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Sentence should fit the crime

I write this gripe with steam coming out of my ears.  The courts in this country are an absolute joke and it appears to me that whatever crime the low life commit the punishment never fits.  There is always some excuse put forward, "he had a bad upbringing", "he only did it to fund his habit" or "he or she was depressed at the time!"

I recently read a very disturbing article about two males who had asked an off duty police officer for a light and when he said that he didn't have one, they assaulted him and beat him so badly that he was in a coma for several weeks.  Although he eventually woke up, this man is now in a permanent vegetative state and is unable to speak, feed himself, or basically do anything.

Judge thought original sentence was too harsh...

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The offenders were traced, prosecuted and received a very fitting sentence (numerous years behind bars), however they appealed and guess what?  They had their sentence halved by a judge as in his words "He thought that the original sentence was too harsh!"  This police officer is now dependant on everyone around him for day to day care so how could the sentence be too harsh?

Another case was of a man who was beaten by two crazed men just because he was making a telephone call in the place where they wanted to take illegal substances.  For his "crime" he received a broken eye socket, broken jaw and a fractured skull.  Yet again they were put before the courts, but this time they were let off and given a supervision order because of the broken homes they came from and the fact that they needed help.

So from all this can we assume that the judicial system cares more for the offenders than it does the people affected by crime.  I'm sure that if that person was a member of the judge's or magistrate's family then the sentence would be greatly increased.  Why do I feel so strongly about this?  I am a serving police officer and am so angry about the way the system treats people on the receiving end of crime.  So much police time and effort is put into bringing the criminal to justice, just to watch them walk away laughing.

By: Wizard69

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Rightly or wrongly though it comes down to one thing doesn't it......money!
It costs a fortune to keep offenders in prison and the country cannot afford it.
It's like anything in this country where the public are dissatisfied. We could throw money at this to ensure long term hard sentences but it would need to be funded by the taxpayer and nobody wants to pay any more tax do they! You can't have it both ways!

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Freddie - 11-Jun-11 08:43 

The sentence handed out to scum criminals should be a minimum term, to be lengthened in the event of bad behaviour, not shortened for good behaviour.
Judges should be replaced by panels comprising members of the public.
Bring back capital punishment.
Abolish the minimum age for prosecution - old enough to commit the crime, old enough to suffer the punishment.
Ditch the Human Rights gravy train.

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J man - 10-Jun-11 21:38 

A scumbag burglar who preyed on the elderly and thought he would get a lenient sentence was just given 15 years. He will probably only serve half of it I expect but at least it is a start; maybe the judicial tide is finally starting to turn against this kind of human detritus.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000441/

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Carrot - 8-Jun-11 17:25 

Justice for Stephen Lawrence ! So we should hopefully see the officers the were corrupt locked up too?
They have let the public down - finally justice ! And any MP that thinks he can help the police officers get off - SACK HIM TOO.

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Justn - 18-May-11 19:08 

On this topic -life in A- cat for the officers that ki11ed John Charles & the same for that muppet who pushed Ian Tomlinson !

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The one 2 watch - 9-Mar-11 13:14 

clearly none of you have ever spent time at her majesty's pleasure. the cruellest thing you could do to a paedophile isn't hanging. it's putting him in prison. I wouldn't want to spend 1 day in prison with the paedophile tag, let alone 1 year... 2 years... etc.

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douche hammer - 24-Feb-11 12:53 

We need Wild West justice!Replace crooked lawyers and judges with sherriffs and deputies.Let citizens buy guns to defend their property and families.Make posses legal.Publically hang murderers,terrorists and paedophiles and give vandals and happy slappers,etc a good horsewhipping! Show punishments on prime time TV as a deterrant to would-be thugs.

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Lawman - 4-Oct-10 02:19 

I'm all for the death penalty and may take it to my local MP, get the ball rolling as it should be for what the people want.

I recall watching a clip on Youtube of a black guy that murdered in cold blood, several members of a family. Court announcement and verdict by a lady judge sentenced him to death.

He had a brass neck to squeal like a pig and make other animalistic sounds then try to attack the family in the courtroom.

You could safely bet that the verdict was the correct one.

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Davey - 31-Mar-10 13:22 

MikeP, I tarred them all with the same brush, but some of the police are idiots, and lets not forget that there have been miscarriages of justice, and I bet there is a small percentage of innocents in jail that we the public don't know about.

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Gainsborough lad. - 31-Mar-10 11:23 

I don't think it's fair to say that the police are idiots. They are under-resourced, like all public services in the UK, thanks to underinvestment by successive governments, their hands are tied by a plethora of PC and loony left laws, mostly emanating from the Bungling Bureauprats of Brussels, and there may be times when they have their own agenda. They are human beings and thus fallible. The huge majority do an outstanding job most of the time.

The police do not make the laws, they have to enforce and uphold them, whether or not they believe they are right.

"Every bus station, train station, shopping centre, outdoor market, public parks, ect, should have a permanent police presence, "

Then you either have a police state, such as Singapore or Saudi Arabia, and maybe as Smithy says, the terrorists have won, or you have Switzerland, where every civilian adult considers him or herself to be a policeman. I don't have too much of a problem with that, but I realise that this is not a commonly held view.

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MikeP - 31-Mar-10 09:26 

And to return to the theme of this gripe, It is all to common these days for a multiple burgler to escape a prison sentence, so he can carry on ruining peoples lies,

But it then beggers belief that an illegal imigrant caught working hard in a small factory, gets six months in prison, like the public really needs to be protected from his dangerous activities.

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Gainsborough lad. - 31-Mar-10 00:02 

What this country needs is the doubling of prison spaces to get all the crap out of society for good, prisons built on scottish islands, out of the way,

The doubling of the police force, instead of making a million extra town hall jobs like Labour has done in the last twelve years, this country can afford it.

It is possible to greatly reduce the threat of crime against the average brittish person, but the governments cannot be bothered,

Every bus station, train station, shopping centre, outdoor market, public parks, ect, should have a permanent police presence,

But instead, all the governments do is invent more and more completley useless government jobs, no wonder crime is high in this country.

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Gainsborough lad. - 30-Mar-10 23:46 

"Don’t forget we have idiots for police, after finding the DNA matched some innocent person, do you think that the police would bother to look for any other evidence?"
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I agree with you Gainsborough; that was my point, that faked DNA evidence could be all it needed to convict someone. It would be considered overwhelming proof and enough to execute someone who was actually innocent.

I do have other problems with the death penalty but the possible execution of an innocent is my biggest reservation.

The kind of prison that murderers are kept are not the holiday camps that some believe them to be and maybe the remainder of one’s life spent incarcerated is , in the end, more of a punishment than death?

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Smithy - 30-Mar-10 23:27 

All murderers deserve to hang, it's just making sure that no innocents get hung in the proccess

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Gainsborough lad. - 30-Mar-10 23:18 

Smithy, don't forget we have idiots for police, after finding the DNA matched some innocent person, do you think that the police would bother to look for any other evidence?

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Gainsborough lad. - 30-Mar-10 23:13 

Gainsborough lad

In the scenario that you just described the jury would consider that the evidence was overwhelming!

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Smithy - 30-Mar-10 22:46 

Regarding the death penalty, all that Ian Huntley would have had to have done, was find a full condom from a neighbours bin, a doggers car park, or the back of a pub, then leave the said evidence on the murdered schoolgirls clothing,

DNA profiling would then do the rest, and you would then have some poor bloke screaming his innocence on his way to the gallows, with no chance to later clear his name.

But sometimes the evidence is overwhelming, in these cases, hang em high.

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Gainsborough lad. - 30-Mar-10 22:42 

Mike,
I do understand your disgust and anger at the perpetrators of these appalling crimes but I will never change my mind about the death penalty.

Someone who was jailed in his twenties and served several decades for a crime he did not commit would only be in his forties on his release and would still have a life left to live. Those twenty years would have been stolen from him but you cannot say that his whole life has been ruined and that the remainder of his life is not worth living.

Executing “suspected terrorists”? They day we kill people for what they might do is the day that terrorists have changed our way of life forever and on that day they will have won.

Incidentally the prison staff who were involved in past executions in this country mostly felt that it brutalised everyone involved and were glad to see it ended. Not all of them felt that way of course but, from what I have read, the majority did.

I have a bit of an allergy which is making me sneeze like a cat and I cannot quite see what I am typing so please forgive any errors!

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Smithy - 30-Mar-10 22:13 

Smithy :

That's a fair comment and is the principle argument used by those who oppose the death penalty. There have indeed been wrongful convictions but forensic detection techniques have substantially improved in the last few years, greatly reducing the probability of wrongful convictions.

A death penalty applied to, for example, a suspected terrorist, could save hundreds of innocent lives.

Where an innocent person has served 'decades' in prison, their life has been ruined anyway, which is why I do not believe in 'life' sentences for certain types of criminal. The death penalty is not a punishment for these people, and there is no appropriate punishment anyway, it is simply a benefit to society.

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MikeP - 30-Mar-10 21:36 

Mike P,

I have no pity for these people but I think that there have been too many unsafe convictions for the death penalty to ever be brought back.

At least now, even if an innocent peron serves decades in prison, they can eventually be released if new evidence is brought to light or it is found, as it was in the case of the Guildford pub bombings that evidence was deliberately withheld.

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Smithy - 30-Mar-10 21:24 

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