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TV Licensing send threatening letters

Well it looks as if the TV Licensing people haven't got the message yet, even though their enforcement officers paid us a visit just over a week ago.  I moved to this house a few months ago by the way and have so far completely ignored all the warnings that they have sent demanding that I buy a TV Licence or possibly face a fine.

I don't see why I should communicate with these parasites every time I move house to tell them I still do not have a television.  Why should I?  It's a clear case of being guilty until you prove you are innocent.  As for the enforcement officer with the TV detector van that turned up last week, well he wanted to come in and take a look around to make sure we didn't have a TV.  Naturally I wasn't going to permit a stranger to come into my home without some more official looking documentation.

That TV Licensing badge looked authentic enough, but this guy could have been anyone and I didn't see a van up the street!  He could even have been there just to case the joint for some future robbery or it could have been a distraction burglary, you hear about them all the time.  I sent him away to get a warrant because he wasn't about to enter my house without one.  He mumbled something about making a phone call and that they had detected a television in my house.  I pointed out that the only thing they could have detected was the computer as I don't have a TV.

A sample threatening letter from TV Licensing

That was that I thought as I closed the door and I still haven't heard anything further regarding an inspection so who knows.  I had thought that our little conversation was enough to set the record straight, tick in the box that this house doesn't have a TV etc.  Apparently not though because I received yet another threatening letter from the TV Licensing people addressed to The Occupier.  Very strange that, because the enforcing officer that turned up on my doorstep took a note of my name.  I would have thought that information should have filtered through they system somehow.

Anyway, this letter from TV Licensing is actually the reason for writing this gripe (click on the image to read it in full).  It's the tone of it that I really don't like.  It comes across as very threatening and intimidating and if any other company were to send out this kind of material on a regular basis, I am pretty sure there would be a national uproar.  How do they get away this?

It begins with the words OFFICIAL WARNING in underlined capitals.  A warning of course means cautionary advice about something imminent (especially imminent danger).  An official warning therefore carries more weight.  It means you've done something wrong (or they think you've done something wrong).  Even the typeface comes across as a bit official and stern and this is deliberate I think.  Then there's the liberal scattering of words and phrases such as "police", "criminal" and "court appearance" in the text.

In my opinion this document isn't designed to help you buy a TV Licence, rather it is designed to SCARE you into buying one and that to me is just not on!  When did it suddenly become okay for companies to send out a threatening communication like this?

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have a TV and I don't want one.  But I also don't believe that I should have to inform these people whenever I move house that I still don't want a television.  I especially resent being harassed (yes, that is exactly what this is) and treated like a criminal because I dare to stray from the norm and not buy a TV licence.

Can you imagine how an elderly person would feel having received a threatening notice like this?  Not particularly nice is it?

By: Kenny

How to deal with TV Licensing

Avoiding TVL/BBC harassment
Someone very kindly sent in a link to this site. It contains lots of useful information about dealing with the TV Licensing people and in particular what they can and can't do. I'm inclined to draw your attention to the section called "Tips for avoiding TVL/BBC harassment" on the left hand menu at the top of the page.

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i am at my wits end with tv licence, yes i have a tv i dont watch it i was advised that if the aerial was not connected i was fine, i had a visit i foolishly let him in and yes the tv was not connected , i was taken to court as i pleaded noit guilty and it went to trial, i was fined 305 pounds because i have money others were caught using theres and got a fine of 40.00 looters and criminals get less im totally distraught with it all

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not guilty - 7-Oct-11 19:38 

I`m on the easy pay scheme, & if I`m just a couple of days late with a payment, I get nasty letters threatening me with being thrown off the scheme if I don`t pay up immediately. I think the tv licence should be abolished, & though adverts are irritating sometimes, I would rather put up with them than be stung for £13 a month.

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hairyfairy - 14-Sep-11 13:17 

I'd send the letters back to them (in the original envelope, no stamp) with something like "we do not have a television" written all over them in large red letters.

A call to the citizens advice bureau might also be a good idea.

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grumpyoldwoman - 7-Sep-11 07:08 

We have been living in our rented property for coming upto 5 months, we do not own a TV or anything to do with one, therefore do not have a license. We received our first threatening letter about a month ago, I noticed the address was totally wrong and a number of people had written on the outside of the envelope 'not at this address' or 'try (and named our address)' anyway we had another letter last week, with totally the wrong address again and also not address with our names, threatening to take us to court, the visit from the enforcement officer, court costs and what to expect in court. I really don't want to get in touch with them as there is no need, the cost of the telephone call/writing and sending a letter, and I dont want to give them my correct details as I will be playing into there hands....we are legal, but I am made to feel like a criminal, we dont have TV, we dont want a TV, we dont watch a TV, ....what would other people in our situation do? Thanks

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Gomez - 6-Sep-11 22:49 

do you know what would be a good idea? if everyone kept the threatening letters form the bbc for 6 months and then write on them return to sender, and there is no need to put stamps on them, the offices would inundated with them, just imagine 2or 3 hundred thousand letters sent back, it would take some sorting of those.

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thinker - 24-Aug-11 08:48 

this from the justice of the peace (magistrates) blog
and can be seen online
Earlier this year on 9th April I discussed the organisation which is responsible for funding the BBC; TV Licensing. This organisation is also responsible for prosecuting those who watch TV in contravention of the law by not having a license. This body has the full trappings of a prosecuting authority with its own fines department, courts listing department and of course its own prosecuters. It also has its own publication department which sends to interested parties three or four times a year "In Brief" with information of interest.

This newsletter is sent out to all magistrates who are members of the Magistrates` Association. I have copied the current edition`s four pages at the end of this post. Roughly 10% of JPs choose not to join the Association. I would presume the Association receives a fee for this although I stand to be corrected on this assumption. TV Licensing is but one of many prosecuting bodies which use the magistrates` courts system to enforce their regulations. For those unaware, using a TV without a license is a criminal offence. It is also a criminal offence eg to be a ticket tout or to ill treat an animal or to contravene planning regulations. The organisations responsible for bringing prosecutions on those matters do not send regular information to magistrates. I question why TV Licensing does so. Is it to inform magistrates who adjudicate on such cases or to subtly influence them in general? If the latter I can assure them that they have failed totally. Indeed most of my colleagues on my bench would happily see TV license evasion be de-criminalised and tried as a civil matter.

Whilst the BBC is a nationalised business the requirement that using the service without a license is a criminal offence is arbitrary. It is time for change.

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thinker - 23-Aug-11 18:20 

More Fraud
A tv licence evasion investigator has been found guilty of forging customer signatures to obtain bonus payments.

Richard John Llewellyn, 50, of Limeslade Close, Fairwater, Cardiff, stood trial accused of making up interviews with customers so he could get a bonus through completing doorstep forms.

Llewellyn visited the addresses of people suspected of not having a television licence and took statements from them if they admitted to evading the fee.

Cardiff Crown Court was told the statement - dubbed a code eight - could lead to possible prosecutions and formed the basis of a staff bonus scheme.

Officers had to complete 38 code eights per week to be eligible for a bonus and the biggest monthly bonus received was £716.

Llewellyn, who earned a basic salary of £11,000, completed the code eights and signed them on behalf of four people, in order to trigger the bonus payments.

The four people later complained when they were summonsed to court for TV licence dodging.

Llewellyn denied four charges of false accounting and one of acts which could have perverted the course of justice.

However, the jury of five men and seven women found him guilty of all five counts.

Four customers were called before the court, who all said their first names and dates of birth were wrong.

They claimed their signatures were forged on completed 'interview' forms.

They also claimed they had never spoken to Llewellyn.

Llewellyn denied making the statements up, claiming to the jury that they were 'real interviews'.

Mr Justice Elias sentenced Llewellyn to a 180-hour community punishment order and ordered him to pay £500 in prosecution costs.

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thinker - 23-Aug-11 10:48 

Fraudulent Practice
TWO Sidcup residents received court summonses for not having a television licence, when one did not even own a television, a court has heard.

Father-of-four Oluwagbenga Olaniyan, aged 45, of Oak Road, Gravesend, made up interviews with the Sidcup residents, because he feared losing his job, Maidstone Crown Court was told.

Olaniyan was working as a TV licence investigator and was given a target of tracking down one licence dodger an hour during his 37-hour working week.

Those who did not reach their targets were in danger of losing their £16,000-a-year jobs.

As a result, in 2005, Olaniyan fabricated four interviews, two with people in Sidcup and two in Gravesend.

The first they knew was when they received the summonses with a copy of their “interview”.

If Olaniyan’s activities had not been discovered, they could have faced fines of £1,000.

Olaniyan pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice and four charges of false accounting. He was given a 40-week jail sentence, suspended for two years, and ordered to do 200 hours of unpaid work.

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thinker - 23-Aug-11 10:45 

i have been reading about tvl people entering premises and starting to inspect tv sets.
they have been known to try to tune in tvs to broadcasting stations.
if the householder has no aerial attached to the tv and the tv is not tuned into any broadcasting stations, then according to Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003,this type of action is illegal by the tvl people and they are breaking the law as they can be seen to install the tv set, but only if the owner has taken every precaution to ensure that the set cannot receive broadcast stations. this is law by ofcom, please read the following for guidance, Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003

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thinker - 23-Aug-11 08:50 

some years ago in England, a young woman had closed the curtains in her house, and removed her top so as not to get it wet when she was bathing her young child, who was in a plastic bath, and was unclothed.
one of the tvl inspectors, decided he needed to peep through the small gap in the curtains and seen the woman and her small child not properly clothed, the woman found out what had happened, and quickly took a case against tvl, on the peeping tom law also known as voyeurism and won her case, this was widely published in the newspapers at the time, and resulted in the tvl agent losing his job and i am sure compensation as well

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thinker - 22-Aug-11 08:58 

as some tvl employees enter private property, and peep through your windows, and also have been known to get access to back gardens, especially if children are present, either in the house in the living room or playing in the back garden, and that these employees are not forthcoming in their identification, one would assume that they are there for purposes to spy on the children, and in this day and age, where there are undiscovered evil people, one could think the worst scenario. tvl employees should be able to produce identity and the fact they have been assessed by the proper authorities, as leaving the scene without identifying themselves, they could be seen as suspicious characters

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thinker - 21-Aug-11 16:36 

article 8 on human rights should cover many problems caused by tvl
Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
further more, intimidation and harassment, here is some info on it.
Proving harassment to secure a conviction

To obtain a conviction for criminal harassment, the prosecution needs to prove beyond all reasonable doubt, three elements:

the defendant has pursued a course of conduct
the course of conduct amounted to harassment of another person
the defendant knew or ought to have known that the course of conduct amounted to harassment.
I would look up nervous shock as in English law, and also get advice on it as well there are many good lawyers who could help.

Harassment is defined as causing alarm or causing distress, and a course of conduct which can include speech must involve conduct on at least 2 occasions. The incidents do not have to involve the same type of behaviour on both occasions.

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thinker - 21-Aug-11 16:21 

reading the comments below, and considering that there are children in most houses, should these people be let onto property where there are children, without having proper background checks, the reason I say this, is because it seems that many of these tvl employees have questionable characters, I say this because of the tactics many of them use to obtain info about households, something to think about!

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thinker - 19-Aug-11 21:36 

i found out what bbc means: bully boys company

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Thomas - 19-Aug-11 21:23 

i thought that only the police could obtain a search warrant for any premises, in the case of crimes. As tvl is a private company that employees members of the public, i would have thought that judges would have more sense that to sign warrants for members of the public to enter your house to find out if you are watching tv.
If tvl can prove that you are watching without a license then should they not make a complaint to the local police and provide proof that you are watching tv or stealing their tv signals from the airwaves.
ps only a license is needed for watching or recording tv, tvls own statement on their website for all to see

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Thomas - 19-Aug-11 06:44 

pay no attention to any letter from thses parasites ,you have no oblogation whatsoever to respond to any communication from tvl(TM) tvl is the BBC in a guise to distance themselfs from the vexatious letters that are sent out in thier hundreds of thousands weekly .but make no mistake benign old auntie beeb is the force behond the threats. visit . .http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/forum/index.php

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taysider - 29-Jun-11 20:01 

Equipe52,
operating under the name,
Team 365,
80 London Trading Estate,
Roding Road,
Becton,
London E6 6LS.

Equipe52, Ltd.
Office address,
C/o. London Registrars, Plc.
4th floor,
Haines House,
21 John Street,
London WC1N 2BP
I understand the above companies are responsible for the delivery of the mail sent out by TV Licensing. I obtained the information from a letter sent out by an employee of TV Licensing and by checking information on the internet. I don’t have a television. It’s not worth the license fee, there is too much rubbish on whatever channel is selected. The objects still send me their love letters each month; I have refused to reply because of the vile and implied threats contained within them. Team 365 also is a base for TV Licensing "Officers."

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alvin - 24-May-11 17:16 

I refuse to spend my money on telephone messages to TV.licencing the last time I rang it cost me 87p.and still the letters keep coming.If they want us the honest public, to do their job use a 0800 number for us to use.

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Ensor - 25-Mar-11 13:06 

I pay my tv license by direct debit. I am still receiving threatening letters accusing me of evading Payment. I am on benefits and have enough stress with keeping my head above water financially. I am disgusted and angry.

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Linda - 15-Mar-11 20:22 

Im the pensioner that the TVL won't leave alone. I have not watched TV for five years and they constantly bombard me with threatening notifications of imminent home visits, fines, court etc. Heaven help us if Hoover or Bosch started to harass us to this extreme if we didn't have one of their washing machines etc. They really upset me and give me heart palpitations. I nearly bought a license just to keep them away. Its blackmail.

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Ettaariane - 24-Feb-11 00:03 

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