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As a biker I do not understand why horses are allowed on the road.  Horse riders are for ever complaining about vehicles not giving them room, yet they allow their animals to foul the road. 

All you can do is hope and pray...

Don't they realise that when other vehicles, which pay road tax to drive on the public highway, hit this crap it creates a major danger.  I ride to work 20 miles a day through country villages (the most direct route for me). One of these villages is the home of one of the country's major polo clubs, along the main road through the village there are many blind bends.  You are riding along at a safe speed when you lean into a bend and there it is in the middle of the road, worse than ice, where do you go?  All you can do is hope and pray.

Why is it in this day and age where people are fined £500 for letting their dogs foul the verges, is it that horses are allowed on the road?  Why don't they ride around with a shovel on the back of their saddle so that they can remove their own crap.

horse crap in the road On top of this, especially near these polo grounds or hunting sites you have the typical upper class country folk who ride along and look at you as if you were the person who should not be on the road.  Not so long back one of these stuck up b*****s decided that a friends car, which had slowed down to overtake her horse passed to close and smacked it with her whip causing extensive damage.  Funny she hadn't any insurance and was not taking the blame and the Police don't accept it as criminal damage.

In conclusion, why is it that a horse which is not completely under the control of its rider, has a brain of its own, which does not have to pay any insurance or tax to go on the public highway, is allowed to leave its excrement on the road?

By: Duggy


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Clip Clop

Biggest skid risk to the motorcyclists on here is the slimey mess their brains left on the carriageway- as their is clearly little of it left in their skulls!
11th Jan 16 09:01

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jo jo

Oh don't fret, most of the big supermarkets have placed orders for the horses in this country. To go in their lasagnas.
3rd Jan 16 03:01

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GhostOfKarlosTheJackel

These are all fine arguments but it all boils down to people (as the horse has no choice in the matter) leaving the doucy for other people to deal with. Whether this is legal or not, it is a very lazy and selfish thing to do.
24th Sep 15 04:09

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wildcat

totally agree with you mate , they should be made to pay like us poor motorists . how would they like it if we did the same on there doorstep ??
23rd Aug 15 07:08

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collar

I think it is very cruel to take these creatures onto the road - anyone can see the poor brutes are terrified, that is why they are only a whisker away from kicking out or bolting. It is once again, these 'posh' people wishing to show off the fact they can afford a horse, and let all the lower-classes on the roads step into our horse doo-doo.
Because of this attitude, I always rev my engine, shout and turn up the wireless set in the car as loud as it will go when I roar past them. Bloody things.
30th Oct 14 04:10

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blondie

Actually any responsible horse rider does have insurance on their horse. Do bikers on cycles?
30th Oct 14 03:10

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Stalag14

Talking about Horse S**t is as bad as the Welsh Language thread.

Hmm........on second thoughts, let's talk about Horse S**t it's more interesting.
4th Aug 14 07:08

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marmalade

People buy motorcycles to ride fast - that is what they are for. Tight, bending country lanes are meat and drink to riders - they like the challenge I suppose.
In my opinion a man should not buy a motorbike if he is married and has children. It is not fair on the dependents to pursue such a dangerous pastime.
4th Aug 14 06:08

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grumpyoldwoman

Yes the post below is mine, when I type "gr" into the box below it comes up with all of my name, but for some reason that once it ignored the rest of it.
4th Aug 14 03:08

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gr

Well, where I come from if you go around a bend and come across something you couldn't see before it's called a "blind bend". Maybe the term means something different to you.

Why can't you just stop if you go around a bend on your bike and are confronted by an obstacle in the road? Why do you have to swerve if you are going slowly enough?
4th Aug 14 02:08

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Samson (Delilah's too busy to post)

I'm not going to argue with you GOW but I think you're just putting your own interpretation on it to justify your argument.

Regardless of that it doesn't mean you're travelling too fast. I sometimes round bends and corners to be confronted by various obstacles in the road such as parked cars, vans, skips etc. and need to swerve to avoid them. That's when I'm cycling so I don't think you can generalise and say that you must be travelling too fast for an obstacle to become a problem. I know that because at my age I cannot cycle fast. :-(
4th Aug 14 02:08

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grumpyoldwoman

"so when going round a bend, you quickly approach an obstacle the size of a large car"

"If he wasn't referring to a blind bend the obstacle would be visible before you go around the bend!"

I think this explains sufficiently.
4th Aug 14 02:08

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Samson (Delilah's too busy to post)

"it was Kyle who first mentioned blind bends without using the word blind"

Really? Have another read of that argument and then tell me which part of it isn't ridiculous! He clearly didn't mention Blind bends if he didn't say 'blind' did he!

Collar, does the expression "WUM" mean much to you? I think it should.
4th Aug 14 01:08

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collar

Samson, I think it's a bit more than a minority that are posh. I once drove past a posh lady on a horse with the wireless on (quietly) and she waved her big whip at me and bid me ''Clear orf!''
Even if they do not own their own horses they mix with the hoity toity lot, and gain some of their mannerisms.
There is nothing wrong with living in a council house, we know a family who used to live in one, and they are nice and polite etc..
4th Aug 14 12:08

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grumpyoldwoman

Samson, it was Kyle who first mentioned blind bends without using the word blind; "so when going round a bend, you quickly approach an obstacle the size of a large car going slower than a cyclist, most peoples initial reaction would be to avoid this obstacle and swerve on to the wrong side of the road and for some it could be their last."

If he wasn't referring to a blind bend the obstacle would be visible before you go around the bend! There are a lot in the lanes where I do much of my driving, and going around them slowly is essential as you never know what you might find.
4th Aug 14 12:08

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Samson (Delilah's too busy to post)

GOW.........I think you're overstating a point there to be honest.
Blind bends, tight bends etc. etc. The roads of the UK are not exactly riddled with them are they! I'm also pretty confident that horses don't wait until they have rounded either a tight or blind bend to deficate. I don't think they're really capable of that level of thought. Sometimes they do it on a straight bit of road!
It's good to have differring views about things but let's at least keep things in the rel world.

Collar, not everyone that rides a horse is posh with a bad attitude. They're probably a minority of horse riders. You have to remember that most horse riders don't actually own the horse. My sister owns a horse and lives in a council house and has a normal job. She is anything but posh.

There has never been a sweeping generalisation that has added anything constructive to a debate. Extremes of life are a rarity not an everyday occurrance
4th Aug 14 12:08

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grumpyoldwoman

Oh Kyle, I never mentioned tight bends. I did mention blind bends, which many bends are. Anyone on the road should go around a blind bend slowly enough to stop if there is an obstacle in the road. It may be another car or bike broken down, after all. There may be people trying to push a just broken down vehicle away from the bend.

If you encounter horses or horse poo around a blind bend or on straight road and have to swerve to avoid them you are going too fast. You should be able to stop and go around the obstacle when it's safe.

If riders did as you asked and tied up the horse, dismounted and scraped the poo off the road, what happens if someone else comes around the bend too fast? They would still have to swerve to avoid them or plough into horse and/or rider. Outcome much the same.

The only time I have ever been a horse rider was when I took a few lessons on a pony at the age of 15, a long time ago! I live in the country and meet horses in the lanes quite often. I always keep out of their way as I don't want a hoof kick in the side of my car.
4th Aug 14 11:08

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collar

I would say todays' roads are not the safest of places for a horse and rider. I would not be happy if my daughter suddenly decided she wanted a horse, and planned to take it on the road - however, she goes to a state school so this is unlikely

The attitudes of these 'horse riders' are half the problem. It's only the fact that they are 'posh', and dislike the poor road users, they think they don't need training, covered by all the taxes 'Daddy' pays, insufficiently trained horse oriented, non-poo-picking up owners who are, obviously posh, the problem being everyone else.
4th Aug 14 11:08

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Samson (Delilah's too busy to post)

I can't agree that they shouldn't be on the road. Everyone has the right to use the road regardless of the requirement for licences, tax, insurance etc.
I do agree though that there should be a mandatory safety test for all road users.
4th Aug 14 11:08

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collar

Hmm.. Horses for courses they say!
He didn't say he owned a motorcycle - he said it was quicker than one. Would be interested in what vehicle you do drive though.

Completely agree with the 'obstacle in the road' aspect, many of these 'horse riders' shouldn't even be on the road - and probably wouldn't let you past in your car - the modern driving test I took many years ago, so I know what I'm talking about,there should be mandatory horse-tests for these 'horse riders'.
4th Aug 14 09:08

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Samson (Delilah's too busy to post)

How anyone can claim that any kind of obstacle in the road is not a potential hazard is beyond me.
I was overtaken by a car many years ago that went through some horse manure. It flicked it up of its rear wheel and sent it straight at my head. Fortunately I saw it coming and moved. I was a pedestrian at the time.
4th Aug 14 08:08

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Kyle

Damn woman cant read. I never mentioned going fast or mentioned "tight bends" or did i say its the only obstacle on the road.. Please read my posts carefully before trying to argue with them. Your clearly a horse rider with a bias opinion... just to clarify i said "when going round a bend". Its just you, when i mentioned a motorcyclist you automatically branded it as a fast vehicle. Typical horse rider... If your going to argue with me, please make sure its about something I've actually said....
4th Aug 14 08:08

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boblet

That is telling her G.O.W. You could have mentioned the sheep droppings all over the Horseshoe pass. Very slippy when fresh.
14th Jul 14 12:07

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grumpyoldwoman

It is the responsibility of the driver/bike rider to drive at a suitable speed allowing for obstacles in the road, particularly around blind bends.
14th Jul 14 09:07

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grumpyoldwoman

Oh dear Kyle. Do you really think that horses are the only obstacle you may find in the road if you go too fast around a blind bend?
Or horse manure the only thing that may be on the road surface to hamper motorcyclists?
14th Jul 14 09:07

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boblet

A local auctioneer describes certain lots, as "box's of household items". He maintains that certain customers spends hours filling these box's with nothing.
13th Jul 14 02:07

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boblet

Howay the lads. couldn't use the right thread now could I?
12th Jul 14 10:07

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Kyle

Horse riders can be the most dangerous people on our roads. There has been many motorcycle accidents and a few deaths from riders skidding off road or into oncoming traffic because of driving through or trying to avoid large piles of horse mess. Also if there are more than one horse rider, they will never be in single file (is this to stop one horse walking through anothers poo, after all no bacteria right), they ride side-by-side, so when going round a bend, you quickly approach an obstacle the size of a large car going slower than a cyclist, most peoples initial reaction would be to avoid this obstacle and swerve on to the wrong side of the road and for some it could be their last. When walking my dog I must carry a load of plastic bags for his poo, then carry it all until I find a bin, or I get fined every time he poos when walking him. As far as I know ,a horse can carry lot of weight and im not saying carry a 1/4 ton of horse poo home but cant horse riders carry a small telescopic shovel (like the ones we keep in the boots of our cars at winter) just to scrape it to the side of the road. And please don't post and say it would be difficult to dismount, safely tie up your horse and clean the mess, unless you could say it in person to the mothers of the victims who have been KILLED in this way.

Apologies for the wall of words but I have strong feelings about this subject.
12th Jul 14 04:07

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Joanne

I didn't mean anything that i said in my last comment. I'm really sorry. I realise that horses and horse riders are a pain in the backside.
9th May 14 11:05

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Joanne

Some of you people haven't got the brains you were born with, horses were on the road long before cars and motor bike. And I actually DO HAVE INSURANCE to ride my horse !! As for cleaning up horse poo if you actually did the research before spouting off and making yourself look stupid then you would know that horse manure isn't dangerous and toxic like dog poo is, it's also a natural fertiliser so of it bothers you that much pick it up and put it on your garden. As for been made to pick it up it would be impossible to ride your horse, carry a shovel and bags and then ride around with it so stop talking rubbish !!!
9th May 14 04:05

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Nikki

Yup, I can tell you the answer to your question. It is not illegal to not "pick up" after your horse on bridle paths and the public highway. Horses are not supposed to go onto the pavement, so strictly speaking you could say it is illegal not to pick up after your horse if it has defecated on the pavement ... certainly it is a decent thing to do. IF you aware that your horse has "gone", then after your ride it would be nice to go back and clear up. Trouble is, you don't always know when he has gone because they can defecate on the move!

The reason riders ride on pavements is one of safety. You only have to read some of the comments on this web site alone to know that there are some idiots out there who think they are above the law and who consider that horses should not be allowed on our roads. Thus, us riders are forced to ride on the pavement for our own safety. We would all much prefer never to have to put hoof to tarmac, but every day more and more bridleways are disappearing or becoming impassable, and then there is the problem of how do you reach the bridleways without travelling on the road - unless you are lucky enough to have one right next to where your horse is stabled.

Thirdly horse poo is absolutely of no risk to children, unlike dog poo or indeed cow poo. Horse worms - with the exception of tape worm - do not infest humans.
25th Mar 14 04:03

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The Ghost of KTJ

Hey all, long time reader first time writer...
I am interested to know what the laws are regarding horses waste and bridal paths if anyone knows for definite. I couldn't care less if there are people who ride horses, but I think consideration for other 'humans' should come first, but thats just me.
Where I live there is a narrow footpath that connects two small villages that I am sure isn't a bridal path but there are alwasy horse riding people coming down which I find potentially problematic to the people to need to frequent the other way.
When the horse riding people get to the village I live in, very frequently they tend to use the corner of the road where cars goes around corners and children play to offload as much horse dung as possible. I hope there is a reason they dont go into the grassland/field that they are totally surrounded by.
So far I am shovelling up 'their' mess but before I take further action I would like to ask if anyone knows the specific laws regarding bridal paths and where horses choose to offload.
Thanks in advance everyone.
19th Mar 14 10:03

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Police Pooh

In our area it's the police and military horses who excrete tons of pooh onto our streets. Don't dare to question them or you will find yourself charged with a breach of the peace, facing a long prison sentence.

It's so filthy. Disgusting.
24th Feb 14 09:02

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collar

The trouble is they all drive expensive 4x4s, which are able to drive through it safely - thanks for your post. The horse owners will be home with their feet up and the products of their animals across the highway, paths, and sidewalks will not concern them. They are unable to fit a carrying device every time they take these awful creatures out and do the decent thing, however, riders also have access to compost heap sand the farms to enable them to pick it upand put it on the side of the road. One wider roads range for next day pick-up of the pooh.
17th Feb 14 05:02

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D

Surely horse's could be fitted with some kind of small cart or rubber trail that drags behind and collects the s**t ? Dragon's den get on it !! Horse manure can be reused in gardens like compost . I understand that horses need to be ridden but it's the only hobby that literally you leave your s**t dangerously on the roads , if a loved one of yours was hurt or worse killed in a bike accident because of horse manure on a road only then maybe you would show some compassion for others .
17th Feb 14 05:02

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craig b

Horse faeces contains a mite called a rubber-spider (arachnus dunlo) This voracious animal sets to work breaking down the tarmacadum layer, and eating into the foundation of the highway. It can even attack the rubber of bicycle wheels and cause the hapless idiots to tumble off of their machines.
4th Jan 14 05:01

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Human Overpopulation

Poo is organic and healthy for enviroment

The problem is the alphalt of the road not letting the poo to make its function on the soil below

And there is asphalt because overpopulation by 7,5 billion humans make roads frequently used turn into mud and dirtiness

Keep 500 million humans as suggested by georgia guide stones

then you will see how everything works beautifully as it was meant by Creation.
4th Jan 14 02:01

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Anti-purgative for Horses

It time they made horse pills to give these beasties constipation, so that they don't go to the loo all down our street.
22nd Dec 13 12:12

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hind leg

With the welcome advent of some clement weather, one is able to thrill to the sight and sound of that noble quadruped the horse.
Of course one is obliged to wear a safety hat nowadays, although these are available in some rather fetching styles, and in my opinion one always looks one's best whilst astride a sleek, dynamic, organ-filled stallion, mare or gelded brute.
My days of clip-clopping are now just a distant memory, but I can still remember with a sense of wonder that mighty beast throbbing at my fork, and once again I am whizzing and zooming along the happy highways of my youth, cutting a swathe through the summer haze, my heart full of joy, for these are loyal, highly intelligent animals, and though a tad on the large side, will share a cosy fireside with one's gun-dogs, and allow itself to be petted along with your canine companions, tails all a -thump.
6th Oct 13 01:10

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Kev

Horses should be banned from roads in this day and age, a complete menace
25th Sep 13 07:09

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Follyfoot

Horse owners must be very careful at this time of year due to the danger posed by the common crane fly ( Tipula simplex) The more commonly known daddy long legses can give a horse a nasty sting, which may lead to impotence and dementia. As the most common part of the horse to be stanged is the neck, it is advisable to fit a scarf to your mount, sturdy enough so the daddy long legses cannot bite the hoss.
24th Sep 13 01:09

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Ihatethisguy

How do you expect horse riders to pick it up! Can't you see how dangerous it would be to have riders GET OFF ThERE HORSE on roads, then try and hold there horse while picking up the poo. YOU Really need to get a life and think about how dangerous it would be for people to remove there own horse manure.
17th Sep 13 01:09

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Nikki

Whinny the pooh - horse faeces - unlike dog and cat faeces - is not harmful at all to humans. You cannot "catch" any of the nasties you mention from horse faeces.

Horse pooh is an excellent fertiliser - just put it on your roses and get a life !!
14th Aug 13 03:08

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Whinny the Pooh

I hate horse pooh. Our local military ride their horses up and down the streets of our neighbourhood. They pooh huge piles everywhere. They don't bother to clean up afterwards. Yuk!!

Think of the piles breeding a trillion flies, each one a potential spreader of germs.

Horse pooh contains tetanus spores. Even worse!! E. coli, salmonella, leptospira, I. Giardia, cryptosporidium, campylobacter and more. The gut of a horse is a huge, mass producer of bacteria and other microbes.

Is that pile of steaming turd in the middle of a tarmac road beneficial to the environment? I don't think so.
12th Aug 13 02:08

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boblet

Of out to the "Bucket of Blood" now for a game of dom.s now, please ignore any iffy posts I may or may not make later.
16th Feb 13 08:02

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boblet

Thanks for the sympathy jobby. However I learnt awhile back that it is not the size that counts. Being a pillow biter you may have missed that subtlety.
16th Feb 13 07:02

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boblet

I am curious jobby why do you keep threatening me with kenny?
16th Feb 13 04:02

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Nikki

Hang on a minute - you say you did stunt riding in "Equus" - and "Warhorse". Equus was filmed in the mid 70's, Warhorse around 2010 - that's around a 40 year span!!

Methinks Jobby telling porkie pies!!
15th Feb 13 12:02

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boblet

You had to go back & do a remake of Equus? It's scandalous I would have only done a retake. You got on a horse with a broken leg then broke it again, after falling of another horse, or was it the same horse or just the same leg? Is that what you are saying jobby your surname is not Boddy is it jobby? You being an expert on horseshlt. Where you wearing your jobby catchers? Were there any leaks? All these unanswered questions are leaving your loathing public in suspenders.
14th Feb 13 07:02

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Nikki

jobby : which hallucinogenic drug are you on? I want some!!
14th Feb 13 01:02

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rc

Horses should wear nappies,but shouldn't be on the road really
5th Nov 12 11:11

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JOJORAMA

HORSES WERE ON THE ROADS WAY BEFORE CARS - DEAL WITH IT YOU MISERABLE PERSON
23rd Oct 12 12:10

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boblet

Horse muck contains no strains of disease whatsoever JJ, they only eat grass. Even pony nuts are just compressed grass. Oh they like sugar & molasses, which are antibiotics.
26th Sep 12 01:09

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Friday Lunchtime

This opens up the same type of arguments that the cyclists come up with. It's simply a question of selfish behaviour and I have observed too many selfish arrogant horse riders, and cyclists, on public roads to have a great deal of sympathy for either group. Many motorists are just as bad.
24th Sep 12 07:09

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Thankgodwe'renotrelated

What a vile group of people a lot of you are. Do you think horse riders actually want to go on the road? Regarding footpaths and horse hung - there shouldnt be any as horses are not permitted on them. If this is the case and you are 100% sure it is only a footpath (I have had countless dog walkers and miserable people moan at me for being on a footpath when actually it is a bridleway) then you should report it to the council who should address the situation. Horses foul on the roads, not pavements. Dogs poop on pavements in the way of human feet...horses do not.
To ask why horses dont have to have insurance/tax is to ask why do cyclists not have to pay tax or have insurance as well? It is recommended but not compulsory. A horse whip is nothing more than a bit of plastic.. I seriously doubt it did any sort of damage, I can smack a horse and it not leave even the faintest mark - it damaged a car? Really? The average whip is approximately 60cm - 1m long - if you are driving that close to a horse when you have the option to be further away then you are a senseless driver who should not be on the roads and are a liability to walkers, cyclists, riders the lot.
The fact is the law is on the side of the horse rider for a reason - they are the more vulnerable of the 2 when faced with a car. Your displeasure with it puts you within a narrow minded minority and I personally am pleased that I have the law to protect me from people who are willing to put the lives of others at risk through their own impatience.
24th Sep 12 03:09

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grumpyoldwoman

jobby, I've seen drivers like that too; usually they are on their way back from a "working" lunch.
31st Aug 12 11:08

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Arthur Saltan

Duggy. What a senseless and mean spirited post this is. It sounds like you are the kind or person who is only happy when banning things and telling people what to do 'for their own good'. It's not as if horse dung on roads is a common site (I drove to Manchester and back yesterday and didn't see any at all on the M6) and if you were paying attention to driving your car, you would simply avoid the mess.
It seems to me that you either don't pay enough attention when driving, or you are speeding around like a maniac - either way it sounds like you are a menace on the roads and should take some refresher lessons from a driving school.
In the meantime please don't try and ruin other people's lives by imposing your own narrow minded rules and opinions.
30th Aug 12 01:08

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grumpyoldwoman

I suppose humans in charge of large lumps of machinery are never hysterical, unpredictable, tired or under the influence of alcohol or other substances then?
24th Aug 12 09:08

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Shetland Sharon

Get a life. Horses were here LONG before motorised vehicles. WE DON'T WANT TO RIDE ON THE ROADS, but we have a tiny percentage of bridlepaths which are fragmented meaning we have to ride on roads to get to them. Try riding a horse for a week and see what we have to put up with. As for picking up the pooh - sorry, we are unable by law to carry a shovel and remove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23rd Aug 12 10:08

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Nikki

The irony of your post, "Put a diaper on your horse" is clearly lost on you!

You describe horseriders as "a bunch of arrogant maniacs", and then in your final paragraph describe their pursuit of horseriding as being "pointless".

Cannot you see how arrogant you are for describing a past-time that clearly holds no interest to yourself as being "pointless"?
8th Aug 12 01:08

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Put a diaper on your horse

Horse riders are a bunch of arrogant maniacs.

If I drop even so much as an apple peel on a public path, I'd be liable for a severe fine for littering.

However, horse riders are seemingly able to allow their horses to foul as many public bridleways or streets as they so desire - and no one can do anything about it.

I propose a law whereby the horses must be fitted with horse diapers.

The horse riders can then continue their pointless pursuit without distressing ordinary people.
23rd Jul 12 05:07

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annoyed with idiots

There may not be a law governing horses fouling on a footpath but there is one for them being on a footpath. It is not allowed to ride or lead a horse on a footpath, for there to be droppings on the footpath it would seem that the horses are also on the footpath - your local council should be doing something about this. It's people like that who give the others a bad name.

That said I'm sorry but to expect a rider to carry equipment safely, dismount, clear it up and remount at the side of a road, whilst remaining in control of the horse and not causing a hazard is not practical. In fact it would cause more problems for other road users than it would solve as a stationary horse on the carriageway not under full control of the rider would definitely cause a hazard. There's a couple of answers -

Lobby your local council to clear horse manure from the roads and paths (horse owners pay council tax so don't start!)

Lobby your local council for alternative, off road routes to be made available in high use areas. The main reason that riders need to use the roads is that developments have cut across and disjointed bridleways, so roads are needed to reach the areas that can be used. I'm damned if I'm going to sell my horse and give up because the council have agreed to disjoint a bridleway and I have to use a road to gain access to it, and this might cause people to have to slow down and dodge the odd pile of poo.
19th Apr 12 10:04

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Cynthia

I contacted my local Street Pride at Walsall Council about the horse stables RIGHT ACROSS the rode from their Street Pride depot in Brownhills. There is always horse poo on the public footpaths from the stables. As I mentioned to the Council not only is is disgusting, dirty and down right nasty, its embarrassing that the footpaths in front of a STREET PRIDE DEPOT is littered with horse foul.

This was their response (a quote from some regulation that I cannot find): "Is it unlawful for horses to foul on adopted footways or public rights of way/footpaths?



Horse fouling does not appear to be governed by any legislation, whereas dog fouling is covered. This appears to be because dog faeces contain toxins and bacteria that are dangerous to humans whereas horse faeces do not. Consequently there is no obligation for horse riders to collect and dispose of horse droppings. The Litter (Animal Droppings) Order 1991 makes clear that dog faeces shall be treated as refuse for the purposes of this section. There is no reference to horse faeces."
19th Apr 12 03:04

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From the country.

If the rider could hit the car with a whip then the car was to close when overtaking which is very dangerous as horses can scare easily and throw their rider. City car drivers just don't understand.
5th Mar 12 01:03

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grumpyoldwoman

Dog poo carries diseases which are dangerous to humans; horse poo does not.

And, if you've got a garden it's wonderful stuff!
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i am sick and tired of horses pooing all over the roads and public footpaths. If my dog did this i can face a fine. Why should horses be treated any differently. Most riders don't give a damn for public decency or they wouldn't go into shops with their dirty boots on. I have just had to walk out of a local shop because 2 people were in there in jodphurs and boots full of muck, the stench was awful. if they like to live in xxxx let them but not make us live in it with them.
3rd Oct 11 02:10

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Mr Muddy

No body pays road tax, it doesn't exist, the cost of road fund licence barely covers its own cost. I'm not a horsey person and agree that horse mess is an anti social problem but then so are loud exhaust pipes
Pedestrians, Cyclists and horse riders have the legal right to be on the road, motor vehicles dont!
(Spelling is bad due to dyslexia)
27th Jun 11 10:06

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four_wheels_rule_ok

Here's an idea.......buy a car and get off your scooter
26th May 11 03:05

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fed_up_of_poo_on_tyres.

I wholeheartedly agree with the poster and although unpopular I also feel there's a distinction between those who pay hundreds of pounds just to drive on the road and others (horse riders, cyclists, etc) who don't yet can be the cause of accidents without any means of identification to be held accountable. Sometimes it's not possible to swerve to avoid a pile of manure ending in being squidged and said earlier and trailed on my driveway. A simple compromise I saw in what's not considered a 'first world' country was a sackcloth placed at the rear end of a horse that caught the manure. Presumably the owner is then able to sell the neatly bagged manure on. Why in our enlightened society can't riders adopt a similar idea?
23rd May 11 05:05

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Nikki

You make a persuasive point Freddie. I agree with you in principle - except for the fact that we do not always know when our horse has deposited on the road, and if even if we did, we cannot stop, dismount, clear it away and remount. It is illegal to dismount on or near the highway, so all we can do is come back after the ride, by which time it has usually been squidged into the tarmac. I fully agree though that we should clear up after our horses on pavements (after all, we shouldn't really be riding on the pavement in the first place, although all of us have to sometimes out of safety) : )
15th Apr 11 06:04

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Freddie

Everyone has the right to use the road regardless of their tax payiong status. I cannot believe that people still think that paying road tax entitles them to preferential road use. What next? will it be that 4x4 owners claim more rights then saloon car owners, who in turn claim more rights than motorcyclists based purely on who pays the most road tax? It is utterly ridiculous!
Horses have every right to be on the road but I do think their owners should bear some responsibility for what is deposited on the road as a result. If a part falls off your car you are legally obliged to pick it up so why not a horse? It is an offence to deposit any substance on a road and horse owners should be held equally accountable as motorists in this respect. Whether it harms others or not is not the point.
8th Apr 11 12:04

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owen

horses have rights that nothing else does because for hundreds of years they done all the work and if bikers motorists had more respect for them perhaps they wouldnt drop so much when you pass them like idiots with contempt
8th Apr 11 08:04

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Nikki

I never went away Pizza-Mad Artist!! I have always been here, slogging away standing up for our 4 legged friends!!

thanx
15th Mar 11 01:03

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Wolfshade

Sorry being a pedant here "Don't they realise that when other vehicles, which pay road tax to drive on the public highway", they don't pay road tax, they pay vehicle excise duty which is a tax on owning not using a vehicle. The chances are these horse riders also own cars (high banded 4x4s) and so pay the same VED.
But I do completely agree with you regarding horse manure. Imagine you have an open face helmet you, its wet you drive throuh manure and you get hit in the face.
15th Mar 11 12:03

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Pizza-Mad Artist

Omg nikki your still here on weekly gripe after years still commenting about horse manure :-)I missed seeing your delightful comments on this wonderful website :-)but now your back.Do you remember me ?!:-)anyway well said nikki and alfred you two obviously are streetwise I do wish you two could share your wiseness with the rest of the world.Kind regards to you two and your dear kin,pizza-mad artist XxXx :-D
13th Mar 11 10:03

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Nikki

Excellent! Well said, Alf Red. It is all about commonsense. Motorbike riders in particular are very vulnerable, and it is therefore madness to belt around left hand bends in particular in the countryside assuming that the road is clear. You have no idea what lies around that bend, and for your OWN safety alone, you should proceed with caution.
13th Feb 11 11:02

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Alf Red

The by-product of horses is...well...horse s**t. The by-products of cars are.....rubber on road surfaces, oil from leaking engines, water, carbon monoxide, soot, diesel particulates, hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide (maybe more). I still cannot bring myself to like horses, but I have to admit their pollution is less dangerous. I have had various motor bikes and lived in the country where you soon realise that you cannot ever assume that the road is safe. Round every corner could be horse s**t, water, mud, ice, livestock, tractors - each a hazard. A safe speed is the speed you can travel and safely stop if you come upon a hazard.
9th Feb 11 01:02

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Meg

Um, Boblet I really don't understand why that post was addressed to me??? Like has been said before on the issue of horse manure on the road - for the rider to immediately remove it would cause more of a hazard to other road users than the manure itself. Perhaps if campaigns were started and supported to get more off road riding then there would be less of a problem. There are lots of hazards on the roads unfortunately horse riders/owners are on the receiving end because of the ridiculous stereotypes that exist.
1st Feb 11 10:02

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Nikki

Yeah right, Boblet, and my ****** a bloater!!

The clue must lie in your final sentence!
30th Jan 11 09:01

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Boblet

It is true Nikki, I am not sure how I can convince you, maybe now that I have started to gripe you will get to know me better. "Always truthfull but prone windup folk up a bit"
29th Jan 11 09:01

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Alf Garnett:

Not sure that a horse, weighing around half a ton, is going to be phased one little bit by a piece of human excrement.
29th Jan 11 05:01

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Nikki

Still don't buy it Boblet. There are several holes in your story.

Need to do even better I'm afraid !!
29th Jan 11 05:01

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Boblet

Only a bit if fun Nikki, This is a true tale though. Late one evening we were on the M6 returning home from a show when my daughter needed to go to the toilet. She went through to the horses & did what she had to do in an Asda bag as we continued our journey. On her return to the cab I asked her what she had done with the bag so that when I was mucking out the box the next day I could remove it, she said don't worry Dad I've shoved it through a stall window, I will leave the rest to your imagination.
29th Jan 11 12:01

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Alf Garnett

If I ever see a horse poo in the road I follow it to its stable then watch it till it goes out for a walk in the field then I sneak into its stable then poo on the floor, see how they bloody like it.
28th Jan 11 11:01

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Nikki

Boblet: stop being a wind-up merchant - if you put horse poo in a paper bag, you would not get very far.

You're going to have to do better than that.
28th Jan 11 08:01

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Boblet

Meg I shovelled some horse poo of the road, put in a paper bag over the handle bars of my tandem, then took it to a local livery yard to complain, all the manager said was go in the stable my man & get yourself a warm piece.
28th Jan 11 06:01

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Nikki

Just ignore him, Meg, he's winding you up.

We don't have blue circular signs round these parts - what planet are you from Jim?
28th Jan 11 12:01

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Meg

Yes Jim - they can go a damn sight faster but as with everything the element of control is reduced by the increase in speed - plus most horses wear metal shoes which makes anything faster than a trot dangerous due to slipping especially on the roads that most riders have to use - poorly surfaced country lanes. Not to mention the damage to the horses legs caused by moving faster on tarmac.
27th Jan 11 09:01

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Nikki

Jeremy Clarkson: YOU are talking a load of nonsense! There is no MINIMUM SPEED LIMIT. There are maximum speed limits, but no minimum.

So I suggest you run away and read your Highway Code that you profess to know so well. In it you will find the recommendations for how to drive around not only horses but all livestock.
26th Jan 11 09:01

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jeremy clarkson of DERBYSHIRE!

by the way my name is jeremy clarkson, and im not off the tv!!!!, I passed my driving test by having a broad knowledge of the highway code and drving at a standard deemed acceptable by the DSA, I only had 3 faults which trust me is a good score. I dont so much mind the horses its the riders, they expect too much from people. OH and good joke you idiot, Captain Slow and the hamster.
26th Jan 11 08:01

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Captain Slow & The Hamster

jezza, if you're only 17 how did you pass your driving test with that attitude?
26th Jan 11 03:01

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Nikki

Ben: you're not the same person as "horses shouldn't be on the road are you?". There is a lot of similarity to your two posts ... think you may have been rumbled mate. Try harder next time :)
22nd Jan 11 07:01

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Nikki

Ben: try slowing down and looking where you're going. If you can't see the road, then you shouldn't be driving on it. Do you clear up any oil or petrol spills from your bike? Do you KNOW if your bike has left any oil? No, of course you don't. Well us horse riders don't always know when our horse has gone to the loo.

Slow down, clean your headlamp, look where you're going and you'll be fine. There are other hazards on the road you have to look out for apart from horse poo. Oil spills, rubber - skid marks are lethal when it's wet for bikes - mud dropped from tractor wheels, litter of various types. If you hit a huge pile of horse poo because you didn't see it, then you either need glasses, you're going too fast, you're not looking where you are going, or your headlights are dirty or defective.
22nd Jan 11 07:01

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KT

Perhaps instead of moaning about it, maybe all the people who are complaining and moaning about horses on the roads should join forces with riders like me who don't actually want to be on the road for miles to access a cut up and disjointed bridleway, and start a campaign for more off road riding to be made available. Everyone wins, riders get to ride in safety, no horses on the road to poo on the road and cars don't need to negotiate horses on the road. Well everyone except those who insist that they can legally ride on he road so they shall - unfortunately there are some riders like that. Unfortunately I can never see that happening though the majority of motorists and horse riders seem to want the same thing for different reasons - horses to be on the roads less. Just a thought.
22nd Jan 11 12:01

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Ben

I was just hurtled 10feet and totaling my bike from hitting a large pile of horse dung left on a bend in a country lane! it was dusk so I couldn't see the road as clearly as one would like! I totally agree, horse riders should clean up after themselves and their horses, even if it is not a health concern in the same way dog poo is, it certainly is a danger to cyclist! and dare say motorcyclists.
21st Jan 11 07:01

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bertsmom

Good God what is the matter with you? I dont have a horse or a bike but to get so worked up about such beautiful animals being on the road suggests underlying problems...have you considered therapy?
16th Jan 11 03:01

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Mr Summers

You won't need a carrot. You will need a shotgun to fight off all the people who want to take the horse from you because by then there would be no law and order.

Carrots would be the least of your problems.
13th Jan 11 02:01

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tegzidoll

sorry but horses were around well before the bike or the car. Also, dog poo is dangerous. You get that in your eyes and you're blind. Horse manure helps things to grow hence why its not as lethal. I pay insurance and today my horse was hit by a car. Looking to sue! You bikers have no idea. You can replace a bike. Cant replace a horse!
12th Jan 11 10:01

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Nikki

I'm waiting for a response "horses shouldn't be on the road".

Taking you a long time to think up another load of baloney to throw at horse riders are we?
5th Jan 11 01:01

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Nikki

Sorry, don't buy that "horses shouldn't be on the road" for the following reasons:

1) unless you have a very light road bike or were riding a 'crosser or enduro, you couldn't stay upright going that slowly round a blind bend. The inference being a blind bend is going to be fairly sharp, therefore you need some welly to get round it.

2) assuming you were riding 1 of the 2 aforementioned, then unless your headlights were not working, covered in mud, or plain useless, going that slowly you would have had plenty of time to see a pile of horse poo and avoid it. It is illegal to drive on the road with defective or dirty headlights, so if this was the case, then your near miss was YOUR fault.

3) assuming again that you were travelling at 10 mph, hitting a pile of horse poo would not be "very dangerous". Unless you are a useless bike rider, you would be able to maintain control of your bike. If you can't, then you shouldn't be on the road. You are more of a danger to yourself and other road users than any horse could ever be.

To answer your final paragraph, you may find this strange but most horses wear metal shoes. Even at walking pace, it is difficult to hear the dropping of poo from the backside of your horse. Trotting it would be impossible. In addition, unless your horse has diarrhoea, it is pretty silent when it hits the tarmac.

In addition, if you read your Highway Code, you would know that it is illegal to dismount from a horse on or next to the public highway. Bit difficult to pooper scoop sitting up on a 17 hh horse, also exceedingly dangerous.
3rd Jan 11 05:01

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horses shouldnt be on the road

The reason bikers are so annoyed at the horse crap is because it is a major threat to them. I almost came off my bike at about 10mph on a blind bend in the dark because I didnt see the lump of it that was on the road. It is very slippy stuff.

My main point being, it doesnt matter how fast / slow you go through it, its very dangerous.

Surely you can hear a massive lump of wet grassy mess dropping from 4ft in the air hit the road with a big thud. We would be much more thought full towards you if you cleaned it up.
2nd Jan 11 06:01

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Vic

Riders do pay insurance to ride on the roads and in most cases a lot more than the general motorist and due to this we have as much right as half of the incompetant inconsiderate drivers.
you must have the same complaint about electric wheel chairs on the road do they have insurance?
14th Dec 10 05:12

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I have to ride my horse on the road as I live on a main road and it is my only way out and if I didn't have to I really wouldn't subject myself to all the selfish, thoughtless idiots who can't take up 30 seconds of there precious time to slow down. There are two sides to every coin and not all horse riders are rude, rich and arrogant like not all car drivers are not thoughtless as lots have people have said there are a few from each side that let everyone else down. Why do people think they have more right than others on the road I pay insurance for my horse so if I was the cause of any injury to a member of the public while riding I have the provision for someone to make a claim against me is this the same for all drivers I think not there are some out there who drive with no insurance. On the subject of horse poo on the road this isn't the major cause of accidents, this summer my horse was happily grazing in her paddock when a motorcyclist came speeding along lost control of his bike fell off and his bike smashed through the post and rail fence nearly hitting my horse which at this point was galloping around in a state of panic. So what do you think I did just thought bloody motorcyclist should be more careful of course not I called an ambulance, flagged someone down to block off the road as he was laying out of it in the middle and picked up his bike and kept it at my house for him while he was taken off to hospital ok thankfully!. As a result my poor horse is now petrified of motor bikes. I always slow down for walkers and people riding push bikes its not my hobby but I don't think oh well lets just mow them down I can't be bothered to slow down and I don't expect them to thank me for this act of human decency!. By the way I do always thank people who make the effort and for those who don't slow down I hope its not you who is the unfortunate one some day. Isn't the road big enough for all of us to enjoy our chosen hobbies?
13th Dec 10 03:12

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Nikki

"That's so true, if I don't pick my dogs mess up I will be fined, so horse owners should get the same treatment.
Then again most horse owners are wealthy and probably think that Jeeves will pick it up later".

That is the biggest load of bigoted rubbish and nonsense!!

All the horse riders I know, are penniless because of the cost of riding and keeping horses. You obviously move in higher circles than I do if you think that all or most horse riders are rich!
29th Nov 10 09:11

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Nikki

That is tragic, angry guy, but your friend was going too fast if he was unable to avoid horse droppings on the road. It could just as easily have been mud dropped off the wheels of a tractor, spilled oil from a lorry, both of which are far more difficult to see and avoid than horse droppings.
29th Nov 10 09:11

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angry guy

As for the people who say that horse poo on the roads is harmless, try saying that to a biker who is paralysed after his bike slid on the stuff.
29th Nov 10 08:11

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angry guy

That's so true, if I don't pick my dogs mess up I will be fined, so horse owners should get the same treatment.
Then again most horse owners are wealthy and probably think that Jeeves will pick it up later.
29th Nov 10 08:11

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Louise

How can someone cause extensive damage with a whip? What rubbish! And if the rider could hit the car with her whip without nearly falling off then your mate obviously WAS too close. Dog fouling is penalised because dogs are carnivores and therefore pose a threat of parvovirus in their faeces. Horses are herbivores so do not pose this enviromental threat. If the best thing you have to moan about is horse droppings in the road then I suggest you find a hobby to amuse yourself with.
16th Nov 10 02:11

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Horse poop I mainly grass and hasnt got the germs and toxic that dog poo has, thats why you dont have to clean it up
3rd Oct 10 01:10

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Brock

I ride both bikes and horses, I pay insurance for my horse, bike and car and road tax for the bike and car. I know what you mean about the poo situation, BUT, when driving / riding along a country lane expect the unexpected. We don't all look down on bikers and car users, ONLY when they show no consideration to us. And to be honest, I don't expect them to have any manners towards anyone else. Come batting by me on a bike or in a car at 70 mph on a country road without attempting to slow and I sure as hell will swear at you. FAIR?????
28th Sep 10 01:09

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Bonnie

When what comes out of my horses backend causes as much pollution as what comes out the rear end of your bike or a car - I'll worry about it.
25th Sep 10 05:09

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St1ngo

I cannot agree more
Get these bloody menaces off our roads

St1ngo@me.com
22nd Sep 10 07:09

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Nikki

You've got it in one PP - riders usually have no idea of what's coming out of their horse's rear end, which is just one more reason why it is so stupid to expect us to poo pick as we ride along!!
11th Sep 10 10:09

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Pedestrian Pat

Sorry, that should have read "beautiful, spirited animals..."

Have a hay fever attack and cannot stop sneezing!!! You can't type properly if youa re sneezing.
10th Sep 10 09:09

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Pedestrian Pat

Nikki - I really know nothing about horses. I think they are beautiful , spirit animals but have zilch experience of them. All of my animal keeping has been cats and Labradors; the blunt end isn't a problem with Labs, it's stopping them eating everything in sight at the other end!

A friend's Lab has recently taken to eating twigs. Have you ever tried keeping a dog away from twigs? They are everywhere!

From what I have seen of horses they don't seem to give much warning of what they intend, they just raise their tails and whoops , there it is!
10th Sep 10 09:09

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Nikki

Very funny PP !! the problem with horses' bowel movements is that you never have much of an idea when its going to happen if you're riding - and even after the event, it is very hard to know when your horse has "gone", therefore it is very difficult to exert any control at all over when and where it happens!
10th Sep 10 07:09

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hannah

I have horses and I ride motorbikes (well did until someone nicked it) but I do understand what you mean, but try carrying a bag horse poo, its not as easy as dog poo. But it is bad for owners to let there horses poo on driveways, I try not to let mine do that.
10th Sep 10 07:09

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Horseglider

If a horse ever craps in my driveway, I'm going to learn to ride horses and buy a horse and then trot up to the driveway of the horse owner and wait for it to crap on their doorstep.
10th Sep 10 12:09

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Pedestrian Pat

Nikki - I was , of course, joking!

I think the other poster was referring to their car windows but I still don't see how that would happen.
9th Sep 10 09:09

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Nikki

Hmmmmm ... methinks the poster is telling little porkies !! And you too Pedestrian Pat !! As far as I am aware, it is impossible to train a horse where and when to defecate! As for backing him up against a house and getting him to go on command such that the doors and windows are covered .... pull the other one !!
9th Sep 10 07:09

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Pedestrian Pat

The directional spraying of horse pucky is the latest Olympic equestrian event Nikki!

It takes skill, training, lots of practice and a nice bran mash a few hours before.
8th Sep 10 09:09

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Nikki

fed up: are you saying that a horse or horses defecate all over your door and windows of your house? That's some clever horse, that's a sight I would like to see !!
8th Sep 10 08:09

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Horses first

I am using a similar statement as this for bringing a case of careless driving ( not a biker ).
This attitude is best removed from the web, if you are ever involved in an incident with a horse - it wll be used against you.

Michael
6th Sep 10 04:09

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I live in the country but get fed up of coming home from work to find piles of horse crap outside my house and then to find it all over my door and windows is even more bloody annoying....i dont expect horse riders to clean up after my dog....so why should I clean up after them when I have just worked a 9 hour shift...not impressed....
5th Sep 10 08:09

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Nikki

Ha ha another Anon ... very good pun !!

No, of course I have never tried to ride with a shovel ... what a stupid idea !! As is dismounting on the road to "poo pick". Suggestions made by people who know nothing about horses!
23rd Aug 10 07:08

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Horseaholic

Uh yeah,.....ever try to ride with a shovel on the back or your bike, which obeys your commands and allows you to remount without a hassle ? Wellllllll.....horses are not like that....Dogs's feces are quite small compared to horses' feces...think of it as free manure...why not dismount from your bike when you come across roadapples ? Can always tell a bikerider who has never tried riding a horse .....the lack of education shows....
21st Aug 10 10:08

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another anon

Well that will serve me dang right for making silly jokes because it should have been "serve them dung well right" and I got it all wrong!

Red faced now.
19th Aug 10 08:08

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Nikki,

didn't you mean it will it serves them dung well right ?

sorry, could not resist it!
19th Aug 10 08:08

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Nikki

Well, IF "they" don't, Lez, then they will come a cropper, and it serves them dang well right. As my OH says, an avid biker for 50 years, if you can't see and avoid a pile of horse manure, then you either driving far too fast or are incompetent, or both. He has lived in the country all his life and has never ever skidded on a pile of manure, simply because you should expect mud, poo and other countryside hazards in the country. Just like when in the towns, you expect people to run across the road, traffic to change lanes unexpectedly, traffic lights to change.
19th Aug 10 08:08

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Four legs good, two wheels bad

Why when I drive my car should I need to be reminded "Think Bike", they don't think horse. When all the petrol in this world has gone you'll be glad that the likes of me have kept horses, those horses will be used to transport goods once again. Bikers think that Saturday and Sunday were invented for them to terrorise other road users. By the way my horse is insured.
19th Aug 10 07:08

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Lez Paylor

yeah I get both sides of this Nikki, living in a very rural area which is also a motorcyclist hot spot, Im waiting to hear back from a friend of a friend if theres been any fatalities here in the UK and also with a pc friend of mine based in Oz
your comment that "if bikers drive slowly and carefully on country roads," doesnt really make sense, we both know that they dont, some are very responsible and I dont mean to tar all with the same brush,
19th Aug 10 06:08

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Nikki

I doubt it Lez ... if bikers drive slowly and carefully on country roads, they can avoid any horse or cow poo very easily. Poo is no more dangerous than mud left by farmers' tractors, both are just natural hazards in the countryside and have to be dealt with appropriately, just like traffic bollards, humps, pedestrian crossings etc. etc are natural hazards in our towns and cities
18th Aug 10 08:08

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Lez Paylor

Are there any stats/proof of any motorcycle fatalities here in the UK for this Pooroblem.?
18th Aug 10 05:08

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Hooligan Hedgehog

Reason being :- Horses have the Right of Way on a public road. All other users are there by licence. In the same way as power gives way to sail on the sea / river, other roads users must give way to horses. I am not a horse rider nor horse lover, just a law abiding road user. I too am a biker and live in the country, close to equestrian and polo centres. Get over it. However, I love the idea of horse riders carrying around giant pooper scoopers and big plastic bags !!!!
13th Jul 10 03:07

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Hooligan Hedgehog

Reason being :- Horses have the Right of Way on a public road. All other users are there by licence. In the same way as power gives way to sail on the sea / river, other roads users must give way to horses. I am not a horse rider nor horse lover, just a law abiding road user. I too am a biker and live in the country, close to equestrian and polo centres. Get over it. However, I love the idea of horse riders carrying around giant pooper scoopers and big plastic bags !!!!
13th Jul 10 12:07

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Nikki

Yes indeed, but not so that a healthy human being is at risk from contracting illnesses from these. Over the years of being involved with horses, through eating sandwiches with unwashed hands, wiping my mouth whilst mucking out, whatever, I must have ingested several ounces if not pounds of horse poo, and have never ever ever been ill as a consequence.

I have though contracted Giardia, and so have my dogs and my neighbour and her dogs, and several other people in the village and their dogs, from human sewage sludge spread on the fields here as fertiliser!
8th Jul 10 09:07

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Anonymous

It is not entirely correct to say that horse dung does not carry diseases.

It can contain bacteria like E. Coli, Listeria, Salmonella, Clostridium tetani and protozoa like Giardia and Cryptosporidium, all of which can be harmful to humans.
4th Jul 10 10:07

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Nikki

Jolly well said Tricky Rider. My husband, who used to own a Ducati Mike Hailwood Replica, and was an excellent bike and horse rider, says exactly the same thing.

Pedge, I keep saying the same thing about cow poo. It is far, far more dangerous than horse poo, and yet bikers keep banging on about how dangerous horse poo. Codswallop I say, it is NOTHING to do with horse poo whatsoever, it is either misguided and misplaced jealousy, or a pathetic attempt to cover up their poor bike skills by blaming substances on the road. My husband says that tyre rubber on white lines is far far more dangerous than horse poo, because it is far harder to see and therefore avoid. Wet leaves are very dangerous too ... why don't we cut all the trees down near to roads just so's motorbike riders don't skid on them.

It is a pathetic and very fatuous complaint IMO.
4th Jul 10 09:07

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Pedge

What about cow poo? It is even more slippery. Does that mean cows should not be allowed on the roads to get to the fields they are in? Also I definitely agree that if the whip could reach the car, it was far too close. If the horse had kicked it, or worse, spooked and landed on top of it, the damage would have been much worse. Most riders take their horses on country roads, where people don't lift dog poo either. It is also very easy to miss, you should pay more attention! Not all people who have horses are stuck up (admittedly, some are!) most are decent people, and some are working class people who work hard and keep money aside to keep a horse if riding is something they are passionate about.
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Tricky Rider

I ride a motorcycle and a have horses I ride on the road ad have no trouble miss horse poop , slow yo ass down
if you where in complete control of bike you could miss the bio-degradable equine deposites.
if your don't like taxes and insurance, ride a horse and save our air , Go Green.
horses where on the roads many years before any motor vehicle and in most States horses have the right away , sorry friend but if you can't lick them join them.
horses where here before you where and are going to be here after you and I will be gone
16th Jun 10 03:06

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well I ride and I have to ride on the road to get to the common. I think that if that person hit your wip then he was going way to close and could of made your horse rear-up or something. How the hell are you ment to carry a shovel and pick the horse poo up off the floor and then get back on its not only dangerous to get off your horse on the road but where are you ment to put the poo after you have picked it up?... and were would the shovel go? well to all you cars and bikers slow down round the corners anything could be there like cows, sheep, horses etc or it could be even people. So all of you SLOW DOWN.
12th May 10 05:05

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erm if a car was passing close enough to hit with a whip then it was far too close!
i dont agree with hitting passing cars but it must have been far too close.
Im suprised the police didnt caution your friend for dangerous and irresponsible driving. passing too close and fast to a horse can cause danger to all parties.
i have trotting after cars that have passed too close if they turn into a drive to explain just how dangerous their actions are. most people just dont know, EVEN though it clearly says pass wide and slow on the back of my jacket!

and in actual fact, most horses are insured and most owners drive cars and DO pay towards tax...but in any case, horses DO NOT DAMAGE the roads. so to tax them to use them would be insane.

can you not see any practical issues what so ever, to having a shovel on the back of a horse?!

horse droppings do not cause blindness like dog droppings and wash away really quickly.

if you are driving too fast or are incapable of manoovering around an obsticle in the road, you shouldnt be there and are obviously an incompetant driver.
1st May 10 12:05

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Nikki

RotA ... I absolutely agree with you about the high viz issue. Where I used to keep a horse at livery, before my accident, going back about 15 years, they used to take the water out of me because I would ride out in a yellow vest stating "Please pass wide and slow", with a high viz yellow sweat rug, latest standard hard hat of course, fluorescent bands on my stirrup irons and whip. "They" used to ride out in traditional dark barbour jackets, dark hats, no high viz strips etc. etc. Nobheads, I used to think myself. Had my friend and I not been wearing bright, high viz clothing when we were hit by that motorcyclist, we would have been found partially liable for the accident. What price nobhead then?
25th Apr 10 07:04

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Rider of the Apocalypse

Nikki, really sorry to hear about that, must have been very traumatic, I admire you for getting back in the saddle again. I hope that drivers and motorcyclists alike read your story, it brings home the hard facts of taking these kind of risks, but sadly I doubt if it will cut any ice and the casualty list of horses and riders and careless drivers will continue to extend. I also think it would be a good idea for local Police to visit private and public stable yards and offer some road safety advice for riders, on many occasions I have seen riders on roads on dark horses wearing dark clothing and even without a hat, thats a no no in my books, we as riders should lead by example...
20th Apr 10 12:04

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Nikki

R o t A : I totally agree with you ... even with your remark about motorcyclists. Most of them are brilliant ... after all, they are extremely vulnerable to a well-aimed hoof, even more so than drivers (I have seen a mini totally stoved in with the driver ki11ed because he terrified a horse, which reared up and came down on the car, completely crushing it and the driver. He was ki11ed by the horse's hooves coming right through the metal roof and smashing his skull).

However, it took just one little selfish twit on a Kawasaki to kill my horse, my friend's horse (who was split asunder and slowly bled to death in agony with his guts spilling all over the road) and almost put me in a wheelchair, with a broken back, pelvis and many other fractures and other very serious injuries both physical and mental.

A plea to any bikers reading this .... SLOW DOWN especially when riding in the country. Around every left hand bend, there could be a horse ... or indeed a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep. Expect the unexpected, and then when you come across a pile of Dobbins doo doos you can quite simply, slowly and safely avoid it ... simples !!
20th Apr 10 12:04

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Rider of the Apocalypse

Have you been taking or drinking certain banned substances Mr/Mrs/Ms The Placer?
19th Apr 10 10:04

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The Placer

Rider of the horseys(Includes donkeys and ponies and camels and sluts and slugs and horse and b!tches and turtles and the supER ninja turtles ect(((RIGHT???)))
Well done to your horse manure filled cotton panties and obviously to YOU.I thhhhhink
LOVE from
X*X*x*x*X*X*x*x*X*X*x*xThe Placerx*x*X*X*x*x*X*X*x*x*X*X
18th Apr 10 04:04

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Rider of the Apocalypse

What a moaner, Horses have been a mode of transport for thousands of years and have rights of way on the roads. Perhaps you should try slowing down on the bend. Horse poo is organic and good for your Roses, its all part and parcel of the country life, are you a city dweller by any chance? Well done to the rider that whacked the drivers roof, the driver was obviously too close otherwise the whip would not have reached, perhaps this driver will think carefully on the distance between their car and the horse, I myself have whacked a few car roofs and will continue to do so. Drivers have no patience, perhaps if they left a few minutes earlier they wouldnt be so impatient, quite often I have been overtaken on a blind bend by these loonies. Anyway....Up the horse fraternity down with the road fascists.....PS: Just wanna say in support of bikers that they are the most curtious when it comes to manners on the road and horse awareness.
14th Apr 10 03:04

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The placer

Bertram.Would you pretty please with horse junk on top tell me why that particular activity is rather unpleasant.I am rather curious. While your answering my amazingly great question would you honourably tell me which languages you can speak.Thanks for your overcomingly overwhelming attention.Yours shoresa.The placer
11th Apr 10 12:04

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Bertram Millipede

It"s flippin well not very nice on toast either, believe me! and thats talking from experience!
10th Apr 10 07:04

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The Placer

Gainsborough lad you have been outed and are now a mystic elf who lives in glasgow. Horse manure on the road is not very nice.
10th Apr 10 07:04

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Nikki

5pence. My husband used to ride motorbikes. His last bike was a Mike Hailwood Replica Ducati, a mighty beast and very beautiful. He says that anyone who cannot negotiate around a ruddy great pile of horse poo should not be riding a motorbike on the road. It is hardly difficult to see. If you hit a pile, then you are driving too fast. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. In other words, when in the country, drive accordingly. Assume that around the next bend you will be confronted with a pile of horse **** or a slick of cow pats, or a dead rabbit, hedgehog, badger, whatever. If you ride like a nob then you can expect to come a cropper.

If you read your Highway Code, you would know that it is ILLEGAL to dismount from a horse on or beside a road. It is illegal for a very good reason - it would be extremely dangerous to dismount from your horse and attempt to poo pick whilst holding on to your horse at the same time. We ride on the roads simply because we have to --- to reach areas of off-road riding. If road users follow the highway code, there is absolutely no reason why horses should not be perfectly safe on our roads - the reason why they frequently are not is because of those idiots who refuse to follow the Highway Code and pass horses wide and slow.
6th Apr 10 09:04

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Gainsborough lad.

Been there and all your other childish aliases, using other nicknames doesen't make your points of view any more stronger towards me believe me. neither do insults and name calling,
5th Apr 10 07:04

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5pence

I totally agree with you, around where I live it is a serious danger to motorcyclists (I am one). Their arguement is horse manure isn't a health hazard like dog poo is - although the flies it attracts are. They also say that they would be endangering their life by dismounting from a horse and shoveling it on a public highway.
What I find puzzling is how can someone say they love the horse and are very pro-welfare get onto a horses back, order it to carry them, and then take the horse onto todays increasingly dangerous highways.
5th Apr 10 12:04

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Been there

Oh well Gainsborough lad.
Tonight is just not your night is it ?
It seems i'm not the one with a target on my forehead after all.
4th Apr 10 11:04

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Gainsborough lad.

We are watching tv, we have a computer projector on as well, with a very large screen and I flit between facebook, a joke website, BBC news, and about fifteen local and national newspapers, hardly hogging this website,

I am not gay, but married, and I take note that you mock gay people, I only hope that you wake up one morning and find out that you now find people of the same sex attractive, see how you like having to go through life with being gay.

One out of ten for your poem
4th Apr 10 09:04

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Gainsborough lad.

I just knew the night would end in insults, it's the only way for some people when they run out of words lol.
4th Apr 10 09:04

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Been there

Gainsborough lad.
I guess you are on the right page, as you do have a habit of talking manure(for want of a better word).
No,you are not a secret troll, as you have been outted,so now, you are just a troll. If you weren't a troll you wouldn't keep using an alias to insult people.(FACT)
Everybody is entitled to have an opinion.Others may have made one on me already, but opinions are better when based on facts, and your say-so isn't fact.
As for me committing most of the sins you speak of, it's clearly you that's committed them, since you have so much to say on every subject.
4th Apr 10 09:04

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Gainsborough lad.

Been there, I am on here to talk sense on a variety of subjects, I can assure you, and others, that I am not a secret troll, I won't ever run out of words and have to start afresh with a new nickname,

You don't like my views because they point out a few wrongs that some people do in life, and I bet that quite a few of those wrongs are commited by you.

People on here will have read your insults when you have run out of words, and can make up their own minds about me, and also you,
3rd Apr 10 09:04

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Cake Tin

And may I just add I DONT have facebook. I'm sure I made that clear, okay another anonymous?
20th Mar 10 03:03

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Cake Tin

I would just like to say to everyone a huge sorry. I was being stupid and I was just a bit angry. I would like to apoligise to everyone for my abusive language and lack of respect. It was all a bit on a spur of a moment or two or three. Thank you A different anonymous for cutting me some slack I bet you're a really nice person
12th Mar 10 05:03

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A Different Anonymous

I have read all the comments on this gripe every day for 3 years ever since I discovered the internet.Now these comments about "Cake Tin" and "Chocoholic" are quite harsh.I believe we should all forgive them ONLY if they send an appology letter to every person they have offended.After all they are 13 and humans.Humans make mistakes,Teenagers make mistakes and so do I.Even though when I was a teenager I used to cross stich and darn my confortable socks.I have never had an education when I was young and have started learning English and all the other subjects Five years ago.I have found out I am a quick if "retarded" learner and pleased with my achievement.However I believe we shold forgive those unfortunate kiddies and invite them to join in our delightful conversation.Yours truly
A Different Anonymous(73 years old)
11th Mar 10 05:03

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cody

to the person that posted this, about your friend that slowed to pass a horse if they are close enough to be hit by a whip of a rider ( I think it is not something that she should have done by the way) suggests to me that he was passing too close. The nature of horses can be unpradictable at the best of times let alone on the road when people think they are an inconvenience and shouldnt be there. If car owners ( I am one) dont like horses on roads loby your mp and ask for more bridle ways as they are few and far between. And as to insurance all respectable horse owners do have at least third party insurance. The reason people are fined for letting dogs mess in areas is that dog mess can cause blindness in people.
10th Mar 10 02:03

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another anonymous

Caitlin also obliged us by giving us her date of birth; 09/12/1996.

I'm sure someone out there could find her and her mates on facebook or whichever of those sites they waste time on. How about a little revenge?
9th Mar 10 08:03

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anonymous

Giulia and Caitlin

I wonder what your nice middle class parents would think about the swearing and abusive language that you use here? Not to mention the threats of violence and "rape your mother" type of things that you say.

I think they would be shocked, horrified and very very angry.

There are very few secondary schools in Cardiff. We can narrow it down to those that have design and technology departments and it is probably a Catholic school. What about Corpus Christi High School?

I wonder how long it would take the school to ring your parents and how long it would take before you two are grounded until you are thirty!

Not long I think.
8th Mar 10 06:03

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Yawning

Nikki, I totally agree with you, all the people you mentioned are clearly rolled into one demented idiot, what did a previous poster call it, oh yes a fruit cake. How thick to use the same style of writing for every person that’s impersonated. I wouldn’t be surprised if he/she/it/ are not even a teenager, just someone who can’t hold their own in a debate without resorting to this sort of attention seeking look at me, pay attention to me behavior. I might have even said it was funny but sadly there’s no humor in the ramblings it’s just drivel, I say we just ignore it, let it talk to itself, we’ll never get any sense out of it.
7th Mar 10 02:03

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Jube

Gainsborough lad, I do see the point but I'll never look at a carrot the same way. You’ve set my imagination off again just as Nikki had a shone a light lol.
1st Mar 10 11:03

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Gainsborough lad.

So, you have a vegatable patch, on one half you chuck horse poo, on the other half you don't,

Come harvest time the horse poo fed vegatables look lovely, however the other half, hardly grew,

So needing some veg for dinner, you pick the veg which has been nourished with horse poo,

In some ways, we eat a lot of xxxx in our lives, like it or not.
1st Mar 10 10:03

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Jube

Granted, sometimes my imagination does run away with me Nikki. Have a good evening and I’ll imagine you nibbling on something healthy:)
1st Mar 10 10:03

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Nikki

Jube: You really must curb that fertile imagination of your's !! Where do you get this extraordinary idea from that I eat horse poo every day !! I merely said that during my time with being involved with horses, I must have (inadvertently) consumed a lot of the stuff and lived to tell the tale!! I also believe I have said that the stuff is harmless and you could eat it and come to no harm. I certainly do not eat the stuff purposely and regularly ... even I am not that horse mad !!
1st Mar 10 10:03

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Jube

Nilkki, the only thing I am sorry about is the death of your Dressage Star. I really do feel for you there, that must have been a heartbreaking nightmare. I'm not a fan of motor bikes really in fact a young man of 23 from these parts foolishly crashed into a parked van last week and died.
Now, where was I -----?

My reference to tampax is soft debating compared to you eating horse poo every day. As I said before, if eating horse manure every day for dinner is what you call debating then tally ho, I'd rather have pmt and reach for the tampax.
27th Feb 10 09:02

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Nikki

Jube: when you can actually debate in an intelligent fashion, then I will engage in a discussion with you. Your reference to tampax just proves the point.

Dressage Star : my horse was ki11ed by a speeding motor biker, and I was severely injured. We only had to cross a lane to reach a bridleway ... just a matter of a few feet. You take care now, especially of thoughtless bikers. Luckily, most of them are very civil and respectful of horses ... but you get the odd crazy nutter, who give the sensible majority a bad name.
26th Feb 10 11:02

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Dressage_Star

If a car is close enough for it to be damaged with the smack of a whip, it is FAR too close. As a rider myself, I have nearly been ki11ed by the actions of motorbikers coming too close to my horse, nearly knocking him off balance as he spooked on a fairly steep road. This all occured as I was riding to the beach, which consists of a stretch of road that takes little more than five minutes to cover. Bridle paths are also too rare, and where they can be found, they can only be accessed by road. As a 15 year old I must say: quit moaning and be and adult, you should of learnt to share many years ago.
26th Feb 10 09:02

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Tally Ho!

Just a quick pointer to Lizzylou, are you aware that you can be fined for spilling diesel or mud on the road ?
25th Feb 10 08:02

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Jube

And you sound like you've got PMT Lizzylou, how do you know that I haven't got stables? How do you know anything, on your bike dear the tampax are that way ----> :)
24th Feb 10 09:02

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Lizzylou

You are a typical person who lives in today's world. Horses have always used the roads/tracks and still when when idiots like you have run out of fuel. I bet you don't post about mud or all those truck drivers who spill diesel (far more likely to spill you as you can't always see it). Ban the trucks - keep the horses!!! I am a biker too!
24th Feb 10 08:02

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Jube

Waiting for Nikki to let us know how the new diet is going. How much manure are you on cause as far as I can see it's coming out of both ends already. I have to agree that it might make your carbon foot print friendlier and you'll be definitely be more bio-degradable. Not so sure if it'll improve your intelligence though, cause as far I know anyone who consumes poo of any kind is usually referred to a psychiatrist. Live and let live I say but thems the breaks.

Why not take a portable hose pipe out with you when you're off for a hack, you can wash the horse poo off the roads instead of the rain. Obviously pick your dinner up first, wouldn’t want you to go hungry now would we. Just off for a drive in my 4x4 toddle pip .
24th Feb 10 12:02

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Nikki

Frankly, Gainsborough Lad, I would rather have to consume a pound of horse **** every day of my life if it would mean that I didn't have to breathe in chemical and petroleum pollution.

Sadly, some people cannot see this - or understand it.

As jess says, horse poo is totally harmless and bio-degradable.
21st Feb 10 09:02

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Jess

I am a horse rider and I would like to say that a horse rider cannot control when thier horses are going to go to the toilet, and the reason why we are not expected to pick up the poo is because of the fact that the poo is bio degradable which means that when it rains the poo will simply wash away down a drain somewhere.
19th Feb 10 07:02

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Gainsborough lad.

Could someone tell me the worst evil, all the cancerous and poisonous airbourne chemicals which are pumped out of millions of car exausts and breathed in by all,

Or the faint whiff off a pile of horse dollop, you would probably have to get down on your hands and knees to actually smell it.
16th Feb 10 10:02

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Nikki

OK, would you like to explain to me Jube how I can suddenly grow eyes in the back of my head so that I can see when my horse has pooped on the road?

Or, how I can stop him in the first place? You say "they can sh*t anywhere they want but not on the road ...". It would be lovely to be able to train them, like I have my dog, but I don't know how to, and nor do any of my horsey friends. Perhaps you would care to educate us?

I am not deliberately winding you up ... I am trying to make you understand that it is impossible to somehow train your horse's bowel movements, like you can a dog, and that it is downright illegal to dismount from your horse to poo pick! The best we can do is to return (if we know, and if we can remember) to the spot post-ride, and clear up ... but by that time it has been squidged into the tarmac.
16th Feb 10 12:02

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Jube

Oh Nikki, you really enjoy taking this to far don't you lol. I will say what I've said before, if you have a animal be responsible for its sh*tf. btw I love horses and all animals they're so cute, they can sh*t anywhere they want but not on the road or the pavement where drive and walk. They can sh*t in the fields and the valleys where ever they want lol.
16th Feb 10 11:02

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Nikki

What about wild animals? There is plenty of fox, rabbit and badger poo on roads. What about cows being moved from field to field? Do you object to that too? Do you want to see all wildlife exterminated so that your environment is completely clean and pure, Jube?

It is clear that you know absolutely nothing about horses, because if you did you would know that it is illegal and downright dangerous to dismount on or beside the road. Therefore you would have to leave your horse's droppings until you get back home, and can come back and clear up the offending pile, by which time either someone will have pounced on it with glee for their roses, or it will have been squished into the tarmac.

It is not a question of being lazy, it is a question of common-sense. As for expecting the police to pick up their horses, I suppose you would be delighted if you got crushed during a riot because the mounted officers were busy poo picking instead of controlling the riot, and protecting the general public?
15th Feb 10 01:02

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Jube

animal s**t is animal sh**t and I don't want to see it on the roads. Ok horses poo maybe safer and good for the garden but clean it up take it home shove it on the roses. Stop being lazy leaving it around the roads its offensive!!!!! btw, I do like horses and if I owned one I'd be responsible for its sh*t. Nikki get over the poopper horse scooper its a good idea for lazy police officers ok.
14th Feb 10 01:02

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Nikki

Yes you are right! As an even bigger lover of dogs than I am of horses, I can still agree with you. Dogs are mainly carniverous, which is why their poo stinks and horses does not. Which is why we have to pick up after dogs, and not horses, because dogs feces carries dangerous parasites which humans can easily contract.
7th Feb 10 08:02

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Gainsborough lad.

Try whiffing horse poo, its not too offensive to smell,

But step in dog mess, thats a right horrible stink, am I right.,
4th Feb 10 11:02

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Nikki

Exactly! I dread to think the amount of horse poo I have consumed inadvertantly over the years!! So much fuss about a bit of harmless poo - as you say, in the old days when the rag and bone man used to come round, we kids would dive out and gather up the very welcome excellent fertiliser kindly left by his pony!

However, dog feces is totally useless as a fertiliser because it does not break down quickly and easily like horse poo does, because the dog has a carniverous diet. In addition, dog feces as we all know carries very harmful parasites that can infect humans, horse poo does not.
4th Feb 10 04:02

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Gainsborough lad.

If you had a vegatable patch or allotment, and a horse did a chocolate iceberg or two on the path next to it, you wouldn't think twice about scooping it up and putting it on your plants,

But if a great dane did the same, would you be as willing? I bet not,

Remember the Stepto film where the son scooped up the droppings with his bare hands and then ate his sandwiches, no-where to wash your hands on a rag and bone round in them days.
3rd Feb 10 10:02

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Nikki

D Taylor : you've smoked too much wacky baccy I fear !

Dog s*** is dangerous in that humans can catch some nasty infections from it, horse s*** is totally harmless - you could eat the stuff and be perfectly all right.
3rd Feb 10 09:02

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Nikki

Jube: don't talk such a load of rubbish! Do you honestly think the police have got the time or finances free to clear up HARMLESS horse poo? Unlike dog poo, horse poo is completely harmless. It carries no parasites that can affect human health, it is very bio-degradable, being quickly washed away by rain and dispersed by traffic. I bet you would be the first one to moan when you call out the police because you have been burgled, and you are told there will be a delay because lack of officers due to cut budgets.

You clearly know NOTHING about horses, else you would not make such a ridiculous suggestion that horses should wear poo bags under their tails. Even police horses!! Can you imagine how mounted officers would control their horses during a riot, with great big bags of poo swinging around under their tails, bashing into each other and causing panic? Despite popular myth, police horses are not docile creatures - I know because I used to own one that had been retired out of the Met - and they can be a real handful. Yes, they can be trained - as carriage horses are in Belgium I understand ... but it would take a HUGE amount of resources, resources that our excellent police forces do not have.
31st Jan 10 08:01

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Jube

I totally agree with you that anyone who takes a horse out on the road should be responsible for cleaning up its dung. Dog owners have to do it so why not horse riders. I have a police stable right near me and you see the poo that's on the road, its gets on my nerves. The mounted police should have a poo bag under the horse's tail or a big pooper scooper to pick the mess up off the road. It makes the steam come out my ears.
30th Jan 10 03:01

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bill boi

road horse manure is awesom, I scoop it up and put it with my dinner, poo rules, I make love with it too
28th Jan 10 01:01

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The oil shortage spoken of here will not occur for hundreds of years. Explorers on the atlantic bed have recently discovered a massive oil field. Current estimates suggest that there is as much oil in this single bed as was used during the entire 20th century. Now that's a lot of oil and it doesn't suggest we're getting short.
I'm afraid horses are likely to be 2nd class citizens in terms of road use for some time yet!
28th Jan 10 09:01

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Because whoever wrote this horses were here before cars so get over it

Horses are the best!!
23rd Jan 10 08:01

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Gainsborough lad.

Most major oil fields are in decline, if it wasn't for the world recession shortening the demand of oil, I think there would be a big shortage now, there seems to be less cars on the road, my road has a lot less cars parked on it than two years ago due to the recession,

My estates not the ideal place to tether a horse, but give it time.
21st Nov 09 09:11

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Nikki

Oil, gas, coal, all will run out very soon, but horse power shall go on for ever !

Horses rule OK !!
21st Nov 09 09:11

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Gainsborough lad.

Nikki, yes, when the oil has ran dry, and the horses are cultivating our land again, manure on the road will be the last worry that we will have. the first signs of an oil shortage will be the price of oil rocketing upwards in price.
11th Nov 09 10:11

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Nikki

And won't that be fab ! I often find massive old horseshoes in the fields at the back of our house, very rusty and corroded, doubtless shed by some gargantuan shire horse whilst he toiled away pulling the plough ! A lovely thought, Gainsborough Lad !
11th Nov 09 09:11

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Gainsborough lad.

Not much more than a hundred years ago we relied on the horse to plough the fields to grow our food, it will be less than a hundred years when we will be back to that situation.
10th Nov 09 11:11

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Nikki

Good point, Gainsborough Lad !

Wouldn't it be lovely if we went back to the age of the horse. I certainly could ride to work from the point of view of distance, although I am not sure what my boss would say about a horse in the office!
10th Nov 09 08:11

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Claire : well said. As a victim of a reckless motorcyclist, who ki11ed my horse and seriously injured Yours Truly, I heartedly agree with your sentiments! It is actually illegal to dismount from your horse on or near the road. Even if it were not, you would have to have half a brain to do anything so dangerous. If you have a horse any bigger than 15 hands, it is not easy to mount from the ground and extremely dangerous to do so beside a road - you don't need me to tell you this !
10th Nov 09 08:11

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Gainsborough lad.

If the new report on "peak oil" in todays online newspaper the Guardian is true, then it won't be that long before horses make a more larger percentage of road users.
10th Nov 09 11:11

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Claire

Many bikers ride bikes for their hobby, why should bikers be allowed to ride on the roads if this is a hobby, surely they should go on a track then. Some people on motorbikes are wreckless which causes injury or death to us on our horses and pedestrians.
I'm sorry but we cannot be expected to carry a shovel, bucket and the poo in the bucket and also be expected to hold your horse still and pick it up and re-mount again, its just not possible.
Two can play at this game but it doesn't need to be like this if motorists accept that horse riding on the roads is not going anywhere. I also drive a car and pay taxes and also have liability for my horse, I don't beliee we should pay any more as we pay enough as it is.
10th Nov 09 11:11

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Horse poo is grass. That is it. Dog owners get fined for letting their dogs foul on verges because it is harmful to people, horse poo can't harm you. I'd much rather step in a pile of horse poo than dog poo anyday. How do you genuinely expect riders to be able to clean up their horses poo anyway? Even if we managed to get off to clear it up, most would not be able to get back on afterwards..? Horse poo hardly takes up the whole road, if you are that concerned then just avoid it..? I pay road tax aswell, and my horse is insured.. I don't anyone without public liability insurance.. my horse and I have as much right as anybody else to be on the roads. If you choose to drive through the country village which has polo stables in it, then it is YOU that needs to adapt not them!! So so ignorant. With regards to your friends car that got damaged, I hope he learnt to give a bit more room next time ;) Best wishes and good luck in fighting your ridiculous corner! Let us know the day it becomes illegal to take horses on the roads!!
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Well said everyone. Horses have been around far longer than any other vehicle. They used to be the only transportation available. This person needs to grow up and get a life, I pay road tax so why shouldn't my horse be allowed on the roads and I do have insurance. Most of us are very considerate and thank other road users for passing us slowly but you can get the occassional rider who doesn't. Some people need to learn where the foot break is and have some common sense. Why do people think its ok to come really close behind then pass and accelerate when your right opposite the horse.
30th Aug 09 02:08

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Maybe the reason they're allowed to foul the road is because is isn't toxic like Dog waste is. Yes it makes a mess and most horse riders are fairly stuck up but it isn't particularly dangerous. If you can't navigate around something ten inches in size at most on a bicycle then perhaps you shouldn't be on the road youself. Stop complaining, it's the countryside.
30th Aug 09 02:08

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Cant beleive what I have just read on the Blackpool gazette's webpage, promanade horses now have to wear nappies, have the council there got nothing better to do?
How about some posters in all the guest-houses warning the stag-nighters about the dangers of tomb-stoning, loads of them have got ki11ed or crippled over the years, and whilst I am at it, the flight attendants on european package holiday flights tell you on every flight how to put on a life jacket, when did one of these flights last fall gently into the sea? how about warning these holiday makers about falling of hotel balconies and getting ki11ed or crippled, I must of read of hundreds in the tabloids over the years, horse manure on roads, I ask you, is any-body picking it up and eating it? what is the problem here?.
28th Aug 09 10:08

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Nikki

With the BHS Gold Membership you get £10m worth of TPL cover. It used to cost £30 a year for Gold Membership, but it will be at least double that now, but still bloody cheap for such cover.
Plus all the other things that come with the membership.
28th Aug 09 06:08

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jacksy

I have 3 million + other things on my insurance nikki, I think people are just ignorant about things they no nothing about, its a case of putting ones brain in gear before their mouth and finding out the facts, you cant afford not to have it these days with the suing culture that goes on now, it would only be a fool who wouldnt have insurance on someone who is a real novice.
26th Aug 09 07:08

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Nikki

We do indeed have 3rd party liability insurance - at least us responsible riders! I have £10m worth - more actually than I have on my car insurance.
24th Aug 09 04:08

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jacksy

oh I forgot to add perhaps you need to contact your local council to ask them to do as they should and clean the roads which I beleive comes as part of the council tax
23rd Aug 09 09:08

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jacksy

Horse riders do actually have insurance to be on the road so get your facts right its called pblic liability insurance and if you got to close to the car then you are lucky a whip was all that caused the damage as a horse can way over a ton in weight.
23rd Aug 09 08:08

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Nikki

Actually, Jim, I am a HUGE reader AND I used to race off-road motorbikes, and my husband used to own a Ducati Mike Hailwood Replica which he would take me out on. Around country lanes in Hampshire, where horse riding is a very popular pursuit. He just drove accordingly. A pile of horse poo is not the most invisible thing in the world, if you are riding at a sensible speed, avoiding horse and cow poo is not difficult. Ditto diesel and oil spills. Again, I would refer you to my husband, who is only a little guy, and the Duke was not a small bike. And yet he never came a cropper at all, ever. Why? Because he didn't drive like a nobhead with a death wish. He rode sensibly and safely, keeping the heroics for Amateur Track Day at Goodwood.

What an extraordinary and very childish remark to make ... that you cannot stand horses, or the people who ride them. So, Jim, you have personally met every single horse rider in the world have you? Ditto horses?

I agree with you that we should pay road tax, and it should be COMPULSORY to have at least third party insurance. I do have third party insurance via my British Horse Society Gold Membership.

The bags that the Dutch and Belgian horses wear are for carriage horses I think you will find. It would be impossible for a riding horse doing anything faster than a walk to wear such a contraption. Incidentally, horses are NOT the only animals that are allowed to foul the highway. Farm livestock being moved from field to field make far, far more of a mess than the odd horse. Have you ever followed a herd of cows being moved? The road is awash with slurry. Far, far more dangerous for a motorbike than horse poo.
10th Aug 09 06:08

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KT

Jim van 'dam - There are many hazards on the road(as you rightly state deisel spills being one of them), horse manure is just one of them, my point is why is it that horse owners and riders are targeted with such venom? Which trust me they are, with the assumption that all horse riders are toffs and ignorant etc, I get that a lot, shouts of "posh b!tch!" and "Stuck up cow!" and that's when I thank a driver for slowing etc, with the comments in this main post being what I have endured for years. You say that you can't stand horses or the people that ride them, know them all personally do you, these people that ride horses? THAT is my point, you have made a sweeping statement about ALL horse riders. If you care to read back through the mountain of posts (do you have a few spare weeks?!) you will find that I am an advocate of horses having insurance and paying a contribution to the upkeep of the roads, I also think that before a horse and rider are allowed on the roads they should pass a test to ensure they are safe and competent to do so, and that anyone under 16 should be accompanied by a competent adult, after all it's people's lives we are talking about here as you so subtly pointed out. As for the horse manure issue, well I also believe that where it's safe and practical it SHOULD be picked up - shovelled onto the grass verge maybe, however, you say it is hard to avoid a pile of horse droppings, how much harder would it be to avoid a stationary horse at the road side with a rider dismounted concentrating on shovelling poo into a bag instead of controlling their horse with full attention and both hands? And no, I've never ridden a motorcycle, but does that mean I can't have an opinion on this matter? So, why can't you stand me then (as you say you can't stand horses or the people who ride them) just because I ride a horse? Slightly narrow minded seeing as that's just one of the things I do with my life.
10th Aug 09 06:08

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@KT "So why is there such a hoo ha about horse manure?"

Hmm, clearly not much of a reader then, and clearly never ridden a motorcycle.

I can honestly say, that this has NOTHING to do with jealousy or class distinctions. This is to do with insurance, potential risk and road tax. As a motorcyclist, there are a number of things which make me furious, one of them is the horse crap. Another is diesel spills. Both of these KILL MY FRIENDS THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN and that is why it should be deterred with heavy fines (IMHO treated as Manslaughter in the case of death caused by spillage). Tailgating is another one (which should be classed as murder in my opinion).

Personally, I cant stand horses, or the people who ride them, but I don't think they should be stopped. In Holland, where I live, the horses have to have poopbags hanging off their backside under the tail, and that seems to keep the worst off the roads. They also pay road tax and must have liability insurance...so yes, once again its little Britain being eccentric. Not in a good way.

I do think that horse owners should pay the same as everyone else, and I do think, for purely safety reasons as pointed out above, that they should not be permitted to foul the public highway, the same as every other animal.

You see, horses ARE being treated differently, i.e. getting extra privelages, and it is this which the article points out as unfair.

Of course, its too simplistic to say this situation is because all the decision makers in society have daughters who have horses, but it definitely looks fishy from an objective point of view.

Nobody is voting for more glue here.
10th Aug 09 04:08

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Nikki

Like the ghastly character "Loadsamoney" from the Harry Enfield Show. And the revolting nouveau riche chap ... "I'm con-siderably richer than you !!"

Having money is no proof of class or good breeding ... just the opposite !
10th Aug 09 03:08

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Gainsborough lad.

As the word jealousy cropped up a few comments ago, I had to butt in, we live in one of a cluster of four detatched houses, twelve years ago one got rented out to a couple who didn't work, claimed housing benefits, free school dinners, ect, after a few years we started getting the comments, "my mate who is a block-paver says you can tell you did yours your self" or "you can tell when people are skint as they drive Ford-Capri's" (I drove loads of Ford-Granada's at the time) and loads of other comments, then the wind-screens started getting smashed in the night my other neighbour had five done, and the benefit claimer got caught with a cheap security camera connected to my vcr 1830hrs on a sat night three years ago, after smashing the screen next-doors security light lit his face up a treat, all on tape, even with a private landlord, eight months later, evicted, couldnt contain his jealousy, his choice not to work, to the point, I have learnt to absolutley hate jealousy, toff-bashers, royal-family haters, ect, and yes, it is the last thing they would admit to.
6th Aug 09 10:08

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Can I come too? I've got the proper boots! ( Two pairs, actually, they are a weakness of mine.)
6th Aug 09 06:08

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Nikki

What a wonderful idea, Gainsborough Lad !!

Can I come with you and be your Girl Groom/Cook/Bottle Washer and General Factotum !

You supply me with a suitable horse, and I'll be your Cow Girl !

Not sure what my husband would have to say about it, but never mind him !!
6th Aug 09 06:08

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Gainsborough lad.

Nikki, have to agree with you, our country has a lot of jealousy in it, but thankfully it's a small percentage, but if you are a victim of a few of them, life can be hell.
A nice dream of mine would be to ride horseback in cowboy costume across monument valley USA.
5th Aug 09 10:08

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Nikki

Sorry - I meant to say in that last posting ...

" ... but nothing will persuade me that most of the vitriol shown towards horses and their riders is NOT all about jealousy".

Doh !!
5th Aug 09 09:08

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Nikki

KT, I honestly believe you have hit the nail on the head. The old, old adage that horse riders are all upper class hoorays, with country estates, a string of servants and grooms to look after them and their stables full of magnificent hunters - I call it "The toff up, peasant down syndrome".

It is a load of absolute nonsense of course, but nothing will persuade me that most of the vitriol shown towards horses and their riders is ALL about jealousy. Most of the world's ills are based upon just that ... jealousy ... the have's, and the have-not's. In the case of horse riders, it is totally misplaced. All the horse riders I know are as poor as church mice because horses are so dang expensive to keep and maintain, including myself !! (I don't have a horse any more, but I am referring back to when I did).
5th Aug 09 09:08

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KT

Yes it seems a little of a contradiction about the dismounting doesn't it? Seeing as we are taught the things I stated in the lower post, however, it does seem sensible to only dismount where not to do so might be more of a hazard, indeed my horse is 17hh so it would be a long walk home (or a short ride!) were I to hop off where the fancy took! But to get back to the point really, horse manure on the road, well, as Nikki says it's harmless regarding parasites etc, especially related to carnivore waste, and doesn't pose any more risk to road users than spilled oil, cow manure or an overflowing drain that leaks water and mud onto the road, these are all hazards that a driver should be aware and competent enough to avoid and deal with. So why is there such a hoo ha about horse manure? Maybe it's not what it is, or indeed what produces it that people object to, indeed reading the above origional letter, that has derogatory comments towards horse riders, it's the people who ride the horses that some people object to? That old stereotype rears it's head again with comments like:
"typical upper class country folk" and "one of these stuck up b1tches".
Just a thought.
4th Aug 09 07:08

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Nikki

Yes I am sure KT. I read it somewhere on the highway code website I thought, or it might have been in the printed version. It is indeed definitely safer sometimes to be on the ground than on board, which is why I was so surprised when I read what I did. It may be because if you have a large horse, anything over about 15 hands or so, it is quite difficult to mount from the ground without something to climb on, such as a gate. This can be very dangerous of course.

It is indeed possible to be found to be Drunk in Charge of a Horse. You can't be breathalysed, but if you are obviously drunk, you can't talk without slurring your words, you cannot walk down the white line, then you can be found guilty of the charge. Whereas it is not illegal to use a mobile phone whilst riding, if you are involved in an accident, whether or not it was your fault, the police will examine your mobile phone to see if you were using it at the time. If you are found to have been using it, then your liability will be affected. In other words, if you are whacked into by a motorbike on the road and it is totally the biker's fault, nonetheless if it is found that you were on your mobile at the time, you will be found partially liable for the accident. Whether or not you were completely the innocent party.
4th Aug 09 06:08

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KT

Nikki, are you sure about it being illegal to dismount by the road side? I just remember from my riding and road safety that we were told to dismount if we thought it safer than being mounted eg/ road works etc. Not that I'm advocating riders hopping off all the time but there are times when it is definately safer for the horse, rider and other road users, if the rider dismounts and leads the horse. I've looked on the highway code website and the BHS riding and road safety and can't find mention of it that's all. And before the anti horse lot start, you CAN be charged for not maintaining adequate control of an animal on a public highway if it is deemed that you are being reckless and putting others in danger without good reason, for example using a mobile phone (I know someone who WAS cautioned for this - and rightly so) being drunk in charge of an animal on a public highway and doing things that may cause an accident, such as stopping by the roadside to pick up a dropped whip or glove for instance, that would mean you weren't in full control of the horse and this could put everyone at risk, and really what harm is a dropped glove going to do?
4th Aug 09 12:08

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Nikki

The reason it has never become law to pick up after our horses is mainly because horse manure poses no danger with regard to parasites, unlike dog poo. The horse is a herbivore, and therefore the waste is non-greasy and very easily and quickly washed away by rain etc.

In addition, it is illegal to dismount from a horse on or beside a road, ie on the pavement or grass verge. It is totally impossible to "poo pick" from the back of a horse. Each "dollop" weighs three or four pounds I would think, and it is just totally out of the question. Yes, riders can go back afterwards with a shovel and pick up the offending waste, but 1) it will most likely have been squished into the tarmac, 2) you are not always aware when your horse has "gone", so therefore you would be unsure as to where to drive back to and 3) it may be that the road is a clearway and you cannot stop.

I do think where possible though that horse riders should be encouraged to clean up the pavements where their horse may have "gone". I know the riding school I used to use, based in a village, used to send out the stable girls from the stables3 or 4 times a month with a wheelbarrow, brush and shovel to sweep the pavements clean.
3rd Aug 09 05:08

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couldnt agree more, well said! its the same situation in the area I live in, they could at least shovel it into a feild or somthing.
28th Jul 09 10:07

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Thankyou KT.
I wasn't having a go at horse owners, I was only asking, as somebody told me that the police had a go at them for not cleaning up after their dog, and mentioned that the police never clean up after their horses.
I grew up in the countryside (westerham,kent) and had stables and paddocks near by, and know that horse manure has its uses (unlike dog's mess).
I've not been out to kent since my nan died, so am not aware of how bad it is with motor bikes ect.
thankyou for your answer though.
27th Jul 09 12:07

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"You horse owners have all the public foot paths and fields to use..." nicci247 26-Jul-2009 21:58
I'm sorry nicci but we don't have the fields and footpaths to ride on. Horses aren't allowed on designated footpaths because it's dangerous for the walkers and we can only ride in a field if a) a bridleway or green lane runs through it, or b) the farmer allows us to, Alot of green lanes (open to all traffic I think but not sure - I know it's open to horses, pedal bikes etc) are so chewed up by motorbikes and quads (whether legal or not) that they become impassable. Most bridleways, near me anyway, start and end on a road, mainly because the road was built after the bridleway was established, therefore you have to ride a part of the way on the road to get there. In general, riders don't want to do as they please on the roads at all, they want to get from A to B safely to enjoy a ride on a designated bridleway or green lane. Another point is that some bridleways are also 'hotspots' for trouble, for example they are hard for police to access and are used by gangs of teenagers drinking etc. While I don't tend to ride at those times the broken glass and beer cans they leave behind can be very dangerous for a horse and rider. I agree that where it's practical, a rider should be responsible for their horses waste, but that could pose a greater danger to all concerned on the road. A rider that is picking up and moving the waste cannot have full control of the horse at the road side as well, not to mention the hazard it would cause to motorists and road users passing. That may be the reason nicci, that it is more dangerous for a rider to dismount at the road side and proceed to clear the waste while maintaining full control of the horse (even the best behaved will go for a nibble of grass if they think you are looking the other way!) and then re-mount and continue, rather than what is left behind.
And for the record, I think "!"£$%^&*()" probably has lost the plot a little!
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Erm, I think someone ( !"£$%^&*() ) has lost the plot.
This is a gripe site on the subject of horses, and I mearly asked a question.And I know you would complain if I allowed my dogs to s**t where you walk, and not clean it up.I want to know why a horse owner doesn't have to clean up after it's pet, and I do. You horse owners have all the public foot paths and fields to use...and you want to do as you please on the roads aswell !
I presume you would have no objections if I were to use the public foot paths and fields next to your property to take a short cut in my car to the next village ?
26th Jul 09 09:07

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A car spilled it's oil near me today, a few other cars skidded slightly, no great damage done but it was a bit of a hazard, so the fire service were called to clean it up. Why wasn't that driver made to clean it up? If you lot insist that horses mess should be cleared up because it presents a hazard then other potential hazards such as this should be cleaned up by the perpetrator, which includes motorists who think they own the damn road!
26th Jul 09 06:07

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nicci247

Question; if dog owners are called irresponsible for not cleaning up after their dogs, why is it that horse owners dont have to live by that law also ?
I have never seen the police clean up after their horses after a football match ect!
26th Jul 09 03:07

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Horse manure on the road is not a big deal. As a responsible biker you should be watching the road. Would you expect people to pick up gravel or small twigs on the road in front of their homes that your bike may just happen to stumble upon? At least horse manure washes away and is very biodegradable. If you wanted to avoid the poop, then don't ride by polo clubs. It's a very simple resolution to an insignificant problem.
24th Jul 09 12:07

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Nikki

No of course not Jae, but when people make nasty sarcastic remarks such as Happy Hunting, and talking about turning horses into corned beef, in a pathetic attempt to upset horse owners, then they must expect a bit of flak back.

Most horse riders are ANTI hunting, and most horse riders are made of far sterner stuff than to get all fluffy about stupid people talking about corned beef ... a ridiculous statement in any case, considering that corned beef is made from bovines not equines.
3rd Jul 09 09:07

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Jae

I agree that this manure should be picked up, irrelivent of road tax. Lets have some respect for other road users. I Know if I drop something from my vehicle I will instantly clean it up.

Being illiterate or bad at spelling shouldnt stop a comment from being made should it?
26th Jun 09 11:06

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Nikki

Pity you are virtually so illiterate that you cannot spell, Paul.

"nackeryard" is actually spelt with a "k" - as in knacker yard. Punctuation would not go amiss either. The lack of fullstops and the grammatical errors make your otherwise extremely intelligent and interesting post very hard to read and understand.
4th Jun 09 10:06

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If motor cars and bikes are not taxed thay end up in the crusher if horses are not taxed turn them in to corned beef if you car is over ten years old and you see a untaxed horse on the public highway run it over! and phone the nearest car dealers and get two grand trade in also phone the local nackeryard and get anouther 60 quid HAPPY HUNTING! Lots of love paul
2nd Jun 09 03:06

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Nikki

Gandalf:

I think the following may help to answer your question :-

"Internal parasites have adapted themselves to the internal environment of their host animal and have become host-specific. Horse parasites can only exist in horses, this means that cross grazing with either cattle or sheep can actually assist to reduce the worm burden on your pasture. Although Cattle and Sheep are also affected by worms, those which affect horses do not affect cattle or sheep and if ingested can not mature, thereby breaking the life cycle. This can be a useful factor when considering parasite control."

Humans are not at risk at all from parasitic infection from horse poo. And I think you would find that we would need to carry more than a pooper scooper to clear droppings away ! A shovel would be required, and it is neither safe nor possible to carry a shovel whilst riding. In addition, it is illegal to dismount on or beside the public highway, so we cannot "poo pick" as we ride along.

By the time we have finished our ride, and gone back to the site, doubtless the offending material will have been squashed into the tarmac, where it will be shortly be washed away by the next rain shower.
16th May 09 11:05

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As horse poop carry parasites that are transferable to humans, should they also carry a pooper scooper to clear their muck away? In the same way dog owners have to.
15th May 09 05:05

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Nikki

Thank you Tim, well said.

Your advice is sound, but how many bikers observe that rule? And then when they come a cropper, it is invariably anybody else's fault but their's !
14th May 09 06:05

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So you are riding through an area where you know there is likely to be horse manure on the road...and yet despite it being quite obvious to see you still don't have the ability to ride around it?

Remember - you should always ride at a speed where you can stop in the distance you can see to be clear.
14th May 09 04:05

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"I don't think either of you should be allowed on the road without paying road tax! Bikers and horse riders, as a rule, both have huge chips on their shoulders." Carman 22-Apr-2009 10:38

I don't have a chip on my shoulder at all, thankyou. It's not just horses that are at risk either, as a measure to fitten up a little I have taken to walking to the yard where I keep my horse, when time allows. I wear a flourescent jacket as I walk down the quiet country lane. I think a neon sign may be better though because at least twice every trip I have to dive into the hedge to avoid an idiot going too fast (and I walk on the verge where I can and tucked right in where I can't), following another such incident today I walked further on only to see the offending car buried in the hedge after losing control on a bend and facing a car coming in the other direction. Thank goodness I met him where I did, otherwise I would be toast!
10th May 09 07:05

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Nikki

No chips on my shoulders mate.

And I am more than happy to pay road tax for my horse, were I to go on the road. I don't any more, I am one of the few lucky enough to have access to miles of set-aside straight from their stable yard ! Most riders don't have that luxury.
23rd Apr 09 06:04

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I don't think either of you should be allowed on the road without paying road tax! Bikers and horse riders, as a rule, both have huge chips on their shoulders. If your friends car was able to be hit with a whip, to cause damage, she must have been too close to the horse or they use bloomin big whips round your area! I've had bikers deliberately put themselves in danger because they "think" I am doing something wrong, who would get the blame if I knocked them off???
22nd Apr 09 10:04

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Lynnie : I wholeheartedly agree with what you say. My friend and I's horses were both killed by a speeding motorcyclist - speed of impact was 70 mph. You can imagine the damage that did to our horses.

The motorcyclist has never shown a shred of remorse. In fact, he blamed us for the accident, when it was 100% his fault. The police wanted to prosecute him, but the CPS said no, he had been punished enough. He is now paralysed.

I wonder whether he thinks it was worth it.
13th Apr 09 10:04

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Round od applause for Lynnie, perhaps if we all showed a little more respect to others there would be less accidents on the roads!
11th Apr 09 08:04

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I think you should get your head from out of your backside!! As the owner of a horse who is terrified of motorbikes I am shaking my head from reading your comments. You do not own the road, nor do you have the say in who uses it. I keep my horse in a sleepy Somerset village that is terrorised by motorbikes as soon as the sun comes out, they come up behind you and see that there is an issue with the horse, yet still continue to crawl along causing mayhem instead of switching off and waiting. If you ride your motorbikes around the countryside then you are going to come into contact with horses and hopefully not sat on your fuel tank. Not everyone wants to go at the speed of sound around our beautiful lanes, I respect your sport when I am driving, now respect mine!!
11th Apr 09 04:04

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Oh my God..... get a LIFE guys !?! great big fairies worrying about a bit of a herbivore turd....my advice firstly 1. Slow down. secondly 2. slow down. thirdly 3. Slow the hell down!!!
4th Apr 09 06:04

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Ria, please read the comments on the "Horses have a right to be on the road too!" gripe before starting it all off on this one! All your points have already been made and answered.

I don't intend this as a critcism of you, I just don't want to start all the horse haters off again!!
30th Mar 09 02:03

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I don't have a huge problem with horseriders.....although, I do feel roads should be for cars? And buses, and motorbikes and the rest. Surely horses dont really LIKE being on the road with blaring cars going by? Shouldnt horses be in fields and lanes and bridle paths? Not having a dig but it just makes more sense to me. Cars dont go driving in your fields and down your bridlepaths do they?

As for the poo....Its not the horse riders responsibility to pick it up. But this is only because the law regarding that was written a very very long time ago probably when it was the only means of travel! I dont know.

I think maybe in certain circumstances riders should clean up after themselves. Granted...horses poo quite a lot but it wouldnt do harm to pick up occaisionally in certain situations.

For example, I lived on a very nice little residential road, that led to nowhere. I have no idea why someone wanted to ride a horse down there.....but fine.....but my dig it.....why did you let them poo on my driveway??????!?!?!?!??!

It wouldnt have been SUCH a problem....until my husband drove through it smeared it all over the driveway and grass and then the toddler went in it and smeared it up my stairs and floors.....

Not very nice really is it? I dont let my dog poo on your drive......

Yes, horse poo might not be "harmful". But I still dont want my children playing in it. It still contains bacteria and its still dirty! just because it wont make them blind doesnt make it ok!

I dont live in the country by the way. I live in a town. I dont agree with horses being on main roads. Its not nice for them!
30th Mar 09 02:03

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Big Faerie : you are indeed a very lucky person to be always able to ride off road. Most riders do not have this privilege.

A pile of horse dung is pretty easy to see - you must have been going about 60 mph on your push bike not to be able to see what lay ahead !! I too am a bike rider, and have never had a problem with avoiding dog or horse poo on my bike. It is easily visible, not sure what your gripe is. In country lanes, you are going to experience all sorts of "country" hazards - horse poo, cow poo (now THAT could be described as a hazard - a herd of cows being moved from field to field can cause a lane to be awash with the stuff, but hey, this is the country, if you don't like it, go back to the town), mud dropped by tractors and combine harvesters. It is the country, not the town.
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I agree horse poo is harmless but it doesn't just affect motor bike riders it also affects drivers and cyclists. Many a time I've had to swerve around horse dung whilst on my push bike and have nearly been hit by cars. Its not a laughing matter. My children have to ride their bikes on country lanes too. I am an ex horse rider myself and I just think it pure laziness not cleaning up after your horse. I always rode my horse off road as not to cause a hazzard to other road users. This is the year 2009 horses are not needed for transport anymore they are just for pleasure like a push bike or motor bike.
8th Mar 09 11:03

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If you read back through the thousands of posts on this subject you will get the answer to your question Owen !

However, in a nutshell, to save you the bother, horse poo is harmless (horses are herbivores, dogs are carnivores) therefore horse riders are not legally obliged to pooh pick. For more information than that, you will just have to wade back through all the posts I'm afraid !
8th Mar 09 10:03

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I want to know why dog owners are forbidden (even fined) for leting their dogs poo on the road, (rightly so), yet when a horse dumps it load on the tarmac, everyone is meant to turn a blind eye? It is absoultely disgusting!
8th Mar 09 06:03

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Bryan, there are many hazardous obstacles that all road users have to deal with every single day of their motoring lives. Potholes, oil spills, black ice, cow muck, horse muck, gravel, etc. etc. It is up to every driver to drive at a speed such that when he is presented out of the blue with a hazard, he can handle the situation and avoid trouble.

Horse riders cannot pooh pick as they ride along. 1) it is illegal to dismount on or beside a public road 2) riders are not always aware when their animals have "been" 3) especially in the case of large horses, unless you are very tall it is very difficult to mount a large horse without a leg up or a mounting block, so having dismounted to clear away the pooh, many riders would not be able to remount, bearing in mind point 1). Agreed, they can go back after their ride and clear up, assuming 1) they can remember where dobbin went and 2) it is safe to stop, but this could be 3 hours or more later. By this time, the pooh will have probably been squashed down and will be impossible to clear up in any case.
8th Mar 09 01:03

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Horse crap on the road is a hazzard, doesn't matter how you try and dress it up. I'm not saying horses shouldn't be allowed on the road - but if they are ridden on the road then you should be cleaning up after them. It's all very well to say slow down and avoid it - are you saying you've never stood in dog crap ? And if you have, what speed were you doing at the time ?.... It's all about respect for all road users. I leave room for horses on the road and treat them with respect - I would really appreciate it if riders extended the same courtesy to me and considered my life to be worth something as well, and protected my saftey by cleaning up after their animal. Cheers.
8th Mar 09 12:03

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Nikki

Quite, murdering swines !!

So much fuss about a bit of horse poo, great big fairies.
13th Feb 09 04:02

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nother one of those stuck up

How about you bikers just slowing down and then you could avoid the poo, instead of treating every road like a racetrack!
13th Feb 09 04:02

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Nikki

mikey : see my posting on the other thread "Horses have a right to be on the road too"
25th Jan 09 03:01

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this harmless poo cost me my leg when I went through it. if your going to ride on the road it should be cleaned up with a bag in the same way dog owners do. just use a bigger heavy duty bag. im an ex bike and horse rider so im not talking rubbish
25th Jan 09 12:01

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Nikki

I don't whinge about unimportant, harmless things.

I think you should change your name ... else you would be sued under the Trade Descriptions Act.
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Intelligent criticism

"There is a whole shedload of atrocities being carried out all over the world ... and these sad gits have nothing better to do than whinge about a bit of harmless horse pooh."

That's rich coming from somone who has posted on this site 1218 times...
14th Dec 08 01:12

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Exactly Kay ! There is a whole shedload of atrocities being carried out all over the world ... and these sad gits have nothing better to do than whinge about a bit of harmless horse pooh.
8th Dec 08 08:12

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kay

have people nowt better to do than crib about horse manure
6th Dec 08 08:12

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Nikki

Thanks ... it seems to have shut him up though thank goodness. Intelligent criticism is always welcomed as it promotes a good debate, but mere childish and spiteful abuse only serves to highlight the huge difference between this person's intelligence and my own.
6th Dec 08 05:12

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MikeyA

Good reply Nikki - I don't understand why people keep raising this point!

Ah well, if people like to moan ......
6th Dec 08 05:12

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Nikki

Seemingly, that has shut the little troll up

Jolly good
8th Nov 08 08:11

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Nikki

Serial poster : you know my innermost darkest secret, I've been rumbled !

However, I don't smoke, it's bad for you.
29th Oct 08 05:10

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serial posters bore me...

Nikki also bathes in the stuff it is so lovely. 1204 posts later, i'd say she probably smokes the stuff too....
28th Oct 08 10:10

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Lee, there is a host of difference between dog faeces and horse faeces. Horses are herbivores, they eat grass. Dogs are carnivores, they eat meat. Dog faeces does not wash away when it rains, and carries parasites that can be harmful to humans. Horse faeces does wash away when it rains, and carries parasites that are not harmful to humans. In addition, horse faeces is a wonderful fertiliser for your garden, dog faeces is not. I suggest you scoop up the horse faeces outside your house and put it on your roses, and pat yourself on the back for saving money AND being green.

Horses do absolutely no harm to the roads whatsoever, unlike cars, lorries etc. Would you like to tell us in your opinion what harm horses do to roads? This is why horse riders do not pay road tax. I am with you all the way on insurance - it should be mandatory for horse riders to have to pay for at least 3rd party liability, and it isn't. This is insane.

If you no longer slow down when passing horses, then you are not only committing a traffic offence, you are putting YOUR life at risk. Hit a horse, and you will come off as badly as the horse, if not worse. In addition, you may well find yourself facing a manslaughter charge. Believe me, I know what I am talking about.
28th Oct 08 08:10

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I'm on your side with this who ever you are. I live in a dead end road with farm land all around me and a farm at the end of my lane. If I walk my dog on the farm land I'm told to pick up the dog mess, there are signs everywhere telling me to do as. So why is it ok for them to trot down the street, making me give way or slow down so they can mess right outside my house and then walk off leaving it there??
They pay no insurance, no tax and do more harm in one year to the roads then my car or bike does in 10 years.
I am so sick of this I no longer slow down, no longer give way. If they want rights like we do, start paying for it and clean up there mess where ever they go.
28th Oct 08 06:10

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Nikki

I had heard of chav, but not Smidsy, thanks Ali for the translation.

Still don't understand the posting by Ral, must be my age !! (sigh!!)
19th Oct 08 07:10

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Hi, SMIDSY - means Sorry Mate I Didn't See You.
Chav - is a mainly derogatory term in the united kingdom for a person whose lifestyle, branded casual clothing speech and or mannerisms are perceived to be common and vulgar, chav is often used as a stereotype to refer to poorly educated, aggressive youths, but yough and aggression are not the defining attributes of 'chav'. - Wikipedia Encyclopedia
16th Oct 08 06:10

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Nikki

Can you speak english ...

what on earth is a smidsys !!
7th Oct 08 07:10

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Ral

Horse manure on the road? I think they call them smidsys or chavs in hot hatches round our way
7th Oct 08 03:10

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Another great posting Lou. Its a very interesting point you make about canal towpaths as well, I hadn't thought of that. My daughter used to ride her dartmoor along the local canal towpaths - one day, they came across a lovely Japanese man frying up some sausages on the bank beside his barge. He had some already cooked on a plate beside the stove. The pony casually dropped her head as my daughter rode past and picked up one of the sausages and ate it !! My daughter said that the expression on the poor man's face was so funny, but he did burst out laughing apparently and dashed to get his camera !!

I always used to say when people on this site would accuse me of being rich "I wish ! " All the people I know who have horses are poor as church mice, mainly because all of their hard earned cash is poured into their nags !!
10th Jul 08 04:07

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lou

Firstly, there's not that much horse muck on the roads....far greater hazards are caused by muck from tractors or diesel from lorries (especially for bikers...and I know because I'm one of those too!). And horse poo isn't poisonous and on the pavement.

Secondly, most riders don't WANT to ride on the road but bridleways are becoming scarce so we have little choice and mainly use them to get to the bridleways. There are miles and miles of canals in this country but most of it is footpath only which makes no sense given the origins of these paths themselves....

Thirdly, not all riders are arrogant and stuck up. There seems to be a misconception that to won a horse you need to be rich and so must be stuck up. Not true. They are expensive to keep but it depends what you do with them and you don't need to be rich you just need to be good at managing your money and be very very committed to having a horse. Most riders are normal people with normal jobs (amongst my horsey friends I have hairdressers, fitness instructors, admin workers, lecturers, the list goes on).

Finally, I have insurance both for my horse and myself and I am a member of the BHS who work on improving access for horses. I also pay into the local economy by buying horse feed, tack, attending local events, etc. And not forgetting that I need a car to carry the stuff about that my horse needs so I pay road tax there (in fact, I use the train for work so I pay bike and car tax in order to keep my horse!!).
10th Jul 08 02:07

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Nikki

I hit a pile of fresh and rather sloppy horse poo whilst out on my mountain bike the other day. I was going at a fair lick down hill, round a bend, and there it was, too late to avoid it, so I had to blast through it. Unpleasant, but not dangerous, nothing happened, the bike just continued on its downward journey.

So the originator of this thread is talking a load of horses poo poo in my opinion and grossly exaggerating ! Either that, or he is totally without skill ... in which case, he shouldn't be on the road.
8th Jul 08 04:07

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MikeP

I don't like horses much, nor the type of people who ride them. In the interest of fairness though, a few pounds of horse crap, which is only half digested grassy material, is a lot less harmful than the poisonous fumes emitted by our cars, 'planes, cigarettes, and our own excrement. I'd rather dodge piles of horse crap than breathe in exhaust gases.
4th Jul 08 09:07

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Anita

I am absolutely astounded by the comments on this web page regarding horses 'fouling' on the roads and that horse riders should carry a shovel. What planet is this person on. I ride my horse on the road and ensure that I am curtious to all other road users. We don't make the law, governent does, and if we dont need tax, moan at the right people! Just remember horses were here before cars, bikes etc. My husband rides a Harley and has not problem, perhaps you should take advanced riding skills and you are clearly having trouble steering around horse crap!
4th Jul 08 09:07

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Helen

Ha it is impossible to carry ashovel on your sadle oh dear and lets just go back back back in time and relise what helped us on the farms and the general day to day lives of human beings......... OH hang on a minute it was horses they were hear many years before your bloody Harley davisons and Hondas.
A horse might have a mind of its own yes but if it is a well schooled one a very clever mind of its own where you are for ever hearing of these motorbikes with minds of their own in accidents etc.
If you don't like it and your liccle bike can't stand it then buy a car or something that a little tiny bit of horsie poo won't hurt!
13th Jun 08 09:06

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Nikki

I'll never lose either Freddie ! We could go on arguing until the cows come home. HL is a prat and as Digsy rightly says, isn't worth the finger strain !

I am more than happy to have a good robust argument with someone who knows what they are talking about, but when they just make idiotic remarks for the sake of it, then I won't bother responding.
7th May 08 06:05

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Digsy

I've said that before fredders! Leave well alone I say, HL isn't worth the finger strain.
7th May 08 09:05

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Freddie

I'm well Nikki, and you? I would leave the idiots to argue this one now and not bother responding if I were you. You'll never win (a bit like my attempts to get people to lay off the police).
7th May 08 08:05

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Nikki

Hi Freddie, how are you?

The argument continues !!
6th May 08 08:05

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freddie

Oh dear...is this still going on? I'd have thought this has been covered from every conceivable direction by now!
6th May 08 02:05

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astrid

Hellooo...........Mr Push Biker.

You pay road tax for your push bike do you?
If you live in the country there will be muck on the road, what do you expect? If you don't like it, move.........
Horse manure is biodegradable, and, unlike dog manure does not carry any transmittable diseases.
On the same subject, when you pass a horse do you give an audible warning? Please do. Horses startle, when they startle they leap sideways, when they leap sideways they may jump on you, upwards of half a tone of horse landing on you is not a pleasant experience.

Think on please, a little consideration, from all parties goes a long way. I am still not shovelling up my horse muck though.

But then.........I live 3500 miles away from you.
6th May 08 02:05

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Nikki

Good posting Empty Head !

We have just had 1200 tonnes of human sewage sludge dumped right next to the bridleway about 150 metres from our house and the village. Now THAT is cause for complaint, and is a definite health hazard from stapphyloccus aureus, tapeworm, e-coli etc. etc., not to mention the flies and terrible smell that will pervade the village at harvest when they spread the sludge on the fields !
3rd May 08 11:05

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Nikki

Well, I'll repeat those words if you like. You are making a lot of fuss about nothing. Can't you find something serious to moan about that IS harmful? If you had said that a dog had dumped a pile 2 yards from your front doorstep, I would be more sympathetic.

Get a shovel, scoop it up and put it on your garden, like any sensible person, and pat yourself on the back for being environmentally friendly and recycling waste.
3rd May 08 11:05

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full head

That' s easy for you to say 'empty head'; I'd like to hear you repeat those words when yout local horsey drops its filth less than 2 yards from your front doorstep. A lovely sight at 6.30 am.
2nd May 08 11:05

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horses have an ancient right of way over all other types of transport, suggest you scoop it up for your garden. Most riders do have liability insurance but if not, you would have to claim damages in a civil court. I have enjoyed riding bikes,motorbikes and horses but some people just like to whinge at anything and everything. Horse muck is just digested grass or hay and no diff from slippery leaves and other hazards like oil and nails etc you find on any road.
2nd May 08 09:05

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Nikki

A simple thank you would have been nice !

Huh !!
1st May 08 11:05

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Nikki

Exactly xs, you would have to claim on your own insurance and lose your No Claims Bonus. This is why I believe it should be the law for EVERY rider to have 3rd party liability insurance before they ride out on their horse.

Don't shoot the messenger, I am just telling you as it is !!
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xs

Hmm is the question to hard to answer or is it just being ignored?
24th Apr 08 07:04

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xs

What would happen if I were riding a motorbike or driving a car and a horse bolted and damaged my vehicle, and the rider of the horse was not insured then who would I claim against for the repairs
24th Apr 08 07:04

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Nikki

No, they don't xs from a legal point of view, but IMO you would be mad to ride a horse ANYWHERE without 3rd party liability insurance. If you join the BHS as a Gold Member, included in your membership fee which is around £50 or £60 per annum, is £10m public liability ... or it may be 20, can't remember, but I know it is a large sum !
24th Apr 08 07:04

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xs

Can someone let me know if a horse needs to be insured if travelling on a public highway
24th Apr 08 06:04

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Nikki

Seems reasonable to me that a well behaved dog should be allowed on a bus. They are after all allowed on trains.

But as I never travel by bus, I really don't know.
21st Apr 08 05:04

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Irish

Ed, just had to say that made me laugh! And also wanted to ask, if that rule is true, do you think it would apply to my 10 stone rottweiler?! Not that I would take him on a bus, I have a car, even if I didnt why people want to take their dog on a bus, I dont know! Anyway, I'm not too convinced that bus driver's would happily let my dog on their bus, being the breed he is and his sheer size! But if I ever needed to get on the bus with my boy, say if my car broke down or something, do they have to let me on or is it at their discretion? Just something I wanted to know in the boredom of my day! Maybe I should ask Nikki................
21st Apr 08 02:04

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John,
I don't know what buses have to do with horse crap on the road.

But as for you question, bus drivers are only allowed ONE dog on board per passenger.
17th Apr 08 04:04

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I think bus drivers are being a pain for the hell of it reson being I have got two dogs and when I want to get on the bus they say no I have looked and looked but there is no law saying that dogs are not allowed on the buses
16th Apr 08 01:04

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1057

...thats rich coming from someone who had posted on this site 1060 times!
14th Apr 08 01:04

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Nikki

Well said Irish !!

It is unbelievable isn't it that anyone would be pathetic enough to complain about a pile of horse poo on the road. Some people just need to get a life !
14th Apr 08 01:04

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Erm am I missing the point here or something??! What the hell is the problem with horse poo on the roads?! It doesnt affect the environment in a bad way, its actually good for it. Oh I just read the whole story...it's from a motorbike rider....well you people I'm afraid, or the majority of you think that you own the road...how fast were you going round that corner? obviously too fast if you cant avoid a bit of poop. What makes you think you have more rights to be on the road than the horse? Back in the day people this was most peoples' mode of transport. So why now that we have cars etc do the horses have to be shunted to back of the line when it comes to the roads? At the end of the day it's a bloody ridiculous thing to be complaining about...horse manure on the road? go get a life you pathetic man and and while your at it, learn how to ride your bike, as most bikers are clueless! Oh and another thing try and make your engine less noisey, yeah?!
14th Apr 08 11:04

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Nikki

HL: I bored with arguing with you. Ed, you don't know me, you nothing about me. Unfortunately, in the 54 years I have been on this planet, I have had a lot of what might be described as "life experiences". If I appear as a know-all, I apologise, I can assure you that I am not. But a lot of the gripes that I have posted on on this site : the dog, horse, child and speeding ones in particular, I do know what I am talking about and I do have a lot of personal knowledge of, for example, learning difficulties in children, ADHD, the consequences of speeding on the road etc. etc.

I can assure you I am no "type". Just a bruised and battered middle aged woman who has probably received more than her fair share of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
4th Mar 08 11:03

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Ed

HL,

We know, she just THINKS she does.

No matter what the gripe is about, Nikki is there at the forefront, giving it the,I've been there, I've done that, I know everything, Oh did I tell you about my accident.

You know the type.
4th Mar 08 03:03

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HL

Dear All - please be advised that Nikki does not represent the majority of horse riders opinions.
3rd Mar 08 04:03

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Nikki

Dear All intelligent people reading this thread:

please be advised that I, Nikki, do very definitely represent the majority of horse riders' opinions. I have been riding since I was 14 years of age, ie for 40 years. I have never ever met any horse riders, and you will appreciate I know hundreds, who do not share the same views as I on the subject of riding on the road, manure on the road, issues of safety etc.

Sadly, some of the horsey threads on this site have been hijacked by troll/s in a pathetic attempt to stir up trouble. They think it funny of course to pretend to be "a horse rider" who disagrees with the serious messages of safety that I and others are trying to convey. It is not funny, 12 riders and their horses get injured, seriously injured or even killed every single day on the roads of GB. If anyone thinks this funny, then let me know and I will show you photographs of what happened to my and my friend's horses when we were struck by a speeding motorcyclist on a country lane.
3rd Mar 08 10:03

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Digsy

Oh for goodness sake you cheesehead,nobody's that flippin interested.
2nd Mar 08 08:03

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Dear All - please be advised that Nikki does not represent the majority of horse riders opinions.
2nd Mar 08 12:03

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Hi Lily: welcome to the fray ! Hi MikeP: please try to be a little more understanding. Horse riders frequently have to "hog" the road whilst training youngsters ... eg, an older, more sensible horse will ride on the right hand side of the young, inexperienced horse to protect it from the traffic. This also helps to make the horses more visible, and also ensures that the traffic is forced to slow down. The rider on the older horse can then direct traffic past when safe. This is for the protection of the traffic as well as for the horses and riders.

Having myself been hit by a speeding motorcyclist whilst out on my horse, if I were to ever ride on the road again, I most certainly would adopt a very defensive stance, ensuring the safety of all. If that means that you get held up for a few seconds longer than you may deem to be necessary, I apologise, but you cannot imagine how scarey it can be whilst riding horses on the road. Regrettably, we have to in order to reach what precious few bridleways we have in this country.

Cyclists obviously don't fit the above at all ... I can't speak for them because I am strictly an off-road mountain biker now, wild horses wouldn't persuade me to ride a bike on the road!
1st Mar 08 01:03

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The majority of horse, and bicycle, riders are ordinary people who appreciate that they have to share the roads with others whose objectives may not be the same as theirs. They behave responsibly and with consideration.

Sadly there is a small but highly visible minority of horse and bicycle riders who are arrogant selfish devils and hog the roads, oblivious to the irritation and frustration they cause.

I always seem to get stuck behind the latter sort!
29th Feb 08 06:02

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May I point out that the majority of horse riders are not 'stuck up snobs'; we are ordinary people who are often making financial sacrifice elsewhere in order to fulfil a passion that is irreplaceable to us. Whenever I ride out on the road I make a conscious effort to be courteous and show consideration to other road users. I teach my clients to do the same. Thankfully most cyclists we encounter return the same respect. It is inevitable that there will be exceptions to the rule on both sides.
You point out that they do not pay tax...niether do cyclists, I believe. Responsible riders are insured to ride on the road...are cyclists? The example of the rider hitting a car with her whip is not all that surprising really if she thought she and her horse were about to be crushed to death under your friend's car. Riding on the road is a risk that most riders would not wish to take given certain road users actions, but it is often the only way to reach safe off-road hacking to exercise their horse. The absence of bridlepaths in Scotland compounds this.
Your suggestion of carrying a shovel is completely impractical, although I have gone on foot to clear droppings off a local path before. On rides further afield this is not possible and it would be more dangerous to try to stop - particularly with a horse - and clear droppings off a road - and then what do you suggest we do with the 'crap'? A horse may stale several times on a single ride, it would require a wheelbarrow to uplift!
As you cycle along the road in future, please consider this: the road you are on was probably originally constructed with the help of horses, for the use of horses. Many years on, you are effectively signing their death sentence by demanding all horses off the road (because as long as they are on the road there will always be poo.)
29th Feb 08 06:02

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DEVILDUNG,

yes she's still at it. All over the weeklygripe forums.She must have nothing else better to do, than sit in front of the PC, waiting to pounce. Sad really.
15th Feb 08 02:02

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DEVILDUNG

Hello Nikki ya still at it then, dont you get fed up going round in circles. Keep at it.
14th Feb 08 06:02

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Nikki

Ride at own risk: there is absolutely no excuse for this display of appallingly bad manners, and on behalf of the horse riding community I would like to apologise to you.

Riding two abreast is a bit of a hot chestnut. Riders tend to do this because it is safer. All well and good, but when you have slowed that traffic down, you must then be totally effusive and grateful in your thanks to the traffic that you have inconvenienced. Unfortunately, as you have found, there are sadly a few riders who have no manners whatsoever. May I suggest that next time you tell them to go take some lessons at the local riding school, where they will be drilled in the etiquette of riding on the road.
26th Jan 08 09:01

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"Jules"

I've spent countless times sat crawling in my car, behind horses in countrylanes unable to overtake due to oncoming traffic and the fact the horse riders are riding side by side!! So it isn't "enjoyable for most".

You drive past exceptionally slowley and have no thanks off the people you have just sat behind for several minutes.

I live in a village that has had horses/ riding for decades, farm machinery traveling as fast as I walk and I am a very patient person. You complain about vehicle drivers wrecking horse riding?...Maybe if horse riders were to show slightly more than "no" consideration, then maybe we wouldn't be as ignorent/impatient.
24th Jan 08 09:01

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Nikki

Booie:

do you get off your horse though when he defecates whilst your riding him, pull out your shovel which you have conveniently about your person, shovel it up in a bin bag, remount, along with said shovel and bin bag, and carry on with your ride, all nice and safe in one piece?

No, of course you don't, and I bet you don't go back and pick it up either. I think you will find this is why a few people on here have told the originator of this Gripe to get a life, me included.

I ride motor bikes too, or at least I did do, off road though ... far too dangerous to ride a bike on the road ! I am glad that you are such a thoughtful biker, because motorbikes and horses sure don't mix, as I found out to my cost.
22nd Jan 08 02:01

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Booie

just to clarify,
Drain covers, White lines, painted roundabouts : Slippery in wet.
Horse Poo, Cow Poo, Poo in general : Slippery while fresh.
22nd Jan 08 10:01

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Booie

I really have to say, you lot telling this biker to get a life, need to...well.... get a life, the smell of your horses poo have made you all doo lally,
Its not about the poo being smelly, or disgusting, or how it is 'bio degradable' its a hazard that is incredibly slippery.
Now I'm a country girl, I have riden horses since I was walking, and I'm also a ....... BIKER...... (get the gun gert, she got funny eyes) And horse poo is a 'challenge' for us, along with drain covers, and other motorists, push bikes, white lines, etc, and not all of us speed round corners, but thanks for tarring me with some 'speed freaks' brush
So 'amusedbypeoplewhowantomoanaboutinsignificantthings' I urge you to take your face for a sh!te, because I think you have far too much poo building up in that patronising old head of yours.
22nd Jan 08 09:01

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Nikki

Well, I'm a horse rider and anti-hunting. There are plenty of us, I can assure you, animal lover. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is probably about 50:50, but it could be as low (or high, depending on your viewpoint) as 60:40.

Horse faeces is totally harmless, which is why we do not have to poo pick. On the road, it rapidly breaks down in wet weather and is dispersed. On the grass, likewise, but here of course it provides nutrients to the plants.

Go to London - there you will see the roads swimming in the stuff after the Household Cavalry or Ma'am has passed by. Can't really see the Queen with a massive sack and a shovel, can you?
8th Jan 08 08:01

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Jules: well said - you are saying nothing that I haven't said myself on here many times before. The words "banging" and "brick wall" spring to mind. I am at a loss to understand why people find it so difficult to just follow the highway code - like it or not, the highway code is the prescription for the rules of the road and ALL road users have to follow it. It may be hard for some people in these modern times to understand how horses can be allowed to traverse our roads, but allowed they are and that's an end to it. I would say that any rider who does not have at least third party insurance is an idiot, and I would also say that it should be definitely mandatory for a rider to have such insurance.

As to the subject of horse poo, it is quite ridiculous of course to compare horse with dog - dogs are omnivores, horses are herbivores. Anyone who does not understand the significance of that statement should do some studying.

And as you say, any driver who drove close enough to a horse for the rider to be able to strike his vehicle with a crop deserves quite frankly to be horse whipped.
17th Nov 07 08:11

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Horses were on the roads long before motorbikes and cars. Motorbikes and cars took a lot of the pleasure out of horse riding a long time ago, especially in areas where there is not much countryside to ride. If people choose to ride motorbikes then it is up to them to ride carefully particularly in the country when they know there are more hazards around. If they don't like it why do they choose to ride a motorbike in the first place??
The owner of the car who had damage done by a riding crop was totally irresponsible, if he was close enough to a horse to get hit by a crop then he was driving too close! Horses should be given a cars width when overtaking, the same a cycles! I suggest he reads his highway code (rules 163 and 215). Poor show on the police for not pointing this out to him and charging him!
Horse poo is nothing like dog poo! Horses are vegetarians and the dangers to people from their poo are nothing like those of dog poo! Horse poo decomposes very quickly that is if someone doesn't take it first for their garden. Ever heard of people picking up dog poo for their garden!
Although it is not compulsory for horse owners to have insurance, most responsible owners do have it. I personally would welcome paying road tax for my horse if I thought that other road users would give horses more respect on the roads as they should do!
I do find that true country people do respect horses when they come across them on the road, it is people who come in from the towns who don't. If they can't handle the way of life, why do they move to the country!
Why moan about somthing many people get great pleasure from, I personally would like to see all motorbikes banned, they are death traps but I wouldn't start a link saying so.
17th Nov 07 12:11

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I think the gentleman is weel within his rights to complain about poo on our roads.. here here! next I suggest we complain the birds singing in the tree's or the noise grass makes when it grows.... NOT!
27th Oct 07 11:10

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I urge the gentleman to kindly "get a life" if he has nothing better to do than to moan about a bit of harmless (to humans) poo on the road in the country. Regardless of how tight a bend is, if you're capable of going round a corner and hitting poo without being able to see and avoid it, then you're either not observant enough of the road and it's conditions (it's not like the poo is invisible, or anything close to), or you are travelling too fast for the particular bend you are failing to see the poo on (as many bikers appear to see as "their right")

Just how do you cause "extensive damage" to a metal object with a (predominantly nylon) riding whip anyway? Sounds like a load of old poo to me! (pun intended)
25th Oct 07 01:10

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I urge the gentleman to kindly "get a life" if he has nothing better to do than to moan about a bit of harmless (to humans) poo on the road in the country. Regardless of how tight a bend is, if you're capable of going round a corner and hitting poo without being able to see and avoid it, then you're either not observant enough of the road and it's conditions (it's not like the poo is invisible, or anything close to), or you are travelling too fast for the particular bend you are failing to see the poo on (as many bikers appear to see as "their right")

Just how do you cause "extensive damage" to a metal object with a (predominantly nylon) riding whip anyway? Sounds like a load of old poo to me! (pun intended)
24th Oct 07 10:10

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I urge the gentleman to kindly "get a life" if he has nothing better to do than to moan about a bit of harmless (to humans) poo on the road in the country. Regardless of how tight a bend is, if you're capable of going round a corner and hitting poo without being able to see and avoid it, then you're either not observant enough of the road and it's conditions (it's not like the poo is invisible, or anything close to), or you are travelling too fast for the particular bend you are failing to see the poo on (as many bikers appear to see as "their right")

Just how do you cause "extensive damage" to a metal object with a (predominantly nylon) riding whip anyway? Sounds like a load of old poo to me! (pun intended)
23rd Oct 07 02:10

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Anon

Nothing to say about this really but I noticed it had slipped down the 'most recent posts' list a little and it just doesn't seem right. Maybe if somebody comments then we can get it back up there where it belongs!
23rd Oct 07 08:10

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Jerry

It's not the horses fault that they don't know where the toilet is cause they havn't been taught to go in a toilet or are you gona go out and build one for them. If you were a horse you would do the same thing so you think about it from a horses point of view.
4th Oct 07 07:10

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Corey

Don't keep blaiming the horses when you forget to use the toilet!
3rd Oct 07 08:10

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Corey

Horses aren't the only one you know. You don't hear me complaining about your poo.
3rd Oct 07 08:10

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Nikki

Moffat: the point I was making is that the countryside is all about mud and poo, which is why I said if you don't like it, then don't go there. There is little point in complaining about horse poo on a country lane, or mud from Farmer Giles tractor, or indeed horse poo in London left by the Met police horses, the Household Cavalry, etc. etc.
28th Sep 07 07:09

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Well, poo is poo and it's a hazzard whatever shape, form texture, smell and origin. Mud usually has a tell-tale signature before you get to it my experience. I didn't say anything about not being able to stand the heat.

I thought I'd pointed out the obvious hazzard - the feckwit in the car. Actually I forgot to add the other sterotype. School run Jane, she's too busy yelling at the kids to be quiet, she's looking at the back seat and steering towards the other side of the road. Amusing to watch when following, scary to see coming towards you!
27th Sep 07 10:09

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Nikki

As an ex biker, both off and on road, there are many hazards not just horse poo, the worst probably being mud dropped by tractors and cow poo - these last two are far, far worse for the biker than horse poo.

Just deal with it, the countryside is full of poo and mud of various descriptions - if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
27th Sep 07 09:09

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Jay, I agree - particularly about the blind bend bit. I always approach them with caution and reduced speed, but sometimes even that isn't enough if there's a dollop of poo in the road. As a biker, we're always scouring the road surface anyway, diesel, petrol and oil spills being another nightmare we have to contend with. I guess the sloppy attitude to maintenance of vehicles is another gripe though. Poo is a hazard, fact of life and there are lots of them.

John, you're generalising about bikers. I could do the same. Most of the car drivers I see are too busy on the phone, arguing with the kids/wife/husband/motherinlaw (delete as appropriate). Then there are those kind souls that chuck their fag but out the window once they have had a smoke (nice)... straight in through your visor!

If they're not doing that they're having their breakfast or reading the paper (Yes.. I've seen it) and don't talk to me about bikers speeding. Riding down a road between two villages yesterday, speed limit 30mph (which I stuck to) and we have this knob right up my tail pipe in his sports car. I'm not going fast enough for him so he overtook on a bend on the wrong side of the road and nearly caused an accident with a van coming the other way.
27th Sep 07 10:09

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As a biker, I can tell you that horse poo on the road is not always to the side.

When there are junctions, there is often horse poo right in the middle of a junction, which makes some turns risky. You either have to ride into the poo while turning into a junction, or you have to go wide around it, or tight to the kerb.

One thing that horse riders are failing to understand here is horse poop is a nightmare to ride on with a motorcycle. As the poster said, worse than ice, and believe me it is. If you're going around a bend and ride into horse poop and your front wheel is not straight, the chance of coming off or losing control is very high.

I had the unpleasent job of having to pass some horse riders on the local road recently, and at a set of lights the horse pooped right in front of me at the side. Problem was as I was taking a left turn from the lights, I have to sacrifice my road positioning to let these silly horse riders take my spot.

Or worse yet, I have seen them move into the cycle lane at lights in front of traffic and poop right in front of me.

Another thing to remember that bikers generally react better than car drivers, and will most times avoid the poo on the road, but sometimes going around these sharp and blind bends in back roads, you have less than a second to react to multiple poo in the road. We're not talking about 1 little blob, we're talking about it spread out as the horse walks at the same time. However it spreads out, I don't really know, but sometimes taking in all the information of the different locations of poo on the road in 1 second then reacting is not possible.

There 3 second rule is in place to give reaction time, and that is actually around 1 second or so. You can't expect us bikers to react super fast in all situations.

As a biker, horse poo IS a dangerous hazard that should be avoided at all costs.
27th Sep 07 03:09

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john

most of the bikers I see travel down the middle of the road riding over the speed limit and carrying out dangerous overtaking. horses where on the roads well before bikes so show some consideration.
23rd Sep 07 04:09

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Most women who ride horses are nothing but a bunch of old FussNags, always complaining, always fussing, always thinking that their nagging will get them somewhere, but never does.

In reality what they are short of is essential hormones, which they are not gettinmg in their daily diet.

So pooh-pooh the FussNags and ignore what they have to say, unless you happen to be married to one, in which case I am very sorry, but life is full of tough turds.

Ask yourself what did the Mongols do with their horses' excrement.
16th Sep 07 11:09

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Nikki

Rod said:

I've seen horse crap last for a week,it doesn't disappear overnight.

Answer: oh yes it does Rod when it has been raining heavily.

Rod said:

After reading these posts again, have you noticed how 75% of the posters are WOMEN.

Of course most of the posters are women, most horse riders are women.

The rest of your post is obscene, rude, childish and sexist and therefore does not deserve comment.
16th Sep 07 08:09

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Rod

Brenna,

Now come on, don't think I'll fall for that scam do you, calling yourself Dave.
14th Sep 07 05:09

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Brenna

See Rod there are men out there who think this article is stupid! Thank you Dave! You made quite a few good points!
14th Sep 07 04:09

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1. Horses generally poo on the side of the of the road as that is where they are ridden
2. Horse poo do not contain harmful toxins like dog poo does and is not found on pavements
3. Riding whips are a maximum of 1.1m long, if your friend was this close to a horse then they were too close.
4. Horse riders do not pay tax as horses do not damage road surfaces and therefore are not required to contribute to the upkeep costs.
5. You will not find many riders who, given the choice, would ride their horses on a road. Unfortunately, there is often nowhere else to go. You however, have chosen to take that route to work even though, if you feel it is very dangerous for you to ride on, you could go another way.
6. Do you seriously think that riding with a shovel on our backs would be a safe and reasonable option? Just think about the safety aspect if someone fell off whilst wearing one! Much more dangerous than the odd pile of poo on the edge of the road!
14th Sep 07 03:09

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Brenna

ok so yes all the people fighting this gripe are women, but that does not mean that we are all stuck up! There are plenty of men out there who feel the exact way we do, so lets not get into the whole men vs women thing!
14th Sep 07 05:09

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Rod

Kirsty,

I've seen horse crap last for a week,it doesn't disappear overnight.

After reading these posts again, have you noticed how 75% of the posters are WOMEN.

That's why their so stuck up when on horse back, give them something big between their legs, and they think their gods gift.

Women and horse's, BAD combination.

Women, horse's and Children, PESTILENTIAL
13th Sep 07 04:09

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Jan

As a motorist you should never be going so fast that you can't deal with the unexpected round the next bend, haven't you read 'Roadcraft'? As a biker you should do
12th Sep 07 09:09

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C'mon! it's not as if we can prevent our horses poo-ing! I'm not too sure what horse poo your driving on as the majority of horse poo is not really slippy! Also given the fact that horse poo disintegrates after a day or so! So calm your jam mate
12th Sep 07 08:09

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You try carrying a great big shovel and bag (you need somewhere to put it!), get off at the side of a potentially dangerous road, shovel your poo while motorists carry on regardless, then get back on a 17.2 horse, shovel and bag of poo in tow! I would really love to see you try!!
The highway code allows horses on the roads but not motorists on the bridleway so you're congregation may have to wait a while.
Also I know a local farmer who doesn't mind horses on his land but do very much mind cyclists so maybe I should make a gripe about get cyclists off our countryside?! :/
12th Sep 07 07:09

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vicki

oh my god you sad individual.
first off remember that horses were here long before your bloody motorbike,
secondly how dare you brand all horse riders as stuck up b****s? if you are as rude as you seem is any wonder you get peoples backs up????
and thirdly, if your friend was close enough to get hit by a stick THEY WERE TOO CLOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
12th Sep 07 04:09

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I've read through a lot of the gripes on this page and have found a lot of it is moving towards personal insult than it is the sensible debate option. I think that there are extreme opposite views being offered here and I would like to try to find the middle ground.
I was watching a TV program last night about RSPCA recruits. A loose horse ran up a road and slid on some horse pooh causing it to hit another animal. Fortunately both were okay. So, Is it slippery and a possible hazard? Yes, without a doubt. The video evidence proved it.
A horse though, is not a motor vehicle. Would the same have happened had a car braked whilst going over it? With traction control and ABS I doubt it would. A motorcycle might be more at risk though! However, if driven properly it is most likely that a motorcyclist would see the hazard long before going over it. If not, then maybe they are going too fast! It would be fair to say that it would be harder for a motorcycle to see it at night because of the way their light works (it doesn't follow the road like a cars one).
All said and done, it would be more desirable if there was nothing on our roads causing a potential hazard to any road user (legitimate or otherwise). The fact is though that there will always be and as responsible people we should make allowances for it.
11th Sep 07 01:09

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quite frankly I cannot see how all forms of transport cannot live together in peace and harmony. A long time ago it would not have bene the odd horse poo on the road! Please remember that horse poo is a natural fertilizer and is good for the environment. perhaps you should start a local campaing to allow local nurseries etc to collect the poo from the road Free of charge to fertilize their products keeping everyone happy being good to the environment and our health. I come from a background of horseowners and motocylists and we all manage to get alng really well. I am fully insured when out on the road and have undertaken numerous road safety exams to allow me to be safe. I use high viz equipment and stay on the verge where-ever possible. I am mindful that not all horse owners do and this gives us a bad name, however, like those bikers, cyclists and car drivers it is the few not the majority that are irresposible. Re the police not being bothered, the rider SHOULD have been insured and they should have taken (if nothing else) action re breach of the peace this behaviour was completely unacceptable and if I was there I probably would have decked the rider took her horse off her and whipped her!!!!!!!! Please be fair we are not all like this and I am sorry that you have had a bad experience.
11th Sep 07 12:09

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Brenna

Eddie, Horses do not hog the road and do not crap in the middle, we stay to the edge so therefore horse poop is on the edge, unlike what you are saying about cars on bridle paths!!
1st Sep 07 03:09

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Nikki

Eddie: you are a sad, very sad, human being. I think you will find that most people have better things to do with their time.
31st Aug 07 10:08

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ANNA,

What a good idea you gave us. If horses are allowed on OUR roads, and dump their crap and get in our way on OUR busy roads. Then let us vehicle owners give them a taste of their own medicine.

Let's ALL congregate on their BRIDAL paths, dump ALL our slippery household waste, ( which is NOT harmful to the environment ) just turns into compost, but gets VERY slippery whilst doing so. Ride Two or more abreast on our PUSH bikes, or push our babies in prams two or more abreast, then let's see who MOANS.

Nikki, will probably be the first inline, followed very closely by her cronies. Saying WE shouldn't be allowed on bridal paths.

Come on fellow vehicle owners, let's AMASS ourselves together, and show these Irresponsible horse owners, what problems we motorist get, when confronted by horses on the Highway.
31st Aug 07 05:08

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Brenna

Anna the fact that horse poo is not dangerous to the enviornment, as comparred to oil makes a big difference between horses on roads and cars on bridle paths!
31st Aug 07 05:08

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Nikki

I'm so sorry, my postings seem to be happening twice - I promise I am not clicking the button twice, it's just happening - promise !
30th Aug 07 09:08

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Anna

Whoever wrote the main article, couldn't agree with you more!! Horses are allowed to dump on main roads, yet I can't imagine I'd be too popular if I took my car up a bridle path and put oil on it! xx
30th Aug 07 03:08

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Nikki

Freddie: I never said that oxen were not used to pull carts long before horses! What I was implying by mentioning the Georgians is that Macadam, the inventor of tarmac, was a Georgian. The Georgian period - as brilliantly illustrated in the Georgette Heyer books - was, for the aristocracy, centred around having a good time bowling along in the latest rig pulled by a spanking pair (or more) of horses on the newly invented road surface called tarmac. To suggest that these young bloods had OXEN pulling their carriages is utterly ridiculous.

I also said I wasn't sure when oxen ceased to be used as beasts of burden in the fields. To my knowledge they were NOT used to pulled stage coaches and the like - before or after the invention of tarmacadam.
29th Aug 07 08:08

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Nikki

Freddie: I'm fine - sorry to jump down your throat but I'm positively SMARTING from your lack of understanding of what I was trying to say ! I know I ramble on sometimes, but I thought my point was obvious, apologies if not.
29th Aug 07 08:08

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Freddie: I never said that oxen were not used to pull carts long before horses! What I was implying by mentioning the Georgians is that Macadam, the inventor of tarmac, was a Georgian. The Georgian period - as brilliantly illustrated in the Georgette Heyer books - was, for the aristocracy, centred around having a good time bowling along in the latest rig pulled by a spanking pair (or more) of horses on the newly invented road surface called tarmac. To suggest that these young bloods had OXEN pulling their carriages is utterly ridiculous.

I also said I wasn't sure when oxen ceased to be used as beasts of burden in the fields. To my knowledge they were NOT used to pulled stage coaches and the like - before or after the invention of tarmacadam.
29th Aug 07 08:08

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Freddie

Brenna, You've proven my point with your last comment. You've desperately grabbed at something and put it forward as an argument. The result being that you appear desperate and foolish. Horses were also there before lorries, tractors, tandoms, caravans etc etc. Are you sure you can't think of any others?
29th Aug 07 08:08

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Brenna

But still horses were allowed on the roads before alot of things like: BIKES!
28th Aug 07 11:08

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Freddie

Sorry Nikki, I meant started not sarted and I forgot to ask "how are you"?
27th Aug 07 11:08

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Nikki... I think you'll find that improvement to road suraces sarted long before Georgian times. Eddie is right on this one I'm afraid. Oxen were used to pull carts etc. long before horses. Horses are much more efficient at it and took over the job over time. Much like cars have taken over from the horse.
As you know, I generally support most of what you say on here but at the moment you are getting drawn into an argument that is becoming absurd. I wouldn't bother with this thread anymore if I were you. Both sides sound like they are desperately grabbing at anything to prove their point.

Take care
27th Aug 07 11:08

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Eddie: you've finally lost it. I can hardly understand a word of your posting, except to say that you've finally lost the plot when you start speaking about oxen. I am not sure when oxen were last used to pull farm carts, but the Georgians certainly did not have anything other than horses to pull their phaetons, stage coaches etc. Carriages indeed have wheels, and carriages were pulled by horses, not oxen. Oxen I believe were used in the fields, not for fast travelling on the newly tarmaced roads.

You really must stop ranting like a lunatic and write more clearly and coherently.
27th Aug 07 09:08

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Nikki,

YOU'VE just proved you have NO braincells, not only do you post the same prattle twice, but the churned up "Tracks" only became "roads" AFTER Tarmac was invented. Plus if you can remember, Oh I forgot you did live in those days, the main form of transport was a carriage, or coach,, And WHAT may I ask do coaches and carriages run on,, WHEELS, Oh Braincell dead one, WHEELS.Which I might add were pulled by OXEN, because of the heavy ground, horses couldn't manage the heavy work load.
27th Aug 07 04:08

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Nikki

Eddie: now I really do know for absolute sure that you only have one braincell. Why do you think that the roads became impassable in bad weather? Because they were churned up by the horses and carriages into impossible quagmires. Tarmac does not get churned up - there you are dear, you have learned something new.
26th Aug 07 07:08

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Nikki

Had enough of YOUR prattle, you stupid person. where on earth did you get the idea that most of the transport on roads was pedestrian? If it had've been, then the roads would not have got so churned up in the first place. For centures, the HORSE was the main form of transport. Did you not learn anything at school? Or are you a very young person, and therefore did not do history at school - an extraordinary thing to my mind is that youngsters of today know absolutely nothing about their own history because they don't study it at school. Maybe that goes some way to explain the ignorance displayed on the topic of horses in general.
26th Aug 07 07:08

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Eddie: now I really do know for absolute sure that you only have one braincell. Why do you think that the roads became impassable in bad weather? Because they were churned up by the horses and carriages into impossible quagmires. Tarmac does not get churned up - there you are dear, you have learned something new.
26th Aug 07 07:08

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Brenna

This is a very WIDE topic, so everything we talk about is because of the main article, so get over the fact that we are not talking about poo! That part of the argument will come along sooner or later!
24th Aug 07 03:08

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Had enough of your prattle

See... Nikki and Brenna cannot keep on the gripe topic. It is not about whether horses have more rights than cars, neither is it about who was there first. It is about them fouling the road!
Keep arguing that tarmac was invented for horses if you want to. YOU ARE WRONG. It was invented to improve the road and make it passable for all users, including pedestrians. In no way was this done with horses in mind, it was done with the interest of getting from one place to another easier. Horses may have been the main method of moving goods about originally but most traffic on the roads was pedestrian.
As this is the case would you agree that pedestrians have more right to use the roads as they were there first? I thought not!
Now get a life, get back to the gripe topic (pooh, if you needed another reminder) and get some hard facts before you sprout a load of nonsense. Remember, opinion is just that, do not try to consider it fact!
24th Aug 07 10:08

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Brenna

Ok mr. smarty pants, so you say that he experimented with the roads to help with the conditions of them, but the reason of a road is for transportation, horses were that main trasporter! They were used for everything! Pulling wagons and coaches, plowing and just riding!
24th Aug 07 05:08

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Brenna

I agree with Nikki again, roads were made for horses.
24th Aug 07 04:08

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Nikki

Absolute rubbish. MacAdam invented tarmac to provide a smoother ride for carriages AND to protect horses' hooves from clattering over cobbles and stony surfaces, thus enabling the carriages to be able to travel faster because the horses could go faster. In other words, the modern day tarmacadam road was NOT invented for cars, it was NOT invented for motorbikes, it was NOT invented for cycles, it was invented for HORSES and HORSE-powered transport. So far from HORSES not belonging on roads, I would say the opposite actually - were I an unreasonable person, which I am not. What I do say is that HORSES have as much right if not more than motorised transport to travel on roads, and I do not think it is too much to ask of said motorised transport to follow the Highway Code and pass horses according to its dictum.
23rd Aug 07 10:08

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Brenna

No this argument is just getting started, and if you want to get back on topic lets do it. At the end of the article the author states that the horse is not under the control of its rider, completlely disagreeable! My horse walks down the road level headed and stops, speeds up, moves over, backs up, the list goes on and on, all in my control! I have had no problems EVER with my horse on the roads.
23rd Aug 07 06:08

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Had enough of your prattle

Actually.........He invented a substance to cover the road surface to protect the road. He didn't do it for horses or carriages. It was not intended to help either of them, it was intended to prevent the road from being worn away by horses and carriages.
Why don't you get of your high horses (pardon the pun) and get back to the topic of the gripe.
Incidentally, my view on this gripe is that it is undesirable to have any substance on the road that does not belong there, whether that be pooh, litter, friday night kebab or other potential hazard. We do however have to accept that it will always happen and that the risk of it causing an accident is real even if almost negligable.

Now lets finish this horsey person vs non horsey person argument and put it to bed.
23rd Aug 07 04:08

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Brenna

Eddie-
What pulls a carriage or stage coach?
HORSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roads were built for transportation! The only type of transportation there used to be was horses, so people get over it and realize that horses will still be riden on the roads!
23rd Aug 07 04:08

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eddie

Nikki

he used it to build roads - and for what?

FOR HORSES !!!

HorseCrap,

He actually used it for Stage coaches and Mail coaches to give a smoother ride, NOT for the flipping horse.

So no you can shut up, because I'm fed up of it.
23rd Aug 07 02:08

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Brenna

Yay Nikki! Horse people rock! And horses belong on roads and wherever we want to take them!
23rd Aug 07 02:08

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Nikki

John Loudon MacAdam invented the modern-day surface for roads - tarmacadam, otherwise known as tarmac. He invented this not for the motorcar, because the motorcar did not exist until after he had died - he used it to build roads - and for what?

FOR HORSES !!!

So shut up everyone who says that horses do not belong on the road, because I am getting very fed up with this argument.
22nd Aug 07 06:08

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Nikki

Without horses, there would be no roads as we know them today. The Romans invented the concept of a hard surfaced road - designed specifically to allow their marching armies of legionnaires and accompanying horse drawn chariots, carts etc. to manoeuvre around the land.
22nd Aug 07 06:08

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Brenna

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! Horse people win this battle! Horses are better than bikes, and are allowed on the roads!
20th Aug 07 04:08

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bill

I completely agree. The horse was here before the car.
19th Aug 07 10:08

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kati

I think everyone is forgetting here that roads were made for horses!!! You know - before cars and bikes were even invented!! So if our horses poo on the road, then s**t happens, ha ha !!!
19th Aug 07 09:08

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Brenna

Thanks for backing me on this one Nikki, I really appreciate the support and that some one feels the same way I do!
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Brenna: absolutely! But didn't you know? Not only are us horse riders expected to control our terrified animals when some moron has blasted past, far too close, far too fast and blazing away on his horn - we are also expected to be contortionists too, wielding large shovel and bin bag aloft like some latter day Ghengis Khan whilst expertly scooping up our horse's faeces and dextrously carting same home !
19th Aug 07 01:08

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Pepole who think horses are useless are very ignorant! Who really freaking cares if there is a little pile of horse crap on the side of the road! I ride my horse on the road all the time and no one has seemed to have a big problem with it, as compared to the author! And if you ask me the bike riders are the problem! They never and I repeat never get out of the way of our cars! At least us horse people don't hog the road, and get over at the site of a car! Also to the authors note: Do you really expect us to carry a shovel on the back of our saddle?! And even if we did where the heck would we throw the poop! As you can see this article angers me! So I hope that us horse people stick together on this and we have as much right to the road as anyone else!
19th Aug 07 12:08

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iolanda

it is not uncommon to find horse manure or cow manure on the road but what annoys me a bit is when farmars put their cattle in the field and do not close/lock the gate properly and the cattle are free to roam around the roads.
They come into our garden and destroy the land.
it is a problem
14th Jul 07 11:07

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hi as a biker as well as a horse rider I would like to add that I have insurance for both!!!!I agree that horses that arent suitable amongst traffic shouldnt really be on road but unfortunately some people arent fortunate enough to have accsess to off road hackingIam very fortunate thatIdo but still have to ride on road to get to these!!!also as for poop birds scatter the dung and rain washes it and its only grass or hay most time anyway,harmless to humans.cant imagine carrying my poopscooper with me ha.
3rd Jul 07 10:07

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Nikki

H - you sound like an extremely sensible person. It beats me why the author of this thread was so outraged by finding horse poo on a country road - would he be so outraged if he came across Farmer Giles bringing his cows in for milking, or transferring his sheep from one field to another as we frequently have round here?
29th Jun 07 12:06

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Horses have got us through many wars in the old days GRA. They were used for transport and farming back then, if you said they were "useless" back then you would have been laughed at. Of course the have their uses today. Like someones said, police horses for example. In some countries, they are still used for farming. In poor countries horses and donkeys are EXTREMELY important! I compete my horses every weekend and get a great deal of fun from them. Whereas a pet like a budgie for christ sake, I mean what use is there in one of those?! Anyway, if you drive in the country - expect to meet "country things" like horse manure!!
28th Jun 07 11:06

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iolanda

thank you nikki,

I think we have all gone off topic, horse manure is not a very huge problem anyway, its completely harmless unlike dog poo, dog poo can blind peopleand horse manure is harmless so if someone wants to gripe about pooh then it should be on dog pooh.
25th Jun 07 04:06

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YOU use your brains Gra. What about Police Horses? They are absolutely invaluable to the police during riots, trouble at football grounds, and for just routine patrolling of our larger cities.

Hardly useless meat. Ask any mounted policeman, he or she will tell you how much they rely on their mounts. There are mounted Army Police as well.
25th Jun 07 12:06

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iolanda

Use your brains.

When did you last see a horse guiding a blind person,

When did you see a horse being used to sniff out drugs etc.

When did you see a horse catching a criminal

I'll tell you when, NEVER.

Like I said, and I'm sticking to what I say, horses are just a half a ton of useless meat, unless you eat it.
25th Jun 07 05:06

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gra

if you think that about horses, then why not think that about cats or dogs, what use are they other than a house pet??
and they are not useless!! A friend of mine gets all her income from competitions with a horse and cart, many people rely on horses and ponies to bring in money and I am happy with that as long as they are not worked too hard or misstreated.

and I love dogs and cats and don't mean any offence to them or anyone who own cats or dogs.
19th Jun 07 07:06

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deb1pat brilliant point, I very much agree - if you are in the country, abide by country life and rules however much unwritten they are.

Gra you also have a very valid point. I dont have to ride on any main roads really except one for about 5 minutes next door to a well known british motor race course, to cross over to some countryside and lanes on the other side of a valley to vary my riding from the boring norm, the speed limit I think is 60 or 70, some people slow down some dont. the ones that do always get thanked. the ones that dont, dont.
some people have manners and some dont, its not a case of me and my horse should or shouldnt be on that road, if the person has the courteousy to slow their speed to 40mph or so for a mere 5 seconds this is so greatly appreciated by my horse and myself and is always kindly thanked, simple as really.

As for horses having "no use" and being a status symbol. oh dear. my horse is not a pet, I compete her once a week for enjoyment, she is part of my family, as much as a dog can be to some people. my horse keeps me fit if nothing else, im a fit size 10 thanks to being in the saddle 2 hours a day, I make new friends every week thanks to my hobby, and have made life long friends through it. how many people can say that?
19th Jun 07 03:06

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iolanda,

I'll just cut to the chase, as you put it.

Why should ANYONE ride a horse, their useless, don't do any good,their just a "Status" symbol, large pet, and a danger on highways.NOBODY wants THEM on the road. Even farmers don't need horses these days.

So I'll cut to the chase again and repeat what I said,, It works BOTHS ways.
19th Jun 07 05:06

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iolanda

Hallah to my nikki! thanks, finaly a bit of support. and a clear message i'm just gonna cut to the chase--- Why should you drive a gas guzzeling, air polluting, deafining van or 4 x 4 if you don't need it, no one wants them on the road and I admit that yes some people who work on farms who need to get to fields or people who work on a mountain may need them to pull heavy weights or get them up a steep slippery road but otherwise whats the piont in having one?
18th Jun 07 02:06

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Nikki

Gra - we do not forget it, but have you ever thought that some riders have to ride on main roads to get to bridleways, country lanes, whatever. Unlike Pegasus, our horses cannot fly.

My cousin used to live in Beverley in Yorkshire, and before she was old enough to drive, she kept her horse in stables on the edge of town. She had to ride on main, very busy roads in order to reach The Westward, a huge area of common land brilliant for riding on, located just outside the town.
18th Jun 07 12:06

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Nikki, Deb1Pat,

This then works BOTH ways. We drivers on MAIN roads end up the ar*se of a horse rider plodding along, regardless of the Queues behind..

As you both say, HORSES belong in the country, Cars, motorcycles main roads. Isn't it funny how the Horse rider FORGETS this.
18th Jun 07 05:06

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Nikki

Hear hear Deb. These people are absolute idiots - they come out for a blast in the country and then whinge when they encounter - God forbid - horses, a herd of cows or sheep that force them to slow down for a few precious seconds! And then - even more God forbid - they might SKID and hurt their precious selves on some nasty smelly horses poo poo! Pathetic!
17th Jun 07 10:06

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deb1pat

Horses belong in the country motorbikes don't. If you want to tear up the roads on your motorbike then get on the motorways. Country roads are known to be unpredictable simply becuase of the animals that use them. If it is country life you were wanting then start acting like a countryside person
17th Jun 07 04:06

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Nikki

If you really had fallen off Flamborough Head, not sure how just an airbag could have saved you - it's a long way down - don't you mean a parachute!!?
15th Jun 07 09:06

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A couple of years ago I skidded in some horse do and went over the cliffs at Flamorough Head, luckily my airbag saved me.
15th Jun 07 05:06

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Nikki

Oh Iolanda, don't start me off on one of my pet hates - bloody stupid 4 x 4 drivers who absolutely refuse to take their Chelsea Tractors onto the verge in case they get them dirty! We live opposite to a stupid woman who I can't stand who used to have a Discovery - I met her once on my horse on a very narrow country lane, and she flatly refused to go onto the verge, which was absolutely fine by me as this was her choice, but she had the cheek to tell me to hurry up! I couldn't go onto the verge on my side because there wasn't one, only a steep ditch, so this stupid woman sat there waiting for me to get out of her way - absolutely pathetic.
14th Jun 07 07:06

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iolanda

Maybe so but she was probably pulled over, some stuck up drivers are just afraid to pull over incase they get their tyres dirty.
14th Jun 07 06:06

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Ollie

What a totally ridiculous idea the horse was here before the car.The car chucks out much more from its rear end its just that you can't see it! Also if your friend was close enough for the rider to hit it with her whip in my book she was to close by far!!
13th Jun 07 06:06

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iolanda

If yall will look back at previous comments, we had come to a long avaited agreement.
you to have put us back to square one.
12th Jun 07 09:06

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I am sorry but dog poo has been proven to cause brain damage and is located were children have to walk to school and other predestrians walk. Where I ride a man comes round with his wheel barrow and uses it for his roses .I am sorry but your vehicle releases co2 into the air and thats doing more damage than a bit of horse poo. I would love to see you ride a horse with a shovel on your saddle and once picked up what are we sposed to do put it in a giant doggy poo bag? I also know some disabled and elderly riders who find it difficult getting on and off there horse. If you are traveling fast enough not to be able to get out of the way of horse poo how do you propose to get out of the way of a 16.3 highly strung youngster prancing in the middle of the road whild the rider is bent over picking up poo, its the stupidest thing I have ever heard!
12th Jun 07 05:06

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vicki

sorry im at a loss here, what do you suggest we do about it?!

get off hold the horse in one hand, pick the poo up in another all the time expected the horse to stand still and not get hit by a car at the same time ?! I know for sure my horse wouldnt do that!!

can you not just drive round it most of the time ? I know I do in my car

Also what happens if your horse has diarohhea ?! haha sorry to be crude but im being serious. how ya gonna poop scoop that?!!!!!
12th Jun 07 04:06

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iolanda

Same here, I mean honestly, how hard can it be to carry your rubbish to the car and put it in a bin at home! It is a danger to horses, people, animals and indeed the enviroment.
So I say to all people in favour of this article on horse manure --- CAR DRIVERS ARE FAR FAR WORSE!! Our waste will degrade away within weeks maybe months but YOUR waste - papers ,bags, glass, cans etc will take YEARS to rot away. Are you with me Nikki?

:-D
31st May 07 04:05

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Nikki

I know Iolanda, it completely beats me how difficult is it to take one's rubbish home? We have locals from the nearby town coming out here to our little village and having get togethers on the set aside down in the valley. No problem so far, it is lovely that the youngsters who have lived all their lives on concrete want to come out and share the beauty of our countryside. They come in their cars, and park up on the set aside behind a little copse and doubtless have a good time being teenagers with all that involves. However, they leave behind many tens of empty cans, bottles - both glass and plastic - and numerous empty Macdonalds bags and cartons, all littered over the grass and thrown into the copse. How lazy can this be? There is more effort expended throwing the litter all over the grass and into the wood than there is throwing it onto the back seat and driving it home with them.

This behaviour and attitude I just cannot understand.
29th May 07 09:05

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iolanda

I agree, it is such a shame that people throw their rubbish in the countryside I mean why not throw it in a dump in the city? I mean the city is already a dump (where I am anyway) so why omeone would leave the rubbish on the countryside instead of the city that is already filthy is beyond me.
29th May 07 04:05

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Nikki

Yes indeed, if you are lucky enough to have grass verges or fields to move into in the first place. We have plenty of the latter, but not so much of the former. Round here the Council don't cut the grass verges, and they are lethal - full of broken glass, cans, rabbit holes and other hazards or waiting to trip up the unwary. I would very rarely risk riding on verges, except where I could see what was lurking there.

Why people think that verges are receptacles for their rubbish I will never know.
25th May 07 12:05

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iolanda

I agree nikki. I mean when you think about it there are far far far more inportant issues than horse pooh on the road, realy in comparison this is not even worth argueing about.
I is however annoying to people who dont understand. These people normaly live in cities or dont ride horses or are plain looking for an arguement ( not you nikki ) so I think to settle this "when you ( meaning ALL horse-riders) ride on the roads be sure to move your horse on to the gras or into a field.
24th May 07 09:05

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Iolanda: hi there, sorry if I caused offence. You are actually way way away from the truth. I live in the depths of Northamptonshire in a tiny village - about 120 houses I think. We are lucky enough now to have miles of set-aside to ride on without setting hoof on tarmac. The nearest main road is about a mile away.

I am a huge animal lover - dogs first, closely followed by horses. I am as green as I possibly can be, although there is considerable room for improvement. Horse poo is completely organic and completely harmless, which is why I consider this whole topic to be complete and utter nonsense. If we were discussing dog pooh, then that would be completely different, but we are not.
24th May 07 09:05

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iolanda

Sharon im sorry but I didn't mean any offence to nikki and still want to hear your opinion but please do not say things like that anymore. :-)
24th May 07 04:05

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Nikki

Sharon: what are you talking about! Of course I don't have to do that - I'm on strong painkillers at the moment so may have misunderstood!
24th May 07 01:05

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nikki love I feel sorry for you if you have to crap on the road with someone on your back so im agreeing with iolanda
23rd May 07 04:05

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Iolanda

for your information NIKKI!!! Where I live is very ruaral and every few yards is a field opening. It's only a few steps away!! so wise up and I'm pretty sure I have enough experience.
I'm starting to realise that you are not an animal lover as I thought and I think that you have a completely one sided view. You probably live near a main road where there are not a lot of fields maybe some but they may be one or two meters away and also if there are no fields then we go on the side of the road not the tarmac.
23rd May 07 04:05

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Nikki

well, I certainly would not like to be "moved on" when I was trying to perform what is after all a completely natural bodily function! Don't you think it's a bit cruel to say the least to prevent your horse from defecating? I'm certainly not a horse expert by any manner or means, but I've never been told to stop my horse from defecating or urinating - exactly the opposite in fact.

Sadly, I don't have the bond you talk about with horses - dogs, yes, but not horses. I have had the pleasure and honour of having my own horses, but I have to say, having not started to ride until I was 12, that I don't "connect" with horses like I do with dogs, but I would never try and stop a horse or a dog from "going".
22nd May 07 09:05

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iolanda

I didnt mean trained to go on one spot I meant if he goes to go on the road I keep moving him on untill we reach a field ar a place to go as for the yard he just never goes there and you can't just train a horse!! yo have to have a special bond or connection to train a horse and you need to understand each other and be around each other all the time.

btw THANK YOU FRSTSG
22nd May 07 09:05

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Eileen: As you will see from my posting yesterday, I don't actually believe that someone did train their horse to defecate to order. Horses are herbivores, and therefore have a different digestive system to us. They have to evacuate their bowels far more frequently than, say, us or dogs with, I would imagine, far less control than we have.

What a very pointless and ridiculous argument this whole thread is.
19th May 07 12:05

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Nikki

Frstsg: dogs, being omnivores, are vastly more intelligent (and therefore easier to train) than a horse. OH used to call my horse "that thick herbivore", which used to annoy me intensely but has the element of truth about it.

Horses are much more difficult to train than a dog to do what is essentially a trick.
19th May 07 12:05

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Frstsg

I wouldn't have thought it was that hard to train a horse to not go on the roads, a bit like training a kennel dog to wait until it's walk to poop and pee.
19th May 07 12:05

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Eileen, EX-horse rider.

Training a horse to go in one spot.

Is this April fools joke?.

Goes to show what bullSh*t horse riders think up.

Horse riders ALWAYS think they are above the law, and flout it at all times. probably Nikki is the GOD's gift to horse riding, as she say's she always does things by the book. I can't say that for the rest of the Equestrian idiots.

For christ sake, they ban kiddies electric toys from being on the road, and only to be used on PRIVATE land. The SAME should be done for these Pompous Riders.
19th May 07 05:05

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Nikki

Hi Fair of Mind: This is one trick I'd love to see - frankly, I don't believe it, I think it's a wind-up, but I'll wait and see what iolanda comes up with !
18th May 07 11:05

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Fair of Mind

So..... It is possible for a horse to be trained not to pooh on the road!!!! ;-)
Hi Nikki!
17th May 07 01:05

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Nikki

hi olanda: that's some clever trick to train your horse to go in one spot and to hold onto it. Thanks for your support - it was getting a bit lonely on here once again!
16th May 07 10:05

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iolanda

STEWART!! how dare you say that to nikki! The reason we ride abreast is not to annoy drivers for goodness sake! it's so that drivers see us and we see them and the reason we don't move aside at the first sight of drivers is because we need them to slow down otherwise ( and this isn't to all drivers by the way) they wil speed on past without a second thought. I was nearly paralised when a driver didn't slow down and my horse shyed into a ditch and I fell in with it. So wise up! And a great shout out to nikki go an ya good thing! ( btw soz im irish hense the saying lol! )
15th May 07 05:05

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Well here in Ireland ( dunno were you lot are from soz ) as a rider I have trained my horse to go into a field along the way or hold it untill we get home. So i'm sorry for all the times that any of you have been disgusted with horse manure on the rode but don't blame every horse rider/wisperer you see because it is only certain individuals.


Also if this is a repeted occurence on the same road each time then maybe it is only one person. If you and a group of people as a group do a roadwatch you may find out who it is and instead of complaining on this site all day then do something about it! Just ask the person to please stop letting his animal foul on the road.
15th May 07 04:05

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Nikki

Vivian: hi and heartfelt welcome to a fellow horse rider! Sometimes I feel very lonely, although recently there has been a flurry of support. All the arguments you give I have given myself many many times - they are sensible arguments, but anti-horse people sadly appear to be lacking somewhat in the sense department!

I too think that we should all have to pass a test - a bit like the cycle proficiency test. When I first started riding again after many many years absence, I used to wear a yellow bib with a large red L on it that was in fact intended as an L plate for a car. It was plastic and self adhesive therefore waterproof, and was very effective. It did cause the majority of road users to slow down, which was very kind of them. Unfortunately you always get the bad apple in every barrel who used to think it was hysterically funny to blast their horn as they drove past.
8th May 07 07:05

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Vivian

Lets start getting a grip of ourselves here. I am a horse rider who happens to do alot of road work on my horse, simply because I have no choice if I want to exercise him on a regular basis. Most of the roads I use are busy and I do therefore use my common sense and don't ride during rush hour or the the school runs! Contrary to popular belief there are not hundreds of bridelways, rolling hills and vast amounts of fields in which riders can go. Riding on roads is a 'needs must' basis I would think for the majority of riders.
As for the dreaded horse poo, how much horse poo do most drivers come across on the roads...I
I would say not an awful lot. To suggest that riders stop and get off to pick it up is absolutely ridiculous though I would be open to any realisitc suggestions!
I agree that it might be slippery if you were to hit it whilst riding a motorbike but surely this is one of many hazards a bike rider has to incurr. I must say most bike riders I come across out on the road are extremely courteous and always slow down. I might be niave but I thought this was because they understood how vunerable you are out on the road when your not in a car.
Finally the issue of road tax. I very much doubt that a horses little feet have much impact on the wear and tear of the road way like a car does and that the time spent on the road is far less. I do think what would be a good suggestion is that any rider considering going out on the road should pass a road safety test like they used to do in the Pony Club, thus installing knowledge of highway code and also considerate riding.
8th May 07 12:05

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Heavy sigh from Nikki.

Dear oh dear, some people just don't get it - this is ONE horse show Graham, with what would appear on the face of it, to be some irresponsible people. DON't tar the whole horsey community with one bad example please. One point you do make though I would have to seriously question - under no circumstances whatsoever would any rider ever gallop a horse intentionally on a hard surface such as a road. Are you sure they were GALLOPING, or even cantering, on the tarmac? Were they not utilising the grass verge? Galloping on the grass on the side of a road, let alone a main road, is a dangerous and very stupid thing to go, so I cannot believe you have got this right.

If you are right, you should try and find out the organisers of this horse show - eg The Pony Club? Or a local riding club? And report them to the BHS (British Horse Society). Not only are they flouting the rules of the road, they are endangering their horses' safety, their horses' health, not to mention their own and other road users.

No rider who knows anything at all about horses would ever canter or gallop on the road - not only could the horse slip and come down, the hardness of the surface would almost undoubtedly render all but the toughest of horses lame at best. At worst, the horse could damage or break one or both shoulders, and do untold damage to the ligaments and tendons in the legs.
7th May 07 11:05

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Well here we are, May Day bank holiday.

left my home to go shopping on Sunday, and what's the FIRST thing we encounter, yes you've guessed it, a ruddy horse show. Fair enough, they are in a well organized field, with Marshall's and all the other requirements. No problem with that.

What I DO complain at IS,

ALL the horse owners who think the MAIN road that run alongside the field, is a TRAINING area. Horses walking, trotting, galloping along the road, completely IGNORING SIGNS saying NO HORSES ON HIGHWAY. I've taken photo's and given them to the police, as this also runs on bank holiday Monday,This is TOTAL disregard of the law. Even the organizers seemed to be flouting the law. WHY is it you NEVER seem to see horse riders getting heavily fined, for FLOUTING what I seem as a well SIGNED LAW.
7th May 07 06:05

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Stuart:

So I am responsible am I for the actions of every rude and discourteous rider am I? There are bad apples in every barrel - don't get all snotty and hoity toity with me just because of these inconsiderate riders.

I agree with everything you say in your post - up to the bit where you start talking about honking your horn. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES DO THIS - you could end up with half a ton of horse coming through your windscreen, resulting in your very nasty and untimely death being kicked to death by a dying horse - take it from me, I've been there, done that, read the book AND seen the film.

Why take it out on the poor horses? They are not to blame - give the riders a wigging and tell them to read their highway code.
4th May 07 12:05

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Stuart

I've read this from the beginning, as still come to the conclusion, If horse riders don't give way, Then drivers should do the same, and NOT give way.

I also noticed Nikki says Young and inexperienced riders do ride two abreast, well I CAN agree on that. BUT, only yesterday did I see Four, YES FOUR riders, of ELDERLY age, riding abreast of each other, and would NOT give way on a busy stretch of road.

No wonder drivers get angry and get passed them any way possible. If the riders don't RESPECT the RULES of the road, WHY should we.

There's no excuses Nikki, for horse riders who are experienced, riding abreast on busy roads, only to IGNORE the rules. THEY deserve all they get, which includes being honked at, and being thrown.
3rd May 07 05:05

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Nikki

Aagh !!! I am now going away to quietly do away with myself !!

Glad we have managed to persuade you to come around to a more reasonable way of thinking about horses - particularly since you live in the countryside! You can't be a nimby, if you want to live in the countryside, then you have to take the rough with the smooth, the poo with the delightful scenery and peace and quiet. So please just accept that horses will poo on the road, are allowed to do so, and their owners are not required to have to pick up after their horses because it is just not necessary to do so for all the reasons that have been debated and argued over since time immemorial!
27th Apr 07 12:04

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Fair of Mind

Almost happy!

I do live in the country and still think that clear roads are better.
I never said you cared about your car getting dirty. I said most people would probably be annoyed. It's not something I lay awake at night about either but it is annoying when it happens.
Thank you for clarifying the cow thing!

Now, about those nappies!!!!!!
26th Apr 07 10:04

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Nikki

Phew ! At last I think we have left the subject of horse nappies behind !!

Please pretty please can no-one ever mention them again - not if they don't want a metaphorical meat cleaver to come winging over the ether towards their computer!
26th Apr 07 10:04

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Fair of Mind: oh dear, you're not a country person are you! T'roads in t'countryside are littered with all sorts of most inconvenient debris - leaves, fallen branches, wildlife - both dead and alive - and then we have the most "inconvenient debris" of all - man, zooming along in his gas guzzling, polluting, killing machine. No mate, sorry, I do NOT believe that a road clear of debris is better than a road not covered. Not in the countryside certainly, and it presumably is country roads which you are alluding to as that is where most of the horse riding is done in this country. I couldn't care less whether my car - clean or otherwise - got a load of the proverbial dumped on it just after I had cleaned it, as frankly I have a lot more serious things to worry about, as any sensible person would have .
Right, onto the serious matter of cow poo. Cow poo is different from horse poo because they chew the cud - basically that means they regurgitate semi digested food and chew it again to get all the goodies from it. This means that cow pats are liquid, not solid like horse poo. Thus, it is illegal to leave cow poo on the roads because it is far more dangerous due to its slippy nature. I didn't actually know that it was illegal to leave cow poo on the road, but if you are correct, then that will be the reason why.
Freezers were fine - both our's and that containing the dog meat - provided you don't open the door, a freezer will stay frozen for some time. Thanks for your concern - we are covered on our insurance, but don't need to claim this time.
Happy with all my answers?
26th Apr 07 10:04

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Ah Nikki you're back. I'm so glad. I had nobody to discuss this with in your absence apart from some bint that keeps wanting to talk to me for some reason. I think she must have the hots for me. I will state my last post on the nappies and then I will let it drop.
1. Accepted, they are not practical for use across country etc.
2. If riding only on a road then there is no practical reason against them, only predujice.
3. Brugge is lovely. Great architecture and splendid chocolate.

There it's said.

In general though, returning to the main point of the gripe I still believe that a road that is clear of debris, of any nature, is obviously better than a road with debris on it. This cannot be disputed.
I accept it is not a huge problem but I would ask you to accept that is can be an annoyance. I would be annoyed for example, if after spending some time cleaning my car I turned a bend and got a load of sh1t on it. As I am sure most people would. It wouldn't harm it, I know but it is none the less annoying. Yes I could possibly avoid it, but not always.

Maybe you can clear up one point for me. I found this interesting. Whilst searching to provide you with your insane link about nappies that you insisted upon, I found several articles pertaining to laws concerning cow poo. Cows, like horses are veggies, yes? Therefore as their diets are very similar their 2's should not differ much either right? Are you following my logic here? So why is it illegal to leave cow poo on the roads but not horses? I don't get it, do you?

PS. Don't forget the big insurance claim for your freezer! Costs a fortune when you have a long powercut.
26th Apr 07 09:04

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I've spoken to an old police chum whose in the Mounted Police in one of our city's police forces. He fell about laughing when I suggested that a) riders should poo pick after their horses b) the police should poo pick after their horses c) the various cavalary regiments exercising their horses in London should poo pick after their horses and d) Ma'am, or a member of her staff, should poo pick after HER horses!

I can't repeat his exact wording, because it was a bit anglo saxon, but basically in a nutshell he said that if he ever caught anyone on the public highway with or without their horse picking up horse poo they would be cautioned or worse (if they hadn't already been squished) quicker than they could say "you're nicked".

So there we are - straight from the horse's mouth, if you'll excuse the pun.
26th Apr 07 09:04

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Nikki

Anita Beaver: I am more than willing to pay "road tax" for the dubious privilege of riding on the road. Frankly, I do not wish to, and if at all possible will never do so ever again, but that is beside the point, I am more than willing to pay a road tax, but the point is there is no such thing. Bicyclists don't pay road tax - why pick on horse riders? If you feel so strongly that we don't pay road tax, then do something about it. Lobby your mp, get him to raise a question in the House. We live in a democracy, if you don't like something, then do something about it instead of just whingeing on.

It all goes back to my firm belief that horses breed jealousy - toff up, peasant down.
26th Apr 07 09:04

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Nikki

Good grief! I'm away for 24 hours because of a total electricity blackout in the village last night, and I see that Fair of Mind is continuing to live up to his/her name by promulgating the right of everyone to free speech! Spiral, I agree with you totally. Fair of Mind: you speak for yourself - anyone is more than welcome to join in with our debate - we don't live in China, we have free speech here.

Fair of Mind: you asked me who it was who had revealed the "horse friendly" nappies. I believe from memory it was "Brian", but I really cannot be bothered to trawl back through all the posts looking for it. I do remember though you pouncing on this piece of information with glee, stating that here was another example of how unreasonable horse riders are in this country in that even when something is available to collect our horse poo, we still don't use it. However, it now appears that all this was bunkum, and that the city where these miraculous devices are used turns out not to be Brugge (still don't know where that is, or even if it exists - do you mean Zebrugge?) but Vienna, some several hundreds of miles away in another country (the said Brugge apparently being in Belgium). I'm beginning to lose the will to live by now, but it is completely apparent to me that we are talking about the one and only device which is ONLY suitable for carriage horses, NOT for riding horses, as to canter or gallop would be completely out of the question. The mind boggles what would happen should one's horse go over a jump wearing one of these devices! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we put to rest the subject of horse nappies? They are not practical, they are not safe, and they are NEVER going to happen in this country where we care about the comfort, safety and welfare of our horses.
26th Apr 07 09:04

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spiral

Clearly because you have absolutely no argument to contradict the points I made!
25th Apr 07 08:04

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Fair of Mind

spiral.. have it your way but understand that I shall not be reading or responding to any of your comments forthwith.
25th Apr 07 08:04

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Anita Beaver

Rintus
Mosr divers WILL pick up their spillages as long as it is safe to do so but the difference is we pay our road tax for the upkeep of the roads (its a completely different gripe as to wether the government actually spend it on the roads though)
25th Apr 07 05:04

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spiral

Fair of mind, this is a public forum and I am entitled to post whatever I want - you can tell me to go away all you want but I won't. I suggest you stop being so rude.

Your argument is not against Nikki but against anyone who has been involved in horse's, so I am fully entitled to respond to your post explaining why your suggestion is irrelevant and would not work. I think Nikki would agree with me, that the nappy systems available are simply impractical for use on an average hack.
25th Apr 07 04:04

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flintus

do all vechile drivers, clear up their spillages and rubber from tyres that are left on the road...this debate in my eyes will always swing back and forth and unless a law states other wise. If my horse leaves muck down the lane where the yard is I will clear it to the grass verge, but down the main mad mile as we call it, not a chance in hell! I dont feel safe enough half the time on horse because of the way people drive that I certainly dont want to be caught off guard with a shovel and sack full of muck trying to get out of a cars way.

I will agree with the toff up peasant down syndrome

we are labelled as some rich snotty upped b*tches (I am male!) who look down on drivers! being a car driver myself, I dont look down on anyone. Its not my style. But it seems to me that you are asking us to to go out of the way when you are clearly not able to give anything back. If you ride in a rural area etc where there are horses can you not find another route, or if you live in a rural area, why did you move to an area that such incidents might take place?
25th Apr 07 04:04

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Fair of Mind

Spiral.......I thought I asked you to go away?
I am having this discussion with Nikki, not you!
If you want to 'hack' then you jolly well go ahead and do so. I don't care what you do really but I would appreciate your keeping your opinions to yourself when I am discussing something with another.
25th Apr 07 03:04

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spiral

The point you have consistantly failed to ignore, fair of mind, is that the nappies you posted and the only ones that are available - are for carriage horses, or horses in the stable. They go under the body and between the legs, so whilst they are perfectly adequate for a horse trotting through a town, or standing about in a stable, they would never be useful on the average hack.

When people hack out they often like to canter, gallop or jump, as well as using the roads, and none of that would be possible whilst wearing that nappy, which is why it is impractical, as nice as it is for an idea.
25th Apr 07 02:04

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Pixie

In response to the possible effect of horse manure on human health, I point you to the following article: www.bayequest.info/pdf/manure.pdf

It concludes as following:

Horse manure is a solid waste excluded from federal EPA solid waste regulation
because it neither contains significant amounts of hazardous chemicals, nor exhibits
hazardous characteristics. The chemical constituents of horse manure are not toxic to
humans. Horse guts do not contain significant levels of the two waterborne pathogens of
greatest concern to human health risk, Cryptosporidium or Giardia, neither do they
contain significant amounts of the bacteria E. coli 0157:H7 or Salmonella. Fungus,
viruses, bacteria and worms found in horses have never been shown to infect humans
and are unlikely to be zoonotic. Finally, the reality is that there are very few horses, and
even fewer numbers of them that frequent trails. People seldom encounter or handle
horse manure. People who do have occasion to handle horse manure have never been
infected by this intimate contact. Humans and other sources within the environment (e.g.
wild animals and birds) with their overwhelming population numbers are far more likely
than horses to contribute to human health risks.

While horse manure may not be aesthetically pleasing, it should not be harmful to
human health nor pose a significant health risk to people when they encounter it on
public trails.
25th Apr 07 01:04

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Nikki

Fair of Mind: I will answer your postings later - gotta get back to work now else I'll get the sack!
25th Apr 07 12:04

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Nikki

I'm not irrational Freddie, I just get mad when people right's are challenged, their right to go about pursuing their legal sport - in this case horse riding - without idiots whingeing about horse poo on the road. The reason I get so mad about it is because it is not even the horse poo that they dislike - it is the unfortunate elitist aura that has built up around horses - I call it the "Toff Up, Peasant Down" syndrome. This whole ridiculous argument is built on and around jealousy - pure, unadulterated jealousy. Anyone sitting on a horse is immediately viewed by ignorant people as being "toffs", "rich upper class twits", etc. etc. Nothing could be further from the truth. Attend any country horse show anyone in the UK and you will hear a vast array of accents - yes indeed, some will be upper class, but they are in the minority. Most horsey people are good honest hard working people, usually as poor as church mice because all their money is spent on their horses! Horsey people are virtually ALWAYS friendly, and are very approachable, even the toffs! Of course there are bad apples in every barrel, but the majority are polite, law abiding and very ordinary people. There are many seemingly antisocial pursuits that people follow - I particularly dislike 4 x 4 drivers who hurtle around on byways churning them up into a sea of mud with deep, impassable ruts, rendering them useless to bikers, riders, walkers and themselves. However, I do not moan, complain and go off on one at them, because what they are doing is, unfortunately, completely legal or (before I get a gazillion people jumping down my throat) it used to be in the days when I was an off-road biker.
25th Apr 07 12:04

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Pixie

In response to the possible effect of horse manure on human health, I point you to the following article: www.bayequest.info/pdf/manure.pdf

It concludes as following:

Horse manure is a solid waste excluded from federal EPA solid waste regulation
because it neither contains significant amounts of hazardous chemicals, nor exhibits
hazardous characteristics. The chemical constituents of horse manure are not toxic to
humans. Horse guts do not contain significant levels of the two waterborne pathogens of
greatest concern to human health risk, Cryptosporidium or Giardia, neither do they
contain significant amounts of the bacteria E. coli 0157:H7 or Salmonella. Fungus,
viruses, bacteria and worms found in horses have never been shown to infect humans
and are unlikely to be zoonotic. Finally, the reality is that there are very few horses, and
even fewer numbers of them that frequent trails. People seldom encounter or handle
horse manure. People who do have occasion to handle horse manure have never been
infected by this intimate contact. Humans and other sources within the environment (e.g.
wild animals and birds) with their overwhelming population numbers are far more likely
than horses to contribute to human health risks.

While horse manure may not be aesthetically pleasing, it should not be harmful to
human health nor pose a significant health risk to people when they encounter it on
public trails.
25th Apr 07 12:04

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Freddie

I've been watching this develop with interest and amusement.

Nikki... you are becoming irrational mate (not generally like you). Fair of mind.... your frustration is showing.
I think that you should both agree that the situation is not and will never be perfect!
Yes it is fair to say it isn't desirable but it is not always practicle to clear it and it rarely causes a real problem. When it is practicle then there is no harm in doing so!
I think that is an amicable settlement don't you?

Lets leave it at that now ;-)
25th Apr 07 12:04

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Fair of mind

flintus agaain... There are many things that are no considered an offence. It doesn't make them right and it doesn't make them desirable. The main point that I have been trying to convey is that it would not hurt horse owners to clean up after them. Why do they think they are above that?
Regardless of what anybody says a road is better for all when it is clean and clear! FACT
Horse manure does not benefit anybody by being on the road! FACT
It would be much better if it was collected by the owner and put on somebodys lovely roses. FACT
I both know and accept that it is not always possible or safe to do so but I will not accept that it is never possible or safe.
Horse riders rightfully have the same right to use the road as anybody else. I do not subscribe to the 'don't pay tax' arguement. I also think that they have the same responsibilities as other road users. That is to keep the carriageway clear!
Got it now!
25th Apr 07 11:04

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flintus

I have one more thing to say on this matter if peoples main concern in life is horse muck they encounter on the road, and are worried about incidents of death by poo
GET A FOOKING LIFE !!
25th Apr 07 11:04

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Pixie

In response to the possible effect of horse manure on human health, I point you to the following article: www.bayequest.info/pdf/manure.pdf

It concludes as following:

Horse manure is a solid waste excluded from federal EPA solid waste regulation
because it neither contains significant amounts of hazardous chemicals, nor exhibits
hazardous characteristics. The chemical constituents of horse manure are not toxic to
humans. Horse guts do not contain significant levels of the two waterborne pathogens of
greatest concern to human health risk, Cryptosporidium or Giardia, neither do they
contain significant amounts of the bacteria E. coli 0157:H7 or Salmonella. Fungus,
viruses, bacteria and worms found in horses have never been shown to infect humans
and are unlikely to be zoonotic. Finally, the reality is that there are very few horses, and
even fewer numbers of them that frequent trails. People seldom encounter or handle
horse manure. People who do have occasion to handle horse manure have never been
infected by this intimate contact. Humans and other sources within the environment (e.g.
wild animals and birds) with their overwhelming population numbers are far more likely
than horses to contribute to human health risks.

While horse manure may not be aesthetically pleasing, it should not be harmful to
human health nor pose a significant health risk to people when they encounter it on
public trails.
25th Apr 07 11:04

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flintus- agaain

a child stepping in the road is a hazard, on the hazard perception test bike users are hazards, bridges are hazards, corners are hazards, lets take away all of those things knowing that they are hazards. what a stupid suggestion! and to be honest I dont see why people are still talking to this one way mind person, its still legal for me to ride on the road and for my horse to leave its muck there. end of conversation. Im sure that fair of mind respects speeds limits, is a complete moral soul and everything in his life smells of roses, the very roses my horse pooed on to help them grow.
25th Apr 07 11:04

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Pixie

In response to the possible effect of horse manure on human health, I point you to the following article: www.bayequest.info/pdf/manure.pdf

It concludes as following:

Horse manure is a solid waste excluded from federal EPA solid waste regulation
because it neither contains significant amounts of hazardous chemicals, nor exhibits
hazardous characteristics. The chemical constituents of horse manure are not toxic to
humans. Horse guts do not contain significant levels of the two waterborne pathogens of
greatest concern to human health risk, Cryptosporidium or Giardia, neither do they
contain significant amounts of the bacteria E. coli 0157:H7 or Salmonella. Fungus,
viruses, bacteria and worms found in horses have never been shown to infect humans
and are unlikely to be zoonotic. Finally, the reality is that there are very few horses, and
even fewer numbers of them that frequent trails. People seldom encounter or handle
horse manure. People who do have occasion to handle horse manure have never been
infected by this intimate contact. Humans and other sources within the environment (e.g.
wild animals and birds) with their overwhelming population numbers are far more likely
than horses to contribute to human health risks.

While horse manure may not be aesthetically pleasing, it should not be harmful to
human health nor pose a significant health risk to people when they encounter it on
public trails.
25th Apr 07 11:04

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Fair of mind

in fact.... the reason they look different is that they are being worn by the protestors not the horses. How remiss of me to have not put my glasses on before looking.
Nikki, can you remember the post about two different types?
I don't know who said it but it was the same person that suggested these things in the first place. It wasn't me!
I had never heard of them until that other person suggested them!
25th Apr 07 09:04

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Fair of mind

In case you were interested there is a link to them on the BBC.
It is not in Belgium but in Vienna.
I agree that they look different from the ones that the OTHER PERSON suggested.
Have a look as clearly it is not only an issue here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2269932.stm

I agree that they look stupid but they obviously work don't they!

SATISFIED NOW?
25th Apr 07 08:04

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Fair of mind

Oh my god Nikki what have I got to do to get through to you. I don't know a link and have never suggested that I could provide one. Why are you insisting on this?
Why don't you provide a link that proves that manure on the road presents no danger? There probably isn't one so you won't be able to.
The suggestion of these nappies was brought up by another individual, not me. Why are you expecting me to provide a link for it, ask them to do so. All I have said is that if they exist then I can see no reason as to why they should not be used here as well as in Belgium. If they are proven to work there, and Belgian horse riders can suffer the indignity of not letting their horses sh*t everywhere, then there is no reason the same cannot happen here.
You agreed that if trained from a young age a horse would accept these things in the same way that they accept a saddle and reins. If horse riders here used them from now on, on all horses as they reached an age/size that they are taught to carry a rider, then in twenty years we would have no more debate about this issue as it would not exist.
Surely you must agree that horse manure put to good use is better than horse manure on the road serving no purpose.
As for spiral..... I have no interest in discussing this with you as you are clearly one of those people that will not listen to any argument. If I told you that night was dark you would probably point out that on the polar caps it is occasionally light! You do not know how to debate. You only know that you are right. We were getting somewhere on this subject and starting to discuss it with both sides making concession. Then you came along and fired it up again. You have not contributed anything positive to this thread. Please go away and leave the rest of us that are capable of discussing this matter alone.
25th Apr 07 08:04

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spiral

Fair of mind, I read your arguments from the start, and I am not an imbecile. The point of a debate, if you are not aware, is that your argument should develop. Your points were countered by Nikki etc initially and you haven't been able to further your argument and come up with anything new other than pointless insults.
24th Apr 07 11:04

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Nikki

Fair of mind: I never said that YOU offered to supply the link - it was ME who said to YOU to put your money where your mouth was (metaphorically speaking) and supply the link. But you haven't, and you never will, because I don't believe for one moment that the device YOU described exists. To prove my point, I asked you to supply me with the link to the appropriate website.

I AM STILL WAITING.
24th Apr 07 11:04

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fair of mind

Spiral... I've not bothered answering your points as I did so long ago in many of my earlier posts. I made my position clear from the start. If you want to know what it was then read back through some of the older entries on here and you will see that you are repeating much of what has been said before. I apologise if having to explain things to an imbocile that cannot be bothered to research their facts before posting bores me.
24th Apr 07 09:04

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Ha

By the way, the fact that the rider COULD smack her whip onto the car says one thing to me - IT WAS WAY TOO CLOSE TO HER!!!!!!!!! MORON.
24th Apr 07 08:04

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sobie

I doubt you find horse poo right in the middle of the road on a blind bend pal! I *think* us horse riders wouldnt dare risk our lives being there! My parents are bikers and I myself have done basic motorcycle training so totally understand that things on the road can be a danger. However, this is something unfortunately which you must accept. You're not moaning about oil being left on the road or whatever are you?

Us horse riders have JUST as much right as you do to be on the road. I can assure you that the vast majority would rather NOT be on the roads at all! But with very limited off-road hacking then we don't have much choice.
24th Apr 07 08:04

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Pooing beast owner

What was here foist the horse or the car!!!!!!!!!!! If you dont like it then move, simple as!
24th Apr 07 08:04

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spiral

Actually fair of mind, your opinions are the ones that are weak and narrowminded. You have made no effort to learn or understand the position of horse ridersor know anything about what's involved in owning a horse.

You have been presented with concise, accurate facts from people who are experienced and know what they're talking about, and been unable to respond in kind. Which is in fact why you gave up arguing any actual points quite some time ago and are now merely ranting about how awful and wrong we all are with absolutely no justification to back yourself up.
24th Apr 07 07:04

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fair of mind

Nikki... I never offered to give you a link about horse nappies. That was somebody else. At least read the posts and who they are from before you start to pontificate yor weak and narrow minded opinions
24th Apr 07 07:04

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Nikki

Fair of Mind:

I AM STILL WAITING FOR THE LINK TO THE WEBSITE ABOUT HORSE NAPPIES.

I am beginning to think you are as full of horse's droppings as this gripe is!

You accuse Spiral of not being bothered to read - I would appreciate you pointing me in the direction of the horse-friendly nappy info. so that I CAN read up about this wonderful and very inventive device (probably as inventive as your imagination, judging by the length of time you are taking in coming up with the link!).

And what has owning a horse got to do, or not do with the argument? I don't own a horse either, and have only ridden twice briefly in the past 3 and a half years - are you suggesting that somehow this prevents me from having an opinion on the completely nerdy subject of how disgusting (not !!) horse poo is?
24th Apr 07 07:04

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3cc's

Horse poo is completely organic unlike the crap that engines spew forth . Drive slowly and look where youre going and you should be able to miss driving through it. Now, cow dung is slippy!
24th Apr 07 06:04

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Blue Peter

The real reason for your gripe is given away in your reference to "upper class country folk" - pure prejudice. Of course some horse owners are rich and upper class - possibly compared to those riders of big BMWs and Ducatis??? The reality is that horse riding is one of the most popular leisure activities in the UK, and growing rapidly, and that the average rider/owner is very far from upper class or wealthy. But perhaps its "country folk" that you object to? What out-dated stereotypes you must be basing your views on!

Horse manure is a healthy fertiliser, so all those country gardeners should be getting out on to the road with their shovels! The danger doesn't compare with the oil mist that so many cars and bikes distribute on the surface. The fact is that riders, bikers, pedestrians, truck and car drivers ALL have to use the roads, all can create greater or lesser degrees of hazard, and we just have to try and co-exist with one another and behave with as much sensitivity and respect as possible. You are not a good example of this, sadly, as I can say that local to me in Sussex the bike riders are the real "knights of the road", and drive with care and consideration around horses.
24th Apr 07 04:04

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Nag Nag nag

My, apt subject as writer seems to begood at producing a load of sh!t!

Roads were created for transport back in the old days when horses were the means that most stuff travelled. You still see today remains of Turnpike buildings alongside roads so riders cart/carriage drivers could pay the toll fee.This type of revenue started off road improvements.

Because of this starting our road network, horses have more right to be on the road than any motor vehicle and are allowed on roads BY RIGHT whereas vehicles are only permitted to use them BY LICENCE - ie your road tax.

Now I drive a truck, swear, am the product of council estate parents, work in a crappily paid office situtation, drink pints and am not stuck up/posh/a toff/ that some seem to think make up the horse community.

Have a look at a map and see how many bridleways go nowhere/don't join up and then explain how we get from one to the other without roads? Plus as most horse owners don't own any land - why should farmers let us trespass on their land instead of using the roads?

I live in the countryside, horse and cow sh!t are expected here and if people don't like it - go live in some concrete paradise where there are no animals.

If I can live with motorbikes, lorries, buses and cars passing me on the road - they can live with me and my horse. Horse poo ain't toxic, its totally biodegradeable, washes away in the rain, and is usually removed round here for peoples roses.

I've never in my life heard of someone so stupid and so crap at driving - or driving too fast, thats had an accident caused by a horse dropping.

Personally I think horse nappies are inhumane not to mention dangerous.
24th Apr 07 04:04

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Rema.

Oh for christ sake get over it!.I am a biker and have been for many years.I am also a horse rider/owner.Maybe you should get yourself some lessons on your bike because it sounds like you cannot ride it properly!.It is alright for bikers to overtake a ling of traffic on a blind bend but abit of crap and you all go to pot!.Horse crap is no more dangerous to bikers than manhole covers or white lines.It's just how you ride the bike that makes a differance to whether you come off or not.Get a life or get off bikes.
24th Apr 07 04:04

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spiral

I'd also like to add that I think it is completely stupid that "fair of mind" and the like are claiming Nikki etc 'have an answer for everything and won't listen' - I don't see any of you making any efforts to understand the other side of the argument!
24th Apr 07 03:04

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flintus

I wouldn't have a gripe if you bike user's had more courtesy and passed WIDE and SLOW and not coming within an unsafe distance of me and my horse. In my neck of the woods we call you organ donors. You drive at un safe speeds in a quet rural area, if its not the ecceleration of the bikes you ride, its the scrreching of the brake should you happen to meet us on a road that scare our horses. What about your emissions of the bike you ride and damage you are creating to our enviroment, the very enviroment we enjoy being out in whilst riding our horses? and think twice before calling spiral a pillock, she isnt the one having a mid life crisis dressing up head to toe in leather every day. have you looked at accidents involving horses and bikes and the accident rates and fatalities to horse, rider and biker? and please can you show me the accident stats for those bike riders who have come a cropper riding over horse muck
(tumble weed)
didnt think you would find any
24th Apr 07 03:04

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spiral

Oh please Fair of Mind, your argument is nonsensical and you still haven't even provided any information about these alternative nappies. I cannot imagine any such device being practical to wear for a horse who is not just walking quietly along roads, but also galloping through fields and jumping fences, much as one often does on a hack.

Fair of mind? hardly, you're clearly biased and bigoted against anyone who owns or rides a horse. You do not own the roads, and it is not illegal for horses to poo on them as it is not harmful, so you can gripe about it all you want, but you're not going to get your own way.
24th Apr 07 03:04

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Neds Forever

a nappy device???!! seriously. LOL

I am a horse rider and a motorist, I have also been a biker in my time. Horse manure on the road is hardly an epidemic, whereas people who drive too fast and are inconsiderate to other people ARE at epidemic proportions.

Maybe you could stop moaning about a little bit of horse poo and try and understand your fellow man a bit more. We all have to live on this planet together and a little uderstanding and compassion goes a long way.
24th Apr 07 03:04

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Peter the Trucker

I prefer to see horses being gently ridden along the roads at a nice slow speed rather than motorcycles racing along them. Most horse riders are courtious unlike motorcyclists who I find are intimidating. Motorcycles emit dangerous fumes where as horses dung is safe and can be used as a fertilizer. Lets put the road tax up for motorcyclists because of the noise and fumes they cause. In fact let's just ban motorcycles and make them all use push bikes.
24th Apr 07 03:04

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fair of mind

spiral... it's a pity that there are too many people like you in this country that cannot bother to read!
My argument is that there is no reason why horses cannot wear the 'nappy' device if taught from a young age. Even Nikki agreed with me eventually on that point. If they do that then there would be no mess on the road which would mean no reason to gripe, which inturn would mean that I would not have to put up with pillocks like you.
Mmmmm... I wonder if you own a horse???
24th Apr 07 03:04

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spiral

Fair of Mind etc - you are being pathetic. Because you cannot respond to Nikki's argument and very sensible, practical points, you resort to dismissing her as a know-it-all - very mature!

Nikki clearly does know a lot, and she makes sense.

It is completely ridiculous to expect riders to pick up horse poo on the roads, for reasons previously mentioned. It is far too dangerous.

Horses have every right to be on the roads, its pathetic to whine about it. Its just a shame there are so many ignorant people in this country who aren't willing to make any attempt to learn.
24th Apr 07 03:04

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kate

How can a horse whip cause 'extensive damage'? The driver must have been very close to the horse for the whip to even touch it, and the only extensive damage would have been from the actual horse. Perhaps your friend needs glasses?

Horses were on the roads way before cars and bikes. I bought my children a pony as I would prefer them out in the fresh air than sat on thier bottoms playing computer games or watching TV. But to access countryside we have to go on the road.
The amount of times people come flying past at 60mph in a 30 zone sickens me.

The majority of horse riders wear Hi Viz, I do not see cyclists wearing this.

And those who cycle race. I am sure the lycra squeezes too hard in the place where their brains are positioned...in their testicles.....
24th Apr 07 01:04

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Nossie

Let's face it, motercycle fumes are a very real hazard to athmatics. Horse poo, by comparison, cannot be smelt unless 1) there is a big pile of it or 2) you put your nose up very close to it.

Motercycles also produce a lot more fumes, which they then proceed to spread over the road. Horses only spread a very small amount of poo around per horse on the road.

I cannot see what the problem is here. Maybe motercyclists should be forced to clean up their fumes—and certainly, until they do this, they should leave the horse riders alone.
24th Apr 07 01:04

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Peter-james Wright

A response to horse muck on the roads. If I have to put up with the sound of speeding bikes, YES speeding bikes who always come too close and rarely slow down to at least 15mph then I'm sure you can put up with a bit of muck, if your not driving too fast you should be able to see the much well in advance, even on a bend I would advise you take it slowly. After all there could be a horse in the road.

I also have just as much of right to be on the road as you do, I too am a road tax payer. As for the person hitting the car with a whip, the average whip isn't much longer than 50cm, so the driver must of been extremely close to the horse for the person to be able hit the car.

I rode out last year with a friend, when a bike got so close to my friends horse who tried to kick him off it, the horse panicked as he came within 2 feet of his back end and side.... sensible riding? I think not, so maybe you should answer this question... If I have to put up with your sh**, then maybe you should be able to put up with mine?
24th Apr 07 01:04

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sarahs

You narrow minded fool !
I live in the surrey countryside but work in Mayfair, I see a number of mounted police patrolling the streets, so instead of trying to keep the streets safe you expect them to be picking up horse poo from the streets !! and I actually like to see it on the roads - makes me jealous that someone has been out for a nice hack!
Also if your idiotic friends car was hit by the riders whip he was obviously driving to close!
Its people like you that give motorcyclists a bad name, and instead of moving over to let someone on a bike through when in traffic im going to stay exactly where I am, just incase its you!
Get over yourself !
24th Apr 07 01:04

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Nikki

I can't believe I am doing anything so sad as to discuss a perfectly harmless substance like horse poo in my lunchbreak - neither can my work colleagues. I really must get out more.
24th Apr 07 12:04

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Sparklet

How worrying that your speed doesnt allow for poo avoidance - pity the walkers, cyclists and riders you meet on your travels who require a greater degree of negotation as they are larger. How do you cope with mud and road kill?
24th Apr 07 12:04

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Nikki

Well Fair of Mind, and all you other anti-horse nerds, it looks like I'm not just one lonely voice crying in the wilderness after all. By the way Fair of Mind, I am still waiting for this link to the poo bag contraption you were talking about - I've done a Google, and can find no link to such a device.

Great posts guys, keep 'em coming. Incidentally, to show just what a nerd I am too I conducted a little poo experiment at the weekend. Saturday and Sunday were dry, and I noticed out on the set aside a pile of the proverbial horse deposit. I had yesterday, Monday, off work, and it rained most of the day in my part of the woods - light drizzle, but almost continuous. It carried on through part of the night and this morning when I took the dog out before going to work I thought I would see what had happened to dobbin's droppings. Lo and Behold Lord be praised - A Miracle Hath Surely Taken Place! Said droppings were well and truly on the way to becoming good nourishing food for tomorrow's cornflakes. Now, Dear Readers, please bear in mind that nothing had come along to flatten or in any other way speed along the process of degradation of said poo (unlike on the road, where it would have been flattened and mashed into the tarmac by now), nature had taken its course and the worse of the pile had vanished. Unlike the mountains of dog deposits littered all around, which remain there for weeks before breaking down (I'm not complaining, I love dogs, just stating fact).
24th Apr 07 12:04

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biking horse rider

I'm a horse rider (38 years), a biker (32 years) and a car driver (26 years).

Horses are an ecologically friendly and ancient form of transport. They have a waste product which spills on the road. It's not that long ago that bikes worked on a waste oil system as well - have you got a bottle on your crankcase breather? The Scott chain oiler dumps oil on the road and many of the older bikes had permanent oil leaks - well my vintage ones did! And then there's those smoky two strokes which lay down a film of oil . . . .

As for coming round a corner and finding a nice slishy poo in the road; grow up, it happens, it could also be a nice diesel spill, half a dozen bricks, a couple of hundred weight of grain, a pool of oil from an accident. If you can't see that the road is clear then you should slow down. If you want to go fast on a road that you can guarantee is either free from obstruction or flagged when it's not then get a racing licence - I did.

I also take issue with your friend's car being hit by a rider - just how close did the car get! Go away and read your Highway Code and then read it out to your friend. "Extensive damage" caused by a thin piece of plastic - difficult to see how!
24th Apr 07 12:04

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your a muppet

"All you can do is hope and pray"

Might be safer to just slow down (bet you didn't think of that one!) than taking your hands off the handle bars to pray!
24th Apr 07 12:04

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madlady

Oh really how silly is all this! Are people REALLY suggesting that horses be banned from the road?? Or that horse riders dismount and pick up the horse muck? Firstly how dangerouse would that be - I bet none of you friendly bikers would offer to hold a horse whilst a rider did this would you? So to get it straight you want riders to dismount then try to hold onto a horse while they shovel up muck and put it in a sack then get on the horse again, and the next thing you know we'll have complaints about loose horses on the road. What a joke this is, other than pushbikes horses are the most eco friendly transport about, I may not pay road tax for my horses but I do pay insurance. How about bikers having a plastic tube from their exhaust to their helmet so that others don't have to breathe their fumes........
24th Apr 07 12:04

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hho member

As you say, a horse has a brain of it's own which from reading your stupid little rant is more than can be said for you. What an arrogant little prat you are. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you refer to horse riders with such hostility? You obviosuly have issues ranging much further than a dislike of horse cr@p on the road..... maybe sort your own sh1t out before complaining about others.
24th Apr 07 12:04

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lzt

Horse poo is basically just chewed up grass and it degrades very quickly so I honestly don't see the problem. A decent shower of rain with normally see it washed away! It is NOT comparable to dog poo which represents a very real health hazard.

All the comments about horse riders looking down their noses at car users is utter rubbish and no doubt stemmed from some peoples' unfounded inferiority complex where anything to do with horses is concerned. Pathetic.
24th Apr 07 12:04

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spiral

Fair of Mind etc - you are being pathetic. Because you cannot respond to Nikki's argument and very sensible, practical points, you resort to dismissing her as a know-it-all - very mature!

Nikki clearly does know a lot, and she makes sense.

It is completely ridiculous to expect riders to pick up horse poo on the roads, for reasons previously mentioned. It is far too dangerous.

Horses have every right to be on the roads, its pathetic to whine about it. Its just a shame there are so many ignorant people in this country who aren't willing to make any attempt to learn.
24th Apr 07 12:04

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Rebecca

Is there any need to be quite so rude?

The simple reason that horses should be allowed on the roads is that in the majority of cases Horses were there first before both the Car and the Motorbike!

Most Horse owners also pay road tax as the also have motor vehicles so please don't think you are paying our way or subsidising us. I too ride motorbikes but also ride horses and think that your statement is far to overgeneralised. Manure on the roads is far less harmful to the environment than the emissions from bikes and cars so may I suggest that you ride at a more sensible speed through villages in order to avoid a tragic end!
24th Apr 07 12:04

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flintus

If I have to put up with the sound of speeding bikes, yes speeding bikes who always come too close and rarely slow down to atleast 15mph then im sure you can put up with a bit of muck, if your not driving too fast you should be able to see the much well in advance, even on a bend I would advise you take it slowly, after all there could be a horse in the road. I also have just as much of right to be on the road as you do, I too am a road tax payer. As for the person hitting the car with a whip, the average whip isnt much longer than 50cm, so the driver must of been extremely close to the horse for the person to be able hit the car. So maybe you should answer this question...if I have to put up with your crap, then maybe you should be able to put up with mine?
24th Apr 07 12:04

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M_M

How can you compare horse poo to dog poo?! Horse poo is digested GRASS!!! Hardly the health hazard that dog poo is! Move to the city if you want to get away from it! We also pay our taxes you know, so you can't use that! :/
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