People expect cyclists to bend over backwards
02-September-2010
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I cycle around town and country for recreation and commuting.  It is faster, more reliable and/or less faff than the alternatives, but I am tired of getting a bad rap.  I respect other path/road users where it matters, but I do not like to waste my time and pedalling effort for no good reason.

Why should the law make me stop for red lights?  Obviously if the junction is occupied because it is the turn of other traffic or pedestrians then fair enough, but otherwise it's stupid.  Why should I sit like a lemon at an empty junction while traffic builds up behind me, waiting to squash me in the free-for-all when it goes green?  All concerned are better off if I am already out of the way!  Also numerous non-UK places permit inside-turn-on-red, giving way to other vehicles and pedestrians of course. It is even easier for a cyclist than a car to nip left.  I get honked but the car drivers are cross because they are stuck waiting, not because I am actually causing them or anyone else any inconvenience.  So it is a daft law and I am pleased that the police cannot ever be bothered to punish me in any terribly onerous way.

Cyclists, car drivers and pedestrians

Also pedestrians whine about being "nearly killed" on cycle/footpaths when all that has happened is that a cyclist (me) has gone past at a perfectly safe, stoppable speed, but the pedestrian jumped out of their skin because I have "appeared out of nowhere" (i.e. they weren't paying attention and ignored the ringing and clicking sounds of my approach).  Is it really too much to ask that people are aware of what is going on around them?  I have to keep a look out for cars on a road or I'd get squashed, why shouldn't they keep a look out for cycles on a cycle path?  When there is a whole gaggle of them, or a pair of pushchairs, or a dog on a lethal extendable lead, it would be no harder for them to keep to one side of our nice three-metre-wide purpose-built path and routinely leave a bicycle-sized gap than it is to block the entire width, and then they wouldn't have to be coaxed out of the way in the first place.  Even on the bits which have a big picture of a BICYCLE on one side and a PEDESTRIAN on the other, they still walk wherever and tut at me.  I am usually nice about it, slow down, say thank you, but they are a pain.  To keep myself harmlessly amused I have a mental fantasy in which my bicycle is equipped with heat-seeking Sidewinder missiles which home in on dogs' rears from fifty yards back, and imagine their looks of canine surprise at the moment of impact.

And neither pedestrians nor car drivers like it when I cycle over a pedestrian crossing.  Why not?  What possible difference can it make whether I am pushing my bike or sitting on it, except that the former is less convenient for me?  As far as I am concerned if I am going slower than 5 mph then I am a pedestrian and if faster then I am a vehicle.  A wheelchair is more of an obstacle than I am!  All I want to do is cross the road to turn right, I wouldn't have to use the lights at all if there weren't cars zooming past ignoring my "please let me into the middle" hand signal (and then, sometimes, turning sharply left having "forgotten" that I am there).

I think that being a cyclist has made me a more alert and considerate driver and pedestrian and I don't value anyone's opinion about cyclists unless (a) they are both a cyclist AND a driver/pedestrian, or (b) the cyclist they are whining about has actually done something which violates safety or common sense rather than just broken some rule designed for a ton of high speed killer metal, not a bike.

By: Grumbleweed


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Grumbleweed complains about pedestrians wandering over to "his" side of a shared pavement.

Most cyclists don't seem to realise that when a pavement is shared or has a cycle path painted on to it, it is a "permissive" cycle path which means that cyclists do not have a right to use it as they have a right to cycle in the road - they have merely been given permission.

Right of way stil belongs to pedestrians who have the right to walk on all parts of the pavement , including any painted cycle path. The painted line tells cyclists that they may, for the time being as it can be removed at any time, cycle within the lines. It is there to tell them where they may cycle, not to tell pedestrians where they may not walk.
*Pedestrian Pat  31-Aug-2010 22:00

 
The article posted by Grumbleweed illustrates the impunity that some cyclists think they have from the law, decency and common sense.
Why should I obey traffic lights? Why can't I ride over pedestrian crossings/
Why is because it is against the law which applies to all and not just to others.
The stupid arrogance of this article's writer seems to be a prerequisite to some of the cycling fraternity, encouraged by a complete lack of observable identity whilst imposing their views on others.
*magdaw  31-Aug-2010 16:06

 
Used to be a cyclist

SOME car drivers do the things you say, most don't but at least they are in the road where they are meant to be.

Cyclists do similar things to pedestrians and they do them on the pavement where they definitely should not be.

Perhaps you think I should have emphasised SOME cyclists? However, in London , and many other places, there are now more cyclists on the pavement than in the road.
*Terri S  25-Jul-2010 16:32

 
I have a particularly unusual bike which I have learned which frightens horses very badly. On the occasions when I encounter horses, I stop and dismount if required. It doesn't seem to matter whether I approach from the front or behind.
If I were to ride past a horse on that bike, even slowly, I know there's a fair chance it would rear-up and possibly unseat the rider. So I am particularly careful around horses with that bike. I have never noticed any problem with my other 'standard' bikes.
*Used to be Cyclist  24-Jul-2010 17:34

 
For some reason the link to the YouTube video didn't work when posted. It worked before posting, but the link failed after posting!

Google: YouTube Illusion of Superiority
*Used to be Cyclist  24-Jul-2010 17:23

 
MikeP,
"If you selfish oafs occupy an entire carriageway by riding three or four abreast, as is often the case, then you lose your right to courtesy and respect from motorists, and you don't leave much alternative for motorists."

I have never seen cyclists "riding three or four abreast" on a public road open to traffic. But that doesn't mean it never happens and if it happens it's wrong unless it's during a special event with police presence. But in my experience, it is unusual to see cyclists riding even two abreast, which is permitted.

I see a lot of motorists doing things that are illegal and dangerously so. Talking on their hand-held phones while driving; speeding; jumping red lights; driving on the pavement (yes!); following dangerously close; undertaking; driving the wrong way on one-way streets; overtaking dangerously; driving at night without lights; driving dangerously close to cyclists at speed; harassing cyclists. In-fact I see some kind of dangerous driving by motorists virtually everyday.

Using your kind of bizarre logic, all motorists are therefore guilty – which is ludicrous. What is needed is effective traffic law enforcement. These individuals deserve to be caught and prosecuted.

You have demonstrated by your flawed logic that your opinions are foolish in the extreme and are to be ignored. Are you a Daily Fail reader? You seem to echo that kind of fact-free self opinionated drivel.

The Dunning-Kruger Effect video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y
*Used to be Cyclist  24-Jul-2010 17:17

 
Yes, big brave man. And you might end up with a criminal record, if you don't already have one. Clearly you can't fight with your brain, so it only leaves you to resort to physical violence. I don't fight with children, so drop the subject.
*MikeP  26-Apr-2010 14:59

 
Can I request in the nicest possible way, that all cyclists upon approaching a Horse from the rear (sounds rude) please please either sound your bell or shout "Bike approaching" just to let the rider know that you are there. A cyclist overtook me at some speed the other day and my Horse spooked nearly throwing me into oncoming traffic, the cyclist was totally oblivious, not saying it was his fault, but it does help me and the Horse. Thanks :-)
*Rider of the Apocalypse  26-Apr-2010 14:42

 
"Try me and then pass comment."
Well, you might do it......once
*Cyclepath  26-Apr-2010 14:31

 
"you wouldn't dare pick me up on my speech down the pub"

No? How do you know? Try me and then pass comment.
*MikeP  26-Apr-2010 08:51

 
Well u are as bad as me then 'coz' I didn't say you injured a cyclist. And you wouldn't dare pick me up on my speech down the pub, so why are you doing it here?
*Cyclepath  26-Apr-2010 08:38

 
Where did I say I inujred a cyclist? Maybe you should learn to read as well as to write, 'coz' nobody with a modicum of intelligence is going to take you seriously until you do so.
*MikeP  26-Apr-2010 08:26


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