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What really gets my goat up are irresponsible people who own dogs.  Other pet owners I can tolerate, but urban dog owners are the pits and in my opinion should be placed on wanted posters offering 'Dead or Alive' rewards.

Why, you may ask, this entire gripe about lovers of a man's best friend?  The reason is, dog-faeces or dog sh*t as it more popularly known!  Let us look at the modus opperandi of urban dog owners closely.  Urban dog owners houses and apartments literally stink of dog sweat, various mucous membrane dog fluids and dog's bad breath.  Urban dog owners clothes also emanate a putrid doggy odour and are covered with dog hair, alive with fleas and impregnated with flakes of mangy dog skin.  But that doesn't stop them hanging their coats amongst others in the coat rack or cloakroom.

They allow their dogs to lick you their dogs to lick you on meeting them in the street...

Urban dog owners allow their dogs to lick you on meeting them in the street, or when visiting them at home after they (the dogs that is) have been licking their sexual organs and/or anus and/or sniffing other dogs rectal region, as well as sniffing other dog's excrements lying in the street.

Urban dog owners offer you a lift home in their car (which you are to polite to refuse) and which nearly makes you throw-up because of the acrid doggy stench that has permeated into the upholstery you sit on.  If you are really unlucky the dog will be sitting in the back seat panting its reeking breath over your shoulder.

Dogs doo urban chaos Urban dog owners take their dogs for a walk several times a day in the neighbourhood, which usually means taking them just around the corner and letting them p*ss and sh*t right on the pavement in front of someone else's house, or at the base of the tree decorating the street, or in the local park where the neighbours take their kids at weekends, or expect to be able to send them out to play safely and healthily.  They take their pets with them on day outings, as if they were civilized people, to local fairs and events where they also defile amongst the stalls, on the parking lot or just in the street as if it were normal to do so.

Urban dog owners are mostly ignorant and oblivious of the fact they really do stink of dog, and that it is unsavoury for others to see a big steaming dog turd while taking a pleasant walk in the neighbourhood or visiting some local event/fair.

Dog poo bin Urban dog owners are also unaware that the amount of dried dog faeces (i.e. shit dust) suspended in the air of our towns and villages is one of the main causes of respitory problems, skin disorders and allergies amongst the inhabitants, especially children and the aged.  They are so accustomed to dog smells and other canine odours, that they do not notice the stench in the streets and parks that their dogs have visited, especially after the grass has been mowed by the town park keepers or on a hot summers day.  Town councils are ware of the complaints but say they are 'powerless' to do anything about it.  It is suggested that we should take photographs of those urban dog owners 'in action' when they are caught with their pets violating our civilization and desecrating our towns and villages.

The photos could be displayed on notice boards installed around the neighbourhood as a 'hall of shame' for all to take notice of.  Repeat offenders could have their dog licence revoked, their pets impounded and/or hefty fines imposed.

Alternatively, the inhabitants could undertake a court injunction to sue the offending urban dog owners for damages to health, property and the environment.  It is just a suggestion as maybe my gripe only affects and annoys me.


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Fed up Pedestrian

A novel approach to this problem was tried in New Taipei City in Taiwan a few years ago. Residents were offered a lottery ticket for each bag of poop handed in; 14,500 bags were collected, halving the amount of poop around the city.


I have no idea if they continued with the experiment or if it was a one off.
16th Jun 13 06:06

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boblet

Just taking the dog for a walk dearest. In reality they are taking it for a crap. Dog owners are predictable; they will go out with the dog at the same time day after day. They have nothing better to do. At a certain time & place the dog in charge of such a predictable owner will defecate, it is perfectly predictable. The mobile phone has now found its place in this routine walk. A romantic chat perhaps with the dog as a co conspirator.
14th Jun 13 04:06

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anon

Fook dog owners, The people you refer to wouldn't notice if you delivered it in a tipper truck! It's too similar to what's inside their skulls!
14th Jun 13 12:06

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Fook dog owners

Oh yes dog poo will break down over time no problem but how about we post your dog's poo through your letterbox and let it break down in your kitchen?
14th Jun 13 12:06

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DOG OWNER!

People need to calm down and stop blaming all dog owners, I for one have a dog and always pick up after her/keep her on a lead etc. It makes me angry that you are stereotyping dog owners as it is only a few who ruin it for everybody so I suggest you stop acting like you are above everyone else and take into consideration people's feelings about you putting them down for having a dog. You also constantly see cat faeces around but nobody takes a blind bit of notice to that as cat owners are obviously in a whole other band of people and rules to us commoner dog owners. So stop stereotyping us!
22nd Dec 12 11:12

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anonymous walker

Dogs shouldn't be allowed in public, special private dog runs and walks in a private country place should be invented,owners should have insurance so we people who dont like dogs can claim damages for things like leaping up on us,barking in our presence,leaving there dirt in public.
12th Nov 12 10:11

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Pedestrian

grumpyoldwoman, I have often wondered the same thing. I don't have a dog but have sometimes taken a friend's dog for a walk and I find that the bagging it up part is the nastiest bit - putting the bag in a bin is nothing after that.

Also, why do so many of them hang the offending bag up on a tree branch like smelly little Christmas decorations? Bizarre.
7th May 12 02:05

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grumpyoldwoman

What I don't get is bagging up the dog poo and then dumping the bag. WHY?

If you're going to dump the poo then just leave it out of the bag! (Not on the footpath though.) Then it will at least break down, and the rain and the worms will gradually process it into the ground.
7th May 12 12:05

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Anonymous

The majority of dog owners appear to lack any social conscience. Pleasant walks are spoilt by dogs running free despite 'keep dogs on lead' notices. Not being able to admire view due to dog mess on path. My experience over the last month in countryside and on the coast is as follows:-

Large dog charging up to me leaving saliva on my trousers, owner totally unconcerned.
Dog shaking water over me after coming out of sea. 'Dogs not allowed on beach' signs clearly posted.

Dogs treading over our picnic, owner thought this was 'sweet' and was very rude when I asked her to take them away.

Owners carefully picking up dog poo, then leaving it in the hedgerow.

Is there any enforcement when dog owners disregard these signs. Multiple ownership is increasing, up to four dogs is not unusual.My hobby of walking is spoilt by these irresponsible people. Does anyone else agree with me?
7th May 12 12:05

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Zyrcona

"Urban dog owners are also unaware that the amount of dried dog faeces (i.e. sh1t dust) suspended in the air of our towns and villages is one of the main causes of respitory problems, skin disorders and allergies amongst the inhabitants, especially children and the aged."

I have never seen any evidence to back up the claim you are making. I am convinced it is a load of rubbish you have made up because of your personal hate agenda.

Not all dogs smell and shed hair. Well-cared-for dogs do not have fleas. Not all dog owners will let their dog be out of control offlead and going up to strangers, and not all dog owners leave sh1t in places where it will inconvenience other people.

Some people who lived next door to me used to have a cat. The cat would sh1t all over my property and come into my house if the door was open. It would kill animals and strew the guts and limbs all over the garden and outside the back door. If I allowed my dog to do this, I would be arrested.
12th Sep 11 03:09

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WESTON BABE

With regard to cats being filthy animals, it's only because my front lawn was being used as a toilet by a neighbours cat. The heaps were so big, I thought it was a dog doing it, but I eventually saw the culprit. I love cats, used to have a few when we lived in the country, but in the city, they are a pest & I was sick of having to clear up after this one every day. I've tried everything...ornange rind, bits of hosepipes (look like snakes) & now I've got an ultrasonic detector / noise maker that seems to work with both cats and dogs. The cat uses another neighbours lawn now and he scoops it up and returns it to the cat's owner.
5th Aug 11 12:08

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I Like Birds

"Now cats...don't get me started on those filthy animals...."
Best thing I have read anywhere today, carry on.
4th Aug 11 05:08

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WESTON BABE

We used to have a Golden Retriever until he died in 1997 and thought I was doing well with him. We lived in the country and he was walked at least 3 times a day, slept in a proper kennel in outbuildings, was well fed, wormed, bathed...everything. I didn't consider it at the time, but not everybody likes dogs. We were no longer being invited to friends houses (dog hairs on my clothes and an all-pervading "doggy" smell) and no-one wanted to travel anywhere in mour car (it stank of wet dog, apparently and the seats had hairs on). Dogs do smell, they do eat the most disgusting things out in the countryside, they do lick people afterwards, they do leave hairs everywhere, no matter how much work you put into it. You cannot keep bathing a dog, you'll wash out all of it's natural oils that protect it.
Once we were dog-free, with a new car, we had a social life again.
Would I have another retriever again? You bet I would, if I lived in the countryside again...to see the sleek golden animal running through the forest or across the moors would be great...that's how dogs should be, not on the end of a bit of rope, being walked twice round the local park and along a street...to me that's no life.
Now cats...don't get me started on those filthy animals....
4th Aug 11 04:08

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Connor

Yeah I don't let my dog lick my face, or anyone else for that matter. You seem to have stereotyped all dog owners as filthy slobs who can't clean up after their own dogs.

Granted, I do see a lot of people who own dogs but can't look after them. Them dogs stink, yes. BUT I don't blame the dog for that, I blame the owners.

There are a lot of people who have dogs for the wrong reasons. A lot of them being used as status symbols, and it's not only the 'thugs' with their pit bulls or staffies who do this. The 'female twits' (Thanks Ed) also get dogs as status symbols, and I absolutely hate that. Seeing a girl walk around with a dog in her bag, it makes me sick.
11th Jul 11 10:07

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David

I don't care how "clean" you keep your dog, it's still going to smell.

And when it licks your face? Guess what it likely licked before that..? You guessed it! o_O

Our sidewalks, sides of buildings, and parks are literally loaded with dog feces and urine. I see a guy letting his dog go up the side of an estate agent's building daily. It stinks when you walk past the place! And these poor dogs should be on a farm somewhere so they can run free without having to be harnessed up by owners who do (or sometimes don't) take them for walks.
25th Jun 11 10:06

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Connor

I think this is quite a stupid thread. I have a dog, and I don't stink (I like to wash), I don't have dog hair all over me, I clean up my dog crap straight away, My dogs breath doesn't stink, it's very clean. A dogs mouth is cleaner than a humans mouth, but I always see people shoving tongues down each others throat and nobody complains about that. My dog is always kept clean, she has a brush everyday, sometimes twice a day, and all excess hair is vacuumed and thrown away. Sounds to me like you're being a bit of a dick for no reason.
21st Feb 11 01:02

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woof miaow

Yes Congo but as long as your humans treat you kindly why question their motives? It is probably beyond your comprehension so don't trouble your mind over it.
17th Jan 11 11:01

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Congo

How strange, the desire to own a pet.

One can readily accept the need for working dogs - shepherds, police, the blind and so forth - however to deliberately chose to have one of these unpleasant creatures in one's house is odd, to say the least.
17th Jan 11 09:01

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Kit

The RSPCA’s take on this is that it is “deed not breed” and dogs of any breed can be gentle or vicious. Recently though, the change has been that some people choose dogs, as GDL says, as an accessory to make them look hard or to teach them to be vicious and then use them as weapons.

In the past people who chose these breeds were real dog lovers who selected them from trusted breeders but now, many buy from back street “breeders” who select the most aggressive dogs to breed from and treat them viciously to encourage even more aggressive behaviour.

A friend of mine who is blind and has had guide dogs for several decades had, until recently, only experienced an attack on one of her dogs twice in twenty years, one of the attacks was by a Rottweiler and the other was actually a Labrador and another guide dog!

In the last year her dog has been attacked twice, once by a Staffy/Pit Bull cross and once by a Rottweiler when I was taking her dog for an evening walk for her. Her guide dog was not injured in the attacks as the owner in each case at least had the dog on a lead and between us we managed to pull it off before it did any physical damage. Her dog however was terrified.

The wrong people are choosing the wrong breeds for the wrong reasons.
16th Jan 11 08:01

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Man Friday

thinker - humans catch more diseases from other people than they do from dogs.

I have never allowed my dogs to sleep on our beds , always washed hands after preparing their food, treated them regularly for worms and fleas, and washed their dishes separately etc. Other than following sensible hygiene precautions like that I see no reason why dogs should not live indoors.

Most pet breeds are no longer very hardy and don’t do too well if they are left outside in cold weather. Also they are affectionate social animals and need the company of their “pack”.
8th Jan 11 07:01

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thinker

I'm right with you. I love dogs but they should live outdoors. It is disgusting to share
Your house with dogs; people who allow them inside are out of their minds and
Their comments to justify it are insane as well.
8th Jan 11 06:01

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Toby

Scoop up the poo and take it to the owner's house and smear it across their drive. I did this to a bad neighbour and like magic, this erstwhile serial miscreant was cured. In fact, they even gave me a chocolate cake last Christmas.
20th Dec 10 03:12

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Gill

The urban dog hater need to get a life I'm sure your
far from perfect mate hope a great big
Dog leaves a nice mess on your
Door step
6th Oct 10 10:10

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Bexter

"Dogs have just as much right to sh*t where they like just as much as us! Dogs smell like dogs cos its there natural smell, we smell like we do cos we polute the air and waterways with our Hide your natural stench toiletries that give us cancers! Every living being on this planet has a right but only us deny them the rights they deserve!"

Ok, I can see where you are coming from. I live next door to a playing field, the play footy there at the weekends, it is behind a school, A lot of children go there and play in the park and on the field. There is a very sweet old lady with a massive alsation that is as soppy as you like. However, she just leaves it's giant poo's all right in the main areas where people walk and play. Living in a forest there are incresing amounts of leaves falling, so some of these are "stealth poo's" that take you by surprise - like a ninja!

After ruining a new pair of pumps treding in one of these monsters, I have to wonder if it wouldn't hurt her to actually scoop it up and pop it in a plastic bag and take it back home with her? It's not unreasonable to expect a little consideration from dog owners and I just feel sorry for the people playing football!
18th Sep 10 06:09

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angry guy

WOW The person who wrote this gripe really hates dogs! Just like to point out though, why get a lift from someone who owns a dog when you hate the smell so much? Too polite to refuse a lift... yeah right, if you were a polite and nice person you wouldn't be slagging off somebody for a doggy smell in their car, especially when that person has just given you a ride home! You ungrateful nasty person.
15th Sep 10 08:09

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Yucky dogs

I dont want dogs INSIDE my house because they are dirty!!!
23rd Jun 10 06:06

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Yucky dogs

I dont want dogs INSIDE my house because they are dirty!!!
23rd Jun 10 06:06

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Pareil

Now listen to this logic! There are so many lonely (alone!) people here. What do they do? They run out and buy a dog! Then they have to walk the dog every day and what are they getting out of it? Nothing really, except a life of putting food in one end of something to have it come out the other end. So why don't all these lonely people - instead of buying a dog that craps everywhere - start dating someone in the city instead of bringing a DOG to the city? Wouldn't that make more sense? Less crap on the sidewalks that way!! People talk about unclaimed animals! There seem to be a lot MORE unclaimed PEOPLE here! Lonely, frustrated, any trying to give their all to a DOG when they SHOULD be giving it to a significant other!
9th Jun 10 03:06

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anon

Piss, poop or vomit, it a tough call, isn't it.
Piss, poop or vomit, it a tough call, isn't it.
14th May 10 12:05

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Loli

Better a pile of dog poop than a huge splatter of drunk idiot vomit at the bus stop.
13th May 10 05:05

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Asia

What really gets my goat up are irresponsible people who own cats. You see, they release their cats out into the streets, free to roam onto other's property as they please, free to murder other people's innocent pets and free to poop and pi$$ all over someone else's garden.

Man you are stupid.
4th May 10 05:05

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nodogs

@ Youthful Griper
I meant dog crap residue, skid marks, the ones they leave after scooping up.
The ones my kids show me, the ones my kids trod on...yuk.
And yes, lets hope the rain comes soon.
21st Apr 10 03:04

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Youthful Griper

What can you do about dog wee? In the words of Paul Daniels, 'Ho ho, not a lot'. It'll trickle away, get washed away with the rain, evapourate possibly.

As for residue, I fear you're going too far now. Who walks around worrying about what residue might be on the pavement - unless you're walking around in bare feet or socks. You might as well worry about everything else that has been on the pavement and lefts its mark. You might as well walk around with plastic bags on your feet and have a bowl of disinfectant by your outside doors to wash the soles of your shoes with. Dog crap I can understand, urinary residue is something else I've yet to add to my list of worries.

When I used to walk to and from work I'd have to encounter mounds of alsorts so do understand why people get irrate about it, it really got to me as well. I wrote to the council on a number of occasions asking them to supply red dog litter bins but was told they wouldn't and instead would put out normal litter bins!! Oh and they spray painted 'Pick up or pay up' notices on the pavement, which have seen eroded away!

My parents have a small dog; they don't smell of dog and nor does their home. The dog doesn't malt either so no dog hair everywhere.
21st Apr 10 01:04

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Denise the menice

Jen, yes he's totally gross. But he mite be a whacko (sounds like it).
21st Apr 10 01:04

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Rider of the Apocalypse

Hi Jen, nice to see you back, I have a Dog, you must be a Dog or to be more accurate a female Dog, whats a female Dog called again? :-) you need to get your owner to take you out more often.
21st Apr 10 10:04

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Jen

What a silly man you are. Do you do this every day? I can understand that possibly no one cares to talk to you. You could get a dog.
21st Apr 10 10:04

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Rider of the Apocalypse

I can smell something, has someone let one go? definitely a beer and curry fart, damn! humans polluting the air...
21st Apr 10 10:04

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nodogs

I really hate dogs, for all the above reasons (excluding guide
dogs)
I have notice that even dog lovers are complaining as well,Good.
Now you know how the rest of us feel.
You render the foot paths and parks with endless poo and pee.
The stench is unbelievable.
Some claim they are responsiable and they pick it up,but on countless
walks, my kids point out to me where the offending dog and owner, leaves
a lot of residue behind. And what about the wee, how do you rid that?
May be dog owners should have a bottle of bleach and brush at all times.

Dogs are truly man's worse enemy.They are scavengers,and will trade
unconditional love, for a can of food.

I Have yet to meet dog owners, whose houses, clothes, cars and much
more, that dont smell of dog.Not to mention the dog hairs.

Dogs should be kept in zoos. So people who love them can go and
visit them, just like any other dangerous four legged animals.

How nice it would be to live in a dog-free world...... No I need
my dog, because nobody else talk or listen to me. Sit, stop, come
here........Stupid dog.
21st Apr 10 09:04

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Rider of the Apocalypse

walker - I agree 100% with you, unfortunately Human logic in 21st century Britain is beyond my understanding. The Dog walkers concerned, pick up their dog poo to avoid paying the mandatory fine if they get caught, then whilst nobody is looking they throw it in the bushes. Whilst riding my gee gee in the woods in the Autumn, the leaves start to drop and you can see the true extent of this behaviour, its like the trees and bushes have been decorated top to bottom with doggy poo bags. With attitudes like that from a lot of irresponsible people, I really do fear for the future....
20th Apr 10 02:04

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Noneedforname

Another thing is... what about cats? They come into your garden uninvited, often after you have recently planted some flowers or weeded, take a sh+t and then p+ss off!

p.s. love the post about the elephants. Laughed my head off!
4th Mar 10 01:03

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Noneedforname

Firstly I thought this was some kind of joke, especially as it says "Dog owners are irresponsible". Not "some" or even "many"! Are you for real????

Well I am a very proud dog owner and am extremely responsible for my dog and it's actions. I wouldn't let my dog lick any part of you incase my poor pooch was infected with whatever you have. And as for offering you a lift in my car!!! It would only let you near my car for the purpose of running you over but would make sure my dog was comfy inside first!!!!
4th Mar 10 01:03

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walker

dog pooh in bags hanging off branches really gets me mad, why would I want to see a hanging bag of s**t (mainly seethrough) when going on a walk with my dog when tha people responsible could use the dog bins like I and others do and make my walk pleasent
18th Feb 10 04:02

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Balance

I have an ingenious solution to the "owners allow their dogs to lick you on meeting them in the street..." Are you ready??? It's mind boggling:

Stand up.

And for those who "offer you a lift home in their car (which you are to polite to refuse)..." Another solution worthy of the Nobel prize: Be 'rude', refuse. Chances are the driver is 'to' polite to see your pristine pathetic patootie walking in inclement weather.

Honestly, this article reads as if it was written with someone who's got way too much time on their hands. And not many friends.
15th Feb 10 01:02

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angry at you

I also once saw a young mum sliding in fresh poop in her flip flops (not for fun, im quite sure it was involuntary)
27th Jan 10 10:01

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angry at you

I hate that my eyes are always looking out onto the pavement to check for dog turd. every few yards and there is a nice fresh, steamy, rank pile of doggy doos to jump over or swerve around. and the latest thang amongst irresponsible dog owners is for them to yes, put the poop in a black bag, but THEN they throw it on the pavement! im sure that some unsuspecting person will then step on the bag and what if it exploded all over them/?????????????????? ARGH! I also once saw a bag of dog poop hanging up on some house's metal fence. I really want to walk past poop at face level, with it hanging up like some sort of trophy. how nice.
27th Jan 10 10:01

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nikki

LOVE you posting Philip !! Especially the bit about your rottie eating your girlies during the night!!

I can forgive your spelling for the good belly laugh !!
21st Dec 09 08:12

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Dogs are awesome

get over yourself. seriously. maybe get an education while you're at it. spelling....
3rd Dec 09 12:12

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philip

I am an urban dog owner and I dont stink like a dog even though I own the most evil breed known to man, the rottweiler! well I dont think I stink anyway as I workout twice a day and shower after each workout, none of the many beutiful young ladys who come home with me on a weekend complain and I have already at 26 had 2 2girl sessions! well they didnt get time to complain because my rottie ate them during the night.
21st Nov 09 01:11

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bitbro

we are manufacturer and expoters of horse bits and leather hats
25th Oct 09 01:10

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Carole Heath Wallington Surrey

I agree with this article about some dog owners that don't pick up their dog's mess, I have this problem in my area, I have a byway near my house and recently the neighbours have cleared it up and planted some nice plants to make it more nicer for the residents. I went down there today and low and behold more dog's mess, I wished I could catch the peole who leave it all down the byway. I have a Dog myself but I always pick up after my Dog even when he goes in the road as that can be walked into people's homes when stepped on. It isn't the Dog's fault it is the bad owners.
2nd Oct 09 10:10

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grvmpyoldwoman

I"ve got two elephants. One of them is called Jumbo, but the second one doesn"t have a name because I can"t think of another name for an elephant. I could call it Dumbo, but it hasn"t got particularly big ears and anyway, it sounds too much like Jumbo and it might get confusing for the other elephant if I was shouting one of them in for its tea.
23rd Sep 09 08:09

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Nikki

I disagree that dogs have no place in cities. What I would comment that the animals who do not belong in cities are those of the human variety who cannot pick up after their dogs.
7th Jul 09 11:07

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Mr Hicks

A very Intelligent Letter,I could not agree more.My home town of croydon is Knee-deep in dog Faeces.I cannot walk safely through my Local park either.Dogs have no place in citys.
7th Jul 09 09:07

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KEEPING IT REAL

Great post!!!

I will admit that there is a (very)small group of people out there that truly know how to properly take care of a dog, while at the same time being courteous to others who do not share in this love of pets.

Most of you so called dog owners just are unrealistic idiots, that have their heads so far up their own a**es that they don't have time to stop and "smell the roses", wake up all of you a**holes.. we don't want your smelly sh*t all over our streets and yards, if you insist on being a pet owner then be a responsible one and stay home and keep all of the sh*t and piss in your own yard!!!

And to all of you dumb a**es that will respond to this post "F*** OFF IN ADVANCE"
4th Jun 09 01:06

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Nikki

A very good point Jenni !

Well said !!

And neither do dogs have bad breath if they are fed properly.
6th May 09 12:05

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Jenni

If you're going to make points, make sure they're factual.
Dogs don't sweat - FACT!
6th May 09 11:05

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Gobsmacked

I don't have a dog, and have never had one. That said, I have many dear friends who keep dogs, and have never found thier homes to be dirty, or their cars and clothes to smell. Their dogs are often better behaved than many children I meet, and coming accross dogs on a day out is lovely - so nice to see a family out walking with a dog rather than sat at home becoming an obese burden on society.

I am with 'Brighter than you' on this one, you come accross very uninformed. I get the impression that you are bitter about a dog/owner in particular, and the urban dog population has, as a result, come under attack. Am I correct?

Plus, while we are discussing sociably acceptible behaviour - when someone is as kind as to offer you a lift in their car, appreciation is socially more acceptable than mocking them online.
29th Mar 09 07:03

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frivolous objector

I dont like people who dont like dogs especially ones who are obsessed with it...get a life.
1st Mar 09 10:03

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Tats

Although as a parent and citizen, I wholeheartedly agree with owners picking up after their dogs, however the idea that all dog owners are like that is a bit unfair. And the comment that sh*t dust is causing skin and resporatory ailments is just ridiculous! I agree with Lassie, there are many people who have poor hygiene standards, in my opinion, and they cannot and should not be banned from life as they wish to live it. I find them unpleasant and I move! Simples! to coin a phrase! What is wrong with finding comfort and friendship in an animal? They don't lie to you, don't pretend to be something they are not and are loyal. Sometimes I much prefer the company of my animals "what you see is what you get" no bullsh*t!
11th Feb 09 09:02

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Lassie

I fully agree that the cases you described are instances of revolting and disgusting behaviour. But your hatred of "urban dogs" is not justified and your judgement is quite unfair. The unpleasant things you mention are not specific to the dog but to the owner's lack of manners and respect for other human beings. I could also argue that on buses and trains there are lots of people who stink and whose breath is real poison and who also unahamedly consume foul smelling food. Should these people be banned from London? I should be delighted but it is not possible. At least dogs have an excuse, they cannot bathe themselves or brush their teeth,,,,
11th Feb 09 08:02

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I agree - I am 'almost' of the opinion that dogs should ONLY be kept if they are 'working' dogs; for the great many 'responsible' dog owner (for there are some) who among other things clear up after themselves there are more than enough whose attitude appears somewhat self-centred and subsequently unsocial. What is really disbelieving (among the many faults!!) is those that pick up in a plastic bag...and then leave the package secreted amongst the undergrowth!!!!! How foul can You People Be!! Better if there were simply no dependence on the beasts large or small then, in addition, we would be free of so called 'charities' the purpose of which is to look after the excess population of 'poor wee abandoned ...' (how shocking) beasts of perversion - talk about a waste of money and resources. A virtuous circle - and just how virtuous they often seem to feel.... If you do love dogs then give them a break and Stop over breeding and rejoin civil society without the social crutch
4th Jan 09 05:01

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i love my dogs

you, clearly, have serious issues. I suggest you seek professional help. I have two dogs and my house does not smell, I do housework.......that means my house is clean...... that means it doesn't smell. My dogs have been trained and are better behaved than many peoples children.
6th Dec 08 09:12

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teabelly

have you tried therapy or just set up your own republic with other like minded individuals
4th Dec 08 12:12

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Nikki

You have a serious problem sickofit if you truly believe the tripe that you have just written. I will answer each point you make, point by point:

I am a dog lover, I am also a horse lover. I love all animals, people included. I am a very fortunate human being in that I have many friends who love me as I love them. And I love it when people "talk back to me". I love a good argument.

Unfortunately, my dog "disagrees" with me frequently. Fortunately, as a responsible and good dog owner, I am able to deal with his "disagreements" in a calm, firm manner.

One of my pet hates is dog pooh. My dog neither urinates nor defecates in my house, or anybody else's house. Neither will he defecate in my garden, or anyone else's garden. He is trained to "go" in an appropriate place where I can "pick up".

My house does not smell of dog. My dog does not smell because he is looked after properly.

Your pathetic attempt to hide YOUR hatred of dogs is, to use your final words, "sickening really".
23rd Nov 08 07:11

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sickofit

I truely believe these dog owners have dogs because nobody else loves them. they hate it when anyone talks back to them. I have observed that most of these supposed dog lovers can't stand for others to disagree with them. That's why they have dogs, because the dogs don't disagree with them. they like to live with the dog piss and poo in thier homes and the smell of dirty dog. They will put up with anything to have this unconditional love. Sickening really
22nd Nov 08 10:11

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sickofit

I don't understand these dog owners! My "X" friend was asked not to bring her dogs to my NEW house yet still persisted to do so. Does she not understand that we do not live in filth as she choses to do with dog poo and piss everywhere? I love animals but c'mon now! Sometimes people are even asked not to bring thier children to certain functions and they can respect that. These so called dog lovers have a serious problem.
22nd Nov 08 10:11

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Tony W

Please please please can someone tell my why dog owners are so persecuted? I am the proud owner of two dogs and I am fed up with people telling me, notices, and every kind of threat short of the death sentence if I dont pick up after my dog.

Well I do, and so do most dog owners. I agree it is unpleasant to tread in dog pooh and people that dont pick it up should be fined, but £1000, you get less than that for robbery. Why pick on dog owners anyway, what about cats? They are worse, doing their business everywhere, in gardens and childrens sandpits given the chance, disgusting!

What about a fine for their owners? Just as annoying are the feral children that blight this country, smashing glass everywhere, on playing fields and pavements, what happens when my dogs cut their paws on the glass, do the kids or their parents, in the unlikely event of them having both still together, get fined, of course not and children should know better.

So perhaps my dogs mean to do their business in parks, just to get their own back, I dont blame them, but I still scoop the poop.
16th Nov 08 04:11

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ored of people moaning about

"Urban dog owners are also unaware that the amount of dried dog faeces (i.e. sh*t dust) suspended in the air of our towns and villages is one of the main causes of respitory problems"

Is that right? I always thought it was due to pollution from road traffic, factory and power plant emissions, etc etc. Silly me. I never realised we were all choking to death because of dog-doo.

Ridiculous.
18th Sep 08 05:09

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Loki

Near my house there is this teenage boy who walks by with his shih tzu and lets it defecate on the lawn! I am a great lover of dogs but this I can not tolerate. People who don't pick up after their dogs should recieve a 5000 dollar fine! Maybe that will knock some sense into these disrespectful citizens!
28th Jul 08 07:07

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What about all the wild animals that take dumps and leaks against the pretty tree adorning to bottom of the street where all the little darlings play. At least dogs are vet checked!!!!!
This seems to be a general dog hating rant, yes SOME dog owners are ireesponsible but then again that is a human trait, can I ban all children from town cos they cry and scream, pick their noses and then proceed to pick sweets out from the pick n mix tub???? I wish I really do!!!!!! How bout the parents that allow children to piss in parks, in phone booths generally everywhere but a loo, can I ban these as well???
We all have out pet peeves, get on with life- there's bigger things in life to worry about than animals that piss in public, would you be impressed if we all trained them to use out toilets? NO cos you would then complain about the extra toilet usage!!!
14th Jul 08 12:07

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Nikki

We've just got a new puppy too Digsy. A GSD cross malamute, he is absolutely gorgeous but totally destructive.

Best of luck with your search for the right dog.
14th Jul 08 12:07

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Digsy

Hiya Nikki, nice to see you back ! Guess what ? ! ! We're taking the plunge and finally getting a dog!! A mini labradoodle to be precise and I can't find one ANYWHERE ! ! Humph. Me and the kids are dead excited as well.
12th Jul 08 11:07

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Nikki

Yup, I guessed this, but the trouble is they are not picking the bag up on their way home ... they are leaving it behind, so bang goes that theory I'm afraid. The truth is that at least some of them are filthy people who don't really want to pick up after their dog at all, but are forced to by bylaws, and then just throw the bag into the bushes or hang it on a branch.

To my mind, this is more disgusting than just leaving the poo where it falls in the first place because the poo is still there and in addition the plastic poo bag is going to be hanging around for decades polluting the planet.
11th Jul 08 12:07

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Mr. Seaside & Nikki - Dog owners who pick up after their dog and leave the bag on the side of the park path do so because they dotn want to carry the bag with them for the next 2 hours all over the park (most park dont have trash cans within them, only at the entry points to the park) so they place the bag on the side so that when they are returning they can pick it up and throw it out.
Noise? Last time I heard noise around me it was from kids/teenages in the area not from dogs.
11th Jul 08 01:07

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Nikki

Urbanites are no different from ruralites - they can be animal lovers, willy nilly of where they live. Why should dogs be banned in cities and towns? Personally, I would like to see the scrotes banned from our cities and towns - the thugs who roam the streets in drunken gangs, frequently armed with knives, tanked up to the eyeballs on drugs and/or alcohol, causing mayhem. When did you last see a dog high on coke, p*****d out of his eyeballs on Fosters, or armed to the teeth with a deadly weapon?
19th Jun 08 10:06

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Pete

Dog owners are irresponsible. Get this people, if you are a dog owner you are irresponsible.

Why not give a subject heading? 'Those dog owners that are irresponsible'.

Fed_Up_With_The_Mess - To be truthful, I'd rather have a dog as a companion than a human. They don't let you down like people do.

As for the barking, this can be reported. To ban dogs in cities and towns, be realistic, it won't be happening.
19th Jun 08 08:06

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Excellent comments!
Why must some urbanites persist in having dogs in the first place? I guess it's because they have trouble communicating with others of the human race.
What about the noise! It's really annoying to have to suffer someone elses dog barking/howling all day while they do their shift at the glue factory.
Ban dogs in cities and towns at least.
Give others a rest from the noise and mess.
19th Jun 08 01:06

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Fed_Up_With_The_Mess

Excellent comments!
Why must some urbanites persist in having dogs in the first place? I guess it's because they have trouble communicating with others of the human race.
What about the noise! It's really annoying to have to suffer someone elses dog barking/howling all day while they do their shift at the glue factory.
Ban dogs in cities and towns at least.
Give others a rest from the noise and mess.
18th Jun 08 10:06

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Nikki

Mr Seaside: you have just hit on one of the mysteries of life I reckon ! Frequently I notice these neat little parcels as I walk my dog around the local woods and countryside. What the hell is that all about !! They go to all the trouble to responsibly pick up and bag the stuff, but then chuck the bag down somewhere to pollute for the next 10 years until the bag disintegrates.

Why is it so hard to carry home a little bag of dog poo? It beats me. Answers on a postcard please !!
11th Jun 08 04:06

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Mr. Seaside

The worst type of dog owner is the moronic one who spends the time picking up the turd with a plastic bag, tying a knot in it and then tossing it into bushes where it will fester for years to come. Maybe anyone can tell us exactly WHY this procedure is carried out? If its because there are no bins, i'm sorry, if its sealed in a bag, put it in your pocket until you get home you mindless fools.
11th Jun 08 02:06

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Craig walker

talking dogs? sheer nonsence where did you hear of such things? poopycock I tell the! sheer blastphomy, a week in the 'old shed' for you my boy, followed by simultaneous rapings.
10th Jun 08 11:06

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Bunnyboiler

What a happy bunny you are. I wouldn't let my dog lick you in case he caught something from you. Too many of you annoying morons about. I bet you hate kids as well & think the aged should be put down when they reach 65. Short tempered red necks we can do without. There are a lot worse things out there than dogs, retarded ar*eholes like you for one.If I knew where you lived I would post you one a day. Giant sized by first class post so as to be fresh.
21st May 08 10:05

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Nikki

It was be too embarrassing indeed Nige ! I for one would never live it down in the local pub, and in addition I have better things to do with my spare time.
15th May 08 11:05

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Nige

Taking a photo of a dog taking a crap? If you are up for this then crack on. There's no way I'm ever going to risk being seen taking a photo. I could never live with myself, the ridicule, madness.

I read it was suggested by the council to perform such an act. Yes, for you won't find them out photographing dogs, never!
14th May 08 02:05

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Jamie

The pharmacy called...your lithium is ready...

Maybe you can get a nice new tinfoil hat while you're there?

(Poo dust?? I'd say give your head a shake, but I'd be afraid you'd contribute to this blight of air-borne fecal matter...)
14th May 08 02:05

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Pete

I'm a dog owner, I'm not irresponsible. The owner of this gripe should be living in an oxygen tent, just like that of Wacko Jacko's.
14th May 08 11:05

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LOL, you really need to take your meds.
Sure you are entitled to your rants, however, I know many animal (even dog :o ) owners that are nothing like you describe.
Give your head a shake and try typing about things you have some what of a clue about.
lol
13th May 08 10:05

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girlvamp

I think your problem goes deeper than dog poo. Seriously, I think you need some medication. I don't have dogs, I have cats, which I imagine would make your skin crawl at thinking how "unclean" they might be. I feel sorry for you that you will never know how wonderful it is to have one of these loving little creatures to share their life with you. I suspect you have missed a very important dose of medication and that's what prompted you to write this. Either that or your just a miserable person.
13th May 08 07:05

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Lily

If dog poo grosses you out, then know that you walk upon surfaces full of excrement of many critters, ranging from bacteria, worms, birds, squirrels, insects and the odd police horse. And be careful where you put your hands in public. How many humans take a dump and don't wash their hands after? Everyone else's sh*t stinks and yours smell like roses, right? The next time you attend a public election and stand inside the little voting stand, take a big whiff at the curtain that you will pull for voting privacy. If you don't like that idea, wear white gloves and carry a pouch of herbs over your mouth/nose just like they did during the plague.
13th May 08 07:05

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J&M's Mom

I am not sure whether you are ignorant or just plain stupid. If you really think that sh*t dust as you call it is the main cause of respitory problems, you must be deluded and living in some sort of a dream world where you see and believe only what your imagination wants or allows you to. Clearly you are not aware of poluttion caused by factories, trucks and other emissions that are pollution our airways. Maybe you should do some proper research before everyone finds out what sorts of clown you really are. If that doesnt help clear your mind of this false information, may I suggest some serious therapy sessions.
13th May 08 07:05

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pugloversunite

As a dog owner I must say yiur little gripe is offensive, how dare you condemn dog owners as filthy, ignorant, and a pimple on society's rear. Your language makes you appear to be ingorant and foul, the very thing you say we dog owners are. I kniw for a fact that I don't reek of doggy odour as I am diligent in keeping myself and my four-legged furry faces clean and fresh. My suggestion to you is if you are offended by the smell of FECES you should pull your head out of your rear and take a deep breath.
18th Apr 08 02:04

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pugmom

"BE NICE - Messages posted that are offensive either to an individual, group or company, or that contain an excessive number of swear words will be removed. Try to be nice and criticize constructively!" ............there is no nice way to address this individual. I suggest this person move to the moon ....oops ...no man has been there and probably deposited some dog hair ...How about Saturn ?????????? gggeeeezzzzzzzz luuuuuuuuuueeeseeee person get a life.
I would like to invite you to my house ...just so I could watch you choke.
15th Apr 08 02:04

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Nikki

Some people bang on about the dangers of dog poo. Cat poo is just as dangerous. Humans can become infected with parasites from cat poo just as they can from dog.

And just because cats bury it, to my mind does make it any more acceptable. In fact, to me less acceptable, because you can't see the damned stuff. There you are on a lovely sunny day busily weeding your flowerbed, you plunge your fingers around the root of a weed to pull it out, but instead get a fistful of cat poo ... charming !! At least you can see dog faeces, as unpleasant as it is to tread in it.

Next door's cat has taken a shine to one of my pots full of bulbs ... three times now I have had to replant these. Time to let the husky out on the rampage methinks !!
15th Apr 08 10:04

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Crystal... loving mom to a 9 y

Evidently you don't know too many dog owners, only the ones you see leaving their dog's feces on the ground. And for that being the case for allergies, then is my dog allergic to herself? No, I took her for tests and she is allergic to trees, grass, weeds, human dander, etc. Not HERSELF!!! Get off your high horse. You don't have to take a ride from someone who has a dog and you don't have to put your coat in the coat closet. Leave it on the back of your chair. Control your own actions and leave the responsible pet owners alone.

PS. My dog smells like sour apple because she gets a bath and conditioner every 3 weeks, gets 2 kinds of flea/tick/HWT preventative, and gets a raw diet so her poops dissintegrate within 2 days. So evidently, I can't be one of those "dog owners" you enjoying griping about.
15th Apr 08 12:04

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grace

I certainly hope you find friends that do not own dogs. I have a dog, I carry plastic bags to pick up the poo, I do not allow my dog to approach anyone w/o their permission, and I am not offended if I offer a ride to someone and they prefer to walk. I am sorry you that you have lumped all dog owners together.
15th Apr 08 12:04

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D. Ryan

I love how you have lumped all dog owners into the same group. You obviously don't know many responsible pet owners. My dog is clean, bathed regularly, and treated to prevent fleas and ticks or any other parasite. I pick up her waste and dispose of it properly. Yes my house and my car do have fur in them and they do smell like animals but thats what a vacuum and air fresheners are for. I do not allow my dog to lick or jump on anyone unless they choose to come over and say hello. Truth be told, a lot of what you say can be applied to people with small children. I should be able to walk my dog or take her to the pet store or the dog park without kids running by and screaming or pulling her tail or trying to hit her. And maybe I don't enjoy getting in someone's car and putting my hand in a patch of crusted, sticky juice their little one spilled or going to their home and having their toddler latched to my leg drooling all over me. Should we ban you from taking your precious progeny where ever you want? I'm sure if you were a responsible parent and someone complained about you bringing your kid to a department store..you'd be a little irritated. And crap dust being a number one cause of respiratory problems and allergies...I'd like to see where you get your statistics from. You also might want to keep in mind...that some of those veggies and meats you cram in your ill informed, ignorant face...were probably at one point covered in feces because the last time I checked cows and chickens poop outside (in the area they live in) and manure is made from crap. So think about that the next time you mow down a hamburger.
15th Apr 08 12:04

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grace

I certainly hope you find friends that do not own dogs. I have a dog, I carry plastic bags to pick up the poo, I do not allow my dog to approach anyone w/o their permission, and I am not offended if I offer a ride to someone and they prefer to walk. I am sorry you that you have lumped all dog owners together.
14th Apr 08 11:04

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dillypin

Excuse me but Bertie is a clean dog who does not have fleas. He is also wormed regularly and as for sitting in my car he sits on the back seat which has been pug proofed with a nice soft travelling blanket on the seat and a faux sheepskin fleece on the back which is wasshed regularly.

SO stick that where the sun doesn't shine!!!!!!!
14th Apr 08 10:04

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SarahKing

That would be good. The ignorance of some people is unbelievable!!! Do they forget that the queen herself owns about 10 corgis?! Theres nothing common about having a dog as pet. I dont know what sort of neighbourhood this person lives in but it certainly isn't an estate like mine.
14th Apr 08 10:04

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Nikki

Hi Sarah. I can lend you my cat chasing husky mal cross if you like! He won't hurt the cats, just chase them out of the garden! However, beware the wrath of Irish : see the "Rottweiler kept as a guard dog" thread !!
14th Apr 08 10:04

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SarahKing

I find it completely unbelievable that these people would moan about dogs, but not one thought with regards to all the cats in the neighbourhood? Take our street for example, I am a dog owner, and the only "crap" in my garden is from the bloke's cat next door. When I choose to exercise my dogs they are on a tight lead, and they don't bother anyone. I control where they go, who they see, what other animals they interact with. I also pick up their faeces and dispose of them in the bins the council provide.

What are your thoughts when you let your cat out of the front door in the morning? You have no control over where the cat goes, what fleas, ticks or other 'germs' it might pick up, where it does it's business (IN MY GARDEN!), what dead birds or rodents it rolls about with, but I bet you open your door to it in the evening and sit with it on the sofa. Whats more I bet you dont think twice when it comes rubbing itself round the feet and legs of your guests. I could bet ANY cat owner any amount of money that my dogs are cleaner than their cat is.
14th Apr 08 10:04

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DogsRuleandPeopleSuck

Wow...you really are deluded, tarring all dog owners with the same brush. Sure, some dog owners stink, they don't pick up their crap and are generally totally idiots. But they are the MINORITY.

Healthy dogs don't smell. Peope who care about their hygiene don't smell of dog, and nor do their houses. Responsible owners pick up their dogs crap. Responsible owners do more than "take them around the corner" to toilet - they actually *gasp* WALK their dogs to exercise them. Responsible dog owners do not allow their dogs to lick or annoy anyone.

In regard to crapping...wild animals crap and piss everywhere. If you really think that any public space is clean, again, you are deluded.

If you all can do is pick on innocent animals, you obviously don't have much of a life and have too much time on your hands. Get a grip on reality.
5th Apr 08 06:04

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polkadots

as a dog owner, I have every right to take my dog anywhere I please. they are not a lower level, we all are animals, we urinate and excrete waste just like any other animal on the planet. there are only a few ignorant dog owners who dont bother cleaning up their animals waste. secondly they have not heard of lint rollers, so you cant blame them for that. if you have a buddy or an aquaintence get them a lint roller as a gift, ok? there all is well...
6th Mar 08 06:03

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dog hater

I entirely agree with the poster. I have new neighbours, whose dog appears to be getting over the fence (which is over 5 ft high) and using our garden as a lavatory. The gardens are small and I simply do not see why someone with such a small garedn would think it appropriate to own a dog. Worse still are those who keep dogs in flats with no outdoor space. Dogs are unclean, their mess causes various infections, and we non-dog lovers should be able to to our live without intrusion from those who make the lifestyle choice of owning one. I am terrified of dogs and cannot go to the local park for fear of their being dogs that are not on leads. It is bad enough in the street. My own garden is one of the few places I should be guaranteed of not encountering a dog, yet it seems even this is not possible.

What really disgusts me is most owners attitudes. If a dog comes towards me and I try to get away or panic or tell the owners to call it off, they simply tell me that their dog is well behaved and "it's ok." Well, I have news for you: It's not ok! I have many interests and pleasures in life. If I chose to inflict those on others I would expect to be criticised. Why should pet owners be safe from criticism
2nd Jan 08 02:01

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Fed up of Tunbridge Wells

There is some truth in what your correspondent states but the sweeping generalization not to mention poor spelling and bad grammar discipates the argument. He, or may it be she, has a very jaundiced view of dog owners, of which I am one, and evidences their intollerance and ignorance. Good pet owners, which are in the great majority, look after their animals ensuring that they are clean and well groomed. More importantly they clean up after them. Similarly some cat owners permit their pets to foul other peoples' gardens but no mention is made of this. All faeces are toxic and / or pollutant in one way or another, please remember that. There is no such thing as a bad pet only a bad pet owner and if your correspondent is aware of ill kept pets or owners who permit fouling I suggest they report them to the authorities. Generalized vitriolic attacks in this medium evidence moral cowardice. Get off your backside and do something.
30th Dec 07 09:12

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Nikki

Well said digger. Sadly, I recently had to have my beloved husky cross put down, but I had been considering applying for him to become a PAT dog (Pets As Therapy) and take him into our local hospital to visit the sick, particularly children. When my daughter was very ill in Addenbrookes with Crohns Disease when she was 14/15, there was a gorgeous Newfoundland PAT dog who used to come and visit her. Being dog mad, it did her no end of good and me too.
21st Nov 07 10:11

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digger

It is a fact that many visually and aurally impaired people, as well as lonely, aged people rely in so many ways on their canine companions. The author of this gripe should avoid dogs, if they are so anti them as I do with many things which annoy me .I, and many others, would like to see the proof that dogs are so harmful to the human species. It is these totally negative and intollerant beliefs which are making this world the dangerous place it is.I believe that intollerance is very often born of ignorance. Perhaps we should attempt to see the positive side of things and we would all be happier people.
15th Nov 07 11:11

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mrs a
thanks, i'm glad you agree. us dog owners have to be responsible for our pets or we can get fined. it's about time other pet owners are made responsible, it drives me nuts when i'm planting my beans and put my hand in some cat sh*t. if my dog went nextdoor and sh*t they would moan like mad, but it's ok for cats!!!!!!!!!
8th Nov 07 10:11

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Nikki

Science Guy: it is simple isn't it. Just pure commonsense. And yet we - supposedly the most intelligent of all species, although sometimes I very much doubt it - as human beings make so much fuss and song and dance about something that every living thing on this planet produces, ie waste matter.
7th Nov 07 08:11

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Science Guy

To the writer of the gripe:
It is believed that about one cubic foot of methane gas is created from 1lb of cow manure at 75F. This is enough gas to cook three daily meals for 4-6 people (do some research if you don't believe me!). In terms of burps, 200-400 quarts of methane gas comes out of cows daily! And, since methane gas causes 18% of the greenhouse effect, I can say you have more to fear from cow poop then dog 'dust'.

I've never heard of dog poop causing respiratory problems, but a single gram of dog waste can contain 23 million fecal coliform bacteria and dogs can be a significant host to giardia and salmonella. However, if you don't go around licking the piles of waste, its safe to say you'll be fine.

Moral of the story? Pick up your animal's poop, wash your hands, and lay off the dog owners.
7th Nov 07 02:11

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jules,
I know exactly what you mean!! My neighbour's cat only poops in our backyard and when I asked her to help me clean it up, she swore at me. What sort of responsible pet owner is that? If my dog bit someone, I'd be held responsible. Yet when someone's cat paints my yard brown (or rips my bin bags, digs up my plants, sprays, etc), I get told 'thats cats for you'.

The cat has figured out that my dog won't hurt it though, so even the dog can't chase it away!
7th Nov 07 02:11

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Chattel Grid

I have never ever really had a close relationship with my dog. Nor would I consider doing so. I have no time for this. But some owners really. Goats are another matter. So are sheep. They don't really matter at all. Will owners of all these beasts stop thinking they have common law rights of droving and pasturing there animals near me. They don't. Stay away.
18th Oct 07 07:10

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Nikki

Valerian: yes, contact your local District Council and find out who the Dog Warden is for your area, and then ring him or her. He/she will visit the dogs' owner and point out to her the error of her ways, how cruel she is being etc. etc.

The Dog Warden's role is to educate rather than punish, although they do have legal powers I believe to impound dogs.
18th Oct 07 07:10

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Valerian

The problem described above is not confined to urban areas. We moved from a noisy area to the hills in Wales. The farmers dogs are well trained and not a problem but the English who move here to experience the rural life end up with a load of dogs to go with their lifestyle and usually leave them tied up all day whilst they are out (so as not to worry the sheep or get the dog shot). At the moment we have a problem with a couple who have three dogs, the barker, the yelper and the howler, who make noise constantly during the day and a woman running an unlicensed sanctuary whose dogs howl and bark until she comes home at about two in the morning. Her son is a PC and no-one wants to complain because of possible repercussions. Anyone that complains is accused of being a dog hater. People should get a dog to give it a life not get one to give themselves an image. All please to the local authorities and the RSPCA have drawn a blank, can anyone give me some advice as we are quietly going crackers. Many thabnks,
18th Oct 07 01:10

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Stevieboy

I would like to challenge the writer of this gripe on the following:

"Urban dog owners are also unaware that the amount of dried dog faeces (i.e. s*** dust) suspended in the air of our towns and villages is one of the main causes of respitory problems, skin disorders and allergies amongst the inhabitants, especially children and the aged."

Please provide a reputable link that states that this is one of the primary causes for the ailments you describe, and that it is worse than exhaust fumes, coal smoke, cigarette smoke etc....

I have always had dogs, and they have always been very clean. My friends and family, some dog owners, some not, are always welcome in my house, as my dogs have always been welcome in theirs. I would imagine that you do not have many friends, if you feel the need to criticise their choices as to who and what they keep as companions. You most certainly would not be offered a lift in my car. I would not let you anywhere near my dog, and you would not enter my house!

And in case you didnt realise, cows, sheep, goats, donkeys, horses, in fact all animals toilet in the open air. Have you ever lived in the country, as I am sure the smell would be too much for you and you would move back to the urban jungle (good!).
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what about cat mess? Us dog owners must pick up after our dogs, it's seems to be ok for cats to s**t, dig and spray everywhere luckily my dog chases the little f**kers off!
18th Oct 07 01:10

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Lofan said :

"Far to many- most Dog owners are rude, noisy, selfish, jerks- they kill scores and maim hundreds of thousands of kids every year with there dogs every year- dogs put more kids in the hospital than weapons in the US. This is a fact. The reason it is allowed to continue is that dogs are "sacred cows' to many rabid dog lovers"

I would be very interested to hear from where you get your statistics from Lofan. Even in the USA where there are many more dog attacks than in the UK, there are only, thankfully, a handful of people killed by dogs, so I am not sure where your "hundreds of thousands of kids" come from.

I think you mean "avid dog lovers" not "rabid dog lovers".

Dogs bring comfort and joy to many millions of people, including children. There are a few bad apples in every barrel - don't judge a whole species by a few bad'uns.
22nd Aug 07 06:08

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Far to many- most Dog owners are rude, noisy, selfish, jerks- they kill scores and maim hundreds of thousands of kids every year with there dogs every year- dogs put more kids in the hospital than weapons in the US. This is a fact. The reason it is allowed to continue is that dogs are "sacred cows' to many rabid dog lovers.

Dog lovers need to pay for animal control for their dog. non dog worshipping people should not have to pay for the insane dog lovers dog fetish. Animal control costs tax payers mega bucks.

Don't have a dog unless you can control it stop it from bothering quiet decent people with toxic dog noise pollution. And don't let your dog attack or kill anyone esp kids.!

And pay for the dogs you 'dog lovers' abandon by yourself- don't tax me to do that.
20th Aug 07 05:08

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Gemma: excuse me, but you are preaching to the converted! The rspca do a fantastic job in the prevention of cruelty to all animals except for those they classify as farm animals - included in that category are horses and donkeys. What I am about to tell you was told to me by an RSPCA officer in my area.

Following the donkey story, about 10 or so years later I kept a horse at a yard where there lived a retired horse and pet cow. These poor creatures were completely abandoned by their owner in that she said they had grass and they had fresh water, and that was all they needed. The fact that they were grossly overweight, ridden with worms, the horse's mane and tail were solid with burrs and both animal's hooves were severely overgrown were neither here nor there apparently. The RSPCA upheld this - they said that because horses are classified as farm animals, provided they had access to food and water, that was it, there was nothing they could do. So I am sorry to be uppity with you Gemma, but you are talking nonsense. Now, this was a few years ago, so if the RSPCA have changed their policy, that is all well and good, I hope that is the case, but I have very little respect for an organisation with an attitude like this.
12th Aug 07 11:08

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Nikki, Are you sure you should be judging an entire Organisation by a once off bad experience you had 20 years ago???? If you were that bothered about the donkey, then why didn't you complain about the attitude of your local RSPCA office to the RSPCA Head Office, rather than
condemn the Association completely!

The RSPCA, which is a Charity that receives NO Government funding does fantastic work. Each year, thousands and thousands of animals are helped/saved by these people who do not receive mega wages whilst sitting on their backsides!!.

If you want to moan about something then moan to the Government about changing the laws and bringing in tough jail sentences against thugs who abuse animals. Without the caring RSPCA, abuse and crime would go completely unpunished

I subscribe to the RSPCA each month - try doing something worthwhile yourself if you really care for animals.
8th Aug 07 08:08

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Mr Hilter: Oh right, I understand completely - the RSPCA - the most useless waste of space organisation in the whole wide world. According to them, as long as an animal has food and water, then that's OK. Say no more, I'm sorry I had a go at you. My first experience of them was when I moved to this village nearly 20 years ago. A donkey in a nearby field had overgrown hooves to the extent that they were about 2 feet long. Poor little thing was hobbling around on his heels. It must have taken me tens of pounds worth of phone calls over a very long period of time before eventually they actually got the owner to have the hooves trimmed. Not a big deal, didn't cost a lot of money, but no, they didn't want to get off their large, overpaid derrieres to actually relieve an animal's suffering. What part of the "Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals" don't they understand for goodness sake?
17th Jun 07 10:06

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Mr Hilter

I'm afraid we tried Nikki, but nobody was interested. Dog warden, RSPCA, as far as they were concerned if the dogs were being fed and had water it was ok.
16th Jun 07 07:06

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Mr Hilter: think how those poor dogs must have felt - if the aroma of their faeces was bad for you, just think how obnoxious it was for the dogs! Their sense of smell is up to 2,000 times stronger than a humans apparently, so the mind boggles. Dogs will not foul their living quarters unless forced to, unlike cats (think cat litter trays - to my knowledge it would not be possible to train a dog to use a litter tray, thank goodness - I think one of the most disgusting things about cats are cat litter trays - I trod in one once in the dark - not good), so it is very unfair to leave dogs living like this in close proximity to their own faeces, notwithstanding the fact that it is extremely cruel to leave dogs alone for such long periods of time, plus the lack of exercise which is so vital to them to keep them well-balanced, healthy and well behaved. A dog unexercised is usually a badly behaved, anti social one. Dogs need far, far more than just food and water.

I have to say it might have been kinder to the poor animals to do something about this appalling situation, rather than just bleat and moan about it.
15th Jun 07 09:06

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What grinds me are irresponsible dog owners, ones who have the dogs but really find them a burden. We used to have some people like that nextdoor. They would go to work around 7:30 and leave the back door open, where you would have continuous barking all day until they returned after 19:00. Dogs left for over 12 hours!! Also they would have the back garden covered in s*it which was only cleared up when it needed mowing. In the summer the aroma of dog s*ite drifting over my garden was most pleasant. They've been away on holiday on a number of occasions, for up to 2 weeks and left the dogs, with someone coming once a day to feed them, no taking them out for walks. The fat ba*tards have gone now, God help whoever they have moved next too.

The other thing that gets me is if you are out walking say in woods, or by the canal or river etc and having to continually watch where you are walking in case you tread in a pile of dog s*it. I know most responsible dog owners clear up after them (in fact one had cleared it up then left the bag of s*it in the car park, rather than taking it home) but for you others out there CLEAR THE S*IT UP!! It was your choice to have the dog, so clear up after it.

Rant over.
15th Jun 07 04:06

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Nikki

Well said, cat attacks child, the worms that cats carry are apparently far more dangerous to children than dog worms, although they are bad too. It's always dogs that get the backlash re their waste, their antisocial behaviour etc. etc., but IMO cat crap is far worse for the simple reason that you can't see the damned stuff. You sink your fingers round the base of a weed in your veggie patch to pull it out, and lo and behold, the lovely waft of cat poo rises up your nostrils and you know that you have now got next door's moggie crap under your finger nails - charming. And all cat owners say is "cats are free spirits, you can't train them", which is true to a certain extent (although my mother used to find dunking Pinkle Purr in a bucket of water every time he brought home a thrush or blackbird seemed to help focus his attention on other prey), but then why should we dog owners have to keep our dogs under control? You can say that they are free spirits too - I actually firmly believe that dogs SHOULD be kept under control, and not allowed to roam, etc. etc., a well trained and well disciplined dog is a happy dog, but it is frequently cat lovers who criticise dogs and their owners, whilst happily accepting that their tame tiger to destroy tens if not hundreds of song birds every year.
27th May 07 01:05

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cat attacks child

As a dog owner I agree totally with this gripe, however, I dont let my dog roam the streets, I dont let it crap all over the garden or anywhere I take him for walks. My dog is bathed on a weekly basis sometimes twice and he has also been trained from an early age not to jump up at or lick visitors to my home.....now can this be said for ANY cat owners? Do you know where your cats are crapping or what they are killing when you let them out of the house? They say that cats are cleaner than dogs right? how clean is the dead mouse or bird that they frequently bring into the house?(sorry you cat owners call them "presents" dont you...pathetic!)
26th May 07 08:05

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I think you must be nuts, an obsessive compulsive weirdo. Dogs are forgiving, happy to see you, and are always happy. Proven studies show that they lower your blood pressure and help you live longer. Do you know that people have microscopic bugs crawling on their skin at all times. What about all the bird and goose poop in the parks. Do me a favor and get a life. Oh yeah, dont forget to check the bottoms of your shoes frequently....WEIRDO.....
30th Apr 07 04:04

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Nikki

Couldn't agree more H.

Dappodan sounds as if he should follow his own recommendations regarding dogs!
1st Apr 07 04:04

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Well said Nikki. What kind of plonker would suggest that any animal should be deliberately made extinct. All creatures deserve the right to life. Although if norrow minded, idiotic bigots such as Dappodan suddenly popped out of exsistence perhaps I could make an exception to this rule.

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29th Mar 07 09:03

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Nikki

What a load of rubbish! Dogs are no more unclean than we are, or any other mammal for that matter.

Actually Dappodan, you are being very one-sided on this one. What you could have also said is that no human who doesn't serve any useful purpose should not be allowed to breed - and may I be a tad controversial here and include YOU in that statement.
18th Mar 07 09:03

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dappodan1

Couldnt agree more with everything the anti dog owners have said. Dogs that serve no purpose other than pets should be gradually phased out and not allowed to breed until there are no domesticated dogs left. In certain countries their culture is that dogs are unclean, if they come in contact with a dog they have to wash whatever has come in contact with the dog.
18th Mar 07 02:03

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Nikki

Hi there Devildung: so would I, but I still advocate that no dog should ever be left alone with a child - for the sake of the dog as much as anything else. Were something to happen that was nothing to do with the dog - such as something fall on the child and hurt it - then the dog could or would be blamed. I have had dogs all my life, all of whom have been totally trustworthy around children but I would still never, never ever have left any of them alone with a child.
3rd Mar 07 08:03

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HI NIKKI

You do get about a bit don't you, I do find myself agreeing with some of your points,but I would trust my dog to be alone with any child no matter what age, as long as the child doesn't mind having a good old fashioned doggy licking.
1st Mar 07 07:03

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Maggie: hi there - my home definitely does not smell of dog - my dog does not smell, he is a husky cross and as such has a natural "open fibre" sort of coat and does not built up that cheesey smell that most other dogs get. Also, he is fed a natural diet of raw meat, bones and vegetables - a case of "you are what you eat!"

Smelly dogs are not dangerous, just undesirable. Germs - the right sort of germs - are GOOD for us. A germ-free, sterile environment is positively dangerous - except in hospitals, where patients are vulnerable because they are sick - therefore their immune systems are compromised, therefore they cannot cope with the every-day germs that healthy people can - and need to - cope with. That is why I say that germs are not necessarily bad - it is not the "germs" that dogs carry that are bad for our children, it is the parasites that can be found in their excrement because of bad hygiene/poor feeding regieme that is to blame. Dogs, just like horses, need to be regularly wormed, and if they are not, then they are a potential risk to our children in particular.
10th Feb 07 08:02

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Maggie

I actually prefer dogs to kids. However, dogs DO carry germs, and this can cause problems particularly in young children. For Nikki to say Germs are healthy - try telling that to the hospitals which are desperately trying to get rid of life threatening GERMS.

Kids that come home from school with nits in their hair is easily treatable, and has nothing to do with germs from dogs or other animals.

Dog owners homes DO have a "doggy" smell but owners get use to it so don't smell it.
I am not suggesting that the smell is heavy or offensive but you certainly can tell if dogs live there, well before you actually see them!.
6th Feb 07 04:02

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Dogs smell considerably less than people do. Figure they get bathed maybe once every other month and the same with getting their teeth brushed. How bad would you smell if you only bathed once every other month.
4th Feb 07 06:02

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Bridey - you really do talk such an absolute load of drivel. Most dogs in this country at least are well looked after, and are not the disease-carrying time bombs that you describe. What about children with head lice? When my daughter was young she was always coming home crawling with the little blighters, and as fast as I got rid of them, she would be reinfected by some child or other whose mother couldn't be bothered to wash and comb her daughter's hair every morning and night to get rid of them.

Human beings are riddled with parasites, so are birds. All living creatures, including bacteria, have parasitic life living off THEM, so if I were you I would stop being so paranoic and chill out.

No sensible person lets a dog, cat or any animal lick his or her face. Good basic hygiene has to be observed around all animals, without going over the top and being a complete nerd about it. Germs are healthy, we cannot live without them, it is when they are allowed to get out of hand through poor hygiene that there is a problem.
15th Jan 07 08:01

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Dogs are offal eaters. This is why they co evolved with human cities. They eat crap, they make crap, and their bodies are covered with it. The same is true for cats.

I find nothing as sickening as seeing people letting dogs lick their faces. All the neuroses about sickness--and then people will let a dog that's been cleaning its anus with its mouth go on and lick their children's faces, or their plates, or their hands. Disgusting.

Humans are stupid pack animals by nature. So of course humans choose stupid pack animals for pets. The "intelligence" of dogs is less than that of most birds, certainly less than that of crows and pigs, pigeons and parrots. But of course most people aren't very bright, and like an animal that poops itself fawning over them.

There is no such thing as a "well socialized dog." They all are saturated with parasites or parasite eggs, with dander, with microbes. There has been very little research done on this, because dogs are the sacred cows of Western society. As I've said in other postings, I'm willing to bet that dogs and cats distribute more prions than cows ever did, and account for the epidemic--and increase--in dementias in humans. We know very little about the public health dimension of socializing closely with these animals. We will never know, because dog owners don't want us to. They are basically anti-human, but instead of going wild themselves, they want something they can dominate, that will kowtow to them. Or they want something they can use to dominate others with.

It's all a sickness.

Bridey
15th Jan 07 10:01

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Nikki

Good on you Jonsey - especially if it's the dog owner's nose you rub in the pooh - I assume that's what you meant! The poor dog doesn't know any better, but some people are just plain disgusting and antisocial.
30th Dec 06 07:12

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Jonsey

I love all animals especially dogs. However irresponsible dog owners are the pits of society. I had something delivered just before christmas and had new carpet laid a few days before. The delivery men walked dog poo all over my new carpet as some inconsiderate person had let their dog do their business on my driveway. I am not a nasty or violent person but if I catch anyone letting their dog do this I will be sorely tempted to go out and rub their noses in it.
29th Dec 06 01:12

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Nikki

madjock: at least the poo is in their garden, and not littered around the neighbourhood - chances are if they don't keep their own space clean, then they certainly will have no respect for public places. It's pretty filthy though especially with kids around, and if they never take their dogs out for a walk, then I would think a quiet word in the RSPCA's ear might do the trick. They will discretely point out to them the health risks they are taking, not only for themselves but the dogs as well. They probably don't worm the dogs which makes the situation even worse for both humans and dogs. You will find the RSPCA telephone number in the book.
27th Dec 06 09:12

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I have some neighbours who let their poo liberally in the garden and never pick it up. I want to know if there is a web-site where I could upload some pictures of their foul 'garden of Poo' to show everyone what a mess it is and is there anyone I can contact to get them to, at least, look after their dog and take it for a walk?
And they have two kids as well!
26th Dec 06 12:12

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Who wrote the original gripe about dogs?? Tell me people - would you rather be stuck in a lift with a labrador or the person who wrote that rubbish?? I know which I'd choose..... I have a similar hate to people who can't spell and who make grammatical errors but insist on typing loads of dross onto the web - simple things like "to" instead of "too". That "article" is littered with basic errors like that - DOH!!! Oh and "they allow their dogs lick you" - surely that should read "...to lick you" or have I been transported to some no-brain planet where we just leave out the words that make a sentence comprehendable?? Give me a dog any day......
14th Dec 06 04:12

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I feel the same about parents who let their bundles of joy scream, play up, run around do what ever they want with no care of others that want to enjoy a day out.

Not only do we have to put up with the noise but the constant "they are only children" from the parents.

If people want kids, keep them under control or keep them at home. If you can't do that DON'T HAVE THEM.
6th Nov 06 10:11

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Man, I take it you are talking about the original author of this gripe? I agree entirely.
4th Nov 06 02:11

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Man

Get help. Soon. Find a team of talented psychologists, and maybe - maybe - with years of round the clock care, you'll someday become a human being, or at least be able to fool casual onlookers. Shockingly self-absorbed and neurotic.
4th Nov 06 04:11

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Nikki

Did anyone see Dog Borstal on TV last night? There was one dog on there that immediately made me think of Blunt's little boy who was terrified by a dog circling him growling. The dog on TV was a large black labrador called Mitchell, owned by a soppy couple who had no control over the dog and were dominated by Mitchell, in particular the man. They then made the most alarming declaration that they would have no hesitation in leaving their 4 year old alone with Mitchell! I would never, ever leave any child alone with any dog, even my own dog who is completely trustworthy with children. It is just a no no, you never ever should do this.

It is people like these who are totally irresponsible dog owners and should not be allowed to keep dogs in my opinion.
31st Oct 06 04:10

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Did anyone see Dog Borstal on TV last night? There was one dog on there that immediately made me think of Blunt's little boy who was terrified by a dog circling him growling. The dog on TV was a large black labrador called Mitchell, owned by a soppy couple who had no control over the dog and were dominated by Mitchell, in particular the man. They then made the most alarming declaration that they would have no hesitation in leaving their 4 year old alone with Mitchell! I would never, ever leave any child alone with any dog, even my own dog who is completely trustworthy with children. It is just a no no, you never ever should do this.

It is people like these who are totally irresponsible dog owners and should not be allowed to keep dogs in my opinion.
31st Oct 06 02:10

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Animal Lover

OOps, I mean 'vain'. I hope Attila hasn't seen that!. How goes the brothel Attila? I hope Sam is not taking that seriously :-)
31st Oct 06 08:10

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Well lets hope neither of us ever has to put our theory to the test :-).
Speaking of different temperament in the same species, about 20 years ago I owned an alsation. I used to walk him on the local beach (you could do that without facing a fine in those days!). One day we were walking along the tide line and approaching us was a woman with a red setter. As we neared her, another woman came on the beach from the prom and took the lead off her alsation. The dog immediately raced down to the setter and set on it in a vicious attack. The setter owner was transfixed in horror and the alsation owner shouted in vane. I had a leather lead in my hand and raced forward and struck the alsation with it. I then found myself between alsation and setter with owner, and expected the dog to renew its attack once the shock had worn off, but it just stood there meekly while the owner caught up and put its lead on. At this point I realised that my alsation was standing in front of me, sideways, silent and unmoving but his message to the rogue alsation unmistakable. I always felt safe when I had that dog.
30th Oct 06 01:10

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Nikki

I hear what you're saying Animal Lover, but don't you think thatyou could defend a small,vulnerable child, better on the ground? Whilst shielding it, you could face up to the attacking dog? When clutching a child in your arms, you are very much at a disadvantage in terms of mobility, balance etc. It is possible that the child could end up as a shield for YOU. I would prefer to have my arms and hands free I think to face up to the attacker.]

I have only had one unpredictable dog in my life, and he was sent smartly back to the kennels from whence he came. Funnily enough, he was a labrador. When you get a nasty one, they seem to be really very nasty indeed. My best friend was very badly bitten by a labrador, and yet 99% of them are absolutely bomb proof.
29th Oct 06 09:10

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Yes, with a non-aggressive dog I would not lift a child- there would be no need. But, faced with an aggressive dog (and I have been) I would lift the child
a/ To get as much as possible of the child out of the dog's reach.
b/ so that I could use my foot to fend off the dog and
c/ to then present the dog with a large figure of authority who might be able to quell it with a strong command.
Of course bouncy friendly dogs are a different matter altogethe.
We had a springer spaniel from the dog's home which gave us endless trouble (being out of control) and once did in fact circle round me with a menacing look in its eyes which made my heart stop. That was the only dog I ever gave up on. I returned her to the dog's home.
29th Oct 06 04:10

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blunt - what a nasty experience, I can quite understand your son - and you - being terrified, especially with the lab being at your son's face height. (BTW, the best thing to do in a situation like this is NOT to look the dog in the eye, but to avoid eye contact because to a dog that is threatening - indeed, this may be why the dog circled round your son growling in the first place, because your son was at the dog's eye level - no excuse I know, but it may explain why the incident happened). I do accept and take on board what you are saying though. Incidentally, you did quite the right thing not to scoop up your son in your arms. If people scoop up their children or small dogs when a larger dog comes towards them, this can often encourage the larger dog to go bounding up in alarm that the child or the small dog are being harmed in some way. Our husky, because he looks like a wolf, causes a lot of people alarm, and when they see him approaching they sweep up their little dog in their arms thinking it is going to be eaten, and it just causes my dog to rush up and jump up at them to check that the little dog is OK. This has happened quite a few times in the past before I have been able to grab him and put him on the lead.

Hi Animal Lover - fireworks are a nightmare aren't they. Our dog was never scared of them at all - we even took him to the local firework display - but unfortunately since my accident I have become very, very nervous and jumpy and leap like a fish when there is a loud bang during fireworks or a thunderstorm, and the dog has picked up on this and is now terrified of both! We go into the conservatory when there are fireworks or thunder and shout and jump up and down and waive our fists at the noise - he usually joins in the fun and makes him realise that there is nothing to be frightened of - until the next time!
29th Oct 06 11:10

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Last night, for the second night in a row the family opposite decided we would all enjoy a second full evening of loud fireworks. Rather than watch my dog spend a second night shaking and panting and almost frothing at the mouth! I went out in the pouring rain and asked them politely if they would mind keeping their fireworks till next weekend. What I am saying here is that it is a door that swings both ways. My dog was raised in the dog's home from 10 weeks to 8 months and is petrified of children. She avoids most people, and other dogs, like the plague. But if parents succeed in getting dogs banned from all public places- or places where the public have access, then all dog owners will suffer..including some old people whose only companion is their dog.I will tell you one thing blunt(ly) too...if there was a dog encircling my child menacingly, it wouldn't do it more than once before it would have to encircle him in my arms!
29th Oct 06 07:10

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nikki
thank you for your comments

my children are scared of dogs because 4 years ago when one of my sons was 3 yrs old,we had a frightening experience with a dog[labrador actually!]while walking on the village common in the village my parents live in,this dog ran over to us and proceeded to circle my 3 yr old son growling quietly,whatever the dogs intentions,it was especially frightening for my son as he was eye to eye with the dog,the owner was slowly walking over saying he was ok,he was a friendly dog,my dad remarked that he didnt seem too friendly from our position the man didnt rush to restrain the dog,but eventually did.

this was really scary for all of us,I felt pretty helpless against this animal,I couldnt have stopped it if it had attacked my son,like I said,whatever the dogs intentions we were terrified and the owner didnt seem to care that much?

please dog owners try to acknowledge that some people are really scared and dont want to be jumped on by your pet.

*we have spent some time with a friends dogs and are trying to see dogs as nice animals.
29th Oct 06 01:10

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blunt - I understand entirely. What a shame though that your children are frightened of dogs, that's terribly sad. If you don't mind me saying, could they have learned this from you - if you react in a negative way when a dog has come bounding up to say hello? The worst thing you can do with children who are frightened of dogs, or anything for that matter, is to haul them away, or try and shield them, thus embedding in their psyche from a very young age that dogs are dangerous. Even very young babies will pick up on their parents' body language, or indeed verbal language, and if a fear of dogs or horses or whatever is embedded in their brains at a very young age, it is terribly difficult to reprogramme them not to be afraid. Animals pick up on fear - horses are particularly good at this - and because horses and dogs look up to us as being their leader, naturally they start misbehaving, even being violent, because they think if the human is scared, then there must be danger around.

Also sod's law, if you don't like dogs, there'll be one waiting to greet you around every corner! If I were you, I really would try and get your kids over their fear - they don't have to fall in love with dogs, but just accept them as part of our world and learn to live with them and not be scared of them. Particularly if you live in the country, and your children like playing in the fields, they are going to encounter a lot of dogs, some not very nice to know, and the worst thing that you can do is to run away from a boisterous dog as they think this is a chasing game and join in with gusto!
28th Oct 06 01:10

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blunt

ok nikki,maybe I was a bit harsh on the bleating bit!

but really if only they were restrained in public it wouldnt be so bad,I know you know your dog is ok,but I dont and neither do my kids who are pretty terrified of most of them.
28th Oct 06 12:10

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Nikki

We can't help it blunt! We adore our animals, and just like proud parents, we like to boast about them! Dogs are pack animals, like us, and therefore very gregarious creatures and a well socialised dog loves to greet humans and other dogs alike, which is unfortunate for people who don't like dogs, I appreciate that. I don't like cats too much, but they always seem to make a bee line for me!
21st Oct 06 03:10

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blunt

why cant dog owners just get that some people dont want to be slobbered on,step in crap,be ambushed by one in the park etc.

have a dog as a pet if you must,but please stop bleating about it!

you might like them,but they are a nuisance to lots of people,I dont care if hes 'only playing/being friendly' I dont want it slobbering over me and mine.
20th Oct 06 07:10

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Nikki

Ann: what are we if we are not animals? Plants? I do agree with what you are saying about dogs - big powerful dogs, like GSD's and collies, especially, MUST know their place. Let them think they are King of the Heap, and you've got trouble with a capital T. That does not mean though that we somehow have more "rights" than them. My dog is intelligent enough to know that if I feed him first, for example, before I faff about cooking our human food (he is on raw food - meat, bones and vegetables, so dead easy and very quick), this does NOT mean that he takes precedence over the humans in the household.

A very balanced, well adjusted, well trained dog, knows his place in the household, without having to be treated as "just an animal".
26th Sep 06 05:09

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Suzy's Owner

'Dogs are vermin and there should be a bounty on them. I place them below rats'...rant rant rant,'I hope they choke on chicken bones. If they all died today I would be a happy man' Lets go back to the start of this shall we? Does this American sound like an animal lover to you, Ann???!!!
26th Sep 06 01:09

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Ann, So you think it is me who should go, to spec savers. I refer you to your statement of 24/9/2006.Would you think that was a person who liked americans or do you just think that they are sadistic twisted load of animal killers. Oh but you still like them.
26th Sep 06 01:09

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Suzy's Owner

"THEY ARE ANIMALS"
Ann "SO ARE WE" !!Where has anyone got the impression I don't like Americans??. I have stayed with them and met a lot of them. What I was not keen on over there was being surrounded, in a restaurant , by the eyes of dead animals whose heads were all around me. I just wish 'hunting' didn't seem to be the favourite sport of many over there -not my best friend I should add. Animals have no voice. They need people to defend them and fight for their rights (no , I'm not an "animal rights activist"- lets nip that in the bud). I did not "forget to mention" the cruel things people do- I just have not heard about the things you mention, Ann. My husband will throw away any paper or turn off any television programme that reports such things as he knows it will only start me off on futile ranting about something that I can do nothing to change. I can't stop some lunatic putting a kitten in a microwave. If I could...I WOULD.
26th Sep 06 06:09

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Ann

Pete I am not sure why you have included my name with "Suzys Owner". Perhaps you should re-read my comments. You ask "Why have you got it in for the americans?" I haven't got it in for Americans, in fact I like Americans - sorry you've got that wrong. Secondly you say "You both must lead a very dull life if you think more of animals than Humans". Eh, sorry but once again, not me! You either need to go back to Spec Savers or give me a taste of whatever you are on.

Let me put you straight. I like most animals, dogs being my favourite. Over many years I have owned German Shepherds and Border Collies. In fact I spent many years working these breeds in Open Obedience Shows, I then went on to judging these events. However, my dogs were never treated like spoilt lap dogs. They knew their place and were treated properly. In return they gave us and our two young kids love and loyalty from the age of 8 weeks until they died. However, although dogs are an important part of any family, THEY ARE ANIMALS.
25th Sep 06 11:09

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Nikki

Yes, I've just heard on the news that it was a baby, not a 5 year old. Don't know where I got that from.

What a shame about the Rotty - I knew one called Rommel to start with, who was an absolute softie, wouldn't say boo to a goose, then the two others I knew were both females and completely soft. But the size of the teeth - and the muscles - on all three were enough to put the fear of God into anyone who might wish to take liberties with them, not something that I would contemplate doing!
25th Sep 06 10:09

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Suzy's Owner

Nikki, the baby was 5 months old. I thought that was what it said on the front of today's paper and I see that is what they are saying here on the net. I have only known one rottweiler owner and he told me not to pat his dog as it might bite- so that was enough for me!.
25th Sep 06 09:09

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Suzy's owner: I quite agree. Despite the fact that I KNOW I can trust my dog with a baby or a young child alone in a room, I would NEVER NEVER NEVER leave him in such a situation. You just don't do it - for the sake of the dog, apart from anything else. It is IMO totally and utterly stupid to risk leaving a baby or young child alone with ANY animal - whether it be a cat, a dog, a horse, whatever.

This terrible tragedy was a result of stupidity. And no, Pete, I do not blame the dogs, although the correct decision was taken to have them humanely destroyed. They were obviously trained to be "killers" and that's what they turned out to be. My heart goes out to the baby's parents (I thought the "baby" concerned was actually a 5 year old child?), as stupid as they were to leave their child at risk like that, and the unspeakable suffering that that poor child must have suffered does not bear thinking about. Having been attacked by a dog myself at the age of 3 I know how painful dog bites are.

Rottweillers are lovely dogs, I know several that are kept as pets and are absolutely gorgeous. But like other "shepherd" type dogs, eg collies, german shepherds, etc., they can be trained fairly easily to be what I describe as "forward going". By that I mean due to their breeding, they have a tendency to be snappy - think of a sheepdog rounding up sheep. They snap at the heels of the sheep to make it do what they want. It is far easier to train a rottweiler, a doberman or a german shepherd to be an aggressive guard dog than it is, say, a husky, a labrador, or a spaniel.
25th Sep 06 07:09

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Suzy's Owner

No-one is siding with the rottweilers, Pete. Personally I think the ones to blame here (having seen the story this morning) are the owners for keeping 2 such dogs to guard their pub and the baby's parents for being so stupid as to leave a baby with 2 large dogs which were kept as guards! Would YOU leave a baby with 2 such dogs???!!! I prefer to keep a healthy distance from even ONE rottweiler!
25th Sep 06 01:09

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Pete

Ann & Suzys Owner.
Why have you got it in for the americans?
You both must lead a very dull life if you think more of animals the Humans.I myself do not believe in the slaughter of animals just for there fur.But dont side with the two dogs that killed that 5 month old baby.
Put yourself in the parants shoes.What would you do if your child was killed by your pet dog.Say its not your fault doggy it was mine for not training the dog, crap.
25th Sep 06 11:09

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Suzy's Owner

Ann, there will, unfortunately , always be disgusting people of any nation. Nowhere did I say "unlike the USA etc" I pointed out that my American friend loves her dog as much as I love mine...and Suzy loves me, and I would trust her with my life, as I agree with Nikki that it is the way dogs are treated that makes them the way they are. But I would not leave my dog in the same room as my small grandson. He is not old enough to understand how to treat a dog and the dog is not used to small children. Bob- yes, I would rather kiss my dog than many humans and yes, she does occasionally lick my face- and I have no allergies! Pete everyone would blame the owner of those 2 dogs. I think you can say we are all horrified about that. Ann, I am very proud that this nation has stopped buying fur and has , at last!, banned fox-hunting.
25th Sep 06 06:09

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Ann

Tom, you are obviously an American. This is a British gripe site. We are a nation of animal lovers" - Suzy's Owner.

Yes Tom, we throw dogs out of 6th floor windows. Put kittens in microwave ovens. Fire crossbow arrows into ducks. Set fire to pregnant cats. Hammer dogs to death. Break cats legs and throw them from bridges. All in the name of FUN! But as Suzy Owner's says, "unlike the USA, the UK is an animal loving Country".(She just forgot to mention these horrors as they only happen in the USA!)
24th Sep 06 11:09

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Pete

Nikki.What are your comments on the two dogs that have just killed that baby.Do you blame the dogs or the owner.
24th Sep 06 08:09

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Nikki

No, you've misunderstood me. The point I am making is that there are very few bad dogs, only bad owners, in other words, the dog that turned on that child is either a psycho (very, very unlikely) or has been allowed (through bad or lack of training or abuse) to get ideas above its station (very, very likely) or through no fault of its own been traumatised by bad training or cruel treatment (less likely), resulting in its flipping its lid and attacking this poor child.

Either way, the dog should have been destroyed. Once a dog has attacked a child, for whatever reason, and unless the circumstances are explainable in some way, such as the child was attacking the dog, then IMO it should be destroyed because it can never be truly trusted again. So the dog is the victim as well as the child.

Comprenez-vous?
24th Sep 06 02:09

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Pete

Nikki. I am dismayed by your statement.
You seem to be saying that it is the fault of the person savaged by her dog who is wrong not the dog.What planet are you on.
24th Sep 06 11:09

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Nikki

Tom: It's all "me - me - me" with you, isn't it. What makes you think that YOU are the important living being here. What makes YOU think that YOU are more important somehow than the dog that tries to sniff your butt.
24th Sep 06 12:09

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Nikki

"Dogs are the most unpredictable creatures".

No,Pete, they are not. The average dog has the intelligence of a 5 year old human child, which makes them very intelligent indeed, way above, say, a cat or a horse. Dogs are not unpredictable by nature, it is human mistreatment of dogs that CAN make them unpredictable. It is not in a wolf's nature to be unpredictable, there is no biological advantage to a predator to be unpredictable. The wolf is by nature unconfrontational to the point of cowardice. Dogs are tamed wolves effectively, and as such are not naturally viscious or unpredictable. It is mistreatment by man that has made those that are, so.
23rd Sep 06 10:09

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Pete

Joe,Dogs are the most unpredictable creatures.
Friendly one moment savage the next.
My friends little girl was savaged by there pet dog. She was so badly mauled that she had to have a metal plate inserted into her face to replace her jaw.Treatment is still ongoing. Nice Dog!!!!!!!!!
23rd Sep 06 09:09

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Joe

Dogs are the most loving and faithful animals on this earth. They love you regardlessly. But regardless of how much you love and rely on them, and they love and rely on you - THEY ARE ANIMALS!!They should never be allowed to lick your dinner plates, drink from your cup or glass, kiss your/your kids lips nor sleep on your bed. THEY ARE ANIMALS who should be trained and respected and loved but not treated as humans!!
23rd Sep 06 01:09

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Bob

Suzy Owner.
Bet you let your dog lick your face after its S--t
22nd Sep 06 08:09

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Suzy's Owner

Tom, you are obviously an American. This is a British gripe site. We are a nation of animal lovers and love our pets. Fortunately I know you are not typical of Americans as my best friend lives in South Dakota and treats her poodle as a member of the family. I would consider being told I look like my dog a complement. She is better looking than I am! As for the things you say dogs do in public...I know of many humans that do the same- mostly young ones and most of them very drunk. But humans should know better.
22nd Sep 06 06:09

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Tom

Dogs are vermin and there should be a bounty on them. I place them below rats because rats don't Bark at me, bite me, hump my leg, slobber on me, stick their nose in my butt, lick me after licking bird do do off of the sidewalk, leave dropping for me to step in, piss on my herb garden, piss on my grass and shrubs and kill them, Do disgusting things like lick their crotch in public. The do however both get into my garbage, but the dogs spread it around my yard. I hope they choke on chicken bones.

I have been attacked so many times outdoors that I now carry pepper spray for protection from them. I am very allergic to them and can't go into anyone's house that has them. Just another thing to hate about them. If they all died today I would be a happy man.

Most dog owners are idiots when it comes to their dogs. They say they are members of their family. I see the resemblance.
21st Sep 06 09:09

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DirtyDuck

I always pick up my 2 small dogs mess in deodorised plastic bags which I then tie up. If there is a dog bin I put it in there. If not, 95% of the time I take it & put it in my own bin at home. On odd occasions I put it in a normal litter bin which I believe is perfectly legal. That goes to landfill, same as my home bin does. I was sworn at recently by a man who called me a "dirty b*****d" for doing so. I argued that I was at least binning it and not throwing the bag in a hedge or tree like some people do. They hang there like grotesque Xmas decorations for months!! At least an unwrapped poo biodegrades in a day or so. (Not that I am condoning that). I have also seen soiled baby nappies thrown in that bin and human vomit around it. How can a wrapped dog poo be worse? I just can't win it seems ... I pick up litter near my house, cans, bottles, wrappers, polystyrene food containers,and left-over food most days and bin it. I arranged for the council to put another bin on our road, I clear up after my dogs and I regularly help at a beach-clean.
18th Sep 06 09:09

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Big Nige

methinks you all have too much time on your hands, dogs is dogs, cats is cats, people are people. End of story.
P.S. I love ctas and dogs and I drive a 4x4. Guilty as charged M'lud.
10th Sep 06 12:09

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Don

Im sure mostdog owners pick up the dog muck, put it in a bag and then what? They dont take it home or put it in a poo box,Oh no it is thrown on the path or disgarded elsewhere.
Strange that people pick up dog crap but moan if the kids come in with dirty shoes.
2nd Sep 06 01:09

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Suzy Sheepdog

I am afraid , Smelly Puppy, you will have to go back to school and learn to write before I will be able to understand what on earth you are trying to say!!
26th Aug 06 06:08

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Smelly Puppy

Pets are for old or bored people,or very un-original families,un-hygienic and stinking and Suzy sheep dog says they might rescue you in a mountain if you got lost,durrr.
26th Aug 06 04:08

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Smelly Puppy

You seem elderly Michael caine,in 2006 dog mess in public areas is not tolerated,nor loose dogs without leads,in the UK that is.
26th Aug 06 04:08

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Suzy sheep dog

'acrid doggy stench'? If you were lost in the mountains they would probably use a dog to track you and rescue you. I doubt it would be your after-shave / perfume he would be tracking!... and you would probably be thankful for dogs then!
3rd Jul 06 03:07

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I'm with mike the dog owner on this one, I understand what you're saying but there are some of us who do clean up after our pets in fact I quite often report other dog owners to the dog warden for allowing their dogs to foul our local field- we don't all want to be tarred with the same brush.
9th Jun 06 08:06

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There is some truth In what you say but hanging smelly coats thats a bit far as I dont think all dog owners are smelly, disrespectful, and foul poeple. As I am a dog owner who clears up after my dog and wash my clothes and clean the house I must be out of the norm.. Please do not catagorise all dog owners like this.
8th Jun 06 04:06

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Nikki

No I certainly do not Michael Caine - far too dangerous for me, the horse and passing traffic. But I do pick up after my dog.
24th May 06 10:05

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love animals/hate people

Channel Four hey Claire? What's the matter...have you run out of people wanting to have live sex and use foul language..and you are the ones critizing dogs and their owners!!!
23rd May 06 10:05

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michael caine

All animals crap indiscriminently, believe it or not they dont do it on purpose to upset dog haters. Horses crap all over the roads, cats crap all over everything, so do dogs. Nikki you are a horse owner, do you leap off your horse when it decides to defacate on the road/pavement? I highly doubt it.
22nd May 06 11:05

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Whining whinger hater

I am sick of whinging moaning selfish individuals forever carrying on about dogs while they wade through mountains of rubbish that they and their kids have seen fit to strew about the roads. Dog faeces are a natural item and take days to break down in the environment .How long to you think it will take for the 30 or 40 plastic bottles to break down that I had the displeasure to wade through at the beach today in one small area!. Many pensioners only companions are their dogs, but you wouldn't care about that would you Mr Supreme dog hater as you obviously only care about yourself! Dogs help disabled people, rescue people from earthquakes, find drugs and help catch criminals to name but a few . Of what use are you??!!!
18th May 06 09:05

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Claire

We are looking for people like you to take part in our programme and sort out the dog mess on the streets in their area.
email me on claire.lloydevans@silverriver.tv for more info
19th Apr 06 04:04

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Doc

Nikki, Entirely agree with you.

Once a dog starts to pee or mess on green verges outside people's homes then it encourages other dogs to do the same. Yound children walk and play around these grass verges! It is not my job to go out and clear it away? I don't - I give the owner fair warning to clear it up or else I will make an official complaint! Why should neighbours want dogs mess outside their home when the owner does'nt want it outside theirs? I consider myself a responsible dog owner - I have not replaced my German Shepherd who I had from when she was 8 weeks to nearly 14 years simply because I spend a lot of time out of the Country and I would never put my dog in kennels! I would love another dog but as I am unable to welcome it as part of my family, then I will wait until my circumstances change.
11th Apr 06 05:04

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Nikki

Doc: I couldn't agree with you more. My dog, age 6 weeks, was trained to go on a slab of concrete paving outside our back gate which leads out onto the set-aside. He will not foul his own garden at all, but virtually always backs up into a hedge to do his business. On the rare occasion that he goes out in the open, then the result is just scooped up and disposed of. I too can't understand why all owners can't, at best, do this, or if not, then at least pick up after their pets. It is getting better, I should say that at least 80% of dog owners do pick up now, but that still leaves an awful lot of doggie doo doo to step in, something which I absolutely hate doing despite tha fact I am dog crazy. For those people who don't like dogs, it must be absolutely awful for them.
10th Apr 06 02:04

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Doc

Why do dog owners take their dogs out to mess outside somebody elses home anyway??
Why can't they exercise their dog in their own garden, wait for it to do its business and then take it over the park or green for a walk or run??

Don't tell me that you can't train a dog to do this - My dogs at a young age were trained to foul on a concreted part of my back garden! This soon became a daily ritual! All dogs can be trained at an early age - so there is NO excuse to allow your dog to upset neighbours! If the occasional accident happens on an outing then clear it up and take the crap home! If you don't want s**t close to your doorstep neither does anybody else! Be a responsible owner then everybody will like you and welcome your dog!
9th Apr 06 06:04

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Nikki

draco: most dog owners are NOT like the obnoxious people you describe, thank goodness, else we would be knee deep in doggy doo doo. It's bad in certain places, I agree, but the majority of people do "pick up", keep their dogs wormed and generally well looked after, under control and well socialised so that they are not a threat to those who don't like dogs. My own dog I am pleased to say fits into this category, although he could hardly be described as obedient! He is a very independent character, but a charmer none the less and is loved by one and all, especially children. I am sorry you have such a negative opinion of these delightful creatures - after all there is no such thing as a bad dog, only a bad owner. It is not fair to blame the dog, and in fairness to you in your posting it is the owners you castigate, rather than the animals themselves.
6th Apr 06 09:04

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Claire

I am writing from a television company called Silver River. We are making a documentary for Channel Four about exactly this issue, and we are looking for people to take part who have had enough of the dog mess in their area and who want to do something about it.
Please contact me on claire.lloydevans@silverriver.tv for more information.
4th Apr 06 12:04

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draco

Dog owners are noisy louts they get mad if you complain about their subjecting you to dog noise pollution. How moronic is that? They bother you, keep you up all night, and when you complain about it as you cause them a problem.

Very rude noisy inconsiderate and selfich people.

Another thing they like to do is blame children when they are mauled by dogs or even killed by dogs.

Quite a strange group, laws need to be enacted to bring them to heel and to keep them from bothering quiet people,and putting the public at risk.
3rd Apr 06 06:04

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TuTu

Michael Caine - Totally agree! The Yanks are very clever at starting wars but don't win very many - don't mention Vietnam and Iraq!! As far as dogs are concerned I suspect he is referring to George's poodle -Tony Blair!
21st Mar 06 03:03

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michael caine

LOL tu tu, and what was he saying about 'if it wasnt for us we would be speaking german' Both world wars they were two years late coming to 'save us', and the sickest joke is the so called 'solid relationship' the Americans have with the Jews, well where were the so called 'great friend of the jews' yanks when 6 million jews were being slaughtered by the Nazis?
18th Mar 06 06:03

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Dog Hater Supreme.

Although I agree with a lot of what you say about cats and dogs. You need a few reminders about your history.
The Yanks plundered and wiped out a nation
- The Native Indians. The Yanks ONLY came into the 2nd world war after the bombing of Pearl Harbour - nothing to do with being Europe's salvation - just saving American a***s! I won't mention Iraq!
I actually like American's so don't spoil it! Stick to cats and dogs!!
16th Mar 06 11:03

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michael caine

Cats are vile, vile hairballs who are overbred and underpurposed, Ever see a hairball rounding up sheep? No, but I bet you will have seen it killing birds for no other reason than ' a laugh' You will also have seen it ripping up bins, and squirting nasty spray all over your garden to make it smell like they own it. Dogs serve a purpose, the main one being to keep cats at bay.
15th Mar 06 06:03

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My name is Michael caine

It must be a rather bad life for the poor septic, his dog who he hates cr*ps everywhere, his wife has no respect for him, and had he not opened up himself to the message board, he might have had some sympathy, but in reading his posts, the sympathy has to go out to the poor cute pooch and d haters wife!
12th Mar 06 07:03

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My name is Michael caine

You can teach Labradors to be carers for the blind, Alsatians to sniff out criminals and so on and so forth. What are the chances of teaching 'dog hater' any of these tasks, and exactly what purpose does he serve ?
12th Mar 06 07:03

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My name is Michael caine

I just re read your post, half of it is so full of some sort of weird yankee style ebonics, that it doesnt even resemble the language we gave you, which is English, anywway, take that poor dog to the vets.
12th Mar 06 07:03

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My name is Michael caine

I have no 'beef' with America, I simply stated a fact. If your dog is sporadically sh*tting everywhere, then he has either learned that from you. or needs a Vet, either way, its not the dogs fault, any more than the fact that its your fault that you are a septic.
12th Mar 06 07:03

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Dog hater Supreme

Oh Mike, you are a hoot! I see that your beef is not so much with me but America. So, you think that Brits, and Europeans are cleaner than Americans? People that I know that have been to Europe say that people only bathe every 3 or 4 days and don't use deodorant. Boy, that sounds cleaner than me! I won't even go into the whole bad teeth issue..... And loud and obnoxious? What? Brit's are quiet, meek people? And don't even start on the whole "you have culture and history, and Americans are backwards barbarians." If it weren't for us backwards Americans, you, the sissy French, and the rest of Europe would be speaking German. You shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you. It will take us to bail you and Europe out of the fire when your countries are turned into Islamic dictatorships.

I see that since you can't argue logically, that you must make personal attacks. I just threw it right back at your young, silly skull of mush. Are you sure that you aren't an American Democrat? You are no doubt a liberal. Most pet psycho's are. Are you a member of Peta? Do you believe that killing chickens is equal to the Nazi Holocaust?

Why don't you get off your snaggle-toothed daddy's computer and go back to French-kissing your poodle.
12th Mar 06 01:03

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punkgirl

Dog Hater. If you are right in what you say about your dog then have it put to sleep. I am not saying that to please you, But because I have qualifications in animal care and from what you are saying to me sounds like your dog has some kind of mental probelm and lets be honest you have no interest in the animal. Dogs with severe mental and behavioural probelms can be rehabitalited in the correct environment and I am not sure you actually care about that. If you are not prepared to help it out,then get it put out of its misery. It would be the kindest thing to do...and before everyone else out there goes crazy and tells me I'm cruel I will say in my defense that I am educated in animal care so I know what I'm on about.
11th Mar 06 08:03

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My name is Michael caine

Im glad you like my comments Dog hater, It has to be said, that like most yanks, by nature they are foul, loud, obnoxious and not altogether the most hygeinic, only one percent of septics have a bidet, thats one percent of 300million yanks, so why would the yanks dogs be any cleaner? Im sure that the dog you own, who sh*ts all over your house, has actually learned by example, and you should look to housetrain your self, before blaming the poor doggie woggie
11th Mar 06 05:03

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Dog Hater Supreme

That's a good one Mikie-that the dogs are more of a man than I am. I will have to add that to my list of ridiculous pet owner comments. I haven't heard that one before. I love your comment about carbon monoxide from evil humans being worst than dog poo dust. Why are humans bad-animals good with you guys all the time? Have you seen a dog create antibiotics? Build a hospital? You all hate yourselves for some reason, and think that animals are superior "noble savages". You should become a Hindu, and pray that you will be reincarnated as a dog.

The only reason dogs like you is that you feed them. Try going into the wild and reasoning with the superior, more moral animals. They will eat you.

Speaking of poo dust, my wife is on my back to pull weeds out of the back yard. Since she doesn't clean up the dog poo, there is a chunk of fresh to dried poo behind everything I pull. Just one more indignity, I have to deal with because of the mutts.
11th Mar 06 03:03

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Seems like the dog is more of a man than you are D hater, and your wife needs to have those poor dogs taken off her, they sound in bad condition.
11th Mar 06 10:03

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As far as dogs stinking, this old dog smells like 50 bedpans full of urine that has been standing in the sun for a week. We wash him, and he smells like poo in 4 hours. His breath is horrible. His buddy, our other Shizu, constantly chews on himself, (keeping me awake all night) and always smells like dried dog spit. He too smells 4 hours after being washed. His hobby is to get under our bed, on my side, and let loose toots that will burn the hair out of your nose, and rot off your eyelids. He won't obey either, and keeps me (my wife can sleep through it) up all night barking, snorting, chewing, and generally being a damned nusiance. He likes to go outside to run around the backyard at 2 am and 4 am. and he makes sure to wake us up with constant wining. If I had my way, both rotten, useless hairbags would live in the garage at night.
The wife has to feed the old dog boiled chicken and some rancid dog food for old dogs that should be dead already.
The stuff stinks up the whole house, and can not be purged with any amount of Lysol, Nutraair, or any other household disenfectant. These dogs make my life misrible. Of course, none of this matters to my wife, or other psycho-pet owners. All that matters is the comfort and spoiling of their pets, and their own selfish need to stick the pets up everyone else's ass, if they like pets or not. The American Medical Association should come up with a new psychiatric condition for these selfish, insane pet "custodians". My grandmother would bring her dogs to my parent's house, and insist on them running free in the house, even though she knew my parents did not have animals in the house. Her claim to fame was the statement,"If you don't love my dogs, you don't love me".
My wife lives by this motto too. It is most definately a disease.
10th Mar 06 01:03

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Dog hater

Hey Punk girl. This psycho dog can not be trained. My wife tried with professionals. He is totally insane. I guarantee that you have never seen a dog like this. When it is in the dog crate in the car, it will bang on the door till you let out. It is like the Terminator-it will not stop, it will not rest, it will not sleep till it drives me insane.The last time we had him in the crate in the car, he got mad, turned around, and crapped at us-inside his box. Then the wife let him out, and he crawled all over the passenger compartment for 4 hours, nearly causing me to wreck several times. This dog should have been put to sleep instead of being rescued. Believe it or not, I don't want harm to come to any living thing-but this dog is possessed with a demon. If you don't think so, then you can "rescue" him.
10th Mar 06 01:03

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Nikki

I most certainly do not smell doggy, and neither does my dog. And I entirely agree about cats, as stated by punk girl. People bang on and on about dog faeces, but cat is very dangerous, possibly even worse than dog pooh. And at least you can see dog turds, cats bury their's just under the surface of the soil so you stick your fingers in it when you're weeding! My dog chases cats, like any proper dog will do, and my garden is now, thankfully, cat free - and cat crap free
8th Mar 06 06:03

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punkgirl

Dog Hater
I would suggest that you take your dog to the vet and then to some training classes. An untrained dog will jump about and wreck the place. Your dog sounds ill if it has blood in its waste so that should be sorted out.
Another point I would like to raise is while I do agree that people should clean up after their dogs it seems to be acceptable for cats to roam around the place crapping in everyone elses gardens etc. I have studied animals and you can pick up some nasty stuff from cat waste. Especially for children and pregant women. I'm not having a go at cat owners but I'm sick of people just moaning about dogs all the time. There are many decent dog owners out there and they don't all smell "doggy".
8th Mar 06 06:03

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Dog hater

Ha ha! All the dog nuts on here, confirm all of my beliefs about what I call "psycho pet owners." I married one, and inherited her two mangy curs. One was "rescued" from an abusive home. First mistake-adopt a neurotic dog. Second mistake, own a dog period. The crazy dog craps and pees all over the place when it storms. Or when he is mad. He cannot be put in a box. He will destroy it. You can't put him in a gated area, because he will chew holes in it, or leap over it, only to crap on the carpet. This dog was crapping bloody diareah all over our bedroom carpet last week. The wife would not put it in the kitchen to save our floors. I gave her a choice-the dog with diareah goes in the kitchen, or I sleep upstairs. She chose the dog. The dog has destoryed our carpet, and stinks. I like when you say something about a crazy pet owner's dog's behavior, and they turn it all around on you and how horrible human and you are. Also, you are "ignorant" if you don't love the smell of dog spit, urine, and crap in your carpet.
I think that dog nuts have mental problems and need therapy!
7th Mar 06 06:03

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my name is michael caine

I'm rather sure that dogs, find unhygienic humans smelly and distasteful, and lets face it, dogs don't choose their owners, at least we as humans have a choice. Yes most dogs will have a 'doggish' smell about them, but the obvious reason for that would be, that they are indeed dogs.
1st Mar 06 08:03

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Zarq

I stumbled across this on the Web doing a search for something else. Some good points, but most of what is in the article and the comments afterwards is complete rubbish and the result of ignorance. There definitely are bad dog owners out there, but there is an obviously greater number of ingnorant people out there shouting loudly.
16th Feb 06 02:02

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Zarq

I stumbled across this on the Web doing a search for something else. Some good points, but most of what is in the article and the comments afterwards is complete rubbish and the result of ignorance. There definitely are bad dog owners out there, but there is an obviously greater number of ingnorant people out there shouting loudly.
15th Feb 06 10:02

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My name is Michael Caine

dried dog poo causes respitory problems in urban areas? I suppose carbon monoxide from the cars of dogless urbanites, who because they have no one to walk, drive their fuel guzzeling four wheel drives to the local school which is less than a mile away, whilst their children who get no excercise get bullied for being Obese...incidentally, on a friday night in many urban areas, many dogless men and women, pee and poo in the street after a nightclub, im sure their breath isnt to savoury either after munching on a kebab, then throwing it up in the cul-de-sac near you! woof
6th Feb 06 08:02

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Nikki

Mo: thanks for your nice comments. However, I must argue about your analogy between us and apes and dogs and wolves. We are DESCENDED from apes, with chimpanzees being our closest relatives, & as such we share about 99% of dna with them - that missing 1% accounts for the obvious differences between us, and the fact that a chimpanzee and a human cannot mate and produce young, even hybrid young. However, it was thought until recently that dogs were a sub-species of the wolf - canus lupus familiarias. They are not - their dna is indistinguishable, and the young produced from such a mating is very much fertile - they are not hybrids. Ipso facto, wolves and dogs need exactly the same diet, because they are the same species - just one is domesticated, one isn't. That means that ALL dogs should have an omniverous diet consisting of meat, bones, offal, vegetables, fruit, maybe a FEW grains, the odd egg, whatever a wolf would eat in the wild. This is the natural diet for canis lupus - what is not natural is the "complete" dog food which is so popular nowadays, or cooked meat in cans. Cooked meat is NOT good for canis lupus, raw meat and bones plus the aforementioned above is. This is not me being dictatorial or trying to foist my beliefs on other people, this is science fact, not science fiction. Any vet who says otherwise knows nothing about the dietary requirements of dogs.
27th Jan 06 07:01

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Mo

Hi there Nikki. We all have a right to our own opinion but I am afraid that we must disagree on "bones". To say that dogs are from wolves so it is OK for them to eat bones is rather like saying that man comes from apes and therefore we should swing around in trees eating bananas. If you have discussed giving bones to your dog with a vet and he says OK, then great.
I have seen a dog in actute pain with a bone stuck in it's gut - but it wasn't my dog!! All dogs need their teeth inspected by a vet as they get older. Dog biscuits do help clean their teeth, so does treated pigs ears. Some of my dogs would allow me to clean their teeth with a toothbrush.
In my opinion all dogs need vaccinations whether they are 12 weeks or 12 years. Humans don't have tetanus or other vaccinations up to a certain age and then all of a sudden become immune against all diseases. Anyway, Nikki your dog sounds very loved, healthy and happy, so you can't be doing very much wrong.
27th Jan 06 12:01

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Nikki

Mo: I agree with you except for one thing - bones! My dog is on the BARF diet (bones and raw food) and I cannot agree with you that bones are bad for dogs. Dogs are directly descended from wolves, they are not a separate species, so ipso facto what is good for wolves, is good for dogs. As for saying biscuits clean their teeth, not bones, that's absolute rubbish! Carbohydrate, just like for humans, causes scale on dog's teeth - bones clean the teeth. My beautiful husky cross, aged 8, has pearly white shining teeth but they are brown round the roots of the two canine teeth caused by six years of eating a complete dog food. This will have to be removed by a vet to get rid of it, but the rest of his teeth have come up sparkling white with no scale. He never, ever eats biscuits or any carbohydrate, except for liver. He eats raw chicken wings, raw vegetables mashed up in a smoothie maker, raw tripe, raw beef and raw lamb and you will never see a healthier dog. He had his vaccinations as a pup, and then annually up to 3 years old, but now does not have them.
25th Jan 06 08:01

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Mo

There are not bad dogs - just bad owners!
Nobody should buy or own a dog without reading up about the bred and how to care for it. A responsible dog owner is one who can take their dog anywhere without it being a nuisance. Dogs must have annual vaccinations, proper care, proper food - NEVER give a dog any type of bones (it is not true that because wolves eat bones it is OK for dogs). Bones are very dangerous.
Ask your vet!! Dog biscuits help clean their teeth. It is important to socialise your dog. Take it to a good dog training school. Consistency is most important when house training a puppy. Feed it at regular times with a sensible diet. Cooked chicken is good for puppies. Offal and tripe is OK now and again for adult dogs. Ask your vet's advice on proper food for your puppy. Don't let your dog off lead near a road, no matter how much you trust it. Don't use a check chain that may damage it's neck. Make it a habit to clean up it's mess -if you don't want dog mess near your house neither does your neighbours!
Dogs have germs regardless of how clean you keep them and you shouldn't allow it to kiss your mouth. Don't give it an old shoe to play with and then get annoyed when it chews up your new ones by mistake.
Don't hit a dog - use your voice to reprimand it. Remember the slogan "A dog is for life and not just for Christmas".
I have owned dogs for many years. I spent many years in Dog Obedience and Judging so I think that I have learned enough to pass on these few important tips to you.
25th Jan 06 12:01

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Gabby a. Burdwell

I`m doing a science project and I need info. from dogs and humans, can you help me?
18th Jan 06 05:01

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Gabby a. Burdwell

Is a dogs mouth cleaner than a humans mouth?
18th Jan 06 05:01

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sister sandra

Take it from me you won't catch much from a dog or cat, regardless of where they've been licking.
It's your fellow humans you want to worry about.
Get real.
23rd Dec 05 01:12

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Charliegadget

Hi...

I own 2 Norwich Terriers... both well behaved for terrier! I have spent a long time training them and caring for them. They are "stripped" every 12 weeks (stripping is a kind of grooming that removes dead hair) and they are bathed once a month.. They rarely need to go on leads.. (luckily I live in the country)

They are very friendly and they have been sociallised with all types of other dogs. one of them does 1 annoying thing which I have tried and tries to train her not to do... that is if she sees a someone, she is so nosey that she wants to run up and say "hello" by jumping up. This means muddy paws in the winter!!

I think that alot of people are careing and consiensious (sp?) dog owners, but there will always be bad apples... dont tar all dog owners with the same brush!
19th Dec 05 04:12

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Nikki

Verheyen Hugo:

Unfortunately we are not just discussing dog waste here - the issue goes much deeper. The originator of this thread is complaining about dogs in general, not just what they leave behind! He/she is very obviously a dog hater.
1st Dec 05 09:12

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Nikki

Part 2 of my reply:

Raw meat is the best thing for all dogs to eat. Dog's ancestor, the wolf, does not eat tins of Chappie! He eats raw meat, bones and the stomach contents of herbivores - vegetables. My dog is fed raw chicken wings, raw beef, raw lamb with plenty of raw vegetables and meaty bones, plus occasional raw offal such as tripe or liver.

As for taking my dog to the vet every few months, I don't need to do this because he is so healthy. I have full veterinary insurance which, since he was a puppy, I have never had to call upon. But it's there should I need it.

Most dog owners are NOT lazy and cheap. They go to extraordinary lengths to train their dogs so that they can take them out in public safe in the knowledge that their dog is well-socialised and healthy. This takes a lot of time and effort, and not a little expense.

You may care to try this with your dog.
28th Nov 05 09:11

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Nikki

I am so incensed by the last posting, that I will have to split my answer up into several postings due to the limitation of size of posting:

First of all, by not socialising your dog you are storing up one load of trouble for yourself and your dog. I quote from your posting:

"She stays in my house with me or is on leash at all times. We do not go near other people and I keep her away from kids"

Your poor dog - you MUST allow her to run free, and that means OFF leash. If she is disobedient and won't come when she's called, or runs away, then take the time and trouble to train her.

Why keep her away from kids? Kids love dogs, and dogs love kids, but both have to be trained to respect each other. How can your dog ever learn to behave in a socially acceptable way to both humans and other dogs if you don't expose her to such company?

You talk about the rights of people - what about the rights of your pet? To exercise, to freedom and to stimulation. Being kept cooped up with you in your house is no life for her. Owning a dog IS a privilege, a huge privilege, and you are abusing that privilege.

Why on earth lock the poor creature away when you have visitors that say they don't want her around? How do you think this makes your dog feel? By doing this, you are making her wary and afraid of people, especially strangers. You are storing up a load of trouble for yourself and your dog.

"Keeping your dog clean" will not protect her from getting worms. Dogs get worms from other dogs, from bones that they have buried in the garden, from wild rabbits and other rodents and from fleas. Dogs do not magically become worm-free if you keep them clean! You have to worm them every 12 weeks or so with a good wormer such as Drontal.
End of Part one!
28th Nov 05 09:11

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Sick of lazy , cheap dog owner

Beautifully stated. I especially enjoyed readig the defensive nonsense dog owners wrote in an attempt to justify their abuse-by-pet of other people. Today a 70 year old woman was mauled to DEATH by her neighbor's dogs who ran onto HER property. I'm can't wait for the dog owner's justification for his pet's actions. They lack the IQ to comprehend that people have the right to go outside on property they pay for. In their language: NO PAY NO TOUCH! BAD!! GO LAY down. bad.
Dogs over 10 lbs belong on a farm with a secure fence around it. THe owner of the dogs who killed the lady should be sentenced to death. Before the defensive dog owners go crazy: I own a dog. She stays in my house with me or is on leash at all times. We do not go near other people and I keep her away from kids. Sanitation and the rights of other people are my highest priority. Owning a dog is a privilege and I keep this in mind at all times while I am in public with my pet. When people come to visit I ask them if they want to see the dog. If they decline, I put my dog in a room with her bed and toys and check on her. I agree. Most dog owners are selfish and rude. Most are astoundlingly unaware of the fact that you can get worms from your dog if you don't keep it clean, take it to the vet every few months and groom it daily. Raw meat is a prime parasite carrier. Owning a dog is expensive and time consuming. It is the price associated with dog ownership but most dog owners are lazy and cheap. They want to HAVE without earning. Urban dog owners are the worst.
28th Nov 05 12:11

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RP's Cat

Dispo, I agree with you, and worse, I am . . . a cat. I clean myself, not just once or twice a day, I do it several times through out the day and night. I dislike 'uncleanliness' and my adopted house mate looks after me by washing my supper dish out every day before preparing my breakfast and dinner. He does this before preparing his own meals which is quite considerate, and always washes his hands first. BUT I do wash more often than him. I do wonder if I might catch something when he sneezes near me, but so far I have been alright. . .
18th Nov 05 09:11

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Dispo

O my god I think I have heard it all.First off ,just interacting with the dirty human race eveyday is far worst than anything a dog can do to you.You touch things people give you,you eat things people make,grab things people touched and put your mouth on things that god knows whats touched it.Are we supposed to walk around in bubbles because someone is so scared of possibly catching something.
I am a dog owner and I will say I am quite offended by your gripe.I pick up after my dog goes to the bathroom.I bath and comb her to free any loose hairs.I take care of her dental needs and bring her for regular check ups to ensure she is healthy.My apartment is clean as could be and smells good at all times.I would love to see the way you keep your place and your personal hygeine.I probably be scared to shake you dirty germ infested hand.What flakes come off your skin and where do they go, well matter of fact you shed skin in more places than my dog for my dog is contained while you roam all around the city spreading your filth.So before you attack a animal which can't defend itself or their owners, you need to think of how clean your habits are and how its affect people more than any dog could.
16th Nov 05 12:11

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Catowner

I prefer Cats myself
6th Nov 05 10:11

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Nikki

Dogs are intelligent creatures, who adapt very well to living in the human pack. The human pack and the wolf pack are remarkably similar in its social structure, which is why dogs and humans have such a good symbiosis. It is very easy to train dogs provided you start early enough, and it is such a shame that there are so many badly behaved dogs in our society, or rather I should say badly behaved humans. I stand by the adage "there is no such thing as a bad dog, only a bad owner".

Dogs are a joy and a delight to own and live with. It is so easy to train them, and they both want and like to be trained; but if by some chance they are unruly and untrustworthy, there are very kind muzzles now which a dog can wear, and these long extending leads are absolutely brilliant. If my dog was aggressive with other dogs, or people, then he would be muzzled, and/or kept on the lead the whole time.

It is people that cause the problems with dogs, not the dogs themselves.
30th Oct 05 09:10

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Draco

I meant to say "dogs owned by humans with zero sense of responsibility" Of course you could not expect dogs to be responsible. Sad from what I have seen in the papers recently concerning the maulings of young children by dogs- far to many dog owners exhibit about the same sense of responsiblity as their pets.
28th Oct 05 07:10

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Draco

To many dog owners are rude and selfish they do not train or control their dogs and let them bother other people. (Often they do this with glee) You have every right to have a dog. you do not have the right to subject other people to dog noise pollution. envirionmental pollution or physical risk.

Many people are killed by dogs every year thousands are mauled.

If you mention this you are labled "antidog" no I am not "antidog" I am anti humans being killed or mauled by dogs with zero sense of responsibility.

I resent the levels of noise pollution that are spewed forth by dogs owned by rude noisy people as well.

Just remember it is not quiet people who are bothering you- you are bothering quiet people with your untrained dog.

Don't have a dog unless you are smart enough to train it and able to control it.
28th Oct 05 07:10

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Jasper

Jolly good idea. I have often considered posting it through the letterbox - never actually done it, but I think the offender would get the picture!

I cannot see what the big deal is picking up after one's dog. It's such an easy thing to do, even if one has come out without a bag, there is usually a handy dock leaf around or a discarded bag, or a stick that you can use to remove the offending waste.
15th Aug 05 01:08

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DOGS

By the way, dogs mouths are cleaner than humans. Think about it.
14th Aug 05 02:08

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Doggies

I think all towns should keep doggie doo bags available for free so that owners can pick up after their dogs.
14th Aug 05 02:08

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Dog DOO

Wouldn't dog feces in all actuality be good for the soil if it is on grass? I mean it is gross, but manure is good for growth of plants.
14th Aug 05 02:08

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DogsWillBeDogs

You can't expect a dog not to lick. It is their way of knowing who someone is. I agree that owners should pick up after their dogs, but for someone to get angry at a dog for doing something that comes natural to them, I mean seriously, if it is such a problem just walk away.
14th Aug 05 02:08

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Jasper

Dog owners should be made to clean up after their dogs - its part of the deal of having one but many don't. I suggest that shovelling the crap onto their own doorstep might be a solution as once they've trod it through their home a couplf of times they might get the message.
13th Aug 05 07:08

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Nikki

Caterum:

You said:

"Personally I think the owner and dog should have to pass some kind of test to prove they're both worthy of living amongst us!"

What makes YOU think that you are so superior to US dog owners Caterham?

I can assure you that my dog is the picture of health. He is wormed regularly, he is supremely fit and healthy, he does not smell, nor have bad breath. Our local pub - who welcome dogs with open arms - say that their 4-legged customers are frequently better behaved that their 2-legged!
17th Jun 05 01:06

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Caterum

So who's responsible if the dog has a medical ilness then Brad? Is it back to the owner. Personally I think the owner and dog should have to pass some kind of test to prove they're both worthy of living amongst us!
16th Jun 05 07:06

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Brad Hooton - Arturia - Bolton

Not all dogs and their owners are bad, yes if someones dog has foul the owner must pick it up, and if their dog attacks someone, the owner must be responsible, unless the dog has a medical illness.
16th Jun 05 07:06

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Nikki

Cathy:

You're right there about owners being on a leash! They say they're no bad dogs, only bad owners.

That dog should not have been off leash out on the streets. The most obedient dog in the world can forget where it is and chase a cat across a busy main road and get run over, or worse still cause mayhem with cars going everywhere trying to avoid it.

In the country though when you're walking through the woods I think it more understandable, if not acceptable, that an exuberant dog who likes the look of you should come and say hello - not jump up, but say hello. My boy does, but he doesn't jump up at strangers, only me. He is a husky, and they are notorious for jumping all over when they have been separated from you - even for a few moments!

Don't let a few bad owners spoil the reputation of the majority of responsible dog owner's - we're not a bad breed!
16th Jun 05 01:06

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Cathy

I agree, they are the pits. Many dog owners just don't care. I particularly hate it when they let their dogs off the leash and they go running up to you and jump up at you with their muddy paws. Nice. I really cleaned my clothes for nothing. I was actualy bitten once by a dog that someone had let off the leash. I was only running for a bus and it chased after me and bit me. Maybe its the owners that should be on a leash!
16th Jun 05 10:06

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Nikki

Why are you targeting urban dog owners? I am a rural dog owner, and am feeling left out here!!

I always pick up after my boy, he does not smell, he does not have bad breath because he is fed on a "natural" diet of raw meat, raw vegetables and raw bones.
14th Jun 05 03:06

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