Sentence should fit the crime

I'm all for the death penalty and may take it to my local MP, get the ball rolling as it should be for what the people want.

I recall watching a clip on Youtube of a black guy that murdered in cold blood, several members of a family. Court announcement and verdict by a lady judge sentenced him to death.

He had a brass neck to squeal like a pig and make other animalistic sounds then try to attack the family in the courtroom.

You could safely bet that the verdict was the correct one.

MikeP, I tarred them all with the same brush, but some of the police are idiots, and lets not forget that there have been miscarriages of justice, and I bet there is a small percentage of innocents in jail that we the public don't know about.

I don't think it's fair to say that the police are idiots. They are under-resourced, like all public services in the UK, thanks to underinvestment by successive governments, their hands are tied by a plethora of PC and loony left laws, mostly emanating from the Bungling Bureauprats of Brussels, and there may be times when they have their own agenda. They are human beings and thus fallible. The huge majority do an outstanding job most of the time.

The police do not make the laws, they have to enforce and uphold them, whether or not they believe they are right.

"Every bus station, train station, shopping centre, outdoor market, public parks, ect, should have a permanent police presence, "

Then you either have a police state, such as Singapore or Saudi Arabia, and maybe as Smithy says, the terrorists have won, or you have Switzerland, where every civilian adult considers him or herself to be a policeman. I don't have too much of a problem with that, but I realise that this is not a commonly held view.

And to return to the theme of this gripe, It is all to common these days for a multiple burgler to escape a prison sentence, so he can carry on ruining peoples lies,

But it then beggers belief that an illegal imigrant caught working hard in a small factory, gets six months in prison, like the public really needs to be protected from his dangerous activities.

What this country needs is the doubling of prison spaces to get all the crap out of society for good, prisons built on scottish islands, out of the way,

The doubling of the police force, instead of making a million extra town hall jobs like Labour has done in the last twelve years, this country can afford it.

It is possible to greatly reduce the threat of crime against the average brittish person, but the governments cannot be bothered,

Every bus station, train station, shopping centre, outdoor market, public parks, ect, should have a permanent police presence,

But instead, all the governments do is invent more and more completley useless government jobs, no wonder crime is high in this country.

"Don’t forget we have idiots for police, after finding the DNA matched some innocent person, do you think that the police would bother to look for any other evidence?"
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I agree with you Gainsborough; that was my point, that faked DNA evidence could be all it needed to convict someone. It would be considered overwhelming proof and enough to execute someone who was actually innocent.

I do have other problems with the death penalty but the possible execution of an innocent is my biggest reservation.

The kind of prison that murderers are kept are not the holiday camps that some believe them to be and maybe the remainder of one’s life spent incarcerated is , in the end, more of a punishment than death?

All murderers deserve to hang, it's just making sure that no innocents get hung in the proccess

Smithy, don't forget we have idiots for police, after finding the DNA matched some innocent person, do you think that the police would bother to look for any other evidence?

Gainsborough lad

In the scenario that you just described the jury would consider that the evidence was overwhelming!

Regarding the death penalty, all that Ian Huntley would have had to have done, was find a full condom from a neighbours bin, a doggers car park, or the back of a pub, then leave the said evidence on the murdered schoolgirls clothing,

DNA profiling would then do the rest, and you would then have some poor bloke screaming his innocence on his way to the gallows, with no chance to later clear his name.

But sometimes the evidence is overwhelming, in these cases, hang em high.

Mike,
I do understand your disgust and anger at the perpetrators of these appalling crimes but I will never change my mind about the death penalty.

Someone who was jailed in his twenties and served several decades for a crime he did not commit would only be in his forties on his release and would still have a life left to live. Those twenty years would have been stolen from him but you cannot say that his whole life has been ruined and that the remainder of his life is not worth living.

Executing “suspected terrorists”? They day we kill people for what they might do is the day that terrorists have changed our way of life forever and on that day they will have won.

Incidentally the prison staff who were involved in past executions in this country mostly felt that it brutalised everyone involved and were glad to see it ended. Not all of them felt that way of course but, from what I have read, the majority did.

I have a bit of an allergy which is making me sneeze like a cat and I cannot quite see what I am typing so please forgive any errors!

Smithy :

That's a fair comment and is the principle argument used by those who oppose the death penalty. There have indeed been wrongful convictions but forensic detection techniques have substantially improved in the last few years, greatly reducing the probability of wrongful convictions.

A death penalty applied to, for example, a suspected terrorist, could save hundreds of innocent lives.

Where an innocent person has served 'decades' in prison, their life has been ruined anyway, which is why I do not believe in 'life' sentences for certain types of criminal. The death penalty is not a punishment for these people, and there is no appropriate punishment anyway, it is simply a benefit to society.