NHS doctors moaning about pay

House officers...newly qualified docs, earn up to 25k.

Senior house officers...1 or 2 years after qualifying earn up to 45k

Registrars, 1 below consultant and with a minimum of 3 years at a job earn up to 70k

Consultants earn over 90k in the NHS, if they decide to become teaching consultants to train HO's and work in a clinic one day a week can earn over 150k.

I'm a support worker and so I'm biased. I earn 13k a year before tax. I would change my job as I'm now a lvl 3 mechanic, but I can't get a job because of experience issues.

I'm not jealous of doctors and I am very good friends with 2 surgical consultants. I just wish that my pitiful wage of 13k could be increased to and stay at maybe 17 - 18k per year. That way I would be able to enjoy my life slightly.

I need injections for foreign travel so contacted my doctors and was advised I needed to fill in a form so that the nurse could contact me. Could they take the details over the phone NO! I phoned them on Monday and asked them what time they closed and was told 6.30pm Monday to Friday. On arriving at 6.00pm they were CLOSED because they were having a PARTY!!!! On closer inspection, below waist level on the door was a scrappy peice of paper saying they would be closed from 1pm. Not for staff training, not for an emergency, not because they were short staffed, in quarantine or had gone bankrupt due to poor service but because they were having a party!! How much do our doctors get paid for this kind of service!!!!?

I work for the NHS and I have to say, a Consultant fixed my arm, it was f****d in three places, and now it works, so yeah, don't be nasty to people that take care of you.

What a wonderfully pointless and miss informed comment MR S Allen. There are far worse places to be sick, we have a life expectancy and standard of life that is the envy of the majority of the world (including the US), this is all despite that people in this country seem to be determined to damage their bodies in ever new and more catastrophic ways. We could offer a far more comprehensive health system at a fraction of the price if the general public threw away their ciggies, left the cork in that second bottle of wine, didnt eat that McDonalds hamburger and occasionally went for a jog.

So if your going to be whingeing about the NHS, you better not be a smoking, sozzled, fatty whinger (I presume you fit under one of these categories, if not I appologise unreservedly).

All nhs hospitals, doctors, surgeons, consultants, = bad news
All therapists, physios, ot's, speech and Lang, psychologists = good news
Advice- don't get sick in Britain.

You also need to remember that doctors have to undertake a number of years further training whillst working as a foundation doctor then registrar before the possibility of a consultants post even rears its head. And in that time, the most junior will rack up over 50 hours a week, which, if you brake it down into an hourly rate, means they earn less than a newly qualified staff nurse, with ( and as a nurse I hate to say this) far more responsibility - so they are not all driving fast cars and playing golf (it takes many years to get to that stage!!).
Some podiatrists and physios (and other allied health professionals) earn more than a senior sister with less responsibility as that is how their banding was worked out in 'agenda for change' pay structure. There could be a whole new gripe on NHS working / pay structure / roles and responsibilites but perhaps this is best left unsaid.

my gripe is that my wife who has been practicing for 6 years sees her compensation from the insurence companies for procedures getting lower and lower and at the same time mapractice insurance goes. beeing a doctor used to be a great career. not anymore. if the gov. wants to socialize medicine then pay for med school.

Actually, I agree with Lostdoc

I'm annoyed at the fuss GPs seem to make about out of hours working though. But you really only appreciate a doctor's skills and the hard, prolonged training they undergo when you realise that your life is literally their hands - and you're unlikely to appreciate that until you are diagnosed with a serious illness and need to undergo surgery or other life-saving treatment. It's not just about pill pushing and thrusting a prescription under your nose. There is nothing more worthy of high pay than that, in my opinion. Even if they doubled their pay, I wouldn't object.

Look, end salary isn't based on how hard you work. If that were the case there are plenty of rich people working terrible, mind-numbing jobs with anti-social and long hours - like factory workers for instance.

Salary is and in my opinion, should, be based upon skills. Doctors spend the best part of a decade polishing a plethora of professional skills. These are far reaching, from basic science, to clinical pathology, examination skills, practical skills, communication skills (try telling a mother their child has died, in a tactful, sensitive yet professional manner), diagnostic skills, prescribing skills, surgical skills etc.. etc.. etc..

Now an auxillary nurse, or a 'biomechanical podiatrist cum physiotherapist' for that matter, may well be incredibly hard working and valuble members of the NHS, but they don't possess a skill set that is as unique, sought after and specialised as that of a doctor.

That is why a doctor is paid more, to put it simply the competition to become a doctor is greater, meaning med schools can be more selective, meaning better quality candidates, they work harder and for longer than almost any other profession and possess abilities that cannot be simply 'picked up' by a purely vocational or foreshortened academic training.

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I disagree. Perhaps you should not have elected to undertake a 'noddy' degree such as podiatry. I don't think that trimming toe nails is particularly important to patient care. As for physiotherapy; it remains difficult to take someone who wears trackies all day awfully seriously.

I agree with 'student nurse', doctors deffinetely deserve what they get paid, they work extrmely hard. I think that the people on here who are moaning are just jealous!