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People expect cyclists to bend over backwards

I cycle around town and country for recreation and commuting.  It is faster, more reliable and/or less faff than the alternatives, but I am tired of getting a bad rap.  I respect other path/road users where it matters, but I do not like to waste my time and pedalling effort for no good reason.

Why should the law make me stop for red lights?  Obviously if the junction is occupied because it is the turn of other traffic or pedestrians then fair enough, but otherwise it's stupid.  Why should I sit like a lemon at an empty junction while traffic builds up behind me, waiting to squash me in the free-for-all when it goes green?  All concerned are better off if I am already out of the way!  Also numerous non-UK places permit inside-turn-on-red, giving way to other vehicles and pedestrians of course. It is even easier for a cyclist than a car to nip left.  I get honked but the car drivers are cross because they are stuck waiting, not because I am actually causing them or anyone else any inconvenience.  So it is a daft law and I am pleased that the police cannot ever be bothered to punish me in any terribly onerous way.

Cyclists, car drivers and pedestrians

Also pedestrians whine about being "nearly killed" on cycle/footpaths when all that has happened is that a cyclist (me) has gone past at a perfectly safe, stoppable speed, but the pedestrian jumped out of their skin because I have "appeared out of nowhere" (i.e. they weren't paying attention and ignored the ringing and clicking sounds of my approach).  Is it really too much to ask that people are aware of what is going on around them?  I have to keep a look out for cars on a road or I'd get squashed, why shouldn't they keep a look out for cycles on a cycle path?  When there is a whole gaggle of them, or a pair of pushchairs, or a dog on a lethal extendable lead, it would be no harder for them to keep to one side of our nice three-metre-wide purpose-built path and routinely leave a bicycle-sized gap than it is to block the entire width, and then they wouldn't have to be coaxed out of the way in the first place.  Even on the bits which have a big picture of a BICYCLE on one side and a PEDESTRIAN on the other, they still walk wherever and tut at me.  I am usually nice about it, slow down, say thank you, but they are a pain.  To keep myself harmlessly amused I have a mental fantasy in which my bicycle is equipped with heat-seeking Sidewinder missiles which home in on dogs' rears from fifty yards back, and imagine their looks of canine surprise at the moment of impact.

And neither pedestrians nor car drivers like it when I cycle over a pedestrian crossing.  Why not?  What possible difference can it make whether I am pushing my bike or sitting on it, except that the former is less convenient for me?  As far as I am concerned if I am going slower than 5 mph then I am a pedestrian and if faster then I am a vehicle.  A wheelchair is more of an obstacle than I am!  All I want to do is cross the road to turn right, I wouldn't have to use the lights at all if there weren't cars zooming past ignoring my "please let me into the middle" hand signal (and then, sometimes, turning sharply left having "forgotten" that I am there).

I think that being a cyclist has made me a more alert and considerate driver and pedestrian and I don't value anyone's opinion about cyclists unless (a) they are both a cyclist AND a driver/pedestrian, or (b) the cyclist they are whining about has actually done something which violates safety or common sense rather than just broken some rule designed for a ton of high speed killer metal, not a bike.

By: Grumbleweed

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Not all cyclists cycle like idiots. I am a keen cyclist and i NEVER run a red light. Nor do I cycle across pedestrian crossings (except Toucan crossings) or ride on the pavement (except designated cycle paths). And I always try to get out of the way of other motorists. So please don't tar us all with the same brush! We're not all bad (or crazy).

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raging kiwi - 24-Dec-11 21:32 

Commuter cyclists have turned what used to be a nice stroll for local families into a stressful and dangerous obstacle course. The towpaths are well used in London and very narrow in most places. They aren't suitable for cyclists.

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Chris 2 - 20-Nov-11 17:40 

Cyclists, they scare me. They have to banned. I used to walk along the Regent's Park Canal towpath a lot before. Not anymore. It's been turned into a race track for cyclists. They come up at 25 to 30 mph behind you without warning. Once I was nearly shoved into the canal by one of them. They are so dangerous. They must be banned from this towpath. This is a public foothpath for those who walk on 4 legs or 2, not wheels.

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Stop 'em using the towpath - 20-Nov-11 06:42 

Yes cyclists that ride along the road are so irresponsible. And those that ride along the pavement too.

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Fred E - 11-Nov-11 01:17 

Cyclists who ride along the north circular road which in parts is a 50 mph highway are simply asking to get killed. Cyclists are so irresponsible. Many jump lights. Many ignore pedestrians. Many cyclist are simply plain selfish b'tards.

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Cyclists - I hate them - 11-Nov-11 01:08 

Just in case I hadn't made my myself clear. Any vehicle that emits less than 100g CO2/km pays an excise duty of £0.00. Therefore cyclists pay the correct excise duty for their vehicle. You could register them all, but the excise duty paid would then be £0.00

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Fred E - 11-Nov-11 00:46 

"In 2009 a consultation document from the Scottish Government raised the possibility of a road tax on all road users including cyclists, but there was a strong consensus against this". Fred D - are you an idiot or just a dirty liar who will say anything to win an argument? what does it matter anyway - you're a cyclist!

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Jones - 9-Nov-11 13:54 

Thanks for the 'education' Fred. Push bikes don't have emissions so if what you say is true, which I doubt it is, then cyclists are complete mugs as well as bell-ends. So an eduation for you - car users pay Vehicle Excise Duty, commonly known, mistakenly, as road tax. Obviously being VEHICLE tax it does not apply to cyclists. The majority of this, the government uses to maintain Britain's public roads....... Hence why car/motorbike/lorry and every other motor vehicle users have WAY MORE right of way when they use them..... as far as you saying that you're superior just because you cycle....wow. I have VERY little free time and I spend a great majority of it doing community work- obviously travelling by car means I have more time to spend doing that charity.....and you think you're better than me just because you ommit slightly less pollution than I do? Seriously wow, you are VERY deluded....

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Jones - 9-Nov-11 13:42 

Just to educate Jones - road tax was abolished in 1937. Cyclists pay the same emissions tax as motorists.

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Fred E - 4-Nov-11 17:13 

I think Cyclists are twats Fred E being a perfect example.

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Now then now then - 4-Nov-11 17:10 

With 7 billion poeple on the planet I think people who travel without causing pollution and using up valuable resources are indeed superior.

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Fred E - 4-Nov-11 17:08 

"Just because you don't cause as much pollution during your journey, that in no way makes you special or superior...and if you think you are that just makes you a bit of a d**k"

True. They do cause a fair amount of pollution though if you think about it. There's all that puke-inducing coloured plastic they wrap themselves up in, there's the smell of BO they carry with them, unless they shower on arrival, which of course uses up resources too. It is true that they pollute less than a car, but they have this holier-than-thou attitude that they are singlehandedly saving the planet and everybody else must bow and scrape to them.

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MikeP - 4-Nov-11 15:02 

Cyclists should give way to pedestrians because if they don't they stand to do the pedestrian serious damage - fact. Cyclists come 2nd to motorists because mortorists pay road tax- fact. Any one who disagrees with these statements is an obnoxious, self-rightous, idiot. Jst because you don't cause as much pollution during your journey, that in no way makes you special or superior...and if you think you are that just makes you a bit of a d**k

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Jones - 4-Nov-11 13:41 

If by cycle path you mean a painted one on a pavement then pedestrians have a right to walk on it, if you mean a physically segregated one or a lane in the road then the don't have that right and should not be there.

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Sally - 4-Nov-11 13:13 

How many people have actually seen a cyclist obeying the law?? They think the laws of the road dont apply to them , most are not trained , there is no requirement to have to pass a test or have a licence , very few have insurance yet they constantly give out with their demands , you only have to look in any town and see cyclists ignoring traffic lights , riding the wrong way up one way streets . Go out on the main highways and they are even allowed to hold races on them , expecting drivers to give way to them and holding up other traffic , drivers who have paid vast sums in road tax and fuel taxes.
Do vehicle drivers think they own the road ? Da,m right they do , they have paid for them , just how much do cyclists pay for using the road ? Nothing

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OldTimer - 2-Nov-11 12:58 

"And you call me rigid! You just won't admit that there is a problem."

What a load of rubbish! I've always said it is a problem, just not a big one.

It may come as a shock to you but I am also a pedestrian! I frequently walk on footpaths. I cannot remember ever having an issue with a cyclist on them. I can recount multiple incidents of pedestrians being in my way on a cycle path. They're dangerous being there. They seriously compromise my safety as if I am knocked from my cycle at speed by a 'reckless moron' that has transgressed into my territory I could be seriously hurt. Should we not start a campaign about these idiots!

And yes, I'll call you 'dear' as long as you continue to prattle on like an old woman!

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Freddie - 2-Nov-11 12:32 

I guess if you want to get young people cycling on the road you have to train them. I am a keen cyclist but I wouldn't feel happy to take a group of teengaers out cycling on the road. I couldn't assure their safety. I will only rarely take my own kids out on the road - if I know exactly the route. By contrast I have happily taken them all over Holland from city to city. It would be interesting if you sent a letter home from a High School to parents asking if they would like to have their children taken out say cycling in Central London with the proviso that the teachers couldn't assure the safety of the children. How many parents would agree? Nobody could teach the children safe pavement cycling as it isn't legal so I guess the current crop of 'feral' cyclists just get a bike and teach themselves.
The only other solution would be to turn playgrounds into road layouts where you could teach children in safety. I can't imagine the current government funding such an initiative.

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Fred E - 1-Nov-11 23:40 

Freddie, try not to use meaningless phrases, dear. Do you usually call other mean dear by the way?

No, it isn't always the end of the world. Dipping someone's pocket is not the end of the world either is it? Does that mean it is all right?

Pickpocketing is different you are thinking because someone has their money stolen. Feral cyclists ( thank you Chris2 for that) steal many people's sense of security when they are out and this cyclist stole Terry Pace's health and ability to walk.

Over the years there have been many comments and accounts just on this site, let alone all the newspaper articles and letters, from people who have been hit and injured by feral cyclists. You won't admit that the behaviour of a growing minority of cyclists has changed for the worse as no one is doing anything about it so they realise they can do whatever they like as long as they don't actually kill anyone.

And you call me rigid! You just won't admit that there is a problem. I believe that you are in a minority.

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Fed up Pedestrian - 1-Nov-11 22:08 

If he was left paralysed by a cyclist then the cyclist deserves all that will come his way. Nobody can deny that but occassional use of a footpath for safety of the cyclist is not the end of the world either.
And yes, I do believe Ian Tomlinson put himself in that position. It was unfortunate that he died and he didn't deserve to but I personally believe he was fully aware of what he was doing at the time. Regardless of which this is a cycling thread and not one about drunks.
You are rigid because you see rules as eing absolutes, regardless of circumstances. They're not, and you're wrong to think otherwise.

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Freddie - 1-Nov-11 21:46 

Any comment on the man left paralysed by the cyclist Fred? After all it isn't a big problem is it?

Please don't quote me figures of what car drivers do as this is about cyclists and not motorists. For the record if a car driver had done this and not stopped I would feel exactly the same way as I do about this thug cyclist.

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Fed up Pedestrian - 1-Nov-11 20:48 

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