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Plenty of people complain about drivers speeding, drink driving and tailgating etc.  But there are other types of driver; maybe not so obvious that are still a menace to the rest of us.

It's the slow driver who dithers along completely oblivious to anyone around him or her.  How many times have you encountered one of these on the motorway or on a winding A road?

Why do they do this when their car is more than capable of travelling at speed?

Also, I have noticed that people who drive powerful cars who tend to drive at least 10 mph under the speed limit at all times.  They then brake for a ridiculous of time when going into a corner, making you're journey both time consuming and frustrating.  Why do they do this when their car is more than capable of travelling at speed?  Of course having a powerful car doesn't mean you should race around everywhere and put people at risk!

Old people who drive too slow on the road are dangerous too. Another example of slow driving that can be dangerous is when people go onto the slip road of a motorway or dual carriageway; they pull into the main line of traffic nowhere near the speed limit causing all sorts of chaos.  This kind of driving could just as easily cause a serious accident in the same way as a speeding driver might taking careless risks.

The fact is accidents can just as easily be caused by slow drivers and this is specifically true of some old people, who in my opinion should have to retake their driving test.  Why do we need speed cameras to stop people speeding?  They need to sort out the old people who drive too slowly as well as the speeders!  I think these people are just as dangerous on the roads.  It's all very well targeting speeding motorists but I think drivers that go so slowly that they are a hazard should also be under the spotlight.

Let's have some common sense on the roads please.


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Zanni

This isn't the right gripe for this comment but there doesn't seem to be on about dangerous driving in general.

A news item states that there are about 80 hit and run incidents in London every week, resulting in about 20 pedestrian deaths and about half that number of other road users, every week.

It's contemptible that someone could do this and just drive away to avoid the consequences.

London's roads are being described as "lawless". There seems to be murders every week there. How can a global class of city be allowed to become so hostile and aggressive? A rich country like England should have a capital it can be proud of.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/eighty-hitandruns-each-week-on-londons-lawless-roads-9830590.html
1st Nov 14 02:11

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Seagulls

Yes but a man can have fun in a good ride - houses are boring.
5th Jun 14 05:06

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Dave

buying a car is stupid in the first place.
buy a house and you can get rental income on it.
what do you get from a car apart from its depreciation on a daily basis?
5th Jun 14 04:06

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collar

Here on the A3(M) we face the same problem. I'm planning an overtaking manoveure and we were thinking about going out for the fast lane and slam on the anchors. However, I realize I can have my safety over in the middle and we can buy incredible fast cars for about £25,000 each if you know what you're looking for. Smart drivers waive the indicators (it's no-ones damn business where I'm going) if you bring in enough room. Many motorways here have half the middle lane empty on Sundays or Mondays so that helps a bit.
5th Jun 14 03:06

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Adam Mandy

You car drivers should count yourselves lucky. Try having to slam on anchors in an 18 ton coach whilst granny dorris is going to the bog because some idiot is doing 40mph in lane 3 of the m25. Also with people traveling slowly in the slip lane and causing all sorts of carnage, the law states you must build up speed in the slip lane to match the main flow of traffic. People should be made to take a test to drive on a motorway.
5th Jun 14 02:06

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craig b

Modern cars are geared to travel faster, as most are designed around autobhans and similar type roads. If you are stuck behind someone who insists upon adhering to the speed limits, then it is only due to the superioured brakings and handling of cars like the 'stang for example. I know, I am fortunate to own several, (nearly ten) but I am have worked jolly hard to pay for them.
8th Sep 13 04:09

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Friday Lunchtime

cornish ray : This is a British site. Could you respect that by writing in English, or even something resembling English, if you expect people to read and understand your witterings.
7th Sep 13 09:09

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cornish ray

Oh man, these @ssholes are a tad annoying. The other day I was queuing to come off of the interstate highway outta the Big sleazy and a guy nearly put a hurtin' on my sweet Lex'. Oh man he sure was lucky he did not, or I wouldda put a hurtin' on his @ss, an' I woudda pistol-whipped his @ass. This was actually in Bristol, the west end where all the crimes go off.
7th Sep 13 03:09

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grumpyoldwoman

I was coming back from town yesterday; there was a biker in front of me and we caught up with a driver doing 30mph. This is a road which until recently had a 60mph limit, it was reduced to 40mph for no apparent reason. It's a good A road, 60mph in good conditions is quite safe on some stretches.

So, this fine upstanding citizen was taking another 10mph off an already too low limit just to be on the safe side. Unfortunately there were no overtaking opportunities and the traffic was building up behind him/her.

Then, as we reached the right-hand turn off lane for the garden centre he/she nearly drove past the turn-off lane, then suddenly braked down to about 5mph, nearly causing the biker to crash, pulled over into the turn-off lane, and only then indicated to turn right!

Fortunately the rest of us managed to avoid a pile-up, but it could have been nasty.
6th Sep 13 06:09

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oooohhhhyeeeaaahhh

i've looked into this and from what i've seen slow drivers cause people to undertake and that is what causes a lot of wrecks, more wrecks than fast driver cause
22nd Jul 13 05:07

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M62 for life

All freight should be put on the railways and / or waterways leaving the hard working motorist who commutes to work to be able to get to work without being run off the road by some overweight beer bellied loud mouthed selfish HGV driver. Also - whilst on the soap box - and on a different matter - pedal cyclists - please remember red lights mean YOU TOO and just in case youre about to say 'well you don't own the road' actually motorists DO because we pay ROAD TAX and you don't. Nuff said.
3rd Jul 13 09:07

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ahforfoulkessake

I think whats annoying is people who have nowhere to be at a set time hogging space and using a fast lane and slowing down workers who need to use their vehicles.
Sorry caravans you're being banned from the roads if I come to power. Stay in your garden or a caravan park.
2nd Jun 13 12:06

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Fella

Just keep those bleedin lorries in the left hand lane, problem solved on dual carriage and motorways! And keep tractors and pensioners off B roads before 9am and after 4pm.
30th Jan 13 07:01

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BP/ Esso/Tesco fuel share holder.

I really wish that all driving speed limits were abolished and people could drive at whatever speeds there like. Fast acceleration and sharp braking is good for the motor car. Get where ever you are going fast, sod everybody else. Do not believe the AA and RAC when they tell you that steady driving habits save money, just get your heavy boots on, live a bit. Yer.

P.S Short school runs are particularly advantageous as long as you rev the engine a lot outdide the school gates trying to impress the other morons.
27th Sep 12 12:09

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allan

i failed my test today because i was on a dual carriageway and the examiner told me to follow the signs to a certain directoion and there was a sign saying to leave at the nxt slip road so i went into the left lane only to find i was behind a slow moving vehicle going 40mph, turns out the slip road was further down the road and i was stuck behind the vehicle because the traffic in the right was going 70 and was dence and i couldnt pull out into a slight gap because of causing traffic to break and slow down which is supposed to be a bad thing so why did the examiner give me a serious and fail me? its not like i could do anything else
26th Sep 12 09:09

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Freddie

Oh Boblet, so many answers...so little time. I'm going to show an amazing amount os self restraint and refrain from commenting any further.
8th Aug 12 02:08

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boblet

Do twerps look for sites that do not appear to have a resident twerp, then fill that gap? or are they just random visitors that move in to a vacuum & cause a pain in ones @rse? I hope it is the latter so the G,O,t,Ws most recent twerp will move on sometime soon.
7th Aug 12 09:08

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Kathy

Bad grammar is terrible and should not be accepted. Got the lanes wrong, the definitions I mean. Other than that, good points.

Signed, Kathy
20th Mar 12 11:03

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MikeP

Slow drivers cause accidents. They are as much of a danger as anyone else who drives without due consideration for other road users.

If they are incapable of driving at more than 30 mph they should not be driving at all, particularly as they may be suffering from impaired vision or other medical problems.
25th Oct 11 02:10

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Alf Red

I got stuck in a long line of traffic on a major road last week, held up by a small car tootling along at 40mph or less. Because the road has very few decent straights for overtaking, the queue built up to around 30 cars & yet the elderly driver didn't use a layby to allow us all to pass. This was very frustrating for all of us, but it wasn't dangerous. The only time it became dangerous was when one driver couldn't deal with his frustration and overtook 5 cars at once, failing to get back in before a hill top and others had to brake to let him in. Slow drivers might be a right pain, but impatient drivers are dangerous.
25th Oct 11 01:10

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Boblet

I recommend all drivers to visit Bradistan for a day. When they return to civilisation they will be able to view ordinary bad drivers in a different light. Eight open top white sports cars came roaring out of a side street onto a duel carriageway today, one stopped slewed across the carriageway blocking it, whilst the others seven zoomed noisily across on its inside. Absolutely no respect was shown to me or other drivers. Further down they had both lanes blocked again. I over took on the wrong side of the road then cut in front of them to a chorus of mother Fu**er from the Asian drivers. If I had not had a woman passenger with me I would have done something about their lack of respect. This site has a rule about bad mouthing ethnic groups but believe me Bradistany drivers truly stretch this British sense of fairplay
3rd Jul 11 08:07

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ach-y-fi

1720 2nd July 2011
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Black Peugeot Convertible
Female driver speeds through 20 mph Hebden Bridge and gets right up my backside as I go towards Todmorden sticking to the limit. She got so frustrated at me sticking to the limit she overtook in a 30 mph zone doing more like 40. Typical thinking of the types that think they are a cut above the law.
3rd Jul 11 12:07

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Alf Red

That road I drive on every day is a major trunk road and for years the traffic used to be either at a standstill or at walking pace during the rush hour. The solution......the speed limit was reduced from 70mph to 50 mph over the troublesome section - and it's worked. Instead of the idiots racing and braking hard, the vehicles actually make steady progress, albeit slow at times. The other upside, is it's reduced the number of accidents that hold everybody up.
7th May 11 01:05

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Boblet

Alf I am not sure that a lot of drivers appreciate that getting to close to the car in front then having to brake causes tailbacks.
6th May 11 08:05

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Alf Red

I don't see what the problem is with slower drivers. OK, they may hold other drivers up a bit, but if any driver gets "so frustrated that they place themselves in dangerous situations such as overtaking on hills in order to pass", then I would question whether they are mentally suited to holding a driving licence and anyone who confesses to being like that should maybe consider some sort of stress relief. If you became frustrated and carried out dangerous manoevres or suffered road rage while taking your driving test, you would fail, so why become an idiot just because you've passed the test. The slow tractors are a pain, but are not doing anything illegal, unless there's a traffic order banning them, so if we feel that we may be held up, just set off earlier. Having travelled in rush hour traffic on a busy dual carriageway for many years, I would have welcomed the opportunity to travel as quickly as a tractor, it was walking pace most of the time and not a tractor in sight. If everyone just chilled out a bit, showed some courtesy, let other cars onto the main roads and stopped the flat out acceleration and heavy braking that causes tailbacks, we would all arrive at our destinations less tired and stressed.
6th May 11 05:05

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Wee Linda Lou


Am I the only one completely fed up with slow moving tractors on the road during rush hour times i.e. between 7 and 9am, then again between 4 and 5pm?

Despite the many lay-bys and endless places they could stop, these slow moving tractors still move onward relentlessly either completely oblivious, or simply ignorant to the traffic behind them. Drivers then get so frustrated that they place themselves in dangerous situations such as overtaking on hills in order to pass these ignorant farmers and their tractors!!

There is not a day passes by when these idiots are NOT on the road whilst I'm driving to work. Rush hour can be a complete nightmare! Instead of holding up the traffic, they should at least have the decency to pull over to allow the REAL drivers to arrive at work on time!!

Tractors and slow moving vehicles as such should be banned from the road at rush hour when people are going to and from work. It's little wonder a lot of drivers suffer from road rage because I'm beginning to lose it too!!
17th Apr 11 09:04

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the crash expert

The person quoted on the 10th march claiming to be The Crash Expert is not the real one.
The real Crash Expert did not write the comment.
Someone who hijacked the identity of the Crash Expert wrote the comment.
28th Mar 11 12:03

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Boblet

Well crash expert you may be happy after all these years, I am not. You have just disproved my favourite theory. "You cannot educate cabbage"
10th Mar 11 02:03

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AOD

You're welcome. I have my shortcomings too as I've only just figured out the red lights mean stop and not nail it to the floor! LOL
10th Mar 11 12:03

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the crash expert

I'm sorry, hey after all these years I just read the Highway Code and guess what , you're right, the outside lane is for overtaking after all. No wonder I've been getting funny looks all these years. They don't call me the "Expert" for nothing you know. Thinking about it maybe that stretch of road had a 40 limit as well, silly me !
10th Mar 11 11:03

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AOD

Hey crash expert buddy, I think you've got your insides and your outsides a tad mixed up there haven't you? The inside lane is the slow lane, the middle and outside lane are the ones for overtaking.
10th Mar 11 08:03

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the crash expert

I came upon a mobile chicane on the outskirts of Oxford today, a red car travelling on the northern bypass in the inside lane doing literally 40mph! I flashed the driver from behind because I was closing up from 60/65mph and gaining fast, there was no response from the red car, so I eased the gas, and then when a gap in the outside lane opened up I moved out and overtook.
9th Mar 11 10:03

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Freddie

Boblet.......I must admit that I am guilty of doing that too. One thing I have been doing for a few years now is dipping my headlights as a courteous thank you instead of flashing my full beam. I've never understood the concept of saying thanks to somebody by blinding them!
I'll stop doing the brake light thing as well now. I just wish some people would stop doing the front or rear fog lights when they're not needed thing but that's a whole different argument!!!!
3rd Mar 11 01:03

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Fleetwood Mac

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Blue Ford Focus Zetec

Impatient and aggressive driver getting right up my rear trying to get me to go faster. I was doing the speed limit and there was a lot of traffic in front going at the speed limit. He overtakes doing about 60 in a 40 zone and barges his way back into the stream of traffic. A585 towards Fleetwood on 2nd March about 6.25pm.

A typical show-off who is deluded.
2nd Mar 11 11:03

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DSG

Of course,young drivers are the source of all road problems. Round where I live,the young generation of drivers drive like manics,crashing into bulidings and destroying shops!
As for the old people however,they just drive 30 miles under the speed limit and cause traffic jams!
Other than that,it's quite fine around these parts.

I am being satirical here,you know.
4th Feb 11 10:02

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Boblet

Learning from the Gripes, I read a gripe recently where it was pointed out that some drivers hold their car stationary at lights etc using the foot brake thus dazzling the car behind. I have now stopped doing this & can only appreciate the fact that it was pointed out to me. I did not realize that it was an example of bad driving.
20th Jan 11 07:01

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Boblet

Why do people who speed in cars & motorbikes never speed in Work? I have never met one person, male or female, young or old, that went to fast in the work place, unless they were driving a forklift truck of course.
20th Jan 11 07:01

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Congo

'Matthew Sibley'

It is well known that Congo does not enter into private correspondence and it must be noted you are quoting US research. This, I would venture is not applicable to UK drivers and would probably be disputed by many insurance companies.

Do you have any relevant UK research to support your contention?
20th Jan 11 03:01

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the crash expert

I think Stirling Moss and Saga car insurance company would take issue with you on this one. By the time you get to 65 you have pretty much seen it all, older drivers of 65 and above are able to offset age with experience and knowledge, they are able to make allowances for their age, younger drivers don't have the experience and knowledge to draw on, and don't have such humility or respect for themselves or for others. Young drivers I am sorry to say chat such utter s**t, I would not trust anything written by an American, they are invariably shown to be wrong.
26th Nov 10 07:11

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Matthew Sibley

Amy, you make the point we should not discriminate against old people because of their age, yet you have just done that with younger people.
24th Nov 10 06:11

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Amy

old people over of any age should have a rigtht to drive, unless they have a mental or physical illness that might affect there desicions or recations. If they passed the their driving test they have a right to drive no matter the age they are still capable and in some ways safer as they have been driving for longer, I think younge drivers are the problem and we need to tackel it! we need to add more laws and punishments for what the police see as not as important as other things. old people have a right we should not judge them on their age, we should leave them be!
18th Nov 10 02:11

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tinkerbell

no they shouldnt once they get to 55 they should have a retest every 5 years
18th Nov 10 02:11

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Selfish Road User

They may defer to each other in germany but I am an englishman, thank and praise god, I defer to nobody! I have never visited krautmania but I am tempted to go over there and show them what an englishman can do behind the wheel.
9th Nov 10 11:11

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the crash expert

Not in my experience they don't, I have yet to see an audi driver dither. Audi drivers in germany defer to the BMW driver and the BMW defers to the Mercedes, and the Mercedes defers to the Porsche. Volkswagen drivers defer to the Audi driver.
Volvo drivers don't read the Daily Fail, they usually read The Times or The Guardian in my experience. Audis are just a Volkswagen chassis platform with a fancy badge on the front. And it could be said that Michelle Mouton never dithered either, nor was she slow if my memory serves me correctly.
9th Nov 10 11:11

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Harsh But Fair

For the record, my opinion is not driven by jealousy nor class envy. To be a middle class, Volvo driving, Daily Mail reader just doesn't do it for me, thankfully. As for the car, I drive an Audi, so why would I be jealous of Volvo ownership?

And if you have the hackneyed Audi driver stereotype to hand, please don't throw it at me as it doesn't apply - I am courteous, I do indicate, I don't tailgate and I don't drive as if I own the road. I merely drive confidently, in an assertive manner and I don't dither. This is how many Audi drivers drive in my opinion.
7th Nov 10 02:11

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volvo specialist

Micras absolutely, now there is a class of car that really is dull, slow and boring, and driven by old codgers, coffin dodgers and driving schools, all the micras I see are covered in dents, and have got bent bumpers, and have at least one inoperative headlight.
My father drives a Volvo, he is not slow by any means, he is one of the best drivers I know. He has never had a speeding ticket, never had a parking ticket and has been driving since the mid nineteen sixties. He has never once caused an accident either. He also taught me to drive, and I have yet to have an accident or get a ticket for anything either.
Abuse of volvo owners is, I believe, driven by jealousy and class envy. They are usually more often than not driven by respectable middle class professional people of good community standing.
4th Nov 10 07:11

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Harsh But Fair

Volvo drivers have been specifically highlighted as slow drivers many many times by many many different people. Only Micra drivers come close. They're renowned for it.

But hey, we must all be wrong and you of course are correct.

My mistake for making observations during 21 years of unpenalised driving and I just love the implication that only middle class family people make for sensible and safe drivers.

May I suggest you grow some thicker skin?
4th Nov 10 05:11

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kss

I once went onto a side road of a motorway and the a truck driver wouldn't let me in so I had to break hard. It's not always a good idea to join the motor at the required speed limit. Lorry drivers who went past the truck driver beeped their horns to wake him up presumably.
3rd Nov 10 06:11

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volvo specialist

Excuse me, but the fact is that Volvos are not driven by slow drivers, they are very often driven by Parents with children, they are often middle class family people, who drive sensibly and with respect for the law. Volvos are some of the safest cars on the road and attract some of the best insurance deals on the market. Volvos in my experience are some of the best driven cars on the road, it is everyone else who is the problem, because all other drivers are idiots.
I often drive my fathers Volvo estate car, and I am hardly slow, I can tell you.
3rd Nov 10 06:11

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Harsh But Fair

I've become quite good at spotting a slow driver. This is useful as I can usually avoid getting stuck behind one. The most obvious tell-tale signs are driving a Micra or Volvo. Slow drivers are selfish and a nuisance to other drivers. If driving at 40mph in a 40mph zone in good driving conditions is such a scary proposition, you shouldn't be driving unless you have just passed and are still gaining valuable experience. Get off the roads and stay off them until such a time that you can handle it. You're no better than speeding drivers.
1st Nov 10 10:11

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grumpyoldwoman

So, lik, enforcing speed limits will contribute significantly to road safety?

Only the 5% of accidents which occur at speeds over the limit I'm afraid.

Why not try to do something about the other 95%?
31st Oct 10 03:10

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lik

Speed limits are a once again becoming a major topic of discussion and some enforcement methods are at best misunderstood and on occasions a source of public irritation. RoadSafe believes that eliminating excessive speed will save lives and has outlined some of the potential solutions, their benefits and the rationale behind enforcement methodologies that will significantly contribute to road safety.
31st Oct 10 01:10

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Mol

Yes, it's dangerous to drive to fast and too slow.
31st Oct 10 01:10

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ajp

Keep to the speed limit. Simple. Why do people find it so difficult? We all have speedos.

Also, make sure you know the speed limits for each road (they are usually posted at the opening of the road and, unless 30mph, are repeated along the road. Yet, there are people who drive on a road near me at 30 when the road is 40 and they have constant reminders along the way. This is a single lane carriageway so no overtaking.

VERY frustrating. Eyes open people!
31st Oct 10 01:10

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shamusey

I have been driving proffesionally and privately for 27 years I have not ever had a speeding ticket and have no intention of doing so , I have young children of whom I intend to preserve thier lives for as long as I can ,i understand the law and abide by it as I can not be a*s*d to deal or pay for the consequences.
I also have "that Sticker" in my rear window saying Back Off im doing the speed limit !
22nd Sep 10 11:09

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Biscuitbum

There is one road near me that has one of those nasty camera things that is always flashing as some motorist hurtles by at 32 mph. It has cought me twice in recent years and I now reduce my speed to 25mph well before I reach it, telling myself to concentrate. If any motorist were to ask me why I was travelling so slowly I would reply, 9 points means I can drive here as slowly as I bloody well like!
8th Sep 10 01:09

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Chris.

Ralph, only persons I've encountered to memory, 3 of them, driving Range Rover Sports that have nearly caused my car or me, harm, happened to be men.

The women I encounter that have a dangerous driving style, own Audi S3's, Mercs and usually very powerful coupe's. Best one however, was a stupid 30 something cow with her 7ft tall bodybuilding hubby in the car that decided the middle lane was a 100mph undertaking speedway. At the last second actually kept diving into the 3rd lane to progress past a middle lane dweller.

After trying and failing to do this to me, I was followed for 26 miles to the next services with her up my bum and then overtaking infront and harshly braking. After phoning the police, I got out of the car, bursting for a wee. I had her drive at me at first and then her husband got out and punched me without warning.

Meh. Sorry for the story again.

A bad driver doesn't need a high powered performance car or to be a specific gender.
12th Aug 10 12:08

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Kathleen W

Ralph London

It doesn't occur to you does it that they may have worked hard at good jobs and paid for their own car? Jealous?
20th Jul 10 02:07

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Ralph London

by the way the worst drivers are the stunning women who have baggd a rich husband who has bought them a BMW X5 or RANGE ROVER so many times I have nearly been ki11ed on my bike by them they soooooo sttuuuupiiiidddd
20th Jul 10 02:07

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F DA JUDGE

I agree with sticking to the speed limit but only so you dont lose your licence I think it is a ridicolous speed and my car can brake in half the distance they say USAIN BOLT can run at 30 mph !! 30 is too slow and I have lost my licence for exceeding the speed limit apparently I hit over 60 mph on a hundred metre road now unless I had a ferrari this is impossible but as you say you cannot beat the system I guess I just have to wait either until the government is overthrown or untill I earn a 5 figure salary untill I can afford my insurance again it was already 3 times the amount of my car with no points !!! luckily I am more of a bike man and am quick to jump back on my bike were insurance is actually reasonable
20th Jul 10 02:07

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mary

I have recently been reading the stupid, childish comments on this website, I will be tracking the childish person who are posting immature comments pretending to be 'justin bieber'
this is past joke!
6th Jul 10 10:07

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justin bieber

I thought this website was for people to give their views on this proposterous situation NOT delete innocent peoples comments! grmko;sm
5th Jul 10 11:07

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jowe

I completley agree with you lol love from j oe xghhh hhhhhhhhhhh h hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh hh h hhhh h hh hhhhh hh hhhh hhh hhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh hhhhh
17th Jun 10 11:06

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Nikki

I drive according to the speed limit ... not because I am a law-abiding nerd per se, but because I have been booked 3 times for speeding and I do have a brain ... a brain that tells me if I go on breaking the speed limit, even by as much as 4 mph, I shall lose my licence. If I lose my licence, I lose my job. If I lose my job, I lose my house and I starve. I am an intelligent human being, I learn that sometimes you can't beat the system, you have to conform. So if the sign says 20 mph, I do 20, even if it seems totally ridiculous. It is not a question of being a slow driver ... if you don't like abiding by the law, then don't, break the law and lose your licence. I don't care whether you lose your licence, but I do care if I lose mine. So ... I stick to the speed limit. And will get totally p'd off by morons or sit on my bumper trying to force me to drive faster. I won't.
14th Jun 10 08:06

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The Voice

I fully concur with this article and how refreshing it is to see this issue highlighted. It does not receive anything like the attention it should, in my opinion. It's a real problem, especially at the weekends when the part-time drivers are out in force.

Slow drivers are a nuisance. Period. If driving at 40 MPH in a 40 MPH limit is such a scary prospect, then get off the roads and stay off the roads until such a time it is no longer an issue. Or maybe you just like being awkward? Well, stay off the roads until you have grown up. Whatever the reason, stay off the roads until you can safely drive a motor vehicle without annoying other drivers.

Slow drivers cause unnecessary traffic congestion and so does the excessive braking they so frequently insist upon doing.

I have found the most persistent offenders to be women in powerful cars and 4 x 4s, pensioners and frugal drivers keeping too much of an eye on consumption, to the detriment of fellow drivers.

To you all, you're a nuisance, a pest, an irritant. Call it what you will, but get with it or don't bother. You have a responsibility not to drive recklessly, as do we all. BUT, you also have a responsibility to not drive slowly and dither unnecessarily.
14th Jun 10 07:06

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sparky the dragon

IM BACK TO MAKE MORE MAHEM THEN EVER

so you better wach your self if you dont you dont want to know so thets play an old game could KING OF THE HILL it is esey to play all you have to do it to clame to hill by saying something for example I SHOOT YOU and then you say my hill so I will start

i find a hill MY HILL
25th May 10 09:05

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I think is very useful infornmation and it can make people think in very differant ways
10th May 10 01:05

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realist

the trouble with defining a slower driver as a nuisance that should be cleared from the road is that it tries to make your standard the norm.i agree that someone going slower can be irritating but their view of how fast the world should go is as valid as mine and I must respect it.conversely there are some going faster than me who are irritated by me,so it goes.it's only driving after all
21st Apr 10 12:04

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HornMan

Old boys who wear caps and drive large Jags and Daimlers are the biggest culprits. Why oh why do they have to potter along at 35mph on the open road. And then come to a virtual halt when they turn a corner. Everyone is so frustrated trying to get past them, they take extra risks and cause accidents.
19th Apr 10 11:04

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Slow drivers can be as much a pain as fast ones, but why doensnt everyone leave for their destination a few minutes earlier, that way you avoid the stress of being late and threads like this become irelevant.
19th Apr 10 10:04

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grumpyoldwoman

Realist, little old ladies may not be able to walk very quickly; but all cars are capable of going at a sensible speed! Very slow drivers should be pulled over for obstructing other traffic.
19th Apr 10 08:04

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When we walk along a pavement most people adapt to every other user slowing down for mothers with prams,edging gently round old ladies watching out for others coming out of doorways and generally not walking to quickly to upset anyone.So why when we use a road does all our consideration for others go out of the window?Roads just like pavements are used by a range of people with different ideas and attitudes so if you are behind someone who in your terms is slow accept it,it wont last forever.Considering that roads are for the faster driver only is a dangerous and selfish myth.
18th Apr 10 08:04

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I am an older driver ( 69 ) and I too get fed up with slow drivers. I have never had a speeding ticket, bad accident, or fine ( just two parking tickets ) since I passed my test in 1957 ! I have two cars. A Honda Civic 1.8vti and a classic Vauxhall 2 Litre Sportshatch which I like to drive with verve. Driving is all down to the individual and the reason for their driving a car. I am a retired business man who is a member of a car club and I take my driving very seriously, but I often wonder why people who drive every day seem to get no better or even worse with the years of experience. Maybe it's just because they see the motor car as a means to get from here to there and everyone they meet on the way is a nuisance ? I never exceed the 30mph limit as I am haunted by seeing a 7 year old girl lying unconcious in the roadside after rolling off the dented bonnet of a BMW which was travelling at only approx. 25 mph in our local village. The driver was sick with worry as he was unable to avoid her. Luckily she recovered.
I can not understand why people drive over the limit when they only have to put the pedal down slightly to make up lost time on the open road. Why don't you start off a little earlier then you don't have to break speed limits and you may even enjoy your driving ?
14th Apr 10 08:04

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I absolutely agree with this, people who drive slow turn my 20 minute drive into a 40 minute drive which always makes me late. When the weather is rainy it is even worse, they drive at 25-30 miles an hour in a 45 zone and often times hug the shoulder too closely. I feel that these slow drivers get away too easy when they ignore the speed limit just as bad as those who drive too fast. As for the older drivers I hate to say it, but 9 times out of 10 they are slow drivers. If you have nowhere to go, no important meeting, or job, then pull over to the side of the road and let others by or stop driving slow, maybe even stop driving period, they do make a public transit in most states.
7th Apr 10 04:04

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lolol

Then mr tetchy would kill you.. great plan. lol :)
31st Mar 10 04:03

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Capt Pugwash

Oh NO they are not! That's offensive ageist comments from intolerant bigots. Besides, it is my right to have a man walking with a red flag in front of my car when I tow my caravan. Remember, you get points for having the longest vehicle tail-back behind you and as we all well know point mean prizes. I, myself, like to make a point of driving at least 10 mph below the speed limit as it is jolly spiffing fun and it is a great way not get caught by police speed cameras. The bonus is to see the look on the police officer's face as I crawl past them with their speed gun. However, the best way of all is to get yourself a tractor and trailer (preferably one with a full muck spreader attached - and for any impatient driver you just switch it on to let the brown smelly stuff fly over Mr Tetchy! Great fun!) and then you really are in business and you can get yourself some really serious queues behind you too.
29th Mar 10 09:03

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shazzzaaaaa+ammzzzzzz

51560640601604769014 I disagreeee!
i disagree, you aare handling this situation immaturely geeeeeek
12th Mar 10 03:03

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Xoddy

I agree 100%. Old people should be more stringently controlled when it comes to their driving, they are the bane of my driving life. They neither have the spacial awareness, reaction times or even road sense of younger people. They generally drive slowly, and badly, because their brains can't compute the data needed to drive safely at speed. They don't even do that at slow speed safely either. They should give up driving at 65, after all, thats what the free bus is for....isn't it?
5th Mar 10 01:03

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J to the Whizzi

Yo Sparky get a life. My spellin is fanastic so dont take the michey
26th Jan 10 10:01

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brendon

old people should not be aloud to drive because thay cores over 40 car crashes a day lol
26th Jan 10 10:01

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Sparky

Who wrote this? Who edited this?

The spelling errors and grammatical errors are from someone who should not be driving.

Jesus Christ! You're and your are two greatly different words.
21st Jan 10 02:01

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frisky fox boy

I kill you in your sleep ha ha ha

my hill and I clame all resorces for myself
7th Dec 09 10:12

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vector the crocodile

a week has parst and the hill turnd into a fort

my fort
30th Nov 09 10:11

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vector the crocodile

im new so you give the hill to me and then I take it to my island and go to sleep on it

my hill
23rd Nov 09 10:11

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sparky the dragon

ok im bord lets play kill of the hill if you dont know how to play this is wat you do all you have to do is find a way to get the hill ill start

i find a hill

my hill
10th Nov 09 10:11

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sparky the dragon

ok deal enyone else wont to kill this frog come on people kill the frog kill the frog kill the frog
3rd Nov 09 02:11

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binlardon

ok only if I can have a curry at the curry house arfter thr krocker is dead is it a deal
3rd Nov 09 02:11

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sparky the dragon

I say we all find and kill the frog hoos with me binlardon
3rd Nov 09 02:11

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froggy

incorect I am from the planit barker my ship crashed landed of this planit and now I am storking the internet y do you ask
3rd Nov 09 02:11

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old man bob

so frog wat planit are you from my ass ha ha ha ha ha ha
3rd Nov 09 02:11

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froggy

I am a frog from a nuther planit I have hurd of the old people driveing explane
3rd Nov 09 02:11

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old man bob

I am a bus drivers but I can eat curry to but I must take my fake teeth but I can take your head and play football ps I can drive so kiss my ass
3rd Nov 09 01:11

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binlardon

ok 3... 2... 1... bomes away bage bage bage bage bage bage bgae all dead
3rd Nov 09 01:11

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sparky the dragon

bome all the people plees will you I will be your best friend if you d
3rd Nov 09 01:11

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binlardon

this is binlardon wot do you wont and make it quick
3rd Nov 09 01:11

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sparky the dragon

ummm nace curry it was nace o no im late so were was I o ya binlardon come in binlardon
3rd Nov 09 01:11

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GRUMPYOLDWOMAN

"slow cars do not kill pedestrians. Fast ones do."

What rubbish!! It's possible to kill a pedestrian at any speed, as long as you hit them first. You could go past a pedestrian at 300mph and you wouldn't kill them if you missed them! If you knock someone over and then run over them you could kill someone at 10mph.

Careless driving is what kills, not speed.

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2nd Nov 09 04:11

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Andy W

slow cars do not kill pedestrians. Fast ones do. The point is that the speed limit is the limit you should be driving at and not the required speed, so driving at 25mph in a 30mph LIMIT zone is perfectly acceptable. Doing 40mph, just because everone else is, is just still illegal and dangerous!
2nd Nov 09 12:11

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Youthful Griper

Old man bob: you may indeed be able to drive a bus and a car and should you wish, drive them into houses, heck I've seen other bus drivers perform this manouevre.

Though you have to remember you can only drive one at a time.
20th Oct 09 04:10

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sparky the dragon

I can drive a plane an bus and a taxi I my best frind is osama binlardon and I will bome you bome you all ha ha ha ha but first I am going to eat my curry it is geting colde
20th Oct 09 02:10

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old man bob

hi I am old I am 79 and I can drive a bus and car in to your house
20th Oct 09 02:10

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The best things in life are fr

I was driving along the A449 from Stafford past Acton Gate towards the M6 where the speed limit is mostly 30 and becomes 40 further along towards the motorway.

A Merk Berk doing 60 mph overtakes four vehicles along the straight stretch nearer the motorway.

What does this snob drenched pillock think he is because he has got a powerful car?

I wouldnt be surprised if he is a banker used to taking risks and hoping to get away with the benefits of his ill-gotten gains and if anything goes wrong someone else pays the price.

Gone are the days where rank, status and wealth meant honesty and integrity. I am glad I have my principles and integrity and look like a hippy in a depleted vehicle since snob value and power corrupts. They say money is the root of all evil so let them use it for their evils.

It shows that money cannot buy some things such as integrity and trust and these means more to me than image like these jumped-up kids have to compensate for their inferiorities.
5th Oct 09 11:10

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Jethro

Louise,(I'll write this comment in your style so you can have it read to you).
Old peoples eyes may get badder as thay get older, but I's still bet thay can rite and spel better than you. Life on the estate, Hey.
19th Sep 09 06:09

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grumpyoldwoman

Louise, is your eyesight really bad too, or can you just not spell? What is eve sight?
17th Sep 09 02:09

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Louise

I dunno wah to say, but I dont think old people should drive cus as they get older their eve sight gets bader!!!!!
17th Sep 09 02:09

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shivvy

And Bonkers198, I'm neither particularly old (37) and I don't drive slowly. Although I do keep to the speed limit, which would probably be considered slow by the people that agree with this gripe.
7th Sep 09 12:09

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shivvy

The only people who slow drivers pose a danger towards is drivers that drive too fast, who generally have no patience or regard for anyone else but themselves.
6th Sep 09 11:09

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MikeP

Has it occured to you that some people drive slowly because we are not in a hurry, because we leave 10 minutes earlier than necessary in order to have a relaxing and stress free journey? To allow an extra few minutes to look for parking, or to arrive early and have a cup of tea instead of getting hot and sweaty rushing from place to place?
6th Sep 09 01:09

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Whats in your wallets

I have just found this site, thank you all for the past hour's entertainment. Have you( the angry people) considered why oldies drive slowly? Let me give you one possibility, they enjoy winding-up aggressive, knuckle dragging,moronic, intellectually challenged thugs that drive too fast and think that they are the only ones that have a right to be on the roads.But, it is understandable why so many drivers are so angry, rushing from job to job trying to earn enough money to pay for those big flash cars, excessive mortgages, and life styles that they cannot afford.Fortunately, I don't own a vehicle, I'm not lumbered with a mortgage, but I do receive a whopping big pension. And yes, I do have a bus pass, have a nice day.
6th Sep 09 10:09

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Bonkers198

The Only People who will dissagree with this will be old drivers themselves and They DO drive either dangerously or too slow
29th Aug 09 08:08

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YES

do you know what else is dangerous? me having sex with your mum without a condom
30th Jun 09 11:06

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someone_who_needs_help

i got it in the end but thanks for the help anyway..............x
17th Jun 09 11:06

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someone_who_needs_help

where can I find a survey to show how dangerous old people are when they drive?
11th Jun 09 08:06

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erm

old drivers are dangeroussss and they could kill someone if there not carefult hey have the bus so theyshould use it
3rd Jun 09 09:06

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Slow drivers are a hazard.

Im pretty sure encouraging drivers to drive as close to the speedlimit either way as a matter of protecting life limb eyesight and property is not immature. People like this cause devistating accidents. I see one everyday near the on/off ramps on my way home because someone was not doing the going speed.
16th May 09 06:05

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Sme

Why Are You Even Having This Pointless Discussion. How Immatture.. Have Your little petty Arguments you 7 year olds
8th May 09 03:05

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klahoman Drivers Suck, LT go

Not me I have an Si and slow POS Oklahoman drivers make me angry. Some times I throw it in low gear and VTECH up to the speed limit in the slow lane to pass them just to rub it in thier face they are so slow.
4th May 09 05:05

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Obi-Wan

No Comment...

Peace, Dont Argue Dont Make War Make Love

May The Force Be With You.
28th Apr 09 11:04

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Nikki

Yes indeed, Grumpy, sorry, I should have said that !

I usually stick around 60 mph in the inside lane, lorries permitting.
14th Apr 09 05:04

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grumpyoldwoman

Hi Nikki!

Driving at 45mph on the motorway is ok as long as you stick to the inside lane! In the middle lane it is dangerous as there are road users who are not allowed into the outside lane and they would therefore be unable to overtake legally.
14th Apr 09 11:04

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Nikki

There is actually no law that says you cannot drive at 45 on a motorway, Wendy.

I would far rather someone drove at 45 than 105 - far less likely to cause an accident. Whereas I personally would not choose to drive that slowly on a fast-moving motorway, it's a bit harsh to say someone who does doesn't deserve their licence !
14th Apr 09 09:04

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Wendy Warrior

older lad - you don't go over 45 on the motorway?? I hope you're joking...if not, it's people like you who don't deserve driving licences.
13th Apr 09 02:04

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Captain Ash

12:30 on 13/04/09

BP05JVR

Silver Astra

Another Astra non-conformist driving willy nilly on the A465 on a 50mph stretch between Merthyr and the turning for Hereford/A40.

Doing about 70mph like many opportunist speeders were.

Perhaps this driver doesn't understand decimal.
13th Apr 09 01:04

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Lindsey

This was really good for my solo talk at the academy
Thankyou!
10th Apr 09 06:04

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Letsby

On 10/04/09 at about 17:10

EN55 CYF
Black Vauxhall Astra Life was hounding me as I drove from Oakham along the A606 towards Melton Mowbray.

I kept to the speed limit so wasn't too fast or too slow.

This driver kept getting closer then backing off because I wouldn't go over the limit.

He eventually decided to overtake me on a hill doing about 80 mph.

Five minutes later a police car passed heading in the same direction.
10th Apr 09 05:04

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Nikki

"Fortunately we are all above average drivers so we can handle it, but we cannot say the same about everyone else."

Hee hee - excellent !!
22nd Mar 09 04:03

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painterman

When we are in our car its easy to imagine that we are pretty much in charge on the road, big engine, sounds, sat nav, phone, fag etc. It is not so easy if someone else just has somewhere to go and gets on and shares the space. The highway is for us all both from a practical and legal perspective but almost universally not from the drivers perspective. Fortunately we are all above average drivers so we can handle it, but we cannot say the same about everyone else.
28th Feb 09 08:02

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older lad

people should not drive fast. I never go over 45 on the motorway. I have a smoke dispenser rigged to the boot in case I get a tailgater. they usually end up as roadkill. warning do not tailgate.
27th Feb 09 04:02

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Bryster

Drivers that enter the motorway at 40-50 mph are surely some of the most dangerous drivers around!
6th Feb 09 09:02

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Sam

I think this is right because there are loads of old people clogging up the roads and causing chaos aswell as speeders. OLD people should be banned from driving !!
28th Jan 09 05:01

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Freddie

chloe.....go back to your classroom and ask your teacher for some extra lessons. You clearly need them. Coz? Also, try using a little punctuation occasionally. Whilst you're at it, can you please explain to us all what part of your post we are supposed to "Laugh out Loud" to?
If you want to play with grown ups then behave like one. Otherwise, go away!
22nd Jan 09 08:01

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chloe rebekah hopwood

I think older people should be banned from driving coz they are too old to drieve and are really slow (no offense) and it's really hard to drive behind them. lol.
21st Jan 09 04:01

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Santiago

What is it with the sheer arrogance of slow drivers?
Creeping alonf on open single carriageway roads with huges queues behind them, not a care in the world.
If you ever manage to look in the mirror (now there is a novel concept for the slow driver) and see dozens of vehicles held up behind you it might just be that you are driving too slowly for the conditions. You have become a moving road block and are inconveniencing a lot of other people. The clue is in the fact that there is no one ahead of you but a hell of a lot behind.
So - please! Take the hint, pull over, let everyone past and then continue pottering on your way. You will generate a huge amount of goodwill from the grateful drivers, probably receive cheery waves, a few "thank you's", and generally make everyone's day!
16th Jan 09 11:01

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Liam + Aleisha

Old people shouldnt drive! Get them off the road!
boom boom booom BAM!
16th Jan 09 09:01

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grumpyoldwoman

I've come across a few CSN's too!
I think they must be programmed to drive at 40.
I live in a village & often follow them into the nearest town. How they get away with doing 40 in a 30 limit I really don't know.
Unfortunately the main road has recently had a 40 mph limit slapped on it for no apparent reason; thus vindicating the CSN's behaviour part of the time.
(I also resent the implication that for all the years I have been driving along the aforementioned main road I at over 40mph I have been driving too fast!)
14th Jan 09 04:01

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Slow driver? What about the 'CSN' or Constant Speed Numpty.

To-day I followed a first-class one in her Micra along a long stretch of A road.

At a constant 40mph.

The road is well surfaced with good visibility and plenty of places where a safe overtake is possible, even easy, except that to-day the oncoming traffic prevented me from passing.

After about 10 minutes a long tailback has developed behind us including another Micra!

A short while later we approach the outskirts of a village with a 30mph limit but the Micra keeps on at a relentless 40. Maintaining her robotic pace we reach the outskirts again, the road opens up and the limit is once again 60.

Still she maintains the same, numbing 40mph. So I and about 5 of the following cars overtake and, guess what.

She flashes her headlights angrily at every one of us! How dare we overtake? What speed-crazed, dangerous people we are.

I am gratified to see that the last vehicle in the convoy to pass her is......

Yes, you guessed it - the other Micra!
14th Jan 09 04:01

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jim

are they too dangerous to be on the road since there eyesight is a little bit poorly and their reactions are slower (type back soon)
14th Jan 09 03:01

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jim

but any ways what do you think about old people driving
14th Jan 09 03:01

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I'm hacked off by slow drivers - by which I mean those who CAN'T READ road signs. Near where I live is a 40 zone from a 30 zone. For about 3 miles it's 40, yet all the time there are laggers who think everywhere in England is 30mph but they can't even do that. On every other lampost it clearly says 40, that's four-zero, get it? So LISTEN - I just wanna do the SPEED LIMIT ok, not near half of it, and when I safely overtake your pitiful inertia don't flash and shake your fist. I've capitalised some of this post so it MIGHT be easier for the SLOW ones to understand.
12th Jan 09 11:01

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Sam, the Tiger

GrumpyOW - thanks for your input and assurance. I believe KG did not mean to be mean-spirited. Being facetious can sometimes backfire, though, if it's taken out of context.

But let's move on and maintain faith in human nature. I've used words, albeit indeterminable on the surface, I shouldn't. Pardon me for being self-righteous, my bromide.
29th Nov 08 12:11

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Sam, the Tiger

It's alright. We have to remember that human beings can be riled, anytime especially on a bad hair day; and in anger, make unreasonable and embarrassing outbursts. Then we chill out and retract statements we made in haste.

It takes moral courage to own up. At heart, KG, I'm sure you are a decent man. Am I perfect? Far, far from it, pal. Trust me.

My use of euphemisms that verges on euphuisms sometimes covers a grand multitude of sins. Maybe I am no better than a forthright man who speaks (his mind) like it is. Forgive me too if you detect my verbal shortcomings.
28th Nov 08 10:11

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kinggeorge

I am sorry for saying those things about colored people, I don't really feel that way. I was just trying to be funny. In fact my scottish brother is married to a beautiful negress and I went to their wedding. Cheers
28th Nov 08 08:11

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grumpyoldwoman

Sam, I think most of us here in England were hoping that if we ignored the idiot calling himself king george he would go away!
28th Nov 08 04:11

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Sorry to butt in, Sir; but I think it is the unkindest cut of all. I'd hope you do not represent the views and sentiments of the good and honest people of Britain.

There was an article in our newspaper not so long ago. A young UK couple was invited to a party in Toronto and found a mix of multi-colored party goers and crashers. They had a blast. Guess what the astonished couple reported: this does not happen in England.

I hope they are wrong. We are so much like England of old - tolerant and charitable. What's heppening to the country?

The Toronto Star recently ran an article abstracted from an expose by a UK columnist. He called the young people of his country "Animals." This can't be happening. I find it hard to swallow.
28th Nov 08 04:11

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king george

I think nick is right, most colored people are horrible drivers and its probably because they are all just slightly educated monkeys.
28th Nov 08 11:11

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grumpyoldwoman

I'll support Freddie's comment too.
There is far too much drivel posted on here (obscene or otherwise) by idiots who just want to draw attention to themselves, while not having a single opinion in their silly heads.
28th Nov 08 08:11

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MikeP

"Site admin.... Isn't the garbage below an indicator that we have arrived at the time when users need to register and log in before posting. Please, address this or the site will suffer an exodus of regulars in no time. "

I'll support that. It will prevent obscenities and abuse, and it will prevent people logging on and pretending to be someone else.
27th Nov 08 05:11

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Freddie

Site admin.... Isn't the garbage below an indicator that we have arrived at the time when users need to register and log in before posting. Please, address this or the site will suffer an exodus of regulars in no time.
27th Nov 08 04:11

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nick

colored people should not be allowed to drive, those people are tailgaters and they are all reckless.
26th Nov 08 11:11

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kayla

I think old people should retake their test at 65, if they fail twice then they shouldn't be allowed to drive. Although they are a hazard to other drivers they deserve their freedom.
20th Nov 08 10:11

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MikeP

You can't expect children to act responsibly. Their postings on this forum only prove their lack of maturity and unsuitablility to participate in adult conversation.
16th Nov 08 01:11

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Ashamed to be English

To think, all those brave men and women of the first and second world wars gave their lives for a bunch of idiots as you. Grow-up you children and act responsibly on this forum.
16th Nov 08 12:11

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YOYOYO

I think every old person from the age of 65 and older should have to retake their drivers test.....
10th Nov 08 07:11

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Freddie

my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells
badd!
10th Nov 08 09:11

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grumpyoldwoman

Great example Freddie!
I hope this shuts up all those who disagree with the original gripe.
4th Nov 08 12:11

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Freddie

Well, this morning proved the point to me that slow drivers are indeed dangerous. I've said before on here that driving too slow is difficult to define whereas driving too fast is easy. So I'm going to give an example of driving too slow.
This morning I joined the A12 at a point where it is three lanes and largely resembles a motorway. The car ahead of me on the entrance ramp did not accelerate above 24 mph!!!
It then joined the carriageway at that speed in front of a lorry travelling at almost 60mph. I stayed on the entrance ramp and winced as the lorry steered dramatically into the middle lane but not before clipping the back wing of the car sending it up the enbankment. Fortunately nobody was hurt but the whole road came to a complete standstill. The driver of the car had the nerve to call the lorry driver a "f***ing idiot"!!!!!! Apparently the lorry was going far too fast! I couldn't believe what I was hearing. This dangerously slow driver had caused an accident yet blamed the 'high speed' of the lorry! I had followed this slow driver for almost 15 miles from my hometown to the A12 along a road with virtually no overtaking opportunities. I had followed him through 30mph, 40mph and 60mph speed limits. Not once did I exceed 30mph and often was down as low as 18mph.
Slow driving isn't dangerous? I beg to differ!
4th Nov 08 08:11

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my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells my but smells
3rd Nov 08 09:11

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Nikki

Well said Mike P and Grumpy.

Science : 42 is not old, at 42 a woman will still be fully fertile and can give birth. Heck, a woman of 48 can. Your name is an anomaly.
20th Oct 08 03:10

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MikeP

"old people cant drive over the age of 42. They are either to fast or to slow!
GET OF THE ROAD
science 20-Oct-2008 10:24 "

Illiterate idiots like you should not be allowed to drive. You are probably too stupid to understand the rules of the road, and it is likely that your mental weakness would make you a danger to other road users.

Older people tend to be wiser and more sensible, and better drivers. Maybe you don't know that insurance companies reduce premiums for older drivers for this reason.
20th Oct 08 11:10

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grumpyoldwoman

science,
I'm over 42, I can still drive, and, guess what?
I can spell and punctuate too!
20th Oct 08 10:10

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science

Forigners.old people.under age.drunken.high people can not drive :]
20th Oct 08 10:10

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science

old people cant drive over the age of 42. They are either to fast or to slow!
GET OF THE ROAD
20th Oct 08 10:10

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80yearoldvirgin

Well, I have been driving since the age of 79 and I aint ready to give up yet darlin's!
My toyboy boyfriend loves to drive with me, and we have great fun!
I like hitting those little trees with my bumper, it makes the birdies go twittwit splat.
ily tim.....x
14th Oct 08 12:10

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whipamearse

No old people should not driv! which person came up with that idea.for starters they smell of farts and fear and cabbage.AND on top of that they are not as good at seeing as we are!
10th Oct 08 07:10

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Nikki

Mentally yes ... physically no, sadly ! I daren't risk another speeding fine. Having attended the Speed Awareness Course for norty boys and girls, we were told that if we got flashed again within the next 3 years, we would lose our licences for 3 months I think it was.

I have noticed though that up to 30 mph, little Lucy, the Nissan Micra, leaves these twerps standing !
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So, Nikki, you're a grumpy old woman too!
Don't you just love beating boy racers off the traffic lights?
7th Oct 08 11:10

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Nikki

Well said grumpy old woman ! I am 54, 55 in January, and certainly do not consider myself to be old and past it. Sensible, yes, a careful driver, yes, but in the right circumstances I can shake a wheel at the youngsters !!

Many moons ago I used to race my MGA at Goodwood and other tracks ... great fun. I used to race off road enduro motorbikes as well, even when I was pregnant unbeknown to myself.

Youngsters? Huh !!
6th Oct 08 04:10

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I think old people should keep on driving! The day I stop driving is the day I sleep on a bed!
6th Oct 08 12:10

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55? Excuse me, I'm 54 and don't intend suddenly driving any slower next year than I do now, which is quite fast when I get the chance!! (See my comment about slowoldfart).
My husband drives fast too & he's 4 years older!
You must be very young if you think 55 is old, wait till you get there!
6th Oct 08 11:10

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slowoldfart, some of us actually need to get where we are going in a sensible amount of time, so if someone is smugly driving at a ridiculously low speed we have to go past!
I bet you have never been involved in an accident but see them happen all the time & it never enters your head you may have caused them!
AND, just bear in mind that lorries & those towing trailers cannot go into the third lane of a motorway, so if there is some slowoldfart in the middle lane (where they usually are!!) the lorry or trailer tower cannot legally pass them!
16th Sep 08 08:09

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After reading the crap on this site it's amazing most of you are still alive. But please, don't stop driving like demented loonies and thugs, the one thing that gives me great pleasure is knowing that sooner or later some of you are going to come unstuck in a big way. Remember , it will only hurt if you regain consciousness but Mum, Dad, or wifey will bear the pain for the rest of their lives.
16th Aug 08 07:08

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Hi Freddie : I believe I am one of those people who drive according to the speed limit, and am "accused" - either metaphorically or literally - of being a slow driver, and therefore dangerous. I am more than happy to drive at 30 mph or 40 mph when those limits are applied, in dry and clear conditions. What I am not prepared to do is to mindlessly drive at 30 in a 30 limit, or 40 in a 40 limit if it isn't safe - eg, very icy, heavy traffic, whatever the reason. Ditto on the motorway, I will not drive at 70 if I feel it is not safe to do so - strong cross winds, heavy traffic, wet road, whatever. This is commonsense and part of being a good, safe and experienced driver. If and when I feel I am a danger to myself and others, then I will hang up my driving shoes. I am a long ways away from this hopefully !

I am a firm believer in learning from experience. I had a bad experience, and I have learned from it. Speed kills, and whereas I was never a reckless driver before my accident, I cannot honestly say that I did not ever exceed the speed limit. I did, and at times I probably did exceed the speed limit to the point of being considered dangerous. I would almost always drive at around 40 through a 30 mph limit, and as a consequence, got caught. But I will not accept that because I have learned how dangerous it is to speed, that somehow I am now a danger !
27th Jul 08 10:07

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Hi Nikki, I think there are dangers associated to both fast and slow driving. The difference being that too fast is easily defined whereas too slow isn't. Too fast is clearly any speed above the speed limit. I sometimes think certain roads have their limit set too low personally, but if you exceed it then by law its too fast. The problem with too slow is that some drivers think 5mph under the limit is too slow whereas others think that 10mph under it is okay.
I believe that if, as a driver, you don't feel capable of doing 25mph in a 30 and 35mph in a 40 etc. when the conditions are dry and clear, then you should consider whether you should be driving. There are times of course when it simply isn't safe to do above 15mph but those times are rare.
One of the biggest dangers on the road is needless hesitance. You know the ones I mean, they cannot pull out from a junction unless there is no car visible for 30 miles! They slow down because a big lorry is coming the opposite direction even though they are on a main road with plenty of room. They are the slow drivers that are dangerous and they shouldn't be on the roads.
Unfortunately, so many people accuse drivers of being too slow when they are in fact just keeping within speed limits! That's plain ridiculous!
Caution over speed every time for me, but over cautious is as bad as being careless.
25th Jul 08 11:07

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Danny, maybe you should try driving in any of the tourist areas on 'the continent' at this time of the year and you will be held up by dawdling Dutchmen, braindead Belgians, snaillike Swiss, and the French who only have two speeds, snail slow or superfast up your rear bumper.
24th Jul 08 11:07

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Thanks for the advice Danny, but I do not need to book a track day at anywhere to overcome my fear. I used to race MGA's, and for a few years took part in enduro motorbike events. My nervousness is caused by an accident I had on the road whilst out riding a horse, nothing to do with cars. When such a traumatic event occurs, please believe me it would turn Stirling Moss into a nervous wreck.

I am not sure why you have got such a hang up about nervous drivers. A nervous driver is one who is aware of his limitations. Far preferable than the over-confident driver - let's take the little boy racer as an example of this - he possesses no skills, just a heck of a lot of testosterone fuelling his desire to speed. When things go wrong, he has no idea of how to get out of trouble. THIS my friend is danger indeed.
24th Jul 08 10:07

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Nikki, you are definitely a nervous driver, you should book a track day at mondello, or somewhere like that, to overcome your fear. Although 80KPH is not bad, I am referring to the people who drive at 30MPH on national roads, especially here in Galway.
I ride a bike and I am more aware of the danger of being knocked down by these bad nervous drivers who crawl along, clipping you with their wing mirror
To note, I am in my 30's and not a boy racer, and wont defend what they do, as a friend of mine was nearly killed only weeks ago by a boy racer. This is the other extreme.

Mike P, the continent is a big place, but I am referring to my driving experience in Spain, France Portugal, Greece and Italy, Ok you come across the odd older person driving slowly who I respect as someday I will be in the same boat.
But there is no excuse for some 30 year old to be crawling along at 30 MPH because of some nervous disposition, or lack of spatial awareness and co ordination,
24th Jul 08 07:07

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Nikki

Driving too slowly, apart from on a motorway could never be classified as dangerous in the same way that driving too fast is IMO. What IS dangerous would be to be bullied or forced into driving faster than YOU feel safe at driving because some stupid tw** up your chuff trying to chivvy you along!

I personally will take no notice of these idiots, although I am very tempted to wack my brakes on (not a good idea if I want to avoid a serious whiplash injury or worse). If, due to weather conditions, warning signs, whatever, I perceive it to be unsafe to travel faster than, say, 50 mph on a motorway, then I will drive at that speed or less, irrespective of whether some silly little boy racer wants to risk his life to get somewhere 10 seconds faster.

It is not possible to have a dialogue with the driver in front of you, it is up to everybody to drive at such speed that they maintain their braking distance and can stop in an emergency. It is that simple. It is not a question of whether or not one should drive at such and such a speed.
24th Jul 08 12:07

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MikeP

"How come they are so common over here whilst you dont see them on the continent"

You don't? Ypu obviously don't drive in the places I drive then ... the 'continent' is a big place! Or maybe you zip past them so fast you don't notice them. Otherwise a visit to the optician might be called for!
24th Jul 08 08:07

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Nikki, that is true also. I was making the point that driving too slow is just as dangerous. Everybody knows that excessive speeding is dangerous!
That was not my point. Drive at the correct speed limit depending on the road and the conditions. What generally happens is that if a person drives too slow (generally nervous drivers) , other people take unnecessary risks to overtake these clowns. How come they are so common over here whilst you dont see them on the continent.Back to my point about the Irish driving test.



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24th Jul 08 12:07

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Nikki

Danny, people who drive fast on main roads don't seem to realise the harm they cause either ! !

A friend of mine's best friend has just been flattened by a speeding Porsche driver whilst out jogging. He says he didn't see her, but she was wearing hi viz clothing in good visibility. The truth is he was driving too fast.

Far better to be held up for a few minutes by an old duffer tiddling along at 30 mph, than flattened by a little boy racer hurtling along at 90 mph with the driving skills of an ant.
22nd Jul 08 12:07

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I totally agree. A lot of people drive well below speed limit causing more harm on the road. The driving test in Ireland only tests driving ability in a city/town, People who drive slowly on main roads dont seem to realise the harm they cause. It is truly amazing. The driving test needs to be revised and perhaps people need to be regularly tested on the rules of the road. The test in Ireland is too easy,does not demand that you have been to an adequate number of lessons etc
21st Jul 08 09:07

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ali-

I so agree with you there about indicating especially when turning right. I drive artics so when fully laden at 44tonnes I take a long time to pull away and need a large gap due to being 60ft long but it infuriates me when I pull out as a car is clearly going straight on, yet low and behold its turning right with no signal. At least I'm not on a motorbike though and their actions will cause them to be worse off. I haven't had any of them beep me yet though but when they do, I will apply the handbrake, get and calmly tell them their indicators seem to be broken as they were not flashing.
19th Jul 08 10:07

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Nikki

I quite agree Dean, you take your life in your hands when you drive around those dang roudabouts in MK ! Especially if you are not that familiar with the place. Unfortunately, I have to visit there because my daughter lives in MK. I used to go down and see her on the train because she lived near the train station, but now lives right the other side of the city, so I have no choice.
8th Jul 08 04:07

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I was taught to use left lane for first exit, either lane for straight over (or second exit) and right lane for third exit or turning right. Milton Keynes drivers are nutters, almost as bad as Bedford. Best stay away from that part of the country.
30th Jun 08 01:06

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Nikki

Aha Petralava, you have touched upon one of life's great mysteries! I am with you all the way on this one, but my daughter, aged 21, tells me that I am in the wrong when I stick to the right on a roundabout if I am exiting on the 3rd exit. She lives in Milton Keynes, and they seem to have a completely different driving standard to mine. They go into a roundabout on the left lane, and exit on the 2nd or 3rd exit, and get extremely shirty if you do any different. I was taught that you went into a roundabout in the right hand lane, unless you were exiting at the first exit. I find the Milton Keynes way of doing things most alarming, particularly as they do it at about 100 mph !
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petralava

Mentioning roundabouts . . .

When did it become okay to enter a large roundabout (3 lanes) on the left lane, and leave at the 3rd exit??
Was I asleep when they changed the highway code?
I refer to the Lewisham roundabout in S.E London.
Good grief - you certainly need nerves of steel to take it on - and the reactions of a cobra, when a car cuts across your bow, from the left lane to get off the roundabout.
This is a fairly recent phenomenon I've noticed (and I "do" that roundabout every day) . . . and I might add, it's a certain type of driver who's the guilty party, usually driving your older Merc!
Slow? Nah! Just inconsiderate and down right dangerous!!!!
I shall say no more. ^__^
29th Jun 08 01:06

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see ya, wouldn't want to b

This nitwit who is complaining about slow drivers is one selfish fool. Why don't we just take EVERYONE off the road beside you? I doubt even that would make you happy. The truth about older people is that they deserve to be able to drive even if it not up to your selfish standards. I would bet your driving skills aren't worth a crap actually so don't start throwing stones if you live in a glass house. If someone who is older has to give up being able to drive they give up their independence to be able to take care of themselves, and even though some may like others catering to them, many do not. If they give up their freedom and ability to get around that is giving up a lot. Take your car away and lets see how you do when you are up there in age. So instead of asking for common sense, which you obvioucly have very little of, ask for compassion in understanding the needs of others instead of your own slefish needs. So I gave you something else to complain about and I would bet you are happy as can be since some are not truely happy unless they are complaining.
28th Jun 08 07:06

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ali

I have noticed more and more drivers not indicating and slowing down at roundabouts.

I tend to beep them and often get the usual hand jestures etc. Cheek!

It's so hard to use indicators eh!
28th Jun 08 01:06

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If you can't be patient, don't drive. I wonder how many accidents are caused by impatient drivers?
24th Jun 08 03:06

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they should stay on the road it gives you something to laugh at on long journeys

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Nikki, You're not what people are classing as a slow driver. As you say, you do 20 in a 20, 30 in a 30 etc. The problem lies with drivers that do 20 in a 30, 30 in a 40, 35-45 in a 60. These are the people that are driving too slow and causing frustration among other road users.
24th Jun 08 12:06

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Nikki, I'll give you a little tip, the next time someone is on your bumper flashing their lights, pull over (if safe to do so!!) and let them go past you. It's your choice to drive at a stupidly slow 30mph, it's my choice however to go faster than that. If I then get penalised, its my fault and not yours! There is nothing more irritating than being stuck behind somone poodeling along, especially on a big open road, just because the law says so. I'm sorry but to me, and I'm sure to many others, the law is not always correct. I got 6 points for doing 83 in a 50mph, but wait for it, it was 4 in the morning, there were no other cars around and the speed limit had just dropped from 70 and straight away there was a speed camera. Would you say that's fair or justifiable Nikki, just because it's the law?!
24th Jun 08 12:06

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Nikki: You're missing the point. It isn't the speed that kills the child, it's the inability of the driver to figure out what was a sensible speed to be driving given the surroundings. A speed limit is not the answer and I'll give you an example:- It is safe to drive at 150mph down the centre lane of the M6 at 4 am on Christmas Morning yet it is illegal! It is not however safe to drive at 30mph through Picadilly circus at 9am on a Monday morning yet it is legal! My point is that the problem is not with the speed being driven but with the surroundings and ability of the driver.
Drivers that drive excessively fast are undoubtedly dangerous as they invariably lack the skills to do so, but similarly those that drive far too slow can also be dangerous. They invariably drive too slow because they are unable to react quickly to their surrouundings. You could fairly argue that they are driving within their abilities and are therefore exercising good judgement, but too often it is because thier driving skills have deteriorated to a below acceptable standard yet they continue to drive. These people are undoubtedly dangerous and definitely exist. My father should no longer drive, fact, yet he continues to do so. He has never had an accident in over 50 years of driving yet recently he has told me of several 'idiots' that have had accidents near him. Listening to his explanation of said accidents it is clear that his lack of speed was a contributing factor in some of them. Are slow drivers dangerous? Without a doubt!
24th Jun 08 12:06

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24th Jun 08 12:06

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Nikki, I'll give you a little tip, the next time someone is on your bumper flashing their lights, pull over (if safe to do so!!) and let them go past you. It's your choice to drive at a stupidly slow 30mph, it's my choice however to go faster than that. If I then get penalised, its my fault and not yours! There is nothing more irritating than being stuck behind somone poodeling along, especially on a big open road, just because the law says so. I'm sorry but to me, and I'm sure to many others, the law is not always correct. I got 6 points for doing 83 in a 50mph, but wait for it, it was 4 in the morning, there were no other cars around and the speed limit had just dropped from 70 and straight away there was a speed camera. Would you say that's fair or justifiable Nikki, just because it's the law?!
17th Jun 08 03:06

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8th May 08 11:05

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Also 'obvious' take a chill pill! and I'll see you next week ;)
24th Apr 08 02:04

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22nd Apr 08 03:04

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they should stay on the road it gives you something to laugh at on long journeys

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22nd Apr 08 03:04

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I have nothing against old people driving as long as they follow the speed limit, where I live a lot of asian people drive very slow, some go 10mph under the speed limit, people should just drive the speed limit, if they are going slow saty in the slow lane.
23rd Mar 08 11:03

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Nikki

Thank you for that, Obvious, but you are 1 in a million with such a reasonable attitude! I get drivers sitting on my bumper, flashing their lights, because I am doing 30 in, admittedly, a totally ridiculous place in the middle of nowhere, but the limit is 30, so I do 30. I don't give a flying whatsit about whether or not he is in a hurry, but I do care at losing my licence, which is what will happen to me if I get another speeding fine.

I've learned my lesson, but I wish that impatient drivers wouldn't try and bully law abiding citizens into breaking the law.
14th Jan 08 07:01

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Nikki, You're not what people are classing as a slow driver. As you say, you do 20 in a 20, 30 in a 30 etc. The problem lies with drivers that do 20 in a 30, 30 in a 40, 35-45 in a 60. These are the people that are driving too slow and causing frustration among other road users.
13th Jan 08 08:01

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I take the point you are making Obvious, but I still do not agree that slow drivers are dangerous. I classify myself as a slow driver ... in other words, I stick scrupulously to the speed limit, driving 20 in a 20, 30 in a 30 etc. etc. No little boy racer up my backside flashing his lights and hooting is going to make me go faster. Yet, if I had to suddenly brake because a child had darted out across the road, he would run into the back of me and doubtless try and blame me for driving too slowly!

I am quite capable of driving at 70 on the motorway when in my husband's Audi Estate, but when in my little Nissan Micra on a very windy motorway, I do not feel safe driving at 70, and so therefore don't. I do not see how or why this could be classified as being dangerous. It would be very dangerous indeed if I sped along at 70 and my car was blown over.
10th Jan 08 05:01

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Nikki: You're missing the point. It isn't the speed that kills the child, it's the inability of the driver to figure out what was a sensible speed to be driving given the surroundings. A speed limit is not the answer and I'll give you an example:- It is safe to drive at 150mph down the centre lane of the M6 at 4 am on Christmas Morning yet it is illegal! It is not however safe to drive at 30mph through Picadilly circus at 9am on a Monday morning yet it is legal! My point is that the problem is not with the speed being driven but with the surroundings and ability of the driver.
Drivers that drive excessively fast are undoubtedly dangerous as they invariably lack the skills to do so, but similarly those that drive far too slow can also be dangerous. They invariably drive too slow because they are unable to react quickly to their surrouundings. You could fairly argue that they are driving within their abilities and are therefore exercising good judgement, but too often it is because thier driving skills have deteriorated to a below acceptable standard yet they continue to drive. These people are undoubtedly dangerous and definitely exist. My father should no longer drive, fact, yet he continues to do so. He has never had an accident in over 50 years of driving yet recently he has told me of several 'idiots' that have had accidents near him. Listening to his explanation of said accidents it is clear that his lack of speed was a contributing factor in some of them. Are slow drivers dangerous? Without a doubt!
7th Jan 08 09:01

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I cant understand how some people on here seem to defend slow drivers when it seems clear to me if you are not confident to drive 60 in a 60 and 70 on a dual carriageway or motorway THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ON THE ROAD!! people who are not confident to drive 70 on a motorway should have their license revoked the majority of people in this country are good safe drivers but there's people who need to get off the road and onto the bus. and for people who drive 2.0l cars and think its fair to drive less than 70 down a slip road what about the 1.0l behind you who will take ages to get to 70 and cause mayhem when its the idiot in fronts fault!
7th Jan 08 01:01

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Nikki

how obvious: it doesn't matter how brilliant a driver you are, even Lewis Hamilton himself. If a child, a dog, a wild animal, jumps out in front of you, everyone has a better chance of survival if you are going 30 than if you are going 60. Hit a child at 30, that child will have an 80% chance of surviving. Hit a child at 40 (or it may be 50, can't remember, senior moment!), that child has an 80% of dying. It's as simple as that.
21st Dec 07 01:12

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how obvious is it?

Look guys let get something straight....SPEED DOES NOT KILL.
What kills is poor judgement and poor driving ability.
It isn't the car doing 90mph that kills somebody. It's the pillock behind the wheel that is exceeding his/her driving abilities that is at fault.
Lewis Hamilton and his colleagues could safely drive well in excess of the speed limit in most places whereas some people should not even get behind the wheel as they cannot drive safely at any speed.

Don't blame the 150mph car, blame the 10mph brain!
10th Dec 07 03:12

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Babe

I don't understand your posting, the point you are trying to make. Please explain.
9th Dec 07 10:12

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old people will die at the wheel
there a dangerous thing
5th Dec 07 02:12

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Nikki

William: very well said my friend. All this rush, rush rush on our roads, and you end up getting to your destination no faster than you would have had you stuck to the speed limit - it makes no sense to me.
30th Oct 07 08:10

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William

Motorists should cope with all different kinds of drivers, whether the driver infront of them is driving slowly or some nutter is about to speed past you and cut you up while narrowly missing the oncoming traffic.

The slow driver only really becomes a hazard if drivers behind him become impatient and attempt a dangerous manoeuvre inorder to overtake.

I'm happy to stick to the speed limit (or 60mph on the dual carriageways) because I don't want to risk points on my licence. Driving should be enjoyable, there is no need to rush if you leave plenty of time for your journey and no point to be angry with idiots who speed and drive dangerously. They will get realise their wrong doing when they end of in a ditch or in their next life.
24th Oct 07 01:10

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William

Motorists should cope with all different kinds of drivers, whether the driver infront of them is driving slowly or some nutter is about to speed past you and cut you up while narrowly missing the oncoming traffic.

The slow driver only really becomes a hazard if drivers behind him become impatient and attempt a dangerous manoeuvre inorder to overtake.

I'm happy to stick to the speed limit (or 60mph on the dual carriageways) because I don't want to risk points on my licence. Driving should be enjoyable, there is no need to rush if you leave plenty of time for your journey and no point to be angry with idiots who speed and drive dangerously. They will get realise their wrong doing when they end of in a ditch or in their next life.
24th Oct 07 12:10

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Arthur

I thought that learner drives had to learn to cope with all situations, including rush hour.
4th Oct 07 05:10

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Nikki

The Highway Code is based on simple common sense. It is a good guide to driving safely. And ADI 6 speaks with good sense.

I stand by my opinion that if you drive within the speed limit set - 30, 60 or 70 - you will get there just the same, but legally. A little boy racer came hurtling past me last night on my journey home - overtook me on a blind bend, a car was coming from the other direction, I had to ram my brakes on to give him space otherwise he and the oncoming driver and probably myself would have been killed. Two miles further on down the road where it joins the A5 I caught up with him. So he risked the lives of 3 people for nothing.

Speed kills, careful sensible driving does not. Follow the Highway Code and there would be very few accidents on our roads.
2nd Oct 07 10:10

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ADI 6

It's correct to say that driving too slowly is not safe. The example of drivers who join a motorway from the slip road at too low a speed is a good one.

However, it is still the responsibility of all road users to compensate for the mistakes of others. And quite simply, if all road users (including cyclists and pedestrians) would read and follow The Highway Code there would be no accidents, other than those caused by mechanical failure.

Around 3,000 people a year are killed on UK roads. It's all totally avoidable. People are selfish and hypocritical. Someone will criticise another driver for pulling out in front of them at a dangerous juction, but fail to see that had they anticipated the danger, and slowed down beforehand, there would be no near miss, and no need for dramatic braking.

Would everyone please remember that The Highway Code is not only for reading the night before your driving test, and then being dumped in the rubbish bin. Read it, follow it, and do your bit for keeping the roads safe.

Following the Highway Code does not mean you need to drive like a novice.
28th Sep 07 11:09

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Nikki

It is not the slower driver that causes the carnage, it is the driver behind who allows himself to get hot under the collar and impatient. You get there just as quickly whether you drive at the speed limit, as you do if you go like a bat out of hell. And a good deal safer, causing less pollution, using less fuel (so therefore cheaper) and a lot calmer.

SPEED kills, not slow drivers.
12th Sep 07 08:09

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We suffer from the "Slow Driver Menace" in New Zealand too. Our 'Road Code' clearly states that if you are driving at a speed less than the posted limit and traffic is behind you, you MUST pull over to let the following traffic pass as soon as it is safe to do so. This does not mean waiting for a passing lane or for when it is convenient for you - you MUST pull over AS SOON AS IT IS SAFE TO DO SO.

There have been several studies done (one in Canada & one in Australia that I know of) that show the astounding number of accidents (and fatalities) that are caused by slow drivers failing to allow faster traffic to pass. The incredible ignorance of these slow drivers invariably frustrates otherwise responsible drivers to the point that they will often try to overtake the slow vehicle with disasterous results. These slow drivers are just ignorant and selfish killers. The real shame is that they often escape the carnage themselves and continue on to cause more frustration.
10th Sep 07 06:09

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BAD drivers! Sunday drivers that come out through the week. Oh please! Why have you gone to a car showroom and picked the fastest car there is, only to drive it at 25 miles an hour. why? It confuses me as to why you need a 2 litre when a 1.1 would have done you just as well! And lorry drivers... just exactly how much of the road do you need? And some tractor drivers get a buzz out of seeing how many cars they can accumulate behind them! I'm sure they have a betting ring going... and last but not least cyclists...having a conversation with your two other mates while your on a bendy dangerous road isn't nice..surely you drive too?
30th Aug 07 11:08

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You should have more common sense! Speed is the main cause of accidents, having myself being hit by a speeding motorist.
25th Jul 07 02:07

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I have noticed that every car I see that has a christian fish on the back is piloted by a totally hopeless driver. Do they think that being a holy joe gives you the right not to use indicators, not to acknowledge when we let you out of junctions, to drive everywhere at 35mph in your Volvos and Honda Jazzes? Learn some road sense and read the Highway Code instead of wasting time believing in all that fundementalist drivel. Take it from me you will be a bit more wise in the ways of motoring.
22nd Jun 07 01:06

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Acle: LOL - very good, I like it. Long may you prosper and live to annoy all the little boy racers!
14th Jun 07 07:06

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Haven't you twigged on to the fact why all us old drivers go slow? It's to see how much we can upset and annoy.If you wish to criticise us , the more we will do it. so there!!!!
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My mum never took a test either - she learned to drive in the WRNS during the war - she's around 84 too, and a pretty neat driver. Fast too, but safe.
5th Jun 07 11:06

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My Dad is 84, lives on a remote farm in Norfolk, has never taken a driving test (his WWII tank licence was converted to cars in 1946), is pretty deaf and I very much doubt that he would pass the minimum sight requirements (he doesn't wear glasses). He still drives, sometimes under the influence of a little alcohol.

On the face of it, he should be banned or forced to take the driving test! However, that would simply destroy his life, as there is insufficient public transport and no local shops since the post office closed (many thanks current Government, not). Thankfully, and I know this is going to sound anti-social, he doesn't drive slowly.

Prejudice is generally a bad thing, but we all indulge in it. I won't discriminate on the basis of race, creed or colour, but if you drive too slowly... I want to kill you!!

Human Race. The clue's in the tiltle.
4th Jun 07 07:06

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Nikki

Anon: that is a very interesting point re the stats. However, until 4 years ago I used to work for our local police, and the motorcycle boys always used to say that the older drivers were involved in less accidents purely because they didn't drive as fast. As you say though, this is not to say that the same older drivers didn't CAUSE accidents. It's another way of looking at it.
24th May 07 09:05

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I used to work in the motor claims department for a well-known company for the over 50's. The company told us that although their advertising was true in that older drivers are involved in fewer accidents, the ones that they ARE involved in are much more likely to be their fault - if I remember rightly it was something along the lines of 20% higher than the general population. The minute the policyholder had a couple of claims the premium rocketed (we're talking an extra amount on top of losing no claims bonus). So don't believe all you hear about older/slower drivers being safer - they just tend to do less miles than the general population therefore are only safer statistically rather than in practice.
24th May 07 09:05

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Nikki

No boltings, not at all. You are correct when you say that as we get older, our reactions slow down, of course. However, accordingly, most drivers will slow their driving down to match their reactions. This is good commonsense, and is why insurance companies charge older drivers less for their policies than younger ones. Not only is insurance cheaper for older people, frequently younger people can't get fully comp. insurance, only third party.

Ask any insurance company who are the safer drivers - the old or the young. Facts are facts and cannot be argued with.

Speed causes accidents, not slower sensible driving. Of course, if you get someone aged 80 driving a Porsche 911 like a maniac, then that's another kettle of fish, but most 80 year old's have learned a bit of sense - not all, but most ! (Otherwise they probably would not have reached the age of 80 !)

I do agree though that at, say, 60 or 65, it would be a good idea for everyone to have to sit a theory exam and perform a driving test, plus have an eye test as well.
22nd May 07 10:05

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It is true, most old people can not drive to the standard they did when they were young. Reactions slow down past the age of around 55. The eye sight lessons around that age as well. I feel that medical tests and ability tests should be brought in when a person reaches 55, and banned from driving at 65. This will make the roads safer.
20th May 07 09:05

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Nikki

All of a sudden there have been some really intelligent people posting on this thread.
8th May 07 12:05

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I like pie. Do you like pie? cause I love pie. it's great! especcially blueberry, blackberry, apple, all kinds of pie. And im not even fat! aint that great? If I was, man would that suck. I really dont want to be fat, and if I ended up being fat, or even worse, obese, I would be ummmmm, yeah.
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7th May 07 08:05

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Hairy pie! it tastes so good because its hairy!It has the extra hairy taste
7th May 07 08:05

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I agree that people should not go slow on the highway. I like pie. Now the amazing pee flavourd pie! Buy it now!
7th May 07 08:05

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Dumd didily dee, were off to see the pee. It is yellow!
7th May 07 08:05

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I like pie. It's fun to eat pie on the highway! I like pie! Yabba dabba doo!
7th May 07 08:05

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I agree to this subject. People ARE driving WAY too slow, and I even once saw some idiot woman driving slow on a highway, the she ripped in front of a truck with huge trailers on it, and she didn't drive ANY faster than before, so the truck driver slammed on the brakes, and almost ripped into the back of her car, and she was lucky that the truck didn't, otherwise she would have gotten quite a big dent in the back of her car.
7th May 07 08:05

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I agree that drivers going to slow is just as much of a problem as people driving to fast. People shouldn't just go to slow. Some people are actually in a hurry. If someone was doing that in rush hour I would be really annoyed. People shouldn't be driving slow even on SUNDAYS. Somebody could get really hurt.
7th May 07 08:05

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Freddie: I absolutely agree with everything you say. And no, I'm not an "Aunty Fanny" (the male equivalent being Uncle Arthur) - so named by my father to describe people of a Certain Age out for a jaunt in the countryside on a nice sunny day !! I always drive up to the speed limit if safe to do so, but certainly round some of our narrow country lanes in this area, it is very rarely safe to do this, so I don't, it's as simple as that. But practically every day I have to suffer some prat - often the same one! - coming right up my rear end and sitting on my bumper because I have slowed down to 30 through a 30-limited section of the road. There is no way in a million years he is going to bully me into getting a move on, even though on this particular stretch of road a 30 mph limit is ridiculous, it has to be said. I do not want any more points on my licence.

You sound like a very sensible copper btw.
24th Apr 07 01:04

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Nikki... you are right in what you say but I think that driving too slow can also be a problem as drivers behind become impatient and take ridiculous risks to get past. I think we have all seen it. I have been to several accidents in my former life as a plod and they are invariably caused by speed. I don't generally speed, except to occasionally overtake but I do understand the frustration of being behind a particularly slow driver. I have no problem at all with 25-30 in a 30, 35-40 in a 40 and up to 60 in a 60. I must admit however that I get annoyed with 20 in a 30, 25 in a 40 and 35 in a 60.
There is a difference between driving at a sensible slow speed and driving at a ridiculously slow speed (not that I am suggesting that you drive too slow). Let me state again, I do not advocate speeding and fully accept that on the odd occasion I am as guilty as anybody else. I am not claiming to be perfect ( I save that claim for my wife LOL), but I am generally a good driver.
If anybody is behind me and they think that I am going too slow for the road and conditions then they should ask themselves this. 'Have you ever pulled a dead child from a car wreck?. I have and believe me it is the most sickening thing I have ever had to do.
Lets be patient and tolerant of other road users and consider the effect of our actions on others. Driving too slow is as dangerous as driving too fast. Not because you may have an accident but because you may cause one!

We used to have a saying in the police that accidents were often caused by a 120mph car being driven by a 10mph brain.
23rd Apr 07 10:04

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Nikki

Freddie: I couldn't agree more. It is absolutely outrageous that these people can come sweeping onto the motorway in their lorry, or large 4 x 4, whatever, and force someone in a small car into braking to avoid becoming luncheon meat. It is one of my pet hates - it is the height of bad manners, and it is illegal, but it happens to me at least once every time I have to venture force onto a motorway. When I'm in my Micra, it is really scarey, when I'm driving OH's Merc it's not quite so scarey, but alarming just the same. I am more than happy to courteously allow traffic to merge into the flow in front of me, and whenever safe to do so, I do, but I take great objection to bully boy tactics.
23rd Apr 07 08:04

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Nikki

Monty Van Cleef: I didn't think I needed to state the obvious, but it looks like I should have done. Of course if it is safe to move out into the middle lane and not slow down, then I would do so, but certainly round here the M1 is so chock full the whole time, it is virtually NEVER safe or possible to do so. Thus, when some idiot is hurtling down the slip road at 90 in his 4 x 4 and I am driving along in my little Nissan Micra at a SENSIBLE speed of 60 - if you don't want to become Big Car Lunch, you would have to be a braver person than I to keep on going and not slow down.

I have been driving since I was 17, in other words for 36 years. During those 36 years, I have raced my MGA in car club meetings on a variety of tracks, with never so much as a scrape. I have owned several very large and powerful cars, with never a scratch, although I am ashamed to say I have been booked for speeding, although the fastest I was doing was 40 in a 30 mph limit, and the slowest was 34!, but apart from that, I consider myself to be an extremely competent and sensible driver. Having been booked for speeding, I now stick like glue to the speed limit, something which seems to promote complete and utter road rage in less competent drivers than myself. I am absolute rubbish at flower arranging, and in any case do not have time for such luxuries. However, I think you will find that if you slow down and drive AT or below the speed limit, you will get to your O So Important Meeting just as quickly as if you drive fast, something which you blatantly do judging by your statements.
23rd Apr 07 08:04

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Freddie

Monty you are missing the point. Obviously you can move to the middle lane, provided that it is safe to do so! The point is that somebody joining a motorway cannot expect to just ease on to the carriageway with priority over those already on it. I said it in my previous post. You have to adopt a 'live and let live' approach to 'right of way'. The problem comes when you are unable to move and the joining vehicle forces its way in, often causing you to brake harsh or swerve, and then gives you the two fingers for not moving. People do not understand the rules of the road in this country. Personally I am in favour of regular testing of skills, knowledge and attitude in order for drivers to keep their licence.
23rd Apr 07 02:04

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Monty Van Cleef

Well actually, you shouldn’t have to slow down to “let these maniacs in.” Instead of slowing down (in turn slowing other road users down), you move into the middle lane to clear the way for the vehicles joining onto the motorway via the slip road. It is precisely these people in piddling little Nissan Mircras crawling along not knowing what bloody speed they need to be doing that causes all the problems at these slip roads on the motorway. Indeed, I have seen this all too often in my many years as driving as a very capable motorist. Capable motorist I hear you gasp? Yes I am a capable motorist who doesn’t drive like a slug on crack cocaine. I drive at a bloody decent speed which doesn’t impede other motorists and make them late for their important things like meetings - not for some bedevilled flower arranging class with Ethel or Clarisse.
23rd Apr 07 12:04

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Nikki

Thank you Freddie - you've stuck you're neck out and said it - I didn't want to simply because I didn't want to be shot down in flames, as I usually am when I say something that most people don't like. You should indeed come to a complete standstill if you need to, but people don't, they just sail out onto the motorway and expect everyone to give way to them. When you are driving in the slow lane in a Nissan Micra, as I do, it is very scarey and you have to be a braver person than I to not slow down and allow these maniacs in.
19th Apr 07 12:04

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Freddie

Sorry Nikki but there is a hard and fast rule for joining a motorway. You have to give way to vehicles already on that road and if that means coming to a stop then so be it. The real problem is that too many drivers are, and I don't know how to word this best, childish? and won't give way to others so that the roads run smoother. There is too much of the 'my right of way' attitude and not enough of the 'lets all get along' approach to motoring. I am even guilty of it at times myself, as I suspect we all are.
19th Apr 07 09:04

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Nikki

If the weight of traffic is such that you need to join the motorway at 40, 30 or 20, then so be it. If you are one of these people who hurtle down the slip road and drive out on the motorway irrespective of what other traffic is doing, then YOU are going to come a cropper. I just hope you don't take some other poor unfortunate motorist with you.

There are no hard and fast rules - you just have to use your commonsense and if that means having to slow right down before it is safe to join the motorway, then that is what you must do. You cannot generalise.
19th Apr 07 09:04

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An opressed young person.

I see a lot of people clearly missed the point of this wonderful article. Joining the motorway at 40 miles an hour is about a safe as drinking sulphuric acid. Just cos you've been driving 30 years it doesn't mean you are a good drivier. It usually means your just lucky.
18th Apr 07 09:04

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HOW BLOODY DARE YOU knock my father without even knowing him! He may be 86, but he has the mind and body of a 60 year old. He is on his feet for most of the day gardening and pottering around, he was 6 foot tall, now shrunk to about 5' 8" and weighs around 10 stone. He is as fit as a fiddle, has survived prostate cancer and bladder cancer and is as tough as old boots. Because of men like my father you, you pathetic excuse for a human being, are alive today. My father fought in Italy, the desert and elsewhere, in tanks during the Second World War, and is more than capable of driving a Ford Escort. He is an extremely good driver and out of deference to his age drives slower than he used to. This does not mean that he is a danger to himself and to other road users, it means that he is a sensible man, something that clearly you are not if you labour under the misapprehension that slow drivers are a menace

SPEED KILLS. Anyone with half a brain cell should be able to understand this. Just because the speed limit is such and such, that does NOT mean that that is the speed you should drive at. You should drive at the speed appropriate for the road on which you are driving, and if that means doing 30 or even less because the road is covered in cow pats, mud, ice, whatever, then one should slow down. This is commonsense - something that my father has a-plenty.

You can criticise me as much as you want, but do not insult my father.
16th Apr 07 10:04

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Monty Van Cleef

Nikki, I would like to know why your dad is actually on the road at 86 years of age! Are you stark raving bonkers for letting a man of such an age behind a wheel!? In addition, you say he does 50mph in a 60mph zone? If he took his driving test now I would like to hedge a very large sum of money on the bet that he’d fail, terribly. I hope by the time I get to 70 somebody takes my licence off me and makes me get a bloody taxi or a bus. Buses are free these days aren’t they for our OAP friends?

Slow drivers are an absolute menace and threat to our society and roads. I wish they’d put speed cameras up which would catch a few people driving a ridiculously low speeds.

Bring on the autobahn I say! Whos with me!?
16th Apr 07 04:04

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Nikki

Brook-Tiger: Unfortunately if you break the speed limit sooner or later the speed cameras will get you. I've taken the sensible view that if you can't beat them, join them. That way, I won't get banned and my insurance premiums won't rocket.
25th Mar 07 08:03

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I think old people should get a life and take a risk! They need to drive FASTER! How would you feel driving behind a 48 mph driver for a 30minute drive? I WOULD BUMP THEM IN THE BEHIND! I get it and all that they want to be a safe driver but common people got to drive faster!
23rd Mar 07 03:03

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Nikki

I'm absolutely steaming! I got told off this morning on the way to work by a young whipper snapper young enough to be my son for driving at 30 mph in a 30 mph limit !! He rapped on the window when I had stopped at a roundabout. I asked him if he thought it was my fault that there was a 30 mph limit on a stretch of country road in the middle of nowhere, and he replied what the ******* hell did I want to slow down to 30, he very nearly drove into the back of me! I told him that fairly frequently there is a speed trap located off the road in the gateway to a field, so therefore he would be well advised to stick to the speed limit along that stretch of road, and he hurled a few more choice expletives at me and drove off - at very high speed in a 30 mph limit. Hope the little swine got flashed by a camera!
22nd Mar 07 10:03

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Nikki

No it most certainly is not. SPEED kills - and old people are on the whole too sensible and wise to drive faster than they are capable of. My father is 86, and because he recognises that his reactions are probably half as fast as they were when he was 18, he drives around 50 in a 60 speed limit, and never faster than 70 on the motorway - which is, in any case, the speed limit.

It's all very well batting along at 70 on a country road, but most of us, whether we be young or old, just do not have the skill to get out of trouble when something goes wrong. Speed alone does not kill - but speed without the driving skills to handle it DOES - and sadly it is usually the young that fall into this category. Not always - I know a few Hells Angel grannies who should know better - but mostly.
12th Mar 07 08:03

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old people drive to slow you could be on the high way and older people will be going 2mph. witch is just as bad as speeders mabe even worse
12th Mar 07 03:03

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Nikki

As you get older, your reactions slow up, so I for one am very thankful that old people drive slowly. Just trying being a bit more tolerant - you get there just as quickly whether you drive at 50 or 70. You'll be old one day.
3rd Mar 07 08:03

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You are not the fastest driver in the West. There is always someone with a faster more powerful car than yours. They will think whatever speed you drive at is a feeble speed. Road rage rules.

Die you swine; get out of my way! Huh! you're only driving a meagre Honda. Die, move out of my lane. I've got machine guns fitted to my bonnet. I am going to use them. Die, you miserable worm. Once I pass you I am going to spray you and your windscreen with mud and all manner of gunge. Just die.
2nd Mar 07 06:03

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Sometimes I like to roll around on the busy street. One time an old person hit me. It wasnt too hard just enough to cause some major swelling around my vital organs and caused me to have frequent nosebleeds
2nd Mar 07 05:03

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Old people drive way toooo slow! I think that we definately need to establish laws that require senior citizens to renew their lisence after the age of sventy and every other year after that.
2nd Mar 07 05:03

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Wayne: you are truly a man after my own heart! I have just endured a nightmarish journey back from Dartmoor with my OH: he asked me if I would mind driving after we had stopped off at a Services on the M5, and I said no, not at all. However, he did nothing but criticise me for the next 100 miles - I was going too slow, had I seen that ditch on the side of the road, why hadn't I done this, that or the other. I got so fed up that by the time we stopped at Banbury for petrol I was willing to allow him to drive from thereon in. The journey for the next 50 or so miles consisted of him smashing the axle of the car not once but twice by driving into a large hole on the side of the road, speeding far too fast around at least two bends so that he nearly lost control, and speeding through several villages where, had the cameras been working, he would have been "flashed" and booked for speeding. There is no need to speed, you get there just as fast by sticking to the speed limit - if only OH would agree - before we have a Divorce!
10th Feb 07 08:02

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Wayne

For the last 2 years I have been travelling at between 56-60 and have found that leaving home 15 minutes early solves a lot of problems with congestion therefore enabling me to travel at low speed. I can save at least 10 pounds a week on the cost of petrol, tyres seem to last longer but I will need another few more years to confirm this I am more relaxed and in control of my car, I notice more of the scenery and can easily get nearly 500miles from a full tank.

At least 90 percent of my journey is on a motorway with 3 lanes, if its raining, foggy or at night then I will just do the speed limit, because it is just common sense. But whilst travelling at 56 I just let the trucks pass and flash them to let them know it is safe for them to pull in front on me and the majority of times they will say thank you by switching their indicators.

My work colleagues mock me but I have the last laugh because I now enjoy my journeys and would happily recommend that other people change their driving style.
1st Feb 07 09:02

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Nikki

Brilliant Mike, well said! I intensely dislike driving any faster than 60 now. I may be pushed to do 70 on a motorway if the weather is fine, but I feel much more comfortable at 60.
27th Jan 07 11:01

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All,

Thank you (some of you) for your support.

Perhaps I should point out that I don’t drive at 60 mph on the motorway all the time, I don’t hold up traffic in the quicker lanes, I don’t do it because I am old and jittery, and I don't do it because my car seems particularly unsafe... I travel at 60 ish because I think it is about the fastest speed at which I am be prepared to travel in a little tin box (surrounded by other tin boxes driven by suicidal nutters!) I am able to do it without too much bother because I'm not a commercial traveller (thank the Lord) and I allow myself a sensible amount of time for my journeys.

How come? Well 5 years ago getting 6 points on my license for speeding in 1 week taught me a lesson! I was very cross at the time, but I had to slow down, I had to drive more carefully, and I certainly did learn a lesson. In an odd sort of way I'm now almost grateful that I got those points because I am sure they have made me a much better and safer driver. What’s more, driving has become a much more pleasant, relaxing experience! I am no longer part of that particular rat race!

I challenge anyone to try it! Slow down, steer into the slow lane, take your time, enjoy the scenery. Watch the loonies fly past at 90 mph in the fast lane, only to end up having to stand on the brakes as they race up to the car in front of them, and you too will feel like taking your foot off the gas, because you suddenly realise it's all so unnecessary and all so dangerous.

It's amazing how much more time you have to take in the road at 60 mph. It's much easier to adjust your driving for unpredictable situations and allow for other people's mistakes. Driving is just not a particularly stressful (or macho) experience any more!

I really do think we all need to just slow down, and I am convinced that many people who say they hate the idea would, like myself, actually come to appreciate it if they were forced to do so by law.
25th Jan 07 05:01

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Mike,

Lorries do 60mph but people don't complain about them much. Providing you are using proper, sensible, lane discipline and not being a "middle lane hogger" (i.e. staying in Lane 2 when Lane 1 is empty) then driving at 60 on a motorway should not be a problem to anybody.
24th Jan 07 09:01

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Mike: I too feel comfortable driving at 60 on motorways. Having only a Nissan Micra, I don't feel safe going faster than that speed, although I will venture as fast as 70 in my husband's merc ! If you don't feel safe driving at high speed, then you shouldn't do so because you are a danger to yourself and other road users if you are jittery. there is no law to say that you HAVE to drive at 70 on the motorway, but there IS a law to say that you mustn't drive faster than 70. If someone wants to drive at 60, then I can see nothing wrong with that.
23rd Jan 07 09:01

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Mike

Hi,
I'm entering this conversation because I have just been told by some of my friends that I am (a) a risk, and (b) at risk because I often drive at 60 mph on our local motorway. This, I have been assured by these self appointed experts, is dangerous driving because I am causing other drivers problems when they have to slow down from 85 or 90 mph to get round me or others who pull out to go past me!

I was so astonished by the total contempt these people show for speed limits (and why they exist) and their lack of understanding of road safety issues in general that I have spent much of my morning reading up on road safety.

In studies conducted worldwide, there are clear and defining links between speed, crashes and injury which narrow down (with a few complex exceptions) to one simple fact: the faster you travel in a car, the more likely you are to crash and injur yourself or someone else in that crash.

As a society we would not accept excuses for speeding from a train driver or an airline pilot who had killed people because he was rushing to get to an interview or an appointment and had opted not to follow his training and company safety procedures, but we seem happy to allow our motorists to kill and maim people by the thousand when they chose to break the law and speed for one silly reason or another. Often (as witnessed on this site) these reckless drivers seem to think they know more than all the emergency services and government agencies combined. They think the speed limit does not apply to them, because they are skilled drivers, and it's the other idiots who cause the problems. When will they learn it's speeding drivers who are the problem? And when will we learn that we as a society are the idiots for putting up with them?
23rd Jan 07 02:01

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Nikki

UK Driving Instructor: it is obvious that you are one, because you talk a lot of sense. Having had to attend the dreaded Speed Awareness Course, I now stick to the speed limit like glue, but on many occasions have been hassled by a much larger vehicle than my little Nissan Micra sitting right on my bumper. This annoys me so much as it is totally unnecessary because it is not going to make me drive any faster. I consider myself a safe and steady driver; at the age of 53 my reactions are not as good as when I was 21, so I never drive faster than 70 on the motorway, and stick to a steady 40 or 50 on the country roads that we have round here, or even less of course on the narrow lanes.

But the glares and rude gestures you get from drivers when they roar past you, usually at a dangerous spot like the brow of a hill or before a junction, you would honestly think that it was YOU who was breaking the law.
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What's the bloody hurry? You should chill out and stop whining. By the way, speed cameras are principally for surveillance, not for speeding.
12th Jan 07 02:01

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The speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed you are legally permitted to go. I am no angel. I do break this law (quite frequently). Maybe by 10 to 15%. I don't get annoyed with people who don't. I see a lot of people getting annoyed when the vehicle in front is on a 30mph limit travelling at 30mph. This is uncalled for and trying to push the driver faster by tailgating is just down right dangerous. Having said that, there are drivers that drive too slowly. Ideally you should drive at the maximum SAFE speed which is below the speed limit taking into account the condition of the road, weather, vehicle and driver, making sure you can stop in the distance you can see to be clear. There are drivers that drive around way below this speed and it is them that annoy me. But they are not the worst. I think the worst are those that are driving in front of you at say 40mph in a 40mph speed limit. The road is clear and there is no reason to slow down, but because they are not paying attention and don't even know the current speed limit, when they suddenly notice that there is a speed camera right in front of them they assume the speed limit is 30 and then just slam on the brakes to reduce their speed to 30. Luckily as I am at the correct distance from them I don't hit them, but it causes me a more work than I would like to be doing!
8th Jan 07 08:01

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Nikki

Happy New Year Ken!

Here's wishing that we all survive another year by driving safely throughout 2007
2nd Jan 07 08:01

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To Nikki -Hi its KenB The Trucker again.

Nikki I take great delight when I drive an artic on single carriageways at the speed limit of 40mph (for HGV's )it really makes my day and is one of the greatest pleasures of driving -when I look out of my mirror and see a mile long queue of vehicles all driving sensibly- I call it KenB's Sensible drivers club.

Just thought I'd Share this with You and the COPPER.
30th Dec 06 11:12

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Squirrel

I've seen photos of some of the main roads (single carriageway) in Scotland - which have signs up along them saying "Frustration causes accidents - please allow overtaking".

I have a friend who's particularly anal about speed, and every time I'm in the car with him (regardless of who's driving) he witters on and on about sticking to speed limits. At least when I'm driving I can put my foot down to get home quicker so I don't have to listen to him for any longer than I have to!
28th Dec 06 10:12

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I travel daily from Halstead to Colchester and back for work. What is it with people on the A1124 and what is essentially a 25-30 min drive usually takes at least 3/4 hour. 30 in a 30 = no problem.

Invariably it is also 30 in a 40 and 30 in a 60. What’s the matter with you people? Don't you want to get anywhere? More importantly do you not realise the frustration you cause for those of us that do? I honestly believe that people who drive too slowly are more dangerous than those that speed.

I am not advocating driving too fast here. I am merely saying that when you drive at 30 in a 60 it causes many people that need to get somewhere to act rashly and overtake in potentially unsafe areas. I think that a speed limit should also have a legal minimum ie. a maximum 60, minimum 50 in free flowing traffic.

How it could be implemented I admit to having no idea. There is also the 'give way' issue. Yes, when you get to a roundabout or junction you have to give way to anything coming that has priority over you. But only if something is coming. You don't have to sit there and wait until something comes. It's not compulsory! And when you do pull away please DO SO! Don't crawl like a lifeless Muppet. There is a pedal in your car that if you push with your foot it will help you go faster. Look it up in you manual under 'accelerator'.

Finally.....thank god I hear you say..... If you are doing 30 on the Earls Colne straight, and I do overtake you, it's not a crime! Don't flash me, sound your horn and stick your fingers up. Just look at your speedo and say to yourself "okay, today I'm going to use that third gear"...
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Nikki

It is precisely because I HAVE been done for speeding 3 times that I stick like glue now to the speed limit. Dur brains - I would have thought that was obvious.

I would like to say though that on the 3rd occasion I was caught I was going through a village at 34 mph instead of 30 - hardly Stirling Moss am I.

However, stupid I am not, so I now stick to the speed limit and anybody who doesn't do the same thing in this day and age of speed cameras everywhere is a bloody fool and deserves all he or she gets. You can't beat the system, so just accept it, slow down, and you'll get there just as quickly and in one piece.
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I am not at all miserable, Copper. Are you really a copper? Yet another intolerant one it would seem. I love my motorhome and if slowing people down on country roads stops them killing people- well I'm all for that. 'Pleasure in life'? ...tearing round like a lunatic , trying to kill yourself and other people. Well..whatever turns you on!! 'your driver to aspire to' I think you mean 'You're' and never use a preposition to end a sentence with. Did I ever say anyone should drive as I do? I think not, well apart from slowing for horse etc. I do not quite see how I can get to the beach and campsite via video conferencing :-). I am not the one complaining . I say if you don't like the speed of traffic and can work from home, then do so.Love me do you? I must point out I am 64 :-). Happy Christmas.
1st Dec 06 05:12

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copper

Nikki - monty has a point. How is it possible for a safe observant driver to get caught THREE TIMES ?!!!

WVW - you said - "Wait till you get your motorhome. That slows 'em down ;-)."
-----So you are the sort of miserable person who takes delight in making other peoples lives that little bit worse? Why are you so bitter?
YOU need councelling ! YOU are a danger to peoples pleasure in life!
Why don't YOU use video conferencing and the net instead whatever waste of time you pursue driving.
And you said - "this pensioner drove over 100 miles per day before she retired and admittedly gained a few points."
----- a few points?!!! So your a driver to aspire to, huh?
love you WVW x :o)
1st Dec 06 10:12

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White Van Woman

It seems to me that you are an expert at the "me,me,me " culture, Monty. You need anger management. YOU are the danger on the road. Why don't you use video conferencing and the net instead and tearing everywhere annoying slower drivers.No I am not one of them, hence my nickname.
29th Nov 06 11:11

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Monty Van Cleef

With response to Copper: I totally and utterly agree with you.

With response to Nikki: I don’t, retire and sell your car and never buy another.

Firstly, if you’re a good driver then you wouldn’t have been caught speeding in the first place. Once is forgivable, but three times is, well, you shouldn’t be on the road in the first place. With regards to the “me me me” culture. I wish someone would think of me when I’m stuck behind some idiot doing 20mph in a 30mph zone. I can never understand someone who drives at that speed and thinks it is a) reasonable to other road users b) safe and c) they have a life. The many meetings I have to attend in a day which are often spread across large areas of the country mean I do not have the luxury of leisurely driving down the road as if I’m on holiday on some Maldivian island. I think that a huge amount of people think the same way as I do. All this “lets just slow down and be realistic about our journey times” is not realistic. Much of the population has people to see, places to go. Unfortunately or fortunately (I’ll let you argue that one) we don’t live on a tiny Caribbean Island somewhere where we can simply swan around in our cars.

In addition all this cr*p about well if you drive slower you’ll get to your destination in about the same amount of time is rubbish. I can drive from my house to my HQ in 30 minutes flat at 7:30am. When I sometimes have to go in on a Sunday at 2pm (because of the large population of old people where I work) it takes me 45 minutes.

I’d love to buy a banged up old land rover and ram any unhurried leisurely inconsiderate fool off the road. If I was above the law I think I’d gain great pleasure in doing so, but seeing as I’m not I’m going to have to hold that ambition of mine until you slow people eventually drive me insane.

Thank you,
Monty
29th Nov 06 07:11

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fiftysomething

The idea that all slow drivers are also old is unfounded, as is the idea that all fast drivers are young. After 35 years on the road, you'll see all types in all categories.
There is no offence being committed if you do 60mph when 70mph is the maximum. Many people with older cars don't want to "cane" them, or else they're wishing to save petrol. If you are belting above the speed limit, you should expect to get stuck behind others who are keeping within the law.
Presumably horses and carts should be banned from using roads, also? They're slow, too. Motorists have to exercise patience and caution when passing a horse and cart; they have to do the same with a slow driver too.
Its not the slow driver who causes the problem; but the impatient pushers behind.
If the whingers are bellyaching about pensioners being unfit for the road, then may I suggest they put a case forward for improving the medical examinations that all have to take, at age 70. Personally, I'd prefer driving with a pensioner than a pram-handle boy racer any day.
27th Nov 06 05:11

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Nikki

Lol!! You don't know my husband! When we hired that huge motorhome, he terrified me half witless! I spent most of the time screaming "slow down". He seemed to take a peverse delight in overtaking caravans - not a good idea.
25th Nov 06 10:11

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White Van Woman/ Animal Lover

Been there, done that, Nikki. Could have papered the walls with mine when I drove my white van. Well most of it started about half way through my time with that job. Actually I had a police car hanging on my bumper all the way up a valley once as I stuck to the speed limit. What did he think I was going to do- speed up and get fined?!!Wait till you get your motorhome. That slows 'em down ;-).
24th Nov 06 10:11

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Nikki

copper: I don't see anything wrong with always driving within the speed limit - when it says 30, I will drive at 30 if it is safe to do so, and no BMW driver hanging off my back bumper will persuade me to go over 30. I cannot afford to lose my licence, as I have been caught by the dreaded cameras 3 times. I've done the crime, I'm doing my time, it's a fair cop! I never go over 70 on the motorway unless forced to as a matter of safety, and I always drive in the slow lane and try not to annoy lorry drivers. I drive at 60 on single carriageway roads where the limit is 60 ONLY if I consider it safe to do so - frequently it isn't, and then I will drive at 40 or 50 and again, if Mr BMW doesn't like it, he will just have to wait. I will not be bullied into driving 1) faster than the speed limit and 2) faster than I consider to be safe for the prevailing conditions. I don't consider this to be bad driving, I consider this to be very sensible driving learned through nearly 40 years of trouble-free motoring except for those dratted speeding fines!
23rd Nov 06 08:11

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copper

Slow drivers are dangerous, but they can't see it.
The majority of road users have better things to do in life than spending time in the car. And many of us, whilst not driving erratically or dangerously, when faced with a slow driver will want to get past them safely. Thus the slow driver then becomes an additional risk variable. Understand?

Slow drivers defence, I should take an extra x mins journey time? - Why should I because of you? And even when time is not a factor for me, you are still driving slow!

Need control of my life? - What utter pompous rubbish, go back to your shrink.

I should just drive slow too, take my time? -who are you to tell me how to drive.

It's safer? - the safety gained is relative. Relative to the conditions, the actual vehicle, the abilities of the driver, etc etc. Safer for you maybe because you lack driving skill?


Now I am not saying you slow drivers have to speed up at all !!! Just be aware that you ARE an additional danger on the roads.

Personally I think nervous drivers are the 2nd worst. They can perform the most spontaneous strange driving decisions. Following behind unaware drivers (for various reasons, drink, drugs, phone, etc) who just seem to have no awareness and don't anticipate.
And I do agree that erratic driving and excessive speeding are dangerous too.

Also mandatory retesting every few years or whatever should be brought in, with much tougher tests.

Isn't driving too slow in your driving test a negative point anymore? I think it was 20 years ago when I took my test. Anyone know for sure?
22nd Nov 06 09:11

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Nikki

KenB: what a sensible man you sound! Why is it that everybody thinks you MUST drive at the appropriate speed limit the whole time? As you rightly point out, the time savings are minimal even on very long journeys, between driving flat out and driving at a more sensible speed.
20th Nov 06 08:11

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KenB

As hgv driver I drive slightly below the speed limits- just because the speed limit is set at a certain speed it does not mean you have to drive right upto that speed - as hgv, even if I drive London to Manchester it only puts an extra 15 mins on journey time - I;d rather take 15 mins longer and glide along than get stressed out , for what to save 15 mins.
19th Nov 06 08:11

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Nikki

I've just reread the original posting on this topic, and see that one of my pet hates is covered - people who come driving on to the motorway off a slip road going like bats out of hell regardless of whether anyone is in the slow lane or not. Because I don't ever exceed the speed limit, I am forced to brake and allow these idiots to cut in front of me, but why they cannot join the motorway courteously and at an appropriate speed beats me. Oh yes, I know why, it's all because of the me me me culture - blow anyone else, as long as I'm all right Jack that's all that matters.
15th Nov 06 10:11

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Pensioner

So what you are saying, Brian, is that retired people have no place to go so they should be banned from the roads. So..when you finish work each day you should be banned from the roads as you then have the same 'no place to go'. Or is your evening entertainment supposed to be more important than pensioners getting their pension and buying their food, visiting etc. Just who do you think you are??!!
3rd Nov 06 10:11

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White Van Woman

Brian, I promise you that I don't dive slowly (is that possible??). In fact I could never get the hang of diving at all ,though I can swim well:-) Maybe, by the time you are old, people will be banned. Will you be glad then??
2nd Nov 06 01:11

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Brian

I have been driving a Van for 24 years now day in day out and I have never had an acdent, I am also an advanced driver and I dive up to the speed limits. But old people get on me tits who dive slow. People need to get places unlike old people who don't (thefore they don't need a car at all so they should be banned from driving in my opinion, Like down national spped roads they drive at 40 mph it's just plain inconsideration for other road users.
2nd Nov 06 10:11

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ScaryProphet

Hey there Brian or is it James,
Your the one to go up in flames,
Happy oh happy we will be,
When you connect with the old Oak tree,
All your cussing...whats that I smell,
Goodbye gobby your going to Hell.
31st Oct 06 04:10

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ScaryProphet

There once was a guy his name was James,
His exhaust so hot you could see the flames,
One day while chasing a red tail light,
He came off the road to everyones delight,
He ended up hitting an old Oak tree,
Now everywhere he goes it`s by Taxi,
Now listen you speeders you take care,
Or you will end up in an old wheelchair..crippled
30th Oct 06 01:10

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White Van Woman

James, quote from my new Caravan Club magazine:- Statistics reveal that young drivers are more at risk of dying than any other age range of driver, often taking the lives of their young passengers with them. Some 572 young drivers and passengers aged 17-24 were killed in car accidents on British roads in 2004 and 4295 were seriously injured". Take your time and you may live to be old too :-)
6th Oct 06 06:10

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Attila the Mum

Go Smithy!
I couldn't agree more, especially as I'm always late for everything. Thankfully most of my driving is local and I know all the short cuts, but it can be a struggle to stay calm when I'm in a hurry and get stuck for EVER behind a cyclist doing 5mph because oncoming traffic stops me overtaking safely. Oh the joys!

ps. The 2 second rule applies only to dry roads. If wet it should be doubled, and in ice at least tripled.
4th Oct 06 11:10

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White Van Woman

James, if you re-read my posting you will see that I was careful to tell you I was IN A LINE OF TRAFFIC !!What would you have me do?......drive over the vehicles in front? I do not own Chitty Bang Bang!
25th Sep 06 06:09

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Nikki

James: I stick like glue to the speed limit, having been caught "speeding" 3 times. This is incredibly annoying as on one occasion I was going 34 in a 30 mph limit, but however, I am an intelligent girl, I learn from my mistakes, and I do NOT appreciate having little toerags hanging off my bumper trying to persuade me to break the speed limit just because they are in a hurry. If you don't like the law of the land, then do something about it. We live in a democracy. If you think it is ridiculous that the speed limit can be as low as 20 in built up areas, then do something about it, write to your MP, please do not hassle people sticking to the letter of law and driving according to the speed limit. It is not fair, and it can be very dangerous.
23rd Sep 06 10:09

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smithy

The need to drive faster than the guy in front is down to the fact that you dont have control of your life. You havent calculated the time required for the journey and you have allowed yourself to be put in that position. Take control of the situation and put realistic times on your journeys. Dont allow your employers to put the pressure on you. Remember the old adage of only a fool breaks the two second rule. That distance will give you room to maneuvre, try it for a day and relax. The the slow driver will no longer be a bother. Personally I would enforce retesting on drivers who tailgate dont use indicators and who cannot control there tempers or better still take there cars and crush them and reduce the numbers on the roads.
23rd Sep 06 11:09

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James

Well You should speed up then, some people have to get to places on time with out you old people with no where important to go slowing us down!
23rd Sep 06 11:09

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White Van Woman

I think,James, that you would find that banning the young gits would be the surest way of reducing accidents. Just this morning I have had a young woman driving 3 inches from my back bumper (yes I was driving quite slowly- in a line of traffic!). She had a child in the back of her car!
21st Sep 06 02:09

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James

I had some old biddy drive into me the other day at the post office and also in the same day Some old boy pulled out in front of me because the old git could not turn his head quick enougth to see I was on the road, also the old prat may not even be able to see above the end of his bonnet, Ban the old gits I say!
21st Sep 06 09:09

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United Women's Front :-)

JohnD, I should also mention that women will usually become friends- and then you may be their target :-)
17th Sep 06 04:09

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White Van Woman (retired)

Morgaine, I am also "Slap the Slappers", "Pheasant lover", etc...hmmm.. and "Pandora" well I did rather open the box on a lot of trouble :-). Sorry I thought JohnD was a pal of yours. Now I see he has been on other threads insulting other people's intelligence!! I don't always metion my age because I lay myself open to age-related insults- as you can all see from this guy's remarks. JohnD, I also have motorbike entitlement on my licence. Do you?
17th Sep 06 03:09

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White Van Woman

John D , judging by your impressive mastery of the English language I think you must be a Uni pal of Morgaine's. Such a wonderful thing higher education.Money really well spent!
8th Sep 06 02:09

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Pandora

To return to tropic! Does anyone really think that making older people have an annual medical will make them drive faster?! They will eventually die and maybe the the new older generation will drive faster. But by then there will very likely be lower speed limits on every road and cameras to enforce them, and there will still be lorries, tractors etc and also lycra-clad bunches of cyclists.The days of speed on the road are gone, I'm afraid. We might as well accept that.
8th Sep 06 07:09

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Morgaine

Don't encourage her though - she will go post on everything else you post on just to call you names.

Psycho.
7th Sep 06 12:09

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Morgaine

John D - your guess is as good as mine.

If you look at the rest of her posts (yes, she's also Groovy Granny, Must Have The Last Word etc etc) - you'll see that in fact she CANNOT make posts without childish name-calling. So she probably can't drive either.
7th Sep 06 12:09

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White Van Woman (retired)

I wouldn't place any money on that if I were you, John D. 12 years of driving 100 miles plus a day means that I probably have more experience than you do.....and I can type input without childish name-calling
7th Sep 06 12:09

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John D

Does anyone get what the old bint Retiree is kicking off about? Is that the same person as Groovy Granny? God I get sick of old people who think they know everything. Get back on topic you silly old c*w - I bet you can't drive either.
7th Sep 06 11:09

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Must have the last word!!!

You could have fooled me!! anyway its midday here. Not an American are you??
30th Aug 06 01:08

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Morgaine

It means I grew out of this sort of conversation by the time I was 8 or so.

Goodnight.
30th Aug 06 10:08

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Groovy granny :-)

'farmer's wife'- just winding you up child. You make it sooooo easy!"do try to grown up " what does that mean??!!!
30th Aug 06 08:08

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Retiree

God, are you still harping on??? Give it a rest.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
30th Aug 06 07:08

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Morgaine the (apparently) conc

Oh dear. Thirty something women are childish? Put the toys back in the pram dear.

For the record, you started name-calling. And you're still name-calling.


Obviously you are not sufficiently intelligent to understand irony. My last point was provoked by your assuming for some unknown reason that I am a farmer's wife?!?

An explanation of my actual status was intended to shut you up by proving your ignorance as it's getting a little tedious - sorry, didn't work - obviously you weren't educated enough to get the point.

Which is, simply - it's not being a braggart (glad to see you picked up this word ends in a 't') to mention these things in a conversation to which they are relevant. Or do you think you're being a braggart when you harp on about owning a motorhome?

My nan, who would be your generation, always brought me up to have good manners, and bemoaned the fact that my generation usually don't. She's not around now sadly, or I could show her your posts to prove the elderly can be rude, ill-mannered and thoughtless too.

I'm glad you also think this conversation is over. I would find a children's site to post on as adult conversation is obviously beyond you. Do try to grown up, dear, it's never too late.
29th Aug 06 10:08

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Retiree

Well now we do know. There cannot be a bigger braggart in the whole of history. But enough is enough. Anyone can say anything on here....and I do not intend to have anymore conversation with you . You make me too zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
29th Aug 06 06:08

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Morgaine

Actually I'm a company director running my own computer consultancy and accountancy practice. I can't cook to save my life but I have stupid amounts of letters after my name.

But then if I was a braggart you would have known that already wouldn't you?
29th Aug 06 08:08

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Retiree

Ah, a 'country cottage','3 acres' and a '4x4'. I see you are a farmer's wife. How quaint. Do you bake your own bread and make your own jam?.
29th Aug 06 07:08

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Retiree

Yes of course I could! But why on earth would I want to do that??! I don't boast about what I own. Why are 30 something women so very childish?!and why do they resort to school girl name-calling?
28th Aug 06 09:08

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Morgaine

Wow, sorry - I didn't realise that mentioning things I happen to own in the course of a conversation was being a braggart.

Yes I have a car, a motorbike and a pony. Also a country cottage, three acres, a horse and a 4x4 if you'd like to moan about those too. And I've worked my ass off for the last ten years to get them and make no apologies to you or anyone else.

If you have issues with other people owning stuff - buy your own. I'm pretty certain you're the only person on here who would be petty enough to give a monkeys what I own or don't own, s it doesn't affect any of you in the slightest or infringe on your lives in any way.

Besides which, I'm sure you could afford all of the above if you sold your stupid overpriced motorhome.
28th Aug 06 11:08

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Selfish Motorhome owner :-)

Actually the out-drive comment was aimed at James, who seems to think anyone over 60 is in their dotage..as to the rest of your silly speech...do you ever listen to yourself? I never came across such a braggard in all my life! My pony..my car...my motorbike...............You are beyond belief!
24th Aug 06 12:08

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Morgaine

Retired Van Lady, are you sure you are really 64? I usually have great respect for old people but they don't usually have the attitude of a hormonal teenager.
I would be quite happy to race you, but you would have to come to a track day at Knockhill, I love my car far too much to lose my license for speeding on the road.
Nowhere have I said that I would do 120mph on country roads. The car has traction control and 4-pot calipers but sadly nobody has yet designed a device for seeing around blind bends.
My car certainly isn't noisy either - compare a 24 valve straight six engine (which you can't hear at idle) to the van which you say you drove. And my exhaust is road legal.
Your attitude about your motorhome is the same as every other selfish pig that drives one and thinks it's funny to get huge queues behind them. Although with your claimed driving experience maybe you are able to a) actually drive at something close to an appropriate speed for the road and b) know you should pull over when you get more than 10 cars behind you.
How sexist - would you suggest I buy my child a doll if she were a boy? Actually she does have dolls too. However I have no intention of bringing her up to be either mollycoddled or a gender stereotype. She's just as likely to get hurt falling off her pony. I suppose she could sit at home and learn to knit - that would be safe.
24th Aug 06 09:08

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Retiree

Hmmm..slip-up...that should be "think" mini- motos.
23rd Aug 06 08:08

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White van woman (retired).

Well sonny Jim this 'old biddy', 'wrinkly','old fart' or whatever other exceedingly disrespectful names the young find for older people these days! (in my day older people were called "Mr" and "Mrs") !!...to continue, this pensioner drove over 100 miles per day before she retired and admittedly gained a few points. But I hardly think 12 years of such driving results in a lack of experience or skill. I would out-drive you any day-even now- at 64. But now I only drive to the supermarket and the beach (with dog) and I stick to the speed limits. The weekends are a different story ..then we go out in our motorhome :-) and if that stops Morgaine from tearing around the countryside in her noisy car at 120 mph,then all I can say is "hooray" If you want to buy your 7 year old daughter a toy Morgaine- I would suggest a doll or something. If you thing mini motos are harmless I suggest you watch "Trauma".
23rd Aug 06 08:08

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Morgaine

I am 35, have a 165mph car with 120mph rated tyres, have had a clean license for 12 years and have never had an accident that's my fault. I drive a minimum of 60 miles per day, and yes I am a fast driver or I would not have bought a sports car. Do I speed? Yes, to be honest - but only to the road conditions and the car's capabilities.
I too have had idiots speed up when I'm overtaking (not such a problem with twin turbos but still dangerous). I've seen people doing 30mph up the middle of the road so nobody can get past (I live in the country). I've seen desperate guys in Ford escorts trying to hurl themselves past the 40mph prat that's had a queue of traffic stuck behind it for 5 miles on a perfectly adequate, dry country A road. I've been cut up by kids whose mum bought them a car for Christmas, and I've been cut up by elderly people who don't look safe to be in charge of themselves, let alone a car.
The fact is, if you can't drive, you can't drive, and you should not be holding people up with no reason. The police should be able to prosecute those who cannot drive to a suitable speed on the road, as from experience they cause as many accidents as those who don't drive well enough to do the speed they are doing.
Age is relatively immaterial - I think maybe the elderly should have to have a more frequent medical, but if their eyesight and reflexes are fine then they shouldn't have to take another test.
Caravans and tractors should both pay phenomenal amounts of road tax (instead of none) - not only do they back up the traffic, they do excessive damage to the road.
22nd Aug 06 02:08

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Nikki

James: you are talking a load of tosh. Insurance is MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE for young people because, ipso facto, YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE MORE ACCIDENTS. Why? Because they have a greater tendency to drive faster and more dangerously than older, wiser people.
20th Aug 06 10:08

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James

Also young people need cars as we are still working and need them for a living. We can cock about waiting for a bus like you old biddys!
17th Aug 06 04:08

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James

The age when I start driving at 40 mph on to a motorway, Or the age when I struggel to turn a corner without crosing the white line, or the age when have to break for every lorry that drives past on the other side of the road, or the age when I can not judge how wide my car is so I struggel to get through gaps that even a bus could get through. Any of them would be good.
17th Aug 06 04:08

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Peace-loving pensioner

So, sonny Jim,exactly what age are you going to be when you will consider yourself too old to drive and then intend to immediately stop? Personally I would like to see no-one allowed to drive any vehicle anywhere until they are at least 21. Think how much quieter and safer our roads would be!!and the forests, and the sand dunes!!..or maybe I should make that 31!!
14th Aug 06 10:08

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James

When I get old I will stop driving. Also they do put insurance up for old people when they get older and some company won't even insure them!
14th Aug 06 10:08

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White van woman (retired). .

Oh come on now, James.Surely you are aware that the most dangerous drivers are youngsters.That is why their insurance is so high. They have by far the most accidents. Leave us old fogies alone. You'll be old someday.
8th Aug 06 10:08

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James

If you get caught Drink Driving you get arested, this is due to when you have consumed alcohol your body won't react as quickly as when you are sober. Old people can't react quick enought to situations that may occour on the road very similar to Drink Drivers. This is why we should be testing old people with hazard tests and other tests to check there reaction times. It no good having them on the road if they are unsafe.
8th Aug 06 02:08

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ironbed

Kath I am so sorry and shocked at the loss of your father. Maybe at age 65 as someone suggested, drivers should be re-tested. But unfortunately old people are not the only drivers guilty of driving below the speed limit. I have seen drivers of all ages impeding traffic by driving 20 and even 30 miles below the limit. Impaitient drivers invariably tend to overtake these drivers and not always at the safest location. For example passing a slow driver while approaching an intersection or on a bend or hill.
Slow drivers should be ticketed as well as speeders. In the USA I believe it is an offence to "Impede traffic" while driving way below the limit.
Is it an offence in the UK/Ireland?
29th Jul 06 03:07

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Drivers that do 40 in a 60 (for no apparent reason) are anoying they are not the main problem hovever, drivers that are do 40 mph in a 60 mph speed limit when the road is dry and safe is that most of them carry on doing 40 mph when they reach a village or town when the speed limit goes back down to 30 mph or they brake(for no apparent reason) and then signal as they turn, I always thought it was Mirror Signal Manover? Not Manover Signal whilst manovering. The alternative to this is probably the same people 50-60 mph on a dry safe motorway in the middle lane for mile after mile.
10th Jul 06 06:07

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Retired delivery driver/motorh

Another point I would like to make here is that many retired people like to take their caravans away for weekends.Yes, yes I know...your favourite people. But they can tow a caravan ,often down narrow lanes to sites, and then get them into position at the site. Could you do this?? It takes skill and experience. Lets stop knocking all the older folk just because they are over ...65 did you say Nikki?? I certainly don't feel old at nearly 64!
14th Jun 06 04:06

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Ex delivery Driver

Oh and BTW I have not seen a doctor in at least 5 years.How about you? No one can tell at what age someone might have a heart attack- witness Richard Beckinsale..what a lovely fellow...so sad.
7th Jun 06 06:06

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Ex delivery driver

Well'I'm not an idiot' at what age would you consider"older people" should be made to pass a test?. Think carefully before you answer....remember however old you are now, you will still reach this age one day. Why do you think older people pay less insurance? It is experience that counts.
7th Jun 06 06:06

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im not an idiot

I beleive that older drivers should have to retake their driving test and also have health checks to ensure they are safe to drive.
6th Jun 06 08:06

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Ex delivery driver retiree

Well I will be 64 this July and I would argue with this idea that I need to take a test at 65. I was a delivery driver for 12 years before I retired and I think I could out drive most of you youngsters. I've driven fast and got speeding points (what delivery driver hasn't?) and now I drive slowly as I see no need to drive fast. If there is no need, why do it? I do not have "tunnel vision" ,I see children's feet below parked cars,and cats, and can see other potential hazards way ahead.It is the young who cause most accidents, not the old. While I am driving at the speed limit I get silly speeders overtaking me...and then pulling in by the shop to get their Sunday papers, take photos of the scenery , or walk their dogs.Yes, they have to have their foot down all the time.Its a bad habit!
1st Jun 06 09:06

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A student is school

I think that your idea is so good that I'm doing a persuasive speech in language on it!
11th May 06 03:05

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Nikki

Yeah, I see the point you are making megaman, but speed DOES kill, the faster two objects are travelling and collide with one another, the more damage will be done. If we all hand on hearts stuck to the speed limit, there would be less deaths on the roads, not necessarily less accidents or injuries, but less deaths.
1st May 06 07:05

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megaman5

plod will nick you!

this just proves my point about not assuming that the faster driver is theone at fault in an accident or the dangerous one
1st May 06 02:05

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Nikki

oh no, now it sounds like I've called you a moron! Sorry, I meant the other chap.
1st May 06 01:05

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Nikki

oops! sorry megaman, I see in your original posting that you did try to drop back, what a moron. However, if you are on the wrong side of the road, for whatever reason, Plod will nick you if you hit the guy coming the other way.
1st May 06 01:05

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Nikki

megaman: had you thought about dropping back, thus allowing the idiot who had boxed you in to go first?
1st May 06 12:05

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megaman

actually nikki when I tried to overtake it was safe!

the road was clear and the nearest bend in the road was in the distance when I started my overtake.

the fact that he was able to keep me on me on the wrong side of the road for long enough for it to become a problem shows that it was a deliberate act

the fact that you have attacked me and ASSUMED it wasent safe when I started shows that you are one of the arrogant idots who I talk about

I have no respect for your crap and advise everyone else to ignore your ignorant comment
1st May 06 12:05

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Nikki

... "in other words he boxed me onto the wrong side of the road.
it got to the point where a car comming the other way had to stop!

the guy comming the other way shook his head at me as if I had done something wrong".

Hello Megaman. Wake up! ... you WERE doing something wrong! You were driving on the WRONG side of the road when there was a vehicle coming from that direction. When I learned to drive, I was taught to drive on the LEFT. You only go onto the right hand lane when you are overtaking and it is clear and safe to do so. If there was somebody coming from the opposite direction, then clearly it was not safe to overtake. There is absolutely no reason why you should have to travel at 60 in a 60 mile per hour limit - you should drive at the speed YOU feel safe at, and that may well mean driving at only 30 or 40 because you happen to know that around the next bend there will be a slick of mud on the road because the local farmer has been manuring his fields and it has been raining.

Use your brain, not your right foot pedal.
30th Apr 06 11:04

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megaman

slow drivers are the ones that are the dangerous ones.

as discussed they cause other drivers to get frustrated which causes accidents. why should the other drivers who want to go faster be responsable. just because they want to go faster doesent mean they want to go at a dangerous speed.

furthermore a speed king can only be near so many drivers at a time. when you encounter one they dissapear quickly. slow drivers on the other hand can hold up many people and when you encounter one your usually stuck with it for ages.

I also find that slow drivers are the most arrogant.
on one occasion I tried to overtake someone doing 40 in a 60 limit when it was safe. as soon as I got next to him he increased and decreased his speed with me so I couldnt get ahead or fall back. in other words he boxed me onto the wrong side of the road.
it got to the point where a car comming the other way had to stop!

the guy comming the other way shook his head at me as if I had done something wrong.

the assumption that the faster driver is the dangerous one has to change!
30th Apr 06 09:04

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Nikki

Sounds like my mum, except she's 82! I let her drive me for the first time in ages the other day, and she scared me witless! She keeps wandering - not as bad as lane to lane, but definitely wandering. If she drove slowly it wouldn't be so bad, but she drives at 70, hogging the middle lane instead of pulling into the slow lane when clear, and I am sitting there absolutely terrified. "I hope I'm not frightening you darling", says Mum. I was too scared to speak, so just sort of squeaked a feeble little no in fear of causing her to take her eyes off the road! I really do think that we should have to retake our driving test when we get past 70. Mum never took a test because she learned to drive in the WRNS during the war, which is even more alarming!
16th Apr 06 10:04

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Queen Bitch

I was on the M1 the other day I had to swerve to avoid coliding with someone in a yellow cincquicento (or egg box!) who was doing 45mph in the middle lane but couldn't keep in the lane. As I overtook the car, I glanced in and saw a youngish woman who could barely see over the steering wheel (and let's face it, having that difficulty in a cincquicento she must've been short). Amazing. She shouldn't have been on the road, let alone a motorway.
www.ihatemotorways.co.uk
15th Apr 06 09:04

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zoe

an old lady who hit me she said she mistaked the gas petal for the brake pedal
8th Mar 06 02:03

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Nikki

Kath, I am so sorry, that is just appalling. I think that senior citizens should have to take a test annually, and have an annual eye check. By senior, I mean over 65. It's not a lot to ask, and it's for their safety as well as others after all.
26th Feb 06 10:02

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kath

My father was recently killed when he was crossing the road very responsibly, at a good position where he could be seen for a good distance in either direction. the weather was good, the road was not busy. An 85 yr old man was driving down the road at less than 30 mph, did not see him because he had to 'look out for parked cars'. He did not swerve or break, because he sinply could not see. He has since been prosecuted. This shows that older drivers are not capable of judging thier own ability to drive. It is outrageous that after age 70 they can self certify that they are are able to drive. They only need an eye test every three years; this driver badly failed his eye sight test at the scene of the accident. He only marginally passed the test 18 months before, and yet was left to drive for another three years without needing a retest. As you cann imagine our family are outraged!
25th Jan 06 11:01

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Nikki

Simon: I have never said driving at high speed is dangerous, willy nilly. What I have said is that driving at 60 mph on country roads is frequently far too fast for the prevailing conditions. I live in a very rural area where there are a lot of gated roads, very narrow, twisty, windy, bumpy bee roads and yet idiots hurtle along these at 60 or more, and I'm sorry but IT JUST IS NOT SAFE. Just because the speed limit is 60, it does not mean that it is safe to drive at that speed, just as it is not safe to drive past a school when the kids are coming out at 30, although that is doubtless the speed limit. You talk about looking around and taking into account the surroundings. This is EXACTLY my point. Don't just drive along at 60 mph because you can. Look around you, see what's what, is there mud on the road, is there a horse rider approaching, is there ice on the road, etc. etc.

You may be right about mud on the roads, but round here our roads are constantly a sea of mud, cow pooh etc. The farmers have a living to make and if they were held responsible for every accident that has been caused by idiots driving too fast on slippery roads, they'd all be put out of business.

As for pulling over and letting faster traffic pass, sorry Simon, but round here there's nowhere to pull over onto - the roads are often single track, or else too twisty for anyone to be able to overtake safely. When I was hit on my horse by a speeding motorcyclist, it was 100% his fault and his insurance company have accepted 100% liability. Very rarely in the case of horse accidents are the riders found to be responsible.
14th Jan 06 05:01

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Simon

Nikki,

May I suggest before making tripe remarks about speed you look into what you say and read Tribe v Jones (1961), and Barna v Hudes Merchandising Corpn. (1962) or a number of other cases that have come since them.

Tribe v. Jones….At 7.20 am the defendant drove his car over half a mile at speeds between 45 and 65 mph. The road was subjected to a 30 mph speed limit. No accident occurred nor was there evidence of any actual danger to others. The defendant was charged with driving at a speed dangerous to the public contrary to the RTA 1960, s2(1) (now RTA 1972 s.2)

HELD on APPEAL, from a dismissal of the charge by the justices: A fast speed was not automatically dangerous, although in many cases it might be. The justices were entitled to find as they did.
14th Jan 06 04:01

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Nikki,

I think your short-sightedness of the situation of rural roads and design is highlighted in your comments. Rural roads have a maximum speed limit of 60Mph for a car being a single carriageway and 70Mph on a dual carriageway. The fact still remains that most people do not take credence of there surroundings, a rear view mirror was created for a reason and that is not for people admiring them selves in it. It is for looking around and seeing what is behind you not just in front of you. If you want to travel at 40Mph that is fine, but move over and let the other party behind pass.

Most people travel at 45Mph in a 40Mph zone but will not travel at 60Mph in a national zone.

And with comments regarding the corners of roads, most rural roads have never seen the correct signage being placed on them. Junctions are ill designed, where a right turn is required at a major junction a filter turn should be created so a driver behind should be able to pass with ease and not hold up traffic.

Why is it our European neighbours have higher speed limits then us and continue to have less accidents then us. We unfortunately are not as aware of our surroundings when driving, more interested in chatting with our passenger, or listening to load music of even putting our make-up on. The fact still remains that we have most people still delude themselves when it comes to driving, sitting in the middle lane of a 3 lane motorway, and ignoring what is going on around them.

Oh an specifically with regards to the animals, if you do have an accident with an animal, dependant on the circumstance the animals owner can be found liable of negligence for allowing that animal to stray onto the highway. The same is true of any obstruction of the highway, including MUD!
14th Jan 06 04:01

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Che Guevara

Old peolple are driving to slowly in our society. They should need to retake the driving test at the age of 60-75. I think tht that is fair. What if they have a heart attack while they are driving. Not very good! We need to rebel and pull an anarchy.
6th Jan 06 02:01

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alvin sprocket

Speed kills, lack of it is preferable whichever way you look at it.

Just sit back and relax if the bloke in front is going too slow for you, it's all releative and he has just as much right to go slow as you do to go fast.
23rd Dec 05 01:12

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zaine

There are way too many old people driving on the road nowadays. They are too old and too slow. They ought to take another driving test when you reach 80, because most old people can't park and can't see infront of them!
8th Dec 05 09:12

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Nikki

Eric: I didn't know I could draw the pension at 51!

It makes not a jot or iota of difference what you say - having been caught by speed cameras 4 times - and before you jump down my throat, the fastest I was driving at was 38, the slowest was 32 - I came to the logical and very sensible conclusion that I would stick like glue to the speed limit, whether that be 30, 50, 60 or 70. If that means that some poor blighter stuck behind me driving at 30 along a road in the middle of nowhere and where it is perfectly safe to travel faster than that is inconvenienced, then I'm afraid that's too bad. Nothing on earth will persuade me to go faster than 30 because I know full well that Plod may be parked round the corner and I'll be flashed - next time, I'll lose my licence. Having to attend a speed awareness course was bad enough.

And you DO save quite a considerable amount of petrol by driving slowly. 50 mph is the most economical speed for the average engine apparently.
3rd Dec 05 05:12

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Eric

Oh, get off the road, there are hardworking people who are trying to get to work to pay for your pension to you can stay alive, if you don't want anymore points then start looking at the road and look out for signs, going at 40 in a 60 on the good condition road is not saving money, instead it is costing all of us money, lorries have a delivery goods on time, people have to get to work, kids have to get to school and learn. about going round a bend at a 10% the limit is just silly, the road isn't a hot cooking pan and your tyres aren't made of butter you know! why don't you stay at home, watch count down so all the other people in this world can get on with their life and pay for your pension ok?
2nd Dec 05 07:12

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Nikki

Tom - I hope you are not a cop! You're talking tommy rot. Slow drivers are not necessarily doing their make-up or talking on the 'phone. They may be, like me, determined not to get any more points on their licence and therefore stick like glue to the speed limits. There is no law to say that you HAVE to drive at the speed limit, only that you must not exceed it. By driving at say, 40, on a narrow country road where the speed limit is 60, is not impeding other traffic - it is behaving responsibly. Narrow country lanes are not safe to have motorised traffic travelling at 60 mph on them, but so many of our country roads have become rat runs, and this is exactly what is happening.
2nd Dec 05 07:12

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Tom The COP

Slow drivers are not in accidents very often But they sure cause a lot of them. People who drive correctly leave early and are not in a hurry but then they end up behind Ms. Idriveslo. This person is on the phone and putting on make up or eating or really does not know how to get where they are going or are just plain slow. They cause other drivers to become frustrated and to take unneeded risk to get around them. This causes problems. If someone is impeading traffic in most places there are laws against this. They need to be enforced. If you feel that road conditions are so bad but everyone else is driving the speed limit maybe you need to come to grips that maybe you should not drive or need some remedial driver training.
2nd Dec 05 05:12

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Nikki

Slow drivers are NOT a danger - inappropriate driving for the prevailing conditions IS dangerous; and however annoying it may be to you, if that means that dear old Uncle Arthur has to drive slower than the maximum permitted speed for that particular road, so be it.

You must learn to be tolerant Matt - one day you will be old, and I am as sure as hell that you won't want to give up your tin can.

And to say that after 75 people shouldn't be driving at all is just plain ridiculous. I know several people of this age and plus, including my parents, who still drive - SAFELY.
28th Nov 05 08:11

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Matt

Slow drivers are a danger and I agree that many old folks are the culprits.I live in a rural village with a high number of oldies who have retired to the area and there are far more accidents caused by them than the local "boy racers".my opinon is that after 65 you should be forced to take a test every twelve months to test reaction and driving ability,after 70 this should be every six months and after 75 you should not be driving at all.
28th Nov 05 08:11

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Chris

Go for it mate and good luck.
2nd Nov 05 07:11

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Nikki

Despite it being the depths of the countryside and a particularly beautiful spot, I think you're right. My daughter's best friend and her sister had a very bad accident there a few months ago - luckily they were unhurt, although the sister's new car was written off. It is an accident blackspot, and would qualify for chevrons I'm sure.
2nd Nov 05 01:11

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Chris

Nikki,
I think a strongly worded letter to the council or Traffic Management asking for a cheveron board would be a good idea. They will look into the number of accidents there and do a financial evaluation re the erecting of a board. If they do not decide to put one there then they do not think it is as dangerous as you say, but they do not live there.
2nd Nov 05 09:11

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Nikki

Chris:yes, there should and would be all that you suggest were this a main road, but it isn't, its really little more than a country lane, but unfortunately it is used as a rat run by the local populace to get to Northampton. It runs across what could almost be described as an area of outstanding natural beauty, and therefore totally inappropriate to have loads of chicanes, chevrons and such like.

In my opinion also, it really shouldn't be necessary. It is very clear coming from both ways that this corner is a hairpin, so even strangers can see to take care. But no, these morons just put the boot down and then squeal like mad when their precious cars end up in the ditch, usually blaming the farmer for dropping mud on the road, or using it to drive livestock along.
25th Oct 05 12:10

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Chris

Nikki,
In your last two comments you have summed up what I believe. Inappropriate speed (Whether slow or fast) is dangerous.
You didn't say if the hair-pin bend was clearly marked. ie SLOW on the road, increased white marks on the road and a cheveron board? I'll assume it was if it's that dangerous. If not then maybe you should look into why it isn't.
25th Oct 05 11:10

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Nikki

Yet again the title of this article "Slow drivers are dangerous too" has been disproved on the country road that I drive to and from work every day.

There is a very steep hairpin bend on this road, and virtually every week there is a crash there. Sure enough, on a wet greasy road there was yet another accident tonight on this corner. Luckily no-one was hurt, but the police told me that the driver of the vehicle had confessed that he hadn't realised how slippery this corner was when wet.

This driver was unfamiliar with the road, and therefore should have approached it cautiously, not knowing what lay round the bend. Like countless numbers before him, he was caught out by the adverse camber, and landed up in the ditch, luckily hitting no-one in the process.

Slow drivers are not dangerous - neither are fast drivers necessarily. What IS dangerous is driving too fast for the conditions. And that could be as slow as 20 mph.
24th Oct 05 08:10

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Stu-B

35 mph on a 60 mph A road does seem to be a tad frustrating - you could almost overtake on your racing cycle - heck, I could probably have got up to that speed almost downhill with a favourable wind on my mountain bike!

My father used to call these drivers Aunty Fanny and Uncle Arthur's - don't know why, but there we are!
21st Oct 05 09:10

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Stu-B

I ride a very lightweight carbon/aluminium racing cycle and can cruise at 25mph plus on it. I'm fed up with mountain bike riders doddering along at 12mph and getting in my way (if it's not safe for me to overtake). See, we have the same problem!! I drive a sporty Ford Focus too and get intensely frustrated at elderly Skoda Fabia drivers who drive at 35mph along our local 60mph A road. Huge queues subsequently develop behind them. I don't tailgate or abuse them because I'm a responsible driver/cyclist, I just nip by when it's safe to do so. It's all you can do!
I wish excessively slow drivers could understand that most drivers would like to make "reasonable progress".
20th Oct 05 04:10

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Nikki

Bobby: It is not slow drivers that are a menace, it is drivers who do not drive appropriately for the conditions. Just because the little sign says "30", it does not automatically mean that you can drive at 30.

I'll give you an example: there is a country Bee road that I drive along 4 times a day to get to and from work. It is derestricted, so 60 is the speed limit. This road is lethal, because it is used by two livery stables and one riding school, a farmer who keeps cattle and sheep and frequently crosses the road to take them to new pastures, and another farmer who is arable and therefore drops mud all over the road, rendering it lethal in wet weather. But what do the townies do? belt along at 60 or 70 willy nilly, and then moan at the farmers, the riding school and the livery yards because they have smashed up their BMWs? THEY are a menace, not me, driving along at a safe 40/50 because I am aware that round the next left hander there could be a blooming great pile of cow pat, or whatever.
19th Oct 05 01:10

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Bobby

Nikki,
Or they're old women who couldn't go fast in a jet plane. The slow drivers are a menace on the road and if they can't or will not drive to the limit they should move over or get the bus.
18th Oct 05 09:10

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Nikki

They want to drive at 40, not 60! For whatever reason! Just accept it, and give them space - don't drive up their rear end trying to push them into going faster. I know you yourself don't tailgate, but a lot of people do, and it's no joke when you're in a Nissan Micra with a massive great Volvo 740 up your chuff!

Sometimes cars are driving slowly because they know something you don't - just round the bend there's a flood, a slick of mud left by tractors emerging from fields - any number of reasons.
17th Oct 05 07:10

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Chris.

Nikki,
I don't tail-gate. It annoys me as much as the next person. But why is it the faster driver who is driving inappropriatly not the slow? I have sat behind people doing 40 in a 60 where the road is straight and there is nothing in front of them to slow them down. I have been unable to over take as the road was undulating. What's all that about?
17th Oct 05 06:10

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Nikki

But if you are tailgating, then your speed is inappropriate because you are not keeping at a safe braking distance from the vehicle in front.

You're right though about speed - hey, by the way, I'm impressed by my new title - ex racing driver - wow! Makes me sound like Stirling Moss !

Coming out of a bend to find dear old Uncle Arthur pottering along at some slow speed is part of the hazards of modern driving. You have to expect the unexpected I'm afraid, and in a shunt, the driver who has done the shunting will virtually always be to blame except in exceptional circumstances.
17th Oct 05 01:10

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Chris, Co Durham

Nikki,
Thanks for that. I do not condone people speeding. I have seen the consequences of when speeding vehicle hits stationary tree or another vehicle (some not very nice sights). People should not tail-gate, again you're correct. But as you know (being an ex racing driver) speed does not kill, it's the inappropriate use of speed. Also, how would you feel if you were using the correct speed around a corner and as you came out of the bend there was a person using an inappropriately slow speed??
The roads should not be used as a race track but neither should they be used by people who can not drive to the conditions.
17th Oct 05 12:10

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Nikki

Chris: It's not a question of me being unable to drive at a certain speed (I used to race an MGA sports car many moons ago, so am well able to drive fast and consider myself a good driver at high speed, with good reactions). It is just that I consider the public roads should not be used as race tracks by little boy (and girl) racers who would have no idea how to handle a skid, how to handle a blow out, or how to handle any emergency. I take your point about tailgaters, but the answer is simple. They should not tailgate. There is no excuse for tailgating, whether the car in front of you is doing 30 in a 30 mph limit, or 20, or whatever. Without sounding a nerd, the braking distances at each speed are listed in the highway code and although I consider them to be a bit excessive for modern cars, they are as an average pretty accurate.

It simply isn't safe to always drive at 30 in a 30 mph limit. It is not always safe to drive at 50 in a 50, 70 at 70, etc. etc. To say that these drivers who drive under the limit because in their opinion it is not safe to drive at the limit, causes tailgating and road rage is just ridiculous. There is no excuse for either.
15th Oct 05 01:10

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Chris

The drivers driving 10 mph below the limit cause the drivers driving at the limit to slow down causing tail-gating and this leads to road rage. Agreed, you do not have to drive at the stated limit, which is fine if that's what you want but think about the people who can, and want to, drive at the limit. Just because you can not drive at the limit why should everyone else drive slowly?
14th Oct 05 09:10

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Nikki

Infosec Guy:

Just because the speed limit is 60 mph on a particular road, it doesn't mean to say that a) it is safe to drive at 60 or b) that you have to drive at 60. The various speed limits set on our roads are the MAXIMUM recommended speed, not the MANDATORY speed that you have to travel at. I don't agree that it is dangerous to drive at 40 on a 60 road. You drive according to the road conditions, not willy nilly at the maximum speed allowed.
10th Oct 05 06:10

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Infosec Guy

Driving at 40mph on a 60mph road causes frustration in the drivers behind and leads to dangerous over taking. If you cannot keep up witht the flow of modern traffic take a bus.

Speed doesn't kill, inappropriate speed kills. Innatention and poor observation kills. Too many driver sit in their cars like little safety cells ignoring what goes on around them. Indicators seem to be optional accessories now as do mirrors.

We need fewer speed cameras and more traffic police who can pull up poor drivers. Blaming everything on speed is over simplifying the problem.

Road deaths have increased after the mass introduction of cameras. they have their purpose but they should be in towns outside schools not on long stretches of motorway where they can only be sited to gain revenue.

We should also have variable speed limits like France where the limit drops in the rain or fog.
10th Oct 05 11:10

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Meatball

Speed Kills…FACT.

It’s not the driver going slower that causes the accident, it’s the impatient people behind them that need to get to their destination 5 minuets earlier that take the risks.
The speed limit set is the maximum you should be driving at in that area, if you are doing 25 in a 30 that shouldn’t mean you have another driver driving so close behind you can see their nose hair.
I get annoyed when people are driving slowly on the motorways, you shouldn’t be driving so slow that a lorry has to overtake you, or sit in the middle lane doing 65, if you want to go slow stay in the left lane if you want to break the speed limit go in the outside lane.
22nd Sep 05 03:09

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Nikki

I was hit by a motorbike going around 100 mph - it hurts!
19th Sep 05 12:09

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Revenge is nigh

I think all the people who drive dangerously (speed) should be hit by a car and see how it feels.
18th Sep 05 03:09

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Nikki

Often, not always, but often the driver with the powerful motor will be mature, in excess say of 35 years old, for two reasons. One, before that age you would have to be a millionaire to be able to afford to get fully comp. insurance on a decent car, and two, you would have to be in excess of that age to be earning enough money to afford a posh motor in the first place. Normally, more mature drivers in the 40 plus bracket have learned to drive carefully, and that means driving slowly. The more mature driver will not necessarily drive at 30 mph in a 30 mph limit. The speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed thatis considered safe to travel at in that particular area, NOT the speed that you should be definitely driving at willy nilly. The more mature driver in his 300 E Mercedes does not want to prang his pride and joy, nor does he want to kill somebody's child, so he will drive at the speed safe for the road conditions at the time, and that may well be going 20 in a 30 speed limit, or 40 in a 50.

All these things one learns as one matures. I used to drive like a bat out of hell in my little Fiat 500 in my youth, managing to get 70 out of it on the motorway I'm ashamed to say. I doubt I ever stuck to the speed limit, and I deserved to be banned from driving because of it. Now I am 51 I have learned that you get there just as quick whether you hurtle along the motorway at 90, or 70, and in the process you will save petrol, save wear and tear on your car, wear and tear on the planet and have a better chance of staying safe.

I agree some old people do seem as if they would benefit from retaking their tests, but frankly would you want these old codgers hurtling along when their reactions are probably 50% less than your's? I am glad they drive slowly, because their reactions are slow.

If we all slowed down and took more care on the roads they would be many less needless deaths each year.
5th Sep 05 02:09

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MAd Hatter

If we all drove at the correct speed limit then this country would be at a stand still every day.
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