling but no substance. Well done, Montgolfier, inventor of the hot air balloon!
3rd Apr 09 07:04

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Enraged

Frankly, MikeP, I know you're being funny saying me being French is the worse of it all, and I appreciate. I'm myself quite annoyed to be reduced to speak like that, but such an attitude as the one of the guy who wrote that piece of thing just makes me mad. I've been living in the UK for 2 years now, and I've seen that kind of ratty behaviour so much that it just makes me violent now. I must say I'm reassured when I see here that some people still find stagging wrong.
2nd Apr 09 11:04

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Enraged

Translation is below, I'm not the only one here to be shocked by the Weekly Gripe's "article", I wrote it in French to be able to post it passing through the filter. My French is not too bad either, thanks.
2nd Apr 09 11:04

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MikeP

You are a clever little fellow, you can get Google to translate! I underestimated you.
2nd Apr 09 11:04

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MikeP

Enraged :

What is the point of posting your xenophobic bile in French, which the majority of people here won't understand? Nobody will take the slightest notice.

Are you too stupid to write it in English? Sorry but frankly the 'connard de merde' is you. And you're French which is worse.
2nd Apr 09 11:04

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Enraged

To all nice English people: I'm genuinly sorry about the mention "English", but I can't stand anymore this ratty attitude of a seemingly consequent part of the English population. Such an unhealthy aspect of the English society! Calm them once for all!!!
2nd Apr 09 10:04

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MikeP

Peter West :

I am following this with interest and I wish you luck. I have an EU vehicle which sometimes spends a few weeks at a time in the UK, and two UK registered vehicles which sometimes spend time in other EU countries. Each is legal in its country and none spends more than 6 months outside its own country, in fact it's usually no more than two weeks at a time, but clearly I could run into difficulty for the same reason as you.

You are fortunate in UK in that you have proof that the vehicle has been into or out of the country, moving vehicles under theor own power between contiguous countries without border controls is more problematic.
2nd Apr 09 10:04

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Enraged

Abruti de connard de balance anglaise de merde, ferme ta pauvre gueule et retourne regarder Five et lire le Sun. Les gens comme toi ont reçu le traitement qu'ils méritaient après la 2ème guerre mondiale en France. Un peu violent, mais efficace "indeed". Et la prochaine fois que tu vois such a "sickly unregistered vehicle", va directement voir le proprio et exige qu'il paie sa taxe, il va probablement te recevoir comme tu le mérites!
2nd Apr 09 10:04

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peter West

I got my vehicle back on Tuesday, but have kept it parked up, as I was warned ( quietly, by a sensible Police employee ) that, even though I had proved that my car had not been in the U.K., the Police might still pull me in.
This clampdown, called "Operation Andover" is only happening in Northamptonshire ( possibly as a "pilot scheme.")
Quite frankly, this has made me ill. I do not break the law. I have no need to.
I believe that the officer-in-charge is being unreasonable or plain bone-headed. However, I understand that the DVLA will not give a ruling on this, because the Directive is so badly worded that the do not know whether the "Six months" is cumulative or starts on day one and finishes on day 183.
I have contacted every newspaper and the motoring organisations, but they have ignored me.
There is an awful possibilty of thousands of "ex-pats" visiting their families and thousands of tourists being criminalised.
2nd Apr 09 10:04

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Pita

By the way Peter West go ahead , take that policeman in court since his interpretation of the law is completely wrong. Someone has to start to face this abuse to innocent tourists.
If the policeman interpretation is correct that means that tourists can drive in UK with their car just ones in their life, afterwards they have to decide or do not come back in this country anymore , or rent a car...come on please, lets use a bit of brain here!!
2nd Apr 09 07:04

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MikeP

Fair comment. There are various tests to determine residency and there are grey areas.

For Peter West, I would say that if you can prove that you are resident in another EU state (you have a home, centre of family life, and a job there) then you are not permanently resident in the UK. You would need be able to prove that by, for example, utility bills or a deed of ownership or rental contract in your name at the EU address. If you maintain, as many people do, homes both within and without the UK then it becomes more difficult to determine where you are resident, and fiscal residence would determine that.

If, for UK tax purposes, you are classified as NOR, then you have a very sound argument that you are not UK resident, and that you thus have the right to use your EU registered car in the UK for up to 6 months. Do not confuse this with the question of legal domicile, which is not relevant here.

If, and I am not saying this is your case, you are someone who lives in the UK and has bought a foreign registered car because it's cheaper and you hope to get away with the obligations of taxing, insuring, and having it street legal, then you have broken the law and you deserve to be nicked. You would then be the sort of person about whom the original poster was complaining, and in my view rightly so, even if you think I'm being sanctimonious in saying so.
1st Apr 09 04:04

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Pita

When can you define someone "resident"? You can be resident in your EU country but temporarily working and living in UK. What do we do then?

For Peter West: where did it happen and how?( was the car parked somewhere or they have just pulled you over?)
1st Apr 09 03:04

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MikeP

You can presumably prove (ferry tickets) the dates on which the car left and re-entered the UK. Armed with that proof, go the commanding officer of the local police, in the first instance, and if that achieves nothing contact the legal department of the AA in Basingstoke, or the DVLA.

"European Union vehicles
It is the responsibility for the driver to prove how long the vehicle has been in the country. This can be done by producing ferry tickets.

EU vehicles brought into the UK will be allowed to circulate freely for six months in any 12 month period without the need to register here, provided the vehicle complies with the requirements of its home country. Where the keeper of the vehicle becomes resident in this country, the vehicle must be immediately registered and licensed here. UK residents are not entitled to use a foreign registered vehicle on UK roads."

If, as you say, your car has been in UK for a total of 67 days since June last year, you are in the right, as long as you are not a UK resident. If you are a UK resident then the exemption does not apply to you. Stupid, and unfair, but that is the law.
30th Mar 09 11:03

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Peter West

I have just had my Spanish-registered car impounded after 47 days in the U.K.

The Police say this was because it was here last June ( for 20 days ) and has therefore been "in the U.K. for more than six months."

The fact that it has been in Spain for the last seven months was of no interest to them.

The reason is that the guidance given by the DVLA does not state whether the six months allowable in a year is cumulative ( which any intelligent person would asume ) or whether it starts on day one and expires six months later, even if the car is only in the U.K. for a few days ( which is the interpretation of the officer in charge of this department in the Noerthants Police.)

The DVLA needs to IMMEDIATELY clarify this point in order to stop criminalising and alienating law-abiding people like me.
30th Mar 09 10:03

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Nick

Well I know there are some negative things about having a foreign registered car in the UK but there are a lot of positive things to. I have driven in the UK for six months and right hand drive did not bother me at all just a few car parks but yet again I parked mostly outside car parks. But thats about it. I haven't had any people tell me off or insult me or anything but yet again depends on the country's licence plate number and which part of the UK you live in - they tend to be more racist and insult others more from certain countries than others.
16th Mar 09 06:03

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scoobs

I'm sorry but if that is all you have to worry about you seriously need to get a life !!!!! Not only is it inconvenient to drive a left handed drive in the UK as car parks etc are all right handed, then you also have biggotted people treating you as a third rate citizen!!!! Trust me being born and raised in the UK and spending some time abroad and bringing back my foreign car I have on many occassions been insulted, cut up sworn at etc by my fellow brits!!!!! As a driver of a foreign car I pay my insurance etc in UK. The person who started this really needs to have a good look at himself and hope to God that he is NEVER in a position whereby he has to rely on his neighbour for anything........ you may be surprised when they do not offer any help !!!!! Get a life!!!!
16th Mar 09 05:03

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Nick

I can't believe you would rat out someone like that!!!how do you know that he never went back for a week or something to his country???technically that would reset the 6 months that he is allowed to stay in the country!!the good thing about european registered cars is that the insurance is cheap and another person can drive the car but on the other I wouldn't know if road tax is cheaper or not in the UK. For paulb's post, people with UK registered cars do live and travel in the rest of Europe and some of them do disregard the laws as well. I would actually want to register my car in the US -> no road tax so most cars have engines that range from 2500cc upto 6000cc and maybe more and don't have to pay any road tax.I should be careful of bringing a car to the UK with foreign number plates with all the snitches out there.
16th Mar 09 03:03

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Robert

That is good idea. Just remember, cars outside the UK cost twice more than in here.
15th Mar 09 03:03

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Pita

Foreign cars that you see on UK roads are covered by insurance in their country and all across EU. They still need to pay the road tax in their own country , therefore they are not saving any money!!!!!!

It would be easier for DVLA to create a database with all the foreign plates, owners details so that they can send tickets to an UK address. Do you actually know how much would it cost for a RHD car to be registered in UK: A FORTUNE!!!!!!!!! Up to £.2000( change the dashboard and lights). Are you kidding me???? Believe me paying £170 per year road tax would be a pleasure!!!!!

Unbelievable that someone tried to contact police and DVLA to f….ck is neighbour. Hope he will pay you back one day dude!!!!!!
9th Mar 09 02:03

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paulb

I agree with the writer.Why should we live with the law and foreigners come in and totally disregard it!
If you don't like our laws and abide by them don't come!
7th Mar 09 11:03

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Jon Jon

Polski my dear chap,

I hate to be the bearer of sad news but your personal opinions "road tax is stupidity" will not be met with sympathy from the police or any other authority. Until the Government changes the law on what is taxable you will pay even if you truly believe there is no reason to pay.
2nd Mar 09 03:03

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Polski_builder

I am foreigner but have a UK car, and know a lot of others on foreign plates being in UK for years. Whole idea of road tax is stupidity and there is no reason to pay, we pay more then enough of other taxes anyway!
2nd Mar 09 01:03

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Old Codger

I totally agree. I too have a person, owning a foreign car, living next door to me. I too have had the same responses as yourself. Thats England for you!!!
6th Feb 09 01:02

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polish

ph poor guy!!! Than buy vehicle from sri lanka, and than you dont have to pay for all that things :]
6th Feb 09 10:02

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MikeP

Sicilian .... I'm sorry if that gives you an inferiority complex. It really shouldn't, it's you that's demonstrably inferior, not being Sicilian.
You can make all the babyish threats you want and call me any names you like, you're wasting your time. It's a bit sad that you can only express yourself using crude language but probably through no fault of your own you didn't have much of an education.
3rd Feb 09 11:02

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vincenzo maccaluzzo

siciliano you cu.t! And dont push your luck! You and your stupid society! You and people like you are the problem of this world! Cos you're ROBOT! You like to be told what to do, what to think and whether to go left or right you're f...ing machine!!
ps: what's with the illetarate moron?! Is there anymore misspelling! Apologies mr. sad act!
3rd Feb 09 05:02

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MikeP

Vincenzo maccaluzzo :
1) You are an illiterate moron.
2) Don't make threats that you can't carry out.
3) I don't make laws, so it's not 'my law', but when you live as part of a society you have certain obligations. If you choose to live outside the law, sooner or later you will get what you deserve.
4) If you are Italian, you are a damn disgrace to a fine nation. I suspect they've disowned you!
3rd Feb 09 04:02

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Vincenzo maccaluzzo

ohhh mister righteous!! How many sheriff stars have you collected so far.. and oh my god, I pressed L twice therefore im an idiot! Lucky there's google so you can check! and YES I AM smart plus I dont give a f..k about your law!! So go shi.t yourself, hide behind the sofa and wait for the law to tell you what to do next. VAFFANCULO!!! And dont tell me where I deserve to be or i'll put you where you ought to be Micko!! capisci
3rd Feb 09 04:02

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vincenzo maccaluzzo

Pezzo di merda!!! By the way, thanx a lot! You being a sad pezzo di merda saved me some research time since im buying foreign vehicle without tax tomorrow.... and thanx to you I don't have to worry about taxing it!! well done! AND DID I SAY HOW SORRY I FEEL FOR YOU?! NO? WELL... I DONT ACTUALLY!
ciao and vaffancullo
3rd Feb 09 02:02

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Robie

To the sad person moaning about foreign untaxed vehicles....GET LIFE YOU SAD EXISTANCE!
You obviously have nothing to do in your life then to sniff around but don't worry! you'll get it all back one day you poisonous piece of ....!
3rd Feb 09 02:02

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alicante

Hi all,
I visit UK and I am from Alicante, it happened I ended here and what I read is nauseous... in Alicante, we like UK people living there, and the roads are full of UK cars with UK plates from people who live there all year!!! Do we even think about it? No! We rather enjoy a cervecita with them! dear friend, you just need to go out of UK... Enjoy a happy European living
1st Feb 09 09:02

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tec

You my mate are a typical wack british person who hates on others! *uck you! Get a life, you jealous bassard or biych.
1st Feb 09 12:02

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egg

I thought the purpose of the EU was, 'The freedom of movement for people, labour and material things'. Surely we should be able to drive anywhere in Europe keeping our number plates and simply registering our vehicle online to make it legal.
25th Jan 09 11:01

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Kristof B

I don't think I will register my next car if the DVLA say there is nothing they can do. Thank you for that info.
9th Jan 09 01:01

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whistler

The vehicle must be FULLY legal in its country of origin......To say you can buy a car overseas and drive without MOT or insurance is utter tosh..
8th Jan 09 09:01

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DEREK

Yes there are English people in Portugal who have false M.O T s not road tax.
4th Jan 09 08:01

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annabel

How sad you are. It reminds me why I moved out of England. Can you not be happy for others and enjoy the freedom of traveling around in Europe without having to worry about taxes? I am glad the DVLA and Police ignored your silly comments.
Please do one thing in the new year.. love your neighbor.
Thanks for allowing me to comment.
2nd Jan 09 03:01

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rik

why do you have to buy a car from abroad when you can just buy one here unregistered, or if its registered, unregister it? then you have no need to pay tax, mot or fines. the legal definition of the word "must" is equivilant to the word "may". now you know why. happy motoring!
28th Dec 08 10:12

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MikeP

"I live in Portugal with a UK car which is insured and MOT, taxed in Portugal as a UK car. You can tax you UK car in Portugal but the police have now fined me 174 euros and are making me import the car."

If you live in Portugal you have to import your car. That's the law.
This " ...... UK car which is insured and MOT, taxed in Portugal as a UK car" makes no sense. What are you trying to say? Had a few too many Sagres?

How can you tax a UK car in Portugal without importing it? Either it's taxed, insured and MOT'd in UK in which case it is a UK car and legal in Portugal for 6 months, or you import, do the Portuguese paperwork, and then it is a Portuguese car from the paperwork point of view.
19th Dec 08 09:12

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William.

I live in Portugal with a UK car which is insured and MOT, taxed in Portugal as a UK car. You can tax you UK car in Portugal but the police have now fined me 174 euros and are making me import the car.
19th Dec 08 06:12

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banger badger

Basically you do not understand the way the rest of the world works.
Most other countries do not have to have "road tax" or display a "Tax disk"

Germany has TUV and France has immatricolatsione and have to have insurance displayed on the windscreen and after x years have to have a version of MOT which lasts for different amounts of time. If they are still rsident in their own country then their own national laws apply and if they travel backwards and forwards from home (or say they do) then they are basicaly not breaking the law.
Italy has a "Revisione" which is required after four years from new then every 2 years including emission test. So you deciding to buy a foreign car and try the same you might just get caught.

Incidentally if you think it is naughty of these lawbreaking foreigners to come to our country and do this you should have a look around some other countries for naughty people
Spain thousands
France thousands
Germany hundreds
Italy hundreds
Bulgaria hundreds
Cyprus hundreds
Canaries (as opposed to spain) thousands
16th Dec 08 08:12

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Petrus Paulus Gallinasus

I get the feeling that your frustration may be equally shared by the Spanish and its colony of 600,000 Brits that live in their country in their second homes, using unlimited stretches of motorways and roads...Obviously paying no (road) tax, and with a large smile on their face as petrol prices are 30% cheaper than in the UK, speed camera fines are ignored and there is no such thing as a congestion charge...seems like a UK driver´s paradise! The truth is, I don´t hear them complain, nice folks!
14th Nov 08 11:11

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Petrus Paulus Gallinasus

I get the feeling that your frustration may be equally shared by the Spanish and its colony of 600,000 Brits that live in their country in their second homes, using unlimited stretches of motorways and roads...Obviously paying no (road) tax, and with a large smile on their face as petrol prices are 30% cheaper than in the UK, speed camera fines are ignored and there is no such thing as a congestion charge...seems like a UK driver´s paradise! The truth is, I don´t hear them complain, nice folks!
12th Nov 08 05:11

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EU / foreign

Hi everyone.

I am living (and working, and paying tax) here in UK for 6 months now and driving my own (European) car. I don't want sell it because I returning home in few months.

I am honest person, living according the law. So I WANT register my car in England, pay road tax etc. BUT.......

I have spend lot off time in DVLA waiting in que, asking what documents I need. I was ready to pay all fees for registration, obtaining Certificate of conformity, MOT......

And today I tried to insure my car (already insured in EEC, with green card). I am driving 10 years without ANY accident, without ANY single fine.

So I contacted 5 different insurance companies AND the cheapest insurance for 1 year was 2.180 pound !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SORRY. My new, small car cost me about 5.000. To pay for one year insurance almost half price of my car is ridiculous.

Who from you will pay this???

I give up. Travel to France, then back. For another six months

I have no problem to pay road tax BUT, why I have to pay:
- insurance (HUGE) - when the car is insured in EU.
- certificate - when the car is made in EU.

So I will be first time in my life illegal. SORRY

And I just want to ask:
Do any other EU country ban you using UK car after certain period of time? I don't think so......
10th Nov 08 01:11

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Foreign dude

You are a very sad person, so envious, you probably cant afford a good decent car and are targeting the foreign cars. Get a life and a job in the DVLA so you can put your enthusiasm to help properly, but I guess you are probably too dumb to get the job anyway. Whats next for you? spotting illegal workers in the kebab shop? patrolling supermarkets to catch shoplifters?
9th Nov 08 08:11

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Robbie

Part II
I've decided to get just an MOT here in UK after I've changed the light for driving in UK and keeping paying the road tax in Italy, witch is cheaper by the way, taking a short trip to France every 6 months to show with the ferry ticket that my car has not been in UK for more than 6 months, I really would like to behave properly and honestly but I really don't like to be considered an idiot ready to be scammed by the establishment. About road tax, if you don't see the disk is because not everywhere in Europe is compulsory to stick it to the windscreen, if you don't see it doesn't mean that has not been paid in the original car's country and about tickets, they DO reach your address in your original country and if you commit a serious offence the police can still immediately have your details about your address abroad and then trace you, they have their sophisticated ways to chase you don't worry about that. By the way, if you collect up to a certain amount of tickets with a foreign car here in UK, your car's foreign registration will be entered in a special database and it will be removed anyway by the police waiting for you paying all the tickets you had, like they do everywhere in UK with cars owned by people not paying the unfair and scandalous congestion charge in London. The UK is the country where I have chosen to live and work in Europe because I consider UK people the most advanced if we talk about politeness, respect, civilization, sense of honour and love for culture, art and freedom, but I'm really sad to see the slow but steady decay of this lovely country, with absurd new taxes, a police state where they justify everything they do with the word "terrorism" and an embarrassing "Americanization". I really hope that UK people will wake up and stand for freedom, rights and their great traditions before is to late, or I'll have to join the exodus of honest and good British people to Spain, regards.
29th Oct 08 02:10

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Robbie

Part I
Register a car in UK it is a nightmare, it seems to me that the process has been made incredibly complicate just to steal money from our pocket with bureaucracy tricks. DVLA want 55 pounds as "administration fee" not considering that basically they will acquire a new customer paying more than 200 quids per year so it is just a rip off, and if you need to contact them by phone they provide you with a 0870 premium rate telephone number, so you pay them in order to know how to pay them... Then you need a "Certificate of Conformity" from the manufacturer of your car, witch is exactly the same car sold here but with a left hand drive and some differences in lighting and speedometer, easily adjustable by any mechanic or by yourself with different lights and a sticker for miles and kilometres; needless to say that certificate is going to cost you from 60 to 100 pounds depending of the make of your car. Then you need a "Mutual Recognition" witch is another rip off since you need to pay 70 pounds to get a certificate stating that your mechanic did all the alterations to your car to drive in UK and then you need an MOT as well for another 50 pounds. When all its over add another 20 quids to get the actual registration plates. All this is going to cost time as well, and time is money.
29th Oct 08 02:10

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MattUK

Dear complainer, I am sure that you have a personal reason for the complain and you should consider that we are living IN EEU states members have the right to circulate in our country as we have the same right to circulate in their country I am sure your neighbor has to pay MOT and Insurance and tax road in their country therefore he is entitle to circulate in EEU states as I did in spain using my British registration and stayed there for a year saying that it didn't stop me to pay my tax road and my MOT + insurance over here;
28th Oct 08 07:10

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astralii

I've paid lot's of money back in my country to get MOT,INSURANCE and TAX for same pcice like in the UK and now I've got WARNNING that I have to register my car in UK. Why? I'm not resident so don't nderstand why I should do so. I always stay for five months and than driving back home for holidays. Bussel should came with solution for everyone. I don't mind to pay for road tax in UK but at the same time don't want to register my car here.
26th Oct 08 10:10

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Jamie

I think he's in the right!!

I dont know what his motivations were for contacting the authorities, but I work as a claim negotiator for AXA Commercial Motor Claims, and there are more forreign uninsured drivers out there than British, it not discrimination, but so a fact!!

And condeming one person for their opinions is also bigotted, so get a life!!
25th Oct 08 04:10

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wulf190

already cottoned on to that 1! haha, ive had my lhd 'opel' astra running around on jerry plates for ages! English born n bred me. wahey!
24th Oct 08 08:10

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scala

You slimy little waste of space. Is grassing people up your hobby? Get a bloody job and stop spending your time being the authorities little unpaid sweetheart! This, it seems to me, has more to do with your small minded racist views rather than any concern over an untaxed car! I bet you didn't walk up your road checking whether all the cars with UK plates had there tax in order did you?

You make me sick!
22nd Oct 08 11:10

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Saul

Hi, how do you really suggest to enforce and proceed propper car checking in terms how long it has been in UK. I travel a lot, first time I was in UK with my car was about 3 years ago, and one friday night I come out after a meeting and find my car clamped. I call DVLA and they say - "your car was spotted in UK more than 6 months ago...." what the hell is that about? what about people traveling constantly or even coming to visit London once a year? (your was spotted in UK 12 months ago.. lets crush it...) What logic reason they can provide for this action?
11th Oct 08 07:10

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Ed

I´ve been driving foreign vehicles registered abroad for years now.

The plus side:
An international Insurance policy held in the country of the vehicles origin is as valid as an english policy as long as you have the green card at no extra cost.
Parking fines, and speeding tickets dont need to be paid
No Road tax or MOT
No congestion charges
No fines for driving in bus lanes.
However most european countries have their own form of MOT that has to be kept up to date for the insurance to be valid so I take my car back every year to get it done.
The cost of the car is a lot cheaper

bad points,
If you have an accident or anything that needs to be done to the car via the insurance it can take ages to get done.

My Advice buy a foreign (European car). However it will need to be registered to a physical address in the country of origin and all papers kept up to date.

:-) probably not what you want to hear but..
6th Oct 08 02:10

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I was very interested to come across your site about foreign vehicles. At a residents meeting two weeks ago a gentleman from DVLA Swansea gave us a talk about untaxed cars, clamping etc. I raised the question of foreign registered vehicles and was told that the DLVA are getting up and running a data base of all foreign vehicles. this will enable them to check the whereabouts of these vehicles and take action if necessary. I asked that if I reported any foreign registered vehicle would it be put on the date base and was told yes it would.

hopefully this data base will prove to be a "winner" because it is galling to see so many unregistered foreign vehicles on our roads. By the way, I am writing from Cardiff so the problem is UK spread.

If you see a foreign registered vehicle let the DVLA know and it will be put on the data base and if the same vehicle is spotted at a later date the DVLA will know how long it's been in the Country.
5th Oct 08 03:10

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Badger

I lived in Tenerife for a couple of years and over there any car nor spanish registered was suseptible for crushing. You had 6 months to have the car registered and MOT'd. Obviously this was difficult to enforce but the local police would slap a sticker on the car saying. you have been caught yu now have six months or we will crush it. Believe me it worked, al lthe expats with UK cars had them registered especially after a couple of our mates got their cars crushed. We should do the same over here
22nd Sep 08 03:09

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JL

Yeah, that's the law. I'm just saying it makes no sense. It makes no real difference if you paid the taxes and the insurances abroad. It's just important that you paid. The European legislation ignores this and that's it. We pay. Full stop. Would it be so difficult creating a Unified European Registration?
19th Sep 08 02:09

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JL

Yeah, that's the law. I'm just saying it makes no sense. It makes no real difference if you paid the taxes and the insurances abroad. It's just important that you paid. The European legislation ignores this and that's it. We pay. Full stop. Would it be so difficult creating a Unified European Registration?
19th Sep 08 01:09

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JL

Many are quite missing the point here. People in Europe are allowed to move in all the different countries and there are all these problems with cars? Why do I need a British plate? It just makes no sense. Every country has a road tax? OK. Just let everybody pay for it where he lives without changing plates. And more. Put everybody in competition. Let people buy cars abroad, let me insure my car with a Portuguese or Slovenian or Danish company if it's cheaper. The problem here is that the countries just bother the people to rip them off. They give you the "globalisation" and then they charge you for it. Asking for an MOT and a road tax sounds reasonable. Registrations and other silly things are just rip-offs. I'm not blaming the UK. All the countries behave this way. In Italy, you have to pay the road tax just because you have a license plate. If you keep the car in your garage or you only drive abroad, you have to pay anyways. The lack of internationalisation in the car and insurance market creates big problems to the foreigners (I'm selling my car and buying another one in the UK without any reasonable reason) but also makes things more expensive for the British. Do you think your insurance would cost the same if you could just ring up someone in Austria and let him insure your car no matter what license plate you have or where you live?
19th Sep 08 01:09

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MikeP

I think the points many of you are missing, or choosing to ignore, are that under EU legislation (which is a crock of sh@t by the way but that is not the point of this discussion, unfortunately it is law and has to be followed) :

- a car used in one EU state must be fully compliant with the laws of its home country. If its roadworthiness certification, insurance, taxation, or whatever else is required, has expired, then it is illegal in its own country and thus in any other country. The serious issue arising from this is that an inusrance company would most likely find this as an excuse to repudiate a claim meaning that the responsible party could find themselves in serious financial difficulty, or worse, that the injured party would end up without compensation.

- if a car is kept continuously in another EU country, it must be registered in that country. This of course is full of loopholes and inconsistencies, hence my statement above that the legislation is a a crock of sh@t. So is just about everything else that comes from Brussels.
19th Sep 08 12:09

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JL

Many are quite missing the point here. People in Europe are allowed to move in all the different countries and there are all these problems with cars? Why do I need a British plate? It just makes no sense. Every country has a road tax? OK. Just let everybody pay for it where he lives without changing plates. And more. Put everybody in competition. Let people buy cars abroad, let me insure my car with a Portuguese or Slovenian or Danish company if it's cheaper. The problem here is that the countries just bother the people to rip them off. They give you the "globalisation" and then they charge you for it. Asking for an MOT and a road tax sounds reasonable. Registrations and other silly things are just rip-offs. I'm not blaming the UK. All the countries behave this way. In Italy, you have to pay the road tax just because you have a license plate. If you keep the car in your garage or you only drive abroad, you have to pay anyways. The lack of internationalisation in the car and insurance market creates big problems to the foreigners (I'm selling my car and buying another one in the UK without any reasonable reason) but also makes things more expensive for the British. Do you think your insurance would cost the same if you could just ring up someone in Austria and let him insure your car no matter what license plate you have or where you live?
19th Sep 08 12:09

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zeitgeist

What kind of a snitch are you? Blind, ignorant and brainwashed follower of a institution that literraly robs you of you're own hard earned money. I bet you went and keyed their car as well.
19th Sep 08 02:09

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MikeP

This article is not pathetic. The crux of the matter is in the last paragraph. "Let's all hope that none of these unregistered vehicles mows anyone down. The police would have no idea who owns the vehicle or even what kind of vehicle it was. They would literally, "get away with murder". "

Most of these foreign registered vehicles are not legal in their own country, as they have been away for to long to remain compliant with the formalities there, thus it follows that they are not legal in the UK. Legality aside, what really matters is that they are uninsured and in the event of an accident the injured party would have enormous difficulty in pursuing, let alone winning, a claim.

The DVLA are pretty hot in chasing up UK cars without a current road fund disc, including one of mine which had gone just a few days over the expiry date and which was parked on my driveway whilst I was on the other side of the world. I'd forgotten to apply for the disc before leaving.

I fail to see why they can't act with equal alacrity against 'illegal' foreign cars. If the owner can't be traced, the car should be crushed.
10th Sep 08 10:09

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markys

This article is really pathetic. Can't you find anything else to complain about? Why would anyone want to go to police because a car with foreign numberplate parking in their street? I just do'nt understand it. I have got my car in this country with foreign numberplate and can assure that I will never ever change it just because I live in UK. Brits don't change numberplates on their cars when going to live abroad, do they?
10th Sep 08 08:09

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Andrea

C'mon, I have a foreign (Italian) plate in France, and I'm moving soon in the UK. Your vision is quite partial...
First, there may be many reasons for which one doesn't register:
1) If you drive in in a state less than 6 months in a year you don't need to.
2) even if you are staying 1 full year... to change a plate to a Uk one may be easy. To switch back to the Italian after this, may take months and lot of money, not to count effects on insurance.
Therefore, ok, on 3 years I admit one should be able to change plate.... but for shorter times...

Then the "foreign" car must be regular in its own counrty. I pay for my (Ford Focus 2007) around 200€ of taxes and 1000€ of insurance. Don't think I'm paying much less than UK prices (this may even be an incentive to switch...)
For my motorbike I'm paying of taxes alone around 300€ x year! in UK it would be arund 80€.

So it's not a question to escape paying taxes at all. But there's lot of bureaucracy involved... and time... and this keeps people from changing plate if they are not sure how long they'll stay in a place.

As for insurance, at least EU insurances are fully valid in UK too. So there is no problem of non-payment neither untraceability.

Finally, don't think you would be better off buying a car abroad. For fines maybe, if you want to abuse of it (but same would be if you go on holiday...). For costs/taxes, you may have surprises.

ciao,
Andrea

Finally, what you say about fines is true. It's up to the honesty of a person not to abuse of this.
9th Sep 08 12:09

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Thomas

yes but this car paid tax, insurance and has an MOT in country were is registerd. is the same when english people go to Spain for let's say 2 years. No one ask them to pay thier tax, thier MOT and thier insurance. It is a EU!!
8th Sep 08 10:09

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you nob

My cousin drove from Portugal to visit us in London UK. Within 2 hours of him parking outside my house within the parking restriction on a saturday afternoon, he had a warning notice about his un-taxed, unregistered vehicle put on his windscreen. My nasty neighbour had reported it. After only 2 hours! So don't worry your little head about it mate. The local council is listening to misserable old gits like you who have nothing better to do. Rather two faced of you actualy. First you tried to screw your neighbour over, then you say you are planning to do the same thing yourself. What a nob.
6th Sep 08 10:09

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bored of you

stop being a moany sod - what kind of sad pathetic person phones the DVLA, Police and god knows who else trying to get someone arrested/fined/banned

it's a clear fault with the system, not the person who has discovered the loophole, put the green-eyed monster away and get a hobby for all of our sakes
26th Aug 08 06:08

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seb

I will be happy if somebody tell me where can I insure my lhd car,it's subaru p1 with lots of mods
(400+ bhp) bloke in insur.comp.told that i'm to young(21) to drive so fast car in UK. I pay in PL at the moment about 2k gbp for insuranse and really don't care how much it will be in UK
but hope it's no more than 3k gbp.

nice regards
1st Aug 08 12:08

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britishpatriot.er.was

like the OP I have foreign cars in my street all of which have been here over 12 months and not one has been taxed, insured or registered here in the uk. What is just as bad is that each one is in a dreadful state that I doubt that they would even pass a MOT test. My council won't do anything about them. The DVLA is just as bad as the owners are now driving UK registered cars all with expired TAX and no insurance. I am starting to feel the minority nowadays and not even worthy of holding my own, I wonder when us Brits will have our voting entitlements taken away from us.
30th Jun 08 06:06

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Karl G

Sly, you are not driving your vehicle in your own country, you are driving it here.

It is NOT a case of you don't want to register your car in this country, you have to.

If the fees are huge for registration in your own country then this is your look out. There are a lot of extra expenditure we all have to deal with, we don't want to pay but we don't have much of a choice.

What about that???
30th Jun 08 09:06

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sly

OK,
I understand your complains, but if I'm going to stay here for somthing like 6 months and 2 weeks (I have a contract valid for that time) so what shall I do. I am a foreign driver ang I've got a car with plates, taxes and insurance from my country. If I want to be fair, I should pay a road tax here, because of using UK roads, but there is a problem: I don't want to register my car in here (I'll have a huge fees for registration change in my country), so I can't pay a road tax...

What about that???
28th Jun 08 10:06

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nesh

I have imported car from Montreal, Canada, (Canadian plates, driving licence, passport). I want to drive that car out of UK. I was told by DVLI that I was allowed to drive that car 6 months in UK with Canadian plates. However, car is not inssured (neighter in Canada nor in UK). Questions:
1. Do I need temprorary insurance in UK?
2. If yes, do you know inssurance company that does that? I spent all day calling all major companies and they are doing inssurance only for cars from UK, not for those registered abroad.
3. MSC shipping company who gave me assistance for offloading, denied to give me my car without having UK inssurance. Are they allowed to ask from me insurance?
Please help, I do not see the solution, but it should be some. How turists drive cars in UK?
23rd Jun 08 10:06

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Korvus

You can only buy a car from abroad if you reside in that country. You can't register a car, say in France, if you don't officially live there. So you'll still need to bring it and register it in UK. It'd be easier and cheaper (and would also have the steering wheel on the correct side) if you bought it from UK instead.

I agree that it's not fare to ask foreign cars to pay tax or make insurance in UK because allegedly they have already payed them in the country of origin. Furthermore, if the car is from EU it can't really be determined when the car entered UK because of the open borders agreement. So no one can really say when the 6 months pass.
10th Jun 08 03:06

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dimples

It's all good doing what you are doing but being the owner of a Foreign car Your DVLA system is terrible it is hard to get them registered and insured in this country, unless you are a trader. You need insurance to register the car and you need registration to insure the car so you need to make calls to make the system easier. And furthermore I pay more than my fair share in this country.
3rd Jun 08 03:06

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flycatcher

I agree the DVLA will crush you car unless its from east europe, as usual we pay
28th May 08 01:05

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dorine

I want to buy an lhd car and do a road trip around Europe. I've found an Italian registered car already, but I didn't buy it yet, because I do not know how the system works. Most of the car insurance companies offer quotes for UK registered vehicles..any recommendation will be greatly appreciated..
26th May 08 10:05

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dorine

I want to buy an lhd car and do a road trip around Europe. I've found an Italian registered car already, but I didn't buy it yet, because I do not know how the system works. Most of the car insurance companies offer quotes for UK registered vehicles..any recommendation will be greatly appreciated..
25th May 08 09:05

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Chrissie from Thetford, Norfol

Hi. I have come across the same situation whereby a foreign plated car is parked in my street. Two Lithuanian men have bought a house last December and now live and work here. One drive a perfectly legal british plated car which is taxed etc, the other drives a leftr hand drive BMW with a foreign plate. It is perfectly obvious that after buying a relatively expensive house and both working for a local business, that they intend on staying in the UK. I spoke to the DVLA today and they suggested that I write to the nearest local office with details of the vehicle and the address of the owner, so that they could advise them to register the vehicle etc. In the meantime, like you say, if an accident occurs, and it is the fault of the foreign driver, the UK driver would be unable to claim for damages, and if someone were injured or killed, then it's worse. Perhaps Customs should take note of every foreign plated car that comes into the UK and then if it doesn't go out in 6 months, their system should flag it up and perhaps the car owner could be tracked by the police, if they have a mind to actually do something about it that is!!!
20th May 08 12:05

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get in the real world

Quick Tip - If you ever have an accident with a foreign lorry, make sure that you get the registration number from the cab and not from the trailer. They can often be different and it is the cab reg that you need or your insurer will not be able to trace the vehicle through the MIB. Also insist on getting the name of their foreign insurer,policy number the country the vehicle is registered in and if possible their drivers licence number and the drivers name and address.Even if you dont understand it, the motor insurers bureau will!!
15th May 08 09:05

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Smurf

With vastly increased income from fuel taxes and duties there should be no need for the burocracy involving the levy of 'Road Tax' unless the Government of the day would be prepared to spend that income on the improvement of ALL transport infrastructures ; Police have access to both MoT and Insurance databases via numberplate recognition systems - which are far more important than the 'Tax Disk' - see the comments attached to the following Downing Street Petition (mentions foreign vehicles as well as other unfairness associated with Vehicle Excise Duty ('Road Tax') - http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/RoadTaxAbolition/
8th May 08 10:05

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Tony

I had written to my MP, Lynne Featherstone about this issue and she wrote to Stephen Ladyman at the DFT about this issue. He replied to say that the Government were doing
some research etc (2004) but not heard any more.

Suggested that they needed a campaign to make foreign drivers aware that after 6 months
they needed to get a UK License plate and pay UK Road Tax. Have not seen any advice at
any of the ports.

Also suggested that perhaps all Foreign vehicles on UK Roads need to buy a tax disc, like
the one needed in Switzerland, to show when the 6 month period started. Therefore, any vehicle
seen without a tax disc older than 6 months would be clamped until the owner took action.

The same way that a UK registered vehicle could be clamped, towed away and destroyed should
also apply to Foreign vehicles in the UK for longer than 6 months. However, its like everything we
can expect from Labour, none of the ministers seem to be doing their jobs.

There is an EU wide agreement which allows vehicles from one member state to be used in another as long as it is insured, but this is only for 6 months. After that the vehicle is treated
as an import and you are required in any EU state to register the vehicle and follow the same
rules as locals.

I think the people that seem to think its fair need to do some research before the attack someone for pointing out something that is unfair to local people in the UK. Otherwise, we
should all be able to tax and insure a vehicle any where in the EU, where it would be cheapest
for us.

If I move to Czech republic, after having my vehicle in their country for 6 months I would be
required to regsiter my vehicle there and display a Czech license plate, have the car taxed
and insured. The reason that lots of these people like the lack of checks in the UK is that they
avoid having to pay the same as UK registered vehciles.
5th May 08 11:05

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JohnJohn

Do you own a car ? Do you pay your taxes? Do you abide by the law? Continue doing just that. Let others do as they see fit. Nuff said.
2nd May 08 01:05

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relax

how sad are you? get a job, a woman and make some friends. basically get a life dude!
saying that foreigners do not contribute to the UK economy is absurd! and that proves you are one not to be considered at all. actually I am waisting my time already here .... hehehe you saddo!
23rd Apr 08 11:04

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Max

David is right, all foreign cars are covered by Europe wide insurance. They also pay road tax and pass MOTs in the countries where they are registered. Therefore they are not free riders. Registering a foreign car in the UK is fairly complicated, and nobody seems to know how to do it, most likely because they do not really care.

I would agree with spikimike, the easiest solution would be to adopt the Swiss model: just tax all foreign vehicles at ports, that should be not too difficult. It would make it easy for drivers and bring revenue to DVLA. Britain being an island, there can't be that many points of entry. If that has not yet been done, that's because of lack of political will, of whatever colour (Labour or Tory, Karl), due to the economic interests involved. Unlike Switzerland, which is mostly a through destination of commercial and leisure traffic, the UK is often the final one, and charging all traffic entering the country would have repercussions on businesses and thus on the economy as a whole. Moreover, if you charge French motorists coming in, they will probably retaliate, charging British drivers on shopping sprees to Calais (cheap booze and smokes anyone?)

As for accidents and other violations, the police could track the culprits if they wanted, at least for more serious offenses. It would only take time, hence they do not bother. However, due to increasing cross border traffic, a new EU database is being introduced, which will allow police forces to exchange information on motorists across Europe easily and quickly.
23rd Apr 08 11:04

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emzet45

You can not buy abroad because you dont reside there. that means you dont have any address abroad to register such vehicle. and if you had one you WOULD PAY ROAD TAX,INSURANCE AND MOT in that particular country. so what would that save you?? clever...
22nd Apr 08 03:04

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Karl

If a foreigner happens to bump you on the road. The best advice is to photo him and his car. Chances are he is not covered to be on the road.

If you get the police involved, tell them people or you are injured. If you fail to do so, they won't come to the scene.

Photo as in the camera on your phone if it has one.
21st Apr 08 05:04

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Pavel

My problem is exactly as described below. I can not bring and register a car here when it is leased in a different country. Any solutions appart of taking the car each 6 months outside of UK?
Petře, vyřešil jsi to nějak? avalanche@tiscali.cz
21st Apr 08 04:04

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Petr

I have just come to UK and I'm looking for information about road tax. And be sure, you are not right in all cases. Cars from European countries are insured and most likely road tax is payied in their home country (as my case is - Czech Republic).
I can agree with opinion here for long stays. However if I do not pay for my car in my country next year (nobody asks where I am staying), I can expect really "fat" fine because my car is registered and expected to pay for it every year (aprox. 200 - 300 GBP/year).
You are not the only people to pay taxes :-). And if you go abroad, you do not need to pay any tax more (except motorway fee in CR - 30 GBP/year :-).
I like government!
9th Apr 08 07:04

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Petr

I have just come to UK and I'm looking for information about road tax. And be sure, you are not right in all cases. Cars from European countries are insured and most likely road tax is payied in their home country (as my case is - Czech Republic).
I can agree with opinion here for long stays. However if I do not pay for my car in my country next year (nobody asks where I am staying), I can expect really "fat" fine because my car is registered and expected to pay for it every year (aprox. 200 - 300 GBP/year).
You are not the only people to pay taxes :-). And if you go abroad, you do not need to pay any tax more (except motorway fee in CR - 30 GBP/year :-).
I like government!
9th Apr 08 07:04

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spikimike

Really, thinking that foreign cars do not need insurance, MOT, or pay taxes, is ridiculous, so if you have a accident with them and it is their fault you might end up paying for it and there os nothing you can do about it. All UK cars are comtrolled by the DVLA and if you don't pay your tax they will come and fine you or even crash your car, once again if you are a foriegner you ahve more right's then a British person, this is not fair we should inform a national newspaper about this go even inform or local MP's to find out how thay will deal with this.
In Switzerland every car or lorry entering Switzerland must have a motorway tax disc, so why can't we do the same at all ports where they enter this country just think of all the tax will come into this country.
7th Mar 08 07:03

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Deliverance

David, British cars that go abroad are generally tourists who will contribute to the economy of the country they are visitng & then return. The difference is that many foreign cars here are long term immigrants who use our road network, etc without contributing a penny.
This situation must be stopped - in fact, why not stop all immigration?
5th Mar 08 03:03

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David

It is not true you will not have to pay road tax, insurace or MOT.

You will have to pay Road Tax in the country where the car is registered (could be cheaper or not depending on the country)

You will have to pay insurance in the country where it is registered (pretty much the same price, if not higher to allow for foreign use of the car)

And you will have to do the MOT, as per rules of the country where it is registered (similar than the UK rules)

Really, thinking that foreign cars do not need insurance, MOT, or pay taxes, is ridiculous.

It is true though, that you can get away with parking tickets or speeding fines ... as they aren't able to find out where you live or who you are. But this is exactly the same as when british cars go abroad ...
2nd Mar 08 11:03

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Karl

A system for ensuring they are legal to drive in the UK needs to be enforced. Not only for foreign but for all cars in the UK.

Last year a woman driving a 2.5 tonne 4x4 ripped the roof off my car with four of us in it. No insurance because her priorities were around her neck, wrist and on her fingers. I thought she was the wife of Mr. 'T'.

Deliverance is right, we need to lose Labour. He won't call an election for he knows what's going to happen. I'm sick of this govt. skinning me alive. If they want my shirt they can have it.

If they are not removed and soon, we will spiral into decay rapidly and the only source to save us will be a lifeform from another galaxy.
27th Feb 08 11:02

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Deliverance

I totally agree with Sascha that road-tax is inefficient, etc. - a fairer system would be to increase fuel tax. However as along as it exists why should the majority of UK citizens, already struggling to pay their way, subsidise immigrants who have never contributed a penny to this country and whose earnings whilst here will probably be sent home.
This "free ride" is an outrage, yet another example of New Labour incompetence.
27th Feb 08 10:02

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Sascha

a system of annual fixed-fee paper tokens is anachronistic, inefficient, and redundant ... it needs to go away!!! I don't care about EU cars driving in the UK, if they have proper insurance and MOT.
26th Feb 08 12:02

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Deliverance

Foreign cars entering the UK should pay a levy upon entry, say £250.
This would be refunded once the car had been registered or upon return to its native land if this is within one month (eg. a genuine tourist).
This "free ride" is an outrage.
What about MOT's & insurance?
25th Feb 08 01:02

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SB

You have to understand that it is not always possible to register your leased car in the UK. It is not allowed by leasing companies. Even if you want to apply for road TAX, you can not!!!

www.direct.gov.uk --> Temporarily importing a vehicle

All you need is to cross UK border every six months and there is nothing you can do about it ...

To "ruby": Do you think GB registered cars shouldn't be allowed to come into the EU countries, full stop as well? this is stupid, isin't it?

there must be something in place for foreign registered cars to pay the road tax, but there is nothing ...
22nd Feb 08 01:02

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iKenj

I understand how that may frustrate someone but still that's no reason to go and dime someone out like that...
16th Feb 08 08:02

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fugordo

I went and deliberatly bought a car from abroad, it is insured and legal to drive, I havent registered it on UK plates nor am I going to, I refuse to pay Livingscum, the 'saftey partnerships' forigen traffic wardens or the head retard in number 10 a penny.
7th Feb 08 09:02

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ruby

I totally agree its not fair that our useless LABOUR govt allow foreigners to use our roads but don't make them pay a penny towards road tax and at the same time use millions if tax payers money to intimidate us into paying road tax................ I think foreign cars shouldn't be allowed to come into the UK full stop! they either have to use our public transport systems or rent UK registered cars. thats the only way we can keep our british roads for british taxed cars
2nd Feb 08 06:02

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hatelabour

Start a petition. Create a database of all Foreign Cars in your area with dates and photographs where possible of these foreign cars. Immigration explosion, baby explosion, car explosion, what next? Its not British anymore for the British if you know what I mean. They should have NEVER voted for LABOUR !!
30th Jan 08 01:01

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owner of e-bay in the bahamas

You should sell it on e-bay and send the owner a DVLA form for his next car. I bet he's French anyway and they can't read english
15th Dec 07 04:12

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eenock powel

who the hell are reapers? all non english should be shiped back to the crap country they come from then crim would drop and job prospects would rise.
14th Dec 07 06:12

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Not Rocket Science

I know a couple of guys who are in the police and from their point of view these cars are a nightmare. There is no record of when a car enters the UK so legaly there is not anyway of telling how long a car has been there, the cars do not have UK tax disks and therefore there is no way of ensuring that the car is ensured or even road worthy, I have seen polish cars that would not pass an MOT and therefore are by definition not insured in the UK. The government need to clarify this area of legislation and put processes in place to effectively enforce it. My solution is to impose a 6 month tempory licence when cars enter the country so at least it is on record how long the car has been here.
20th Nov 07 01:11

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EU citizen

Hey english ... you and your limited minds. There are plenty of cars registered in the UK abroad within EU not paying local taxes and insurance for a long-term period.
19th Nov 07 03:11

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Reapers will rule...

european convention .... who the fok are you!!! english c**t... your lucky the reaper group don't know who you are.. you'll go down just like the rest..

England needs some more vigilante groups like ours to sort out our increasing problems. Our govement just don't give a fuk...
12th Nov 07 12:11

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Muffy

Are you seriously implying the Police aren't interested? You're wrong, and I should know - I am one. Phone your local force & tell them you are reporting a foreign vehicle which has been here for 3 years, and that you have the full details. If you can't tell them the address of the owner, it will take some investigation by the Police to try & find that out - that will not be treated as a priority, but as a routine enquiry (and rightly so). The Police however are duty-bound to take your report and investigate it.
31st Oct 07 05:10

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Muffy

They said "there's nothing we can do, contact DVLA".

That's claptrap, and I don't believe it. DVLA were right about having no responsibility for the vehicle not being UK-registered - that's a Police enforcement issue. If the vehicle has been in the UK for more than 6 months in the last 12 (not necessarily continuous), then it is legally required to be registered, MoTd if more than 3 years old, and road-taxed.
31st Oct 07 05:10

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england lost

Report these cars to www.direct.gov.uk
just to see if foriegner drivers are given special treatment by the officials whom , at the first chance they get slap us citizens with fines etc,curious to see if any one gets ANY response from them??
25th Oct 07 10:10

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england lost

yeah they do work lots of hours,and so would I if I never had to pay any bills I.e community tax,television licence,no waiting lists or drug refusals for expensive drugs, no postcode lottery,family credit for families who are still in there originating country?"working holiday"for them,just food and chip in for the rent,I mean they can get taxi fairs to and from work everday because they can get help with there travel costs from the state{taxpayers}.where I work if they dont drive illegally they travel in taxis about 20 miles or so they said it costs nearly £37 there and back lololol,they are on 6.50 per hour?you work it out?
tax free for 1st year of residence here in the uk?cant be bad EH,its people like you jackie who are going to lose great britain its identity,dont you watch the news?a million poles so far,with many more expected,all leading to britan lost!!
I bet you dont earn £5 or £6 per hour,and if you do,dont it make you sick watching all these foriegners raking it in with limited bills to pay,whilst you scrat to make ends meet? could you save £100 per week?as 4 "european convention"you are just a foriegn rascist moron,who is another who will take and then abuse us after,shame on you "boy"
25th Oct 07 09:10

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Matthew

It is legal to bring a car into the UK and drive it for up to six months in any one year period so long as the car is legal in the country of registration e.g. it is insured, taxed and roadworthy there.
Any car brought into the country for longer than 6 months must be taxed, MOT'd and insured although I am not exactly sure how they are meant to enforce it.
The point is, don't go smashing any Polish windscreens in resentment they might have only been here 3 months!
25th Oct 07 02:10

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Jackie

YOU ARE WRONG!! These cars are insured, the Polish ones anyway. If they have foreign number plates (ie Polish in this case) then they have Polish insurers. Polish people are very careful with their money (because they do not have a lot of it, one of the reasons so many have flocked to the UK to find jobs) hence the last thing they want is to have the car stolen/damaged/crashed and not have any insurance. As to drink driving I live in a village where there are 300 Poles (and this is a lot as the village is very small) and I have not witnessed any drink driving or car write-offs. These people are hard working and most work 12 hours plus a day if not 16 and a lot do night-shift. Give them a break!
22nd Oct 07 09:10

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under enforcement

Rubbish: parking laws amd regulations and anti-smoking regulations are enforced daily.

What about cars registered in Ireland? I see hundreds of them everywhere.
4th Oct 07 08:10

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Jacko

From the English State of Newark. We have a high population of Latvian and Polish in the town and a high proportion of those have un taxed vehicles parked around the town. They are in the main decent vehicles which would indicate that there should be no reason why these people could not afford to pay their taxes. However as in many cases in this country of ours there are laws passed but no enforcement of any of them. We do not practice enforcement rather emergency response to something that goes wrong. Try calling 999 and see the response you get.
4th Oct 07 05:10

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cabin3boy

Living in Wrexham we have more than 10000 Polish immigrants and their many vehicles. Drink-driving is rife amongst this community and large numbers of crashed vehicles are recovered all the time. As long as the police aren't involved the owners are happy to pay the recovery charge, I suppose they can afford to if they are not paying road tax etc. Pray no-one gets injured.
28th Sep 07 07:09

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Mr Si Lent-Majority

I wonder if this subject will be brought up at the Labour Party Conference in Bournemouth this week?

Clearly there are far more pressing items such as the possibility of when Gordon decides to call an election.....

Just when will someone or group in authourity actually have the bottle to stand up and actually do something? Clearly the law-abiding citizens are "fair game" as they are registered and can easily be caught for speeding/parking etc. and fines and penalty points issued at will.

Clearly there are some law adibing immigrants in this country who go about things in the correct manner however I am sure everyone could easily find at least one that is not. Why should I and thousands upon thousands of others pay for the minority?

Maybe we should flood the tunnel, build the coastal defences back up and bring back "Dads Army" to patrol the coasts and man checkpoints...... or simply have more immigration officers at the ports and check EVERY vehicle arriving that it has the correct paperwork, the details copied and entered onto a national database.
The GB plated vehicles are all held on a database and with the number plate recognition cameras/software it should not be difficult to manage......................

... is that too difficult or am I just too cynical?
25th Sep 07 03:09

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edd.new

Lithuainian Neighbours at one time five unlicenced cars in our street.road cannot be cleaned and no room for genuine tax payers.With the projected influx of thousands of illegals,where will this all stop.Come on Mr Brown lets see some action,we could do with someone to support all us law abiding folk.or we could do with a PM like they have in Australia, at least he is trying to keep the country functioning.time to put the gates up.
19th Sep 07 09:09

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mick

we deserve what is happening to this country we vote these useless politicians in then moan about whats happening to our country vote for anyone but the 3 major parties at next election then see how quickly things will change while we all vote labour or conservative nothing will change all snouts in the trough they dont give a damn whats happening to are country
27th Aug 07 08:08

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Tough Love

Dear BK All you need to do is get the car imported to the UK get a english number plate then pay up like all the rest of us English Fools... I'm out of this contry at the end of the year so I won't see ENGLAND whats surely soon to be known as INGLABANIA
14th Aug 07 10:08

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BK

this is realy funny
you're complaining about "foreign" cars in UK, so here is other point of view
I'm slovakia guy. I've got offer from sun microsystems to work in Uk. I signed contract, took my car and crossed channel. I live here 10 months. after 6months I wanted to pay road tax. 160gbp is nothing
so I called DVLA that I would like to pay road tax but keep my slovakia registration because Ive got financing and finance company will not allow me to reregister my car in UK till I pay my financing.
DVLA said that then I have to leave country.
realy great advice. so I want to pay road tax, my car is insured, but I'm not allowed to pay road tax.
I see that you love to speak with police PR and DVLA, so can you give them a call and find out what shall I do ( apart from leaving country )
7th Aug 07 11:08

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MAC

This gets me so annoyed the way they come over here and live in the uk and get away with NO TAX.. I pay £196 for my car a year... our goverment should be doing something about it.. Soon things will have to be done about this..
2nd Aug 07 12:08

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C. More-butts

Dear Yoyo,

4 years ago, yes that's right 4 years ago both of my cars were hit by an uninsured driver,one of them was written off. Guess what, the insurance company are still using the courts to try and get some money off the unemployed, high on drugs driver that smashed up my cars.

I know there are other issues here but now that half of Poland lives in this country, surely the government needs to act to sort out this important issue.
24th Jul 07 06:07

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justice4all

To yoyo,

Hope some uninsured imported car writes yours off!
23rd Jul 07 03:07

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Phil

I am travelling frequently between the UK and Europe - so I know how things work on both sides.
Have you ever considered, that you need insurance, road-tax and MOT in pretty much every country in the EU? Foreign students or seasonal workers spent half the year over hear and the rest in Europe - should they really re-register their car several times a year?!?

There are always some idiots who drive without valid insurance (Brits and Foreigners alike!) - but I reckon the majority of Czech and Polish drivers have got valid insurance. If you ever happen to have an accident - ask for their green insurance card!
15th Jul 07 09:07

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Glen

To avoid the chance of being hit by uninsured or unlicenced drivers they always seem to go shopping late at night or early morning to avoid being caught.
15th Jul 07 02:07

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donny

I have a few on my street in reading and the nice polish guy who owns one was worried about a parking ticket so I have just told him not to worry thanks for the info.

I think I should get some polish plates for my car and then no more tickets of any kind.
15th Jul 07 02:07

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yoyo

Why are you intefering with someone elses life?
What buisness is it of yours? Why is it such a big deal to you?
Why cant you mind your own damn buisness and let other people get on with their own lives.

It's really sad that you feel so bored with your life you need to meddle with someone elses.
14th Jul 07 09:07

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Dobbie the dog

I am the driver of a foreign registered vehicle here in the UK, I used to live in another country and came back to England with my foreign car. Since arriving in the UK, I have constantly tried to get English insurance for my vehicle, and re-register it. This is now becoming a nightmare, as to get the new registration, I need to get the insurance first, to get the insurance I need to re-register it. Chicken and egg!!! The only reason I did not sell the vehicle before returning, is that I could not afford to buy an english car, and as I had a very good vehicle it seemed obvious to re-register it. Perhaps the grippers could suggest how I get round the chicken and egg problem for me then at least I can drive my vehicle instead of leaving it on my drive.
13th Jul 07 03:07

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tim g

All those who are British born and bred may as well pack-up and leave this country. We can exchange our lives for all the eastern europeans and many other foreigners coming over here, go and live over there, and not be burdened by the appallingly unfair tax regime imposed by this government.
9th Jul 07 07:07

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hmmm,

good points, lots of very old eastern european originating cars on the roads at the moment!!
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