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Would you give up your seat on a bus or train?

I use public transport to get to work during the week, and as a regular commuter I like to think of myself as a considerate and conscientious passenger, and as such I will not think twice about offering my seat to someone less able bodied or a pregnant woman. Also whenever passengers are leaving the train, I will allow them to exit first and will support mothers with buggies on the stairs or those with heavy luggage.

Some may call me old fashioned but if I am standing waiting for a seat and a woman is too, I will let them take the seat ahead of me. Perhaps I am in a minority of people who do this, but I don't think that it is a particularly bad habit and if more people did the same the world would be a more civilised place. This week, however, an incident occurred which made me think, am I just being a mug offering my seat to a woman before me?

A seat on a train On a journey I was on recently the train was very busy and I was standing throughout a good few stops. A woman came on board and eventually a seat became available. I gestured to the woman to let her know that she could take the seat; she then sat down and just glanced up at me without so much as a thank you. Afterwards I thought did I do the right thing by offering my seat or is it every man/person for themselves in this society? Should I just accept that with equality offering my seat is plain condescending and I should not expect a word of thanks?

Interestingly I told a group of young male offenders who attend a workshop that I run this story. Nearly all of them said that they would not have bothered giving up a seat and some would have (in other words) given this woman a piece of their mind if asked to move - this is something I would never do.

What do people think?

By: Funkg

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Passenger; I totally agree with you. People should move over if other people want to sit down. NOT hog the seat. P.S. It's 'aisle' not 'ilse' and 'indicated' not 'indecated'.
Sorry, just being picky.

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raging kiwi - 21-Dec-11 23:37 

I´m 28 and wile using crutches for the last 2 months, women on buses have let me stand on one leg and not even looked as I nearly fall over and they hog the disabled seats

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me - 16-Dec-11 23:20 

Lately, on a nuber of occasions, I have arrived at public events as much as two hours early in order to get a good seat. Although more than half of the seats are unoccupied, no matter where I attempt to sit, I get told "This seat is saved!. You can't sit here!"

I thought that unless it was reserved seating, it was first come, first seated. Just where do these idiots think they have the right or authority to tell me I cant sit there because they don't want me to! Could I then come in just before the program starts and tell them "get out of that seat. I want it." What is the difference?

How can these idiots think they are so important, they can come at the last minute and have seats waiting for them because everyone is supposed to cowardly slink away to let them have it.

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Grandpa - 17-Oct-11 18:12 

Are you employing a little irony there Chris or did you mean it?

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Carrot - 3-Jun-11 22:40 

Bernard, older people have made a choice to grow old and need seats. It was their choice, so they should damn well stand too.

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Chris. - 3-Jun-11 22:31 

Pregnant women have made a choice, they can damn well stand if the bus/train is full.

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Bernard - 3-Jun-11 06:58 

The passengers who sit on the ilse seat and leave the window seat free when they can clearly see people would like to sit down. I once confronted an eldery lady in this situation and indecated I would like to sit down, she pretended she didn't hear me and put her shopping bags on the free seat! It's not just the younger ones it's the elderly who get my goat!

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Passenger - 2-Jun-11 09:44 

I think your behaviour is right and nice. As a teenager I used to do the same thing, and on in my twenties and thirties. I am an able-bodied fit and healthy woman, so I don't need to be offered a seat but am appreciative of people who do. I honestly think it's nice and considerate, not patronising at all. I do find that most people are appreciative, some decline (as I usually do), some people just sit down as if it was their g0d-given right, and there are a often a bunch of folk on the bus who don't even seem to realise that there are elderly or less-abled folk standing while they (teens/20's/30's) are taking the seats. Are they selfish, oblivious or unsure of what to do?
Unfortunately I have recently heard tales of a few folk being verbally abused while offering a seat to someone. I think it is a bit sad that people are are made to feel afraid of being considerate incase it's taken the wrong way.
Personally though I think it's nice to do this. It does brighten alot of people's days, it's only a minority that are either too inconsiderate to acknowledge you or are offended. If there were more people like you society would be that bit brighter :)

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Critter - 25-May-11 18:20 

as a teenage girl, i've often given up my seat to the elderly/disabled/parents with young children. I don't see why I should give up a seat for someone just as able to stand as I am though.

i also say "thank you, but i'm fine standing" if someone offers me their seat, as a little old lady once did. I doubt she'd still be upright when the bus pulled off, she had a zimmer!

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leah - 17-Mar-11 15:01 

I don't give up anything for anyone! There was a time when I would do so without hesitation.

Not anymore as I'm no longer soft and gulIible. In fact, I don't have one good word to write about anyone except myself. I like it this way, I know where I stand.

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Wolfy - 21-Feb-11 23:36 

There is nothing wrong with your behaviour, but it is old fashioned, and frankly you are likely to be taken advantage of. Women don't expect you to give up your seat (we aren't in the eighteenth century any more). Some girls are actually be patronised by it. If you give up your seat for her, you are implying that she is weak and fragile and incapable of standing up. The exception to this is if she is pregnant or elderly.

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Sam - 14-Feb-11 02:28 

Nothing wrong with a bit of chivalry :)
I was brought up to offer my seat to a lady or some one less able than myself and in most cases a nice thank you is offered in return.
I have noticed in this world of female equality that the odd lady would be slighted by my actions and would think I was being condescending. However it is an extremely rare reaction and wont stop me from doing it again in the future.

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Scrungy - 11-Feb-11 15:48 

I do give up my seat quite alot but sometimes I feel, why should I be the one that always gives up my seat? What about the rest of these passengers who either pretend they don't see them by burying their faces into their Metros or pretend they are asleep? Karma will get them one day.

The other tricky one is when they look old but not too old and you don't want to offend by offering them your seat. Or are they fat or pregnant? Have you ever come across this dilemma?

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sonny - 7-Feb-11 12:57 

Nope DSG, I can't say that I have. That must be a rare occurance though, they usually mumble to themselves or each other. Never ever observed an elderly person attack anyone outside of a hospital.

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Anon - 5-Feb-11 21:41 

You obviously haven't been attacked by an elderly lady with a handbag. It hurts. A lot.
Doesn't quite hurt as much as a broken jaw,nose and wrist sprains.

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DSG - 5-Feb-11 21:29 

First time I gave up my seat to a female elderly lady was at the age of 11. About 3 minutes later, the bus T-boned a small skip lorry that failed to stop at a junction.

I felt so grown up giving my seat to this lady. So proud. Imagine my suprise and feeling far from proud, 20 minutes later down A+E with a broken jaw, nose and serious sprains on my wrists.

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Anon - 5-Feb-11 21:13 

You are not the only one who has decent values in life. I go through the same thing every morning on my way to work. This is the world we live in, perhaps in years to come we will be a reminder of what its like to be a gentleman. Good manners cost nothing

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shadow - 2-Feb-11 20:55 

Dear James,

Did they complain that the driver didn't offer his own seat too?

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Grumpy xx - 31-Jan-11 19:12 

I was once on a bus with my mum and my sister. The bus was completely empty apart from two old women who got on after we did. When they were getting off, they complained to the driver that we didnt offer the seats to them.

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James G - 31-Jan-11 12:48 

Although Congo abhors public transport of any kind he has, on occasion, had to suffer trains and would have gladly surrender his hard-won seat for a lady. Determining however, if the female in question is a lady or not is of course paramount to avoid the situation experienced by the unfortunate griper.

Matters are eased considerably if the person is crippled or very elderly.

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Congo - 31-Jan-11 11:28 

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