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Home care worker, poor pay and conditions

Who could afford to work as a home carer?  Well I tried, for about six months and in the end I had to leave because I couldn't afford to stay on.  The company, a national one with council contracts really sold the job to me at my initial interview.  The pay didn't seem too bad at 7.30 an hour, plus free training (not something I would have expected to pay for, anyway) and the chance to do NVQs.  I don't drive but I do have a bike - they told me that all my clients would be in the city centre, 'within walking distance of each other'.

What they DON'T tell you at interview, is that in fact that you are only paid (by the second) for the time you are in a clients house.  You have to 'log in' (using the clients phone) and log out, when you arrive and leave.  If you log out more than three minutes over the allocated time (appointments are usually for either 15 or 30 minutes)you are not paid, unless there is a good excuse - client requires paramedics for example.  And as for all my clients being in the city centre, I was all over the city because they only had TWO in the city centre.

So here's how it is.  I leave home at 6.30 am (and I DO live in the city centre); half an hour of cycling to the first client for a 15 minute call and then another half hour cycle to the next client in the city centre.  This is followed by another half hour for two more clients, both in a subhurb of the city and so on... getting home at around midday, sometimes 12.30 to 1.00pm.  I will then go out again for the evening calls at 5pm, visiting the same clients for 15 minutes each all over the city.  I will usually get home at around 7.30 - 8.00 pm (four clients, 15 minutes each).

A care worker, cycling to work No pay for time spent traveling between clients...

No pay is given for the time you spend travelling between visits which works out at more than the time you spend IN the homes!  In the week before Christmas my wages were 54 for five days work.  Travelling by bicycle or car wont make any difference and the company is unable to keep it's staff because of the way it pays.  Without the staff, it cannot get the clients and so the vicious circle continues.  It also means that the quality of care is driven down.  The company cannot afford to sack staff who fail to turn up at clients houses or who are otherwise incompetent.

Whilst I was working, there was one other carer who routinely failed to keep his appointments, leaving his clients without their medication, without food or with beds unmade.(some of these clients were incontinent), yet he was not sacked.  The company did not have anyone to cover his calls and without carers, would inevitably have lost their lucrative council contract.

In the week before Christmas, this particular carer went abroad. One of his clients, an elderly muslim man with altzeimers was placed on my rota for 'personal care' which involved help with showering.  Because of his religion however, he had specified that he did not want a female carer, so when I rang the office I was told to 'take him off' and not to visit.  They continued to place him on my rota for the next month and the night before my last day they called to ask me if I had been going.  'No', I replied, 'I was told not to - he's a Muslim and he does not want a female carer.'  'Oh, that's alright', the manager said, 'He's been told to expect a female.'  So the next day, I cycled out to his home (45 mins. from the centre) only to be told when I arrived there, that he DIDN'T WANT A WOMAN!!!  This makes me an hour and three quarters late for my next client on the other side of the city, whose son has arrived to take her out and who has cancelled the call by the time I get there.  I don't get paid for either call.

So it is us, the carers, and the elderly or vulnerable who suffer whilst the profit making care agencies continue to rake in the money.  Part of the initial training involves "awareness of clients' cultural sensitivities".  If this company had any genuine regard to cultural sensitivities, it would have returned that muslim man to the council in order for them to have placed him with an agency who could have provided him with a male carer.  Instead, he was left for a month and a half with no care at all.

It's an absolute disgrace.  If there are any people out there with television or radio connections, please consider putting together a documentary about the state of home care in this country.  Elderly people, many of whom suffer from dementia and cannot speak for themselves, or who are simply ground down and resigned to missed appointments, lateness and general incompetence are suffering invisibly.  They do not want a constant flow of different carers that don't stay in the job because the pay is so bad.  It is unsettling for them and upsetting to be always on the verge of losing someone they have got used to.  My clients were extremely upset when I left and I was sad to leave them too.

Gripe over - I have a decent job now where I am paid properly.  The misery, however, continues for carers and clients right across the country and I want people to be angry about it.

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Care staff need to understand business before they make comments about how fair they are treated . The agencies do not get paid for time between calls and are indeed very lucky to get 14-15 pound per hour so when you tale out paying the care staff the overheads the national insurance the mileage you don't have much left at all . It's the councils who make the rules about logging in and out of calls and they are the ones who set the rates we as providers are allowed to charge. It's the councils who need to invest more money in order for providers to pay more .

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paul - 22-Jan-12 19:56 

I would like to hear some feedback about this from a good care provider ! I mean a good care provider that is small in size and turnover and running without the luxury of a local authority contract.
It is very important for a balanced view to be portrayed.
I was surprised that someone has posted that some care agencies receive £60 from the client/council? Absolutely not, one is lucky to receive £15 an hour from the council for care that is delivered. Please let us hear from good small care providers.. many are struggling to exist as price is driven down time after time , making this business not viable for many.

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new kid on the block - 16-Dec-11 23:46 

I have been offered a job in Home Care and i started looking at all i will have to pay out,
1. I have to pay for my Uniform from them.
2. I have to pay for the CRB check
3. I have to pay for Bussinness class Insurance on my car.
4. I have to pay for all the petrol and claim back from the Tax man every year.
5. They do not pay sickness.
6. They only pay for the time you are with the client, not for the travelling.
7. I have to use my own car, if my car breaks down they will lend you a car if they have one free, but you have to pay £43 a week to have a lend and then pay for your car to be mended.
I thought i was working for them not self employed. I cannot afford to do this i am on my own with bills and rent to pay. They are so short staffed they are crying out for these carers. To be able to get a decent wage you need to work 24 hours a day. They have also said you have to work 6 days a week. The job advert says work between 16 and 35 hours a week. The pay is £6.30 an hour that is what they are advertising yet it is mis representing exactly what you will get. You got be on the road for 4 hours and yet only have 4 clients at 20 minutes a time. so you only get paid 1 hour and 20 minutes pay yet you have been on the road for 4 hours. Get real who do they think they are. If i wanted self employment i would have started my own bussinness. so i would get about £8.oo for working 4 hours. which works out at £2.00 an hour.

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Joones - 9-Dec-11 22:45 

There has been a lot of bad publicity about care workers in the media of late and it is about time the workers themselves were heard.

My wife used to work in the care industry part-time and you would not believe the number of rules and regulations that the care industry is subjected to, a bureaucratic nightmare, and they say they are going to impose even further regulation on the industry.

One of the requirements at the place my wife worked was that 80% of the staff had to have or be studying for a qualification, “NVQ , not very qualified “ all this when working shifts, nights, weekends for the bare minimum wage, as other people have said, slavery,
that is why a large proportion of the care workers are immigrants, the native population realise that much better jobs are to be had, hopefully.

I would like someone to explain why the wages in the care industry are so low, when it is obvious that a better calibre of staff may be needed, in some positions.

As working for an agency, that is slavery plus as the agency get as much or more remuneration as the worker.

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Stalag 14 - 24-Nov-11 23:06 

retroboy19, you have my uttermost sympathy. Despite the recent revelations of 'abuse' within the care system - deliberate cruelty of all forms is completely unacceptable! - care workers are clearly themselves suffering from abuse by their employers, and ultimately by government who have little inclination to legislate to protect the rights of workers such as yourself. Your pay is shockingly low; your conditions of service are shockingly bad; and "yes", you are being treated like slave labour. It is a sad reflection of the way we as a society have decide to look after the vulnerable, mainly elderly, members of our society.

Urgent and absolutely fundamental reform of the care system is clearly needed. Employees need to be paid a decent wage with decent conditions of service. Until this is done, all of us in society are actually guilty of abusing our vulnerable, elderly members and we should be absolutely disgusted with ourselves!

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miserablemoaninggit - 24-Nov-11 22:50 

I have just started a job in home care and find it virtually impossible as i am not a car driver.
I only get 6 pound and hour but it is 3.50 for half hour calls.
I am not street aware so it is difficult to get from a to b but i have a morgage and bills to pay so like others on here i am in a catch 22 situation and they ex[pct you to work days,evenings weekends with breaks inbetween stuck in the middle of nowhere.
I cant see myself sticking it but was told by the job centre that if i leave on my own accord it will look as though i dont want to work which is so easy for them to say - they dont work nights,weekends or evenings - something really needs to be done.
i find that some of the carers are even abusing the system,so the clients suffer not spending the scheduled rota time with each client,its a vicious circle,but on the paltry wage its like slave labour, the carers and clients suffering and the agencies racking it in- someting needs to be done a quick.

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retroboy19 - 24-Nov-11 21:10 

melly666, I seem unable to access link for petition. Can you please check it and post again?
Thanks

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magdala - 28-Oct-11 11:16 

I have worked in home care and totally agree with the above comments. My experience was very similar. Having worked for reasonable employers in the past, I was completely shocked at the manner in which I was treated. My major issue was non-payment of travel time. This meant, taking into account travel time between clients, I was working 55 hours in order to achieve 30 hours paid employment at £7 per hour. This means that I was effectively working for £3.82 per hour. I worked split shifts starting at 7am and finishing 10pm which in itself breaks working time regulations. However the employer knows that for you to stand a chance of earning 30 hours per week you have to! I would get constant phone calls on my mobile requesting me to make visits over and above my roster-ed work. Days off were rarely honoured and I was made to feel guilty about refusing to work when it was my day off. In the end I just switched my phone off!
Turnover of staff was consequently very high due to the appalling terms and conditions of employment. Sad to say it is the service users, the old and vulnerable, who suffer the most.
It is not just the companies who provide social care who are to blame. I believe local councils should take responsibility for driving down standards of care by awarding contracts to these companies. It is patetently obvious that the sums don't add up and councils are sticking their heads in the sand whilst the vulnerable suffer and workers are exploited.
This issue needs to be addressed as social care needs increase due to an aging population.
It is good to hear that ACAS is taking on board this issue

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jojo100507 - 4-Oct-11 14:47 

Please sign the petition I put forward

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/13883

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melly666 - 24-Sep-11 16:46 

Hi I've just read this,I'm a carer myself but a 24/7 live-in carer. You are absolutely right in what you say. I started a petetion up for community carers. It's all a big con! I have friends who are working in the community and at times they are working 90-100 hours a week to pay their bills. The only people profiting are the agencies. One friend found she was working 8 hours a day free for them because of this and quit. If you have a car yes you get to clients quicker but not paid for the time inbetween OR the petrol! Some of them are driving 1/2 an hour for a 15 minute call,the petrol money costs more than what they gat paid! I'm presently trying to quit this 24/7 live-in as when you work out our pay we're on about £2.50 an hour gross,sometimes less. The only benefit is I get a free roof over my head (unless they change this also). I sacrifice my friends,relationships and social life to get by..often over worked to exhaustion and often having to deal with verbal abuse and anger from the Service Users....not to mention how much responsibility they hand down to us now. I find myself doing half the District Nursing jobs,Social Worker and accounting jobs then lastly my own! We're now expecting our wages to be sliced again due to the Social Care changes. Yes it's a BIG CON AND I'M FED UP! Problem at the moment though is I cannot afford rent on a 40 hour week low wage and can't study for a career as we're tied to the house all the time. I don't think people realise or appreciate what we go through. I'm caught in a catch 22 situation!

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melly666 - 24-Sep-11 16:44 

to be a support worker, you need to be qualified but not essential as training will be given ie watching a couple dvd's based on support work in a care home(even though my company is not a care home) given multi choice questions which you cant fail even if you put the wrong answer down. CRB check which you have to pay for, vehicle business insurance which aint cheap, etc etc
then you can work from 7am till 11pm & be paid for 7 hours @ around £6.25ph,sometimes you may only have 3hrs pay that day!!, 16p per mile fuel allowance(40p at end of year when you claim for it)
last year i earned about £8500 and my expenses for the year are just under £4000, so basically i earned about £4500 last year untill i get my expenses back which i have to claim for and register for self assesment as they are over £2500

call this a job?


oh and i do this 6 days a week incase anyone thinks we only do it couple days a week

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tallpaul - 19-Aug-11 13:53 

I work in home care and we have been informed last week that we are having our mileage allowance cut from 25p per mile to 16p per mile .. plus they have stopped paying us if we go to a visit and the client is not in, or the office has forgotten to let us know of any cancellations . The agency blame the concil can anyone clarify if this is true because I have my doubts .If we run over our specified time they will only pay us if they think the reason is valid. We have to go into the office each week to collect our rotas but we are not given any mileage allowance this also applys to meetings/ training ect. Do they pay a wagon driver just for the drop offs and not traveling time NO I cannot understand why WE are not paid traveling time .on the news last week it was stated in reality homecare workers are infact paid appox £2.50 an hour ( way below min wage simply for this reason), an 8 hour day and paid for 5 hours plus paying for our own petrol . I love my job but with cuts cuts and more cuts I am going to find it difficult to carry on ..

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anon - 9-Jul-11 15:31 

http://careworkersconnect.forumotion.co.uk/ new forum for carers see what you think

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diydinky - 25-Jun-11 23:20 

Small victory careworkers should be paid travel time at at least minimum wage Acas representative confirmed today see where we go next week.

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diydinky - 24-Jun-11 18:34 

Had no joy from the operations manager so now I'm going to the pre-claim conciliation through ACAS please use them as well, district nurses get paid traveling time so should we

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diydinky - 15-Jun-11 13:29 

Have sent grievance letter to our head office so we will see what happens next

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diydinky - 7-Jun-11 18:34 

thank you so much, I'll follow it up. And please stay in touch. The Reformer has not posted for a while, regarding the carers' website construction, so I am having another go.

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Magdala - 7-Jun-11 10:20 

these are the site's I used then I rang the help line http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/WorkingHoursAndTimeOff/DG_10029426 (what counts as work) 0800 917 2368 then I rang ACAS 08457 47 47 47. hope that helps Magala

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Diydinky - 4-Jun-11 14:24 

Diyinky, could you post the relevant acas link regarding timed workers, please?

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Magdala - 4-Jun-11 10:22 

As a timed worker you should be paid traveling time especially if your pay goes below the minimum wage write to your employer first if nothing is done then go to ACAS for a tribunal this is what I have found out today so that is what I'm going to do and get as many colleagues as I can to do the same

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diydinky - 2-Jun-11 18:23 

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