Fair use policy, no thanks
12-May-2008
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What's with this fair use policy anyway?  I've just received an email today from my ISP advising me that they would be making some changes to my existing broadband service. Is fair usage really fair?  They're "helping to ensure that all our customers get the most from our broadband service" apparently.  I am on their "unlimited" ADSL broadband option by the way and the specific wording for the fair use policy reads a bit like this.

"Monitoring and Performance: With your permission, we may monitor communications, including without limitation, any content or material transmitted over the Service.  We reserve the right (at our sole discretion) to monitor and control data volume and/or types of traffic transmitted via your Broadband Service.  In the event that your use of the Broadband Service (i) risks degradation of service levels to other customers, (ii) puts our system at risk, (iii) is not in keeping with that reasonably expected of a residential customer and/or (iv) does not comply with these Terms and Conditions (including the Acceptable Use Policy), we reserve the right (at our sole discretion) to reduce, suspend or terminate your Broadband Service and/or restrict certain types of traffic on your Broadband Service."

Fair usage policy - is your ISP being fair?

Well for starters they don't have my permission.  Then "In the event that your use of the Broadband Service (i) risks degradation of service levels to other customers" basically means 'if you use the Internet' because all use of the Internet will cause some level of degradation to the service for others, especially if the overall allocation available is not sufficient to be able to provide 'unlimited' Internet as advertised.

They reserve the right without any reference to your disputation to either slow you down or charge you more.  You don't have any say in this matter.  Is this Fair Use Policy really a fair contract or is it not just a bit one sided?

In practise it remains to be seen how stringently they exercise what they consider to be new levels of authority to do whatever they hell they please, but the wording of the fair use policy strikes me as sloppy and self-interested.

I've always found my ISP to be one of the best when it comes to fair use, but when you have up to 8MB speed it does realistically mean that that if you as a residential user albeit one who has been using the Internet for a long time and therefore know your way around (and what is available) choose to download Linux DVD distributions, lossless music, watch Youtube videos all day, upload a few months photos onto Photobucket, or listen to Internet radio whilst downloading an old TV series from Usenet (even *without* looking at what people do with peer to peer stuff) then you could quite possibly be processing a lot of data very quickly.  At that sort of speed downloading a DVD's worth of data doesn't take very long at all, you could download several in a day if you were of a mind to.

Current 'guidelines' for a fair use of the Internet for residential customers in my opinion very unrealistic and prejudiced in favour of the ISP's.

Perhaps it's time for few legal cases I think.  We could do with a bit less Richard Branson these days and maybe a bit more Robin Hood!  Somebody who takes from the rich to give decent Internet service to the poor instead of ripping off the poor to make the rich richer.


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As squidgy says, "until official bodies (OFCOM, Trading Standards, Advertising Standards) take some action, ISP's will do what they like... simply because they can."


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Toucansurf > similar problems and bad service.


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*cactiphile  20-Nov-2007 15:43

 
Jimmy, get of you're head and stand up straight man!
*Memo  11-Sep-2007 02:09

 
why do they list the comments from the down up???? thats just thick in my opinion
*Jimmy Wyld  11-Sep-2007 00:19

 
They should not be allowed to call it unlimited, this is false advertising.
Pretty soon someone is gonna take it to court and they wont be allowed to do it any more.
Trouble is most people who are being limited are downloading illegal stuff so obviously can't take them to court over it.
Someone doing it legit needs to do it!
*Creep  14-Aug-2007 13:21

 
I absolutely agree with Chris. I rang OFCOM to complain about PlusNet last year. The guy on the other end of the phone sounded was working for PlusNet. OFCOM is a waste of time and space.
*Andy  14-Aug-2007 08:35

 
You are wrong about OFCOM. I had assumed as the regulator for Telecoms that they would be "on the side of the consumer." I had assumed they would be able to take consumer complaints about a poor service to that service provider to see if indeed poor service was being provided and then force the service provider to get their act together.

To my horror this is complete rubbish. I found out by looking at the OFCOM website that they do NOT do consumer complaints. In fact their entire being is completely pointless in that respect. The Regulator is on the side of the telecom companies, in effect. Regulation is a complete joke and so are the government for setting things up like this. Only Trading Standards have the power to improve service provision.
*Chris  02-Aug-2007 08:53

 
If everyone stopped downloading/uploading copyright material eg illeagal copies of films/music and software this would release more than enough bandwidth for everyone
*GazzaT  25-Jul-2007 14:09

 
The nation could have had broadband years ago, and free and cheaply as part of the telephone service.

I do agree that ISPs who sell Broadband as unlimited are proably nothing more than liars. If any question arises about the meaning of "unlimited", take them to the local trading standards office, on a breach of contract.

"Unlimited" means unlimited. Fair Use is completely meaningless.
*Words  21-Jul-2007 08:19

 
I switched from PlusNet to Sky after PlusNet introduced their unfair usage policy (whilst at the same time their quality of service and support went into a downward spiral). PlusNet would let me download as much as I wanted between midnight and 8AM (when I'm asleep) but outside those hours, I think 12GB a month was the magic number I was paying £23 a month for.

Sky's policy is actually pretty decent. They don't have a published limit on their unlimited plan, but one support techie told me they wouldn't even think about contacting you unless you were regularly hitting 200GB a month. Now, I think that's a realistic fair usage policy. If you're hitting 200GB a month regularly, you're doing something wrong. I've hit 130GB in a month before once, when I first got upped from 2MB to 8MB went on a rampage of downloading whole series of TV shows, linux distros, gigabyte game demos on XBox Live and so on. Trouble is, Sky's network is diabolical. My router loses it's connection 10 times a day, and Sky can't work out why.

I don't mind a download limit, just as long as it's a sensible one. What I want is a company with a reliable network and technically competent support staff. I'd be willing to pay about three or four times the amount I pay for sky (£10/month) for this, so important is my Internet connection to me. be* broadband is looking pretty attractive but with FUPs, the real limits on unlimited plans are anyone's guess and I don't fancy taking a blind guess at where to turn next.
*William  20-Jul-2007 20:37

 
Unlimited has one meaning in English.
If the ISP chooses to use that word to sell the service then the ISP should bear the cost.
Though !
*Yorkie Mark  12-Jul-2007 14:12

 
I envy you that you have speeds up to 8mb. I've just moved over to Pipex. Not a good move. Speed is slow, and customer service isn't great! My speed is such that I would never cause degradation to other users - It would take absolutely ages to load a dvd's worth of data.

Generally speaking, I think more of us than not are being ripped off by ISP's. Pipex is just another example, but I think there are far, far worse out there. In my experience, the worse ones are tiscali (very bad) and BT Broadband (absolutely appalling, particularly customer service - Indian call centre, need I say more?).

'Fair usage policy' seems to be a way of ISP's 'having their cake and eating it'. They charge a top price for 'unlimited use', and then proceed to restrict that use when people want to actually take advantage of it.
*alaneroberts  12-Jul-2007 10:32

 
The truth is that you have to spend more money for more usage of the internet. It is faire to ISP providers.
*Andy  12-Jul-2007 08:31


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