NHS doctors moaning about pay
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My gripe is really with all doctors in the NHS who are constantly complaining that they are not being paid enough. I have trained as Biomechanical Podiatrist and also spent my hard earn money to train for a second degree as a Physiotherapist. At the moment in my PCT Doctors are complaining that they are not getting enough money for their service and also that waiting lists are too long. |
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I think I have found the solution and it revolves around the fact that there are two sections to the NHS, the Diagnosis and Rehabilitation sector. The reason the Diagnosis' queues are so long is the fact that we on the Rehabilitation side have not enough resources to make the patients become independent again. This means we can't free up space to help reduce the diagnosis queue. Due to the lack of funding, we as a sector have to keep patients on the "Doctors Books". This basically means what should have been a 3 month rehabilitation period ends up taking 9 months because of the lack of equipment and money available to us. Meanwhile the doctors feel that it's okay to moan, presumably because they haven’t got enough money to fill their Land Rovers and BMW's! |
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Why don’t we stop giving the Doctors money every time they moan and give it the people in the rehabilitation sector who actually interact with the patients, get to understand them give them the power to enter society again? Does anyone else out there feel the same? |
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Agree about more funding for rehab but disagree all you said about doctors. You clearly don't know what a hospital doctor does and earns for.
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It's easy to see what's going to come next. Smokers are going to be denied treatment because their ailments are self-inflicted. After that, drinkers. Then motorcyclists will be barred from A&E because everyone knows they're reckless. And if you have a car accident, the ambulance won't come because everyone knows motorists are all idiots. And why restrict this new world order to medicine? How about the police refusing to arrest criminals because they're too naughty? Or the Fire Brigade refusing to turn out to anyone with a thatched roof? Or teachers refusing to teach children who are too ignorant? These bloody know-alls need to be reminded that they are paid by the public to provide treatment to those who need it, not to make moral judgements - though of course this isn't really a moral judgement, just an underhand device to help them out of the financial hole they've dug for themselves.
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Until you go to medical school and truely understand how much doctors have to sacrifice to get where they are, you have no right to say anything about their pay. The MAJORITY of doctors DONT get paid enough.
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"Medicine requires intelligence"? Certainly but the way you have phrased this makes it appear that it is the sole degree which requires this trait. Unless you lack this particular virtue you should know this isn't the case. I came out of school with 4 A grades (not counting General Studies also at A grade) at A-level with practically full marks in each subject, Biology Chemistry Maths and Religious Studies. I also hold distinctions in the Advanced Extension Awards (AEA) for all of these subjects. I am, though it pains me to sound so arrogant, far more intelligent than 95%+ of the would be medics, and as tested by Warwick University and corroborated by UCL I have an IQ somewhere between 168-175 putting me well within the genius range. Yet I struggled with a Medicinal Chemistry (drug design) eventually gaining a first, being the first person to do so in over 15 years, and my masters and PhD were no joke either. So please dear physician don't be so quick to assume yours is the only course that is intellectually demanding, also bear in mind that it is only because of the work of myself and my colleagues that you are able to actually cure/prevent disease for we are the ones working in the background making the medicines, Medicine which you have so arrogantly claimed as the name for your course, when more appropriate terms such as mammalian mechanics or diagnostics should apply.
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Please as an FY1 doctors earn a basic salary of around 23k and then rant on about how low this, what we don't tell you is practically all of us qualify for the 50% increase, or if not then some increase between 20 and 50%. This is in our first year. The salary increases year on year for all intents and purposes till one can be earning a basic salary of around 100k in a hospital, again potentially 50% more. So yes we are paid a lot, perhaps too much, but what annoys me more is when other doctors try to cover this up such as anon a few comments ago. As doctors we are paid a lot but what much of the gripe is about is that we constantly hide what we are earning, such as with the supplement scheme, this is something I cannot condone but it is unfortunately this system I work in.
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I agree with your comments but not fully.The PCT doctors in my opinion are overpayed and underworked. It is however , the other way round for hospital doctors and nurses.I however entirely agree that rehabilitation medicine should be better funded by the government but this does not neccessarily mean increasing staff wages.
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hatever next? Policemen complaining about crime? ? teachers complaining about the stupidity and ignorance of their pupils? ? traffic-planners complaining because we all keep using their roads? ? It strikes me that we have quite a lot of British soldiers out in Iraq at the moment. I haven't heard any of them contacting the press to say that they're "fed up" with being shot at.
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So doctors are complaining because they're having to treat so many people who have had accidents on their trampolines. They describe the accidents as "preventable", and say they're "fed up" with them. No doubt our all-knowing government will soon be bringing in legislation to prevent us from buying the kids a trampoline unless we've done a six-week training-course first - for which we will have to pay, of course. Dear doctors, it seems to me (being a simple soul, and unreasonably attached to old-fashioned things like logic and common-sense) that virtually allaccidents are preventable. That's why they're called "accidents". It also seems to me, dear doctors, that it's your jobto treat people who have had accidents. That's what you're for. That's why hospitals have departments called "A&E" - it stands for "accident and emergency". It's a bit rich, isn't it, to complain about having to do your own job?
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Why is it whenever Igo to the docs they fob me off. Spent 7 years with eroding cartilage in my knee- my doc told me it was growing pains. Doubled over in agony due to random tummy cramp- given pain killers and told to go away. Turns out I had a miscarriage. Cheers.
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As a healthcare worker you should repsect the skills and expertise of your team members. Doctors are highly ski11ed, highly educated individuals and their pay reflects that. But let's not forget, that even after 20 years of working as a Consultant you might only just be breaking the £100,000 barrier - it's certainly not a money making scheme for somebody who could have worked in a far more lucrative field.
Junior doctors come out of university with around £40,000 worth of debt and a basic salary of £21,000. Their training never stops and compulsory exams cost hundreds of pounds a pop. Long days (and nights) as well as anti-social shifts are hardly a thing of the past and there is a huge weight of responsibility on their shoulders. And at Consultant level, the responsibility is incredible.
Doctors work hard for their wage and are paid appropriately at the highest level, but certainly not indulgently. So no, I don't feel the same. And from the looks of things neither do many other people. But don't just take that from me, why don't you come to work with me and ask my patients if they don't appreciate how hard I, and in fact all our team, work for them everyday?
Junior doctors come out of university with around £40,000 worth of debt and a basic salary of £21,000. Their training never stops and compulsory exams cost hundreds of pounds a pop. Long days (and nights) as well as anti-social shifts are hardly a thing of the past and there is a huge weight of responsibility on their shoulders. And at Consultant level, the responsibility is incredible.
Doctors work hard for their wage and are paid appropriately at the highest level, but certainly not indulgently. So no, I don't feel the same. And from the looks of things neither do many other people. But don't just take that from me, why don't you come to work with me and ask my patients if they don't appreciate how hard I, and in fact all our team, work for them everyday?
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If you wanted better pay and a better job, you should have become a doctor and not a podiatrist.
Oh whoops. Medicine requires intelligence.
Stick to podiatry.
Oh whoops. Medicine requires intelligence.
Stick to podiatry.
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House officers...newly qualified docs, earn up to 25k.
Senior house officers...1 or 2 years after qualifying earn up to 45k
Registrars, 1 below consultant and with a minimum of 3 years at a job earn up to 70k
Consultants earn over 90k in the NHS, if they decide to become teaching consultants to train HO's and work in a clinic one day a week can earn over 150k.
I'm a support worker and so I'm biased. I earn 13k a year before tax. I would change my job as I'm now a lvl 3 mechanic, but I can't get a job because of experience issues.
I'm not jealous of doctors and I am very good friends with 2 surgical consultants. I just wish that my pitiful wage of 13k could be increased to and stay at maybe 17 - 18k per year. That way I would be able to enjoy my life slightly.
Senior house officers...1 or 2 years after qualifying earn up to 45k
Registrars, 1 below consultant and with a minimum of 3 years at a job earn up to 70k
Consultants earn over 90k in the NHS, if they decide to become teaching consultants to train HO's and work in a clinic one day a week can earn over 150k.
I'm a support worker and so I'm biased. I earn 13k a year before tax. I would change my job as I'm now a lvl 3 mechanic, but I can't get a job because of experience issues.
I'm not jealous of doctors and I am very good friends with 2 surgical consultants. I just wish that my pitiful wage of 13k could be increased to and stay at maybe 17 - 18k per year. That way I would be able to enjoy my life slightly.
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I need injections for foreign travel so contacted my doctors and was advised I needed to fill in a form so that the nurse could contact me. Could they take the details over the phone NO! I phoned them on Monday and asked them what time they closed and was told 6.30pm Monday to Friday. On arriving at 6.00pm they were CLOSED because they were having a PARTY!!!! On closer inspection, below waist level on the door was a scrappy peice of paper saying they would be closed from 1pm. Not for staff training, not for an emergency, not because they were short staffed, in quarantine or had gone bankrupt due to poor service but because they were having a party!! How much do our doctors get paid for this kind of service!!!!?
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I work for the NHS and I have to say, a Consultant fixed my arm, it was f****d in three places, and now it works, so yeah, don't be nasty to people that take care of you.
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What a wonderfully pointless and miss informed comment MR S Allen. There are far worse places to be sick, we have a life expectancy and standard of life that is the envy of the majority of the world (including the US), this is all despite that people in this country seem to be determined to damage their bodies in ever new and more catastrophic ways. We could offer a far more comprehensive health system at a fraction of the price if the general public threw away their ciggies, left the cork in that second bottle of wine, didnt eat that McDonalds hamburger and occasionally went for a jog.
So if your going to be whingeing about the NHS, you better not be a smoking, sozzled, fatty whinger (I presume you fit under one of these categories, if not I appologise unreservedly).
So if your going to be whingeing about the NHS, you better not be a smoking, sozzled, fatty whinger (I presume you fit under one of these categories, if not I appologise unreservedly).
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All nhs hospitals, doctors, surgeons, consultants, = bad news
All therapists, physios, ot's, speech and Lang, psychologists = good news
Advice- don't get sick in Britain.
All therapists, physios, ot's, speech and Lang, psychologists = good news
Advice- don't get sick in Britain.
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You also need to remember that doctors have to undertake a number of years further training whillst working as a foundation doctor then registrar before the possibility of a consultants post even rears its head. And in that time, the most junior will rack up over 50 hours a week, which, if you brake it down into an hourly rate, means they earn less than a newly qualified staff nurse, with ( and as a nurse I hate to say this) far more responsibility - so they are not all driving fast cars and playing golf (it takes many years to get to that stage!!).
Some podiatrists and physios (and other allied health professionals) earn more than a senior sister with less responsibility as that is how their banding was worked out in 'agenda for change' pay structure. There could be a whole new gripe on NHS working / pay structure / roles and responsibilites but perhaps this is best left unsaid.
Some podiatrists and physios (and other allied health professionals) earn more than a senior sister with less responsibility as that is how their banding was worked out in 'agenda for change' pay structure. There could be a whole new gripe on NHS working / pay structure / roles and responsibilites but perhaps this is best left unsaid.
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my gripe is that my wife who has been practicing for 6 years sees her compensation from the insurence companies for procedures getting lower and lower and at the same time mapractice insurance goes. beeing a doctor used to be a great career. not anymore. if the gov. wants to socialize medicine then pay for med school.
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Actually, I agree with Lostdoc
I'm annoyed at the fuss GPs seem to make about out of hours working though. But you really only appreciate a doctor's skills and the hard, prolonged training they undergo when you realise that your life is literally their hands - and you're unlikely to appreciate that until you are diagnosed with a serious illness and need to undergo surgery or other life-saving treatment. It's not just about pill pushing and thrusting a prescription under your nose. There is nothing more worthy of high pay than that, in my opinion. Even if they doubled their pay, I wouldn't object.
I'm annoyed at the fuss GPs seem to make about out of hours working though. But you really only appreciate a doctor's skills and the hard, prolonged training they undergo when you realise that your life is literally their hands - and you're unlikely to appreciate that until you are diagnosed with a serious illness and need to undergo surgery or other life-saving treatment. It's not just about pill pushing and thrusting a prescription under your nose. There is nothing more worthy of high pay than that, in my opinion. Even if they doubled their pay, I wouldn't object.
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Look, end salary isn't based on how hard you work. If that were the case there are plenty of rich people working terrible, mind-numbing jobs with anti-social and long hours - like factory workers for instance.
Salary is and in my opinion, should, be based upon skills. Doctors spend the best part of a decade polishing a plethora of professional skills. These are far reaching, from basic science, to clinical pathology, examination skills, practical skills, communication skills (try telling a mother their child has died, in a tactful, sensitive yet professional manner), diagnostic skills, prescribing skills, surgical skills etc.. etc.. etc..
Now an auxillary nurse, or a 'biomechanical podiatrist cum physiotherapist' for that matter, may well be incredibly hard working and valuble members of the NHS, but they don't possess a skill set that is as unique, sought after and specialised as that of a doctor.
That is why a doctor is paid more, to put it simply the competition to become a doctor is greater, meaning med schools can be more selective, meaning better quality candidates, they work harder and for longer than almost any other profession and possess abilities that cannot be simply 'picked up' by a purely vocational or foreshortened academic training.
Salary is and in my opinion, should, be based upon skills. Doctors spend the best part of a decade polishing a plethora of professional skills. These are far reaching, from basic science, to clinical pathology, examination skills, practical skills, communication skills (try telling a mother their child has died, in a tactful, sensitive yet professional manner), diagnostic skills, prescribing skills, surgical skills etc.. etc.. etc..
Now an auxillary nurse, or a 'biomechanical podiatrist cum physiotherapist' for that matter, may well be incredibly hard working and valuble members of the NHS, but they don't possess a skill set that is as unique, sought after and specialised as that of a doctor.
That is why a doctor is paid more, to put it simply the competition to become a doctor is greater, meaning med schools can be more selective, meaning better quality candidates, they work harder and for longer than almost any other profession and possess abilities that cannot be simply 'picked up' by a purely vocational or foreshortened academic training.
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