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Work shy on benefits versus us proud workers

A few news headlines have been brought to my attention that quite frankly make me sick.  The one that springs to mind is the one about the jobless couple raking in £815 a week in benefits and yet moaning they don't have enough money.  Here's a little bit of history though, perhaps you'll understand why I am so angry at this.

About a year a go my brother was unemployed and actively seeking work.  He'd been for loads of interviews and those jobs included minimum wage jobs.  Part of the problem is that he lives in mid Wales and to be honest there isn't really much in the way of employment there anyway.  He's a skilled engineer but he was prepared to take whatever he could to earn a living.  It's not easy finding work in the middle of a recession when you're close to retirement age anyway, but in that part of the country, at that particular time things were particularly difficult.  Anyway, he'd had an interview at a local Tesco which had just been built and was about to take on staff.  Unfortunately he wasn't successful (sheer numbers I suspect) but the main problem was that his unemployment benefit and housing benefit was cut because of some sort of communication problem.  Apparently the fact that he'd been for the interview hadn't been registered.

A pile of money As I said, things were pretty tough up there anyway and at the time he lived in a remote location and didn't have transport.  He had to spend what little cash he had on buses (very few of these) to sign on and go to interviews.  Whenever he tried to contact the job centre to get it all sorted out, he was passed from pillar to post, someone would ring back, there's nothing we can do etc.  etc.  He even ended up getting in touch with the guy at Tesco who interviewed him to try and sort it out, but the job centre were adamant that he wasn't looking for work and that was it.

The outlook was bleak, no money, none coming in and no job.  Also, it was November and the weather was starting to get cold in Wales.  Did I mention that my brother is also a diabetic?  This wasn't a good position to be in at all!

Things weren't going to great for me either.  I'm self employed and don't earn a lot myself (probably less than 10K a year).  I had a tax bill coming up as I barely earn enough to live on anyway, I had to do some temping to earn the cash to sort that out and pay off my overdraft.  Luckily with the extra temp work I was able to arrange to have a bag of logs sent to my brother that week just as a big freeze took hold.  He was spending a lot of time wrapped up in blankets just trying to keep warm.  I dread to think what might have happened otherwise.

working in a factory on a minimum wage...

Personally, I've never ever claimed benefits and always managed to get some kind of work.  Even if it is working in a factory on a minimum wage.  Luckily there's plenty of that around where I am if you're prepared to do it.  I'm aware that some people aren't.  Last November I was up at 5 every morning cycling through the snow and whatever to do a manual minimum wage job to pay my bills.  My brother and I are quite prepared to do this as there's a sense of pride in our family.

It just makes me so angry when I read these news headlines about families living off the state in nice houses with all the comforts of home including Sky TV, games consoles and hundreds of pounds to live off.  Then on the other end of the scale the help that is supposed to be available for people actually looking for work (my brother for example) just isn't there.

I also remember reading an article at the time about a family of asylum seekers living in a luxurious home worth millions.  Okay, the tabloids are all about sensational headlines and I'm sure these are minority cases (I hope), but the fact is that our benefit system is quite screwed up.

I'm off to my temp job now again.  Tax has to be paid after all so that some can live in luxury!

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Just think: It's The Weekly Gripe, and a place to moan. If you don't like it go somewhere else and perhaps you should learn to spell while you are at it!

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Nick - 6-Oct-11 09:58 

Why did you spend time writing a whiney sob story about youself and brother? I hate benifit scroungers too but because some famailies get loads of money on benifit doesn't mean they are scoungers. For all you know that famaily could have a little girl with cancer, a son with depression (because his sister has cancer and is dying and he loves her) and the parents could be uneducated (because they had no acess to good schools) and so can't get better jobs and need to look after their kids etc. The really baby sounds like you. Quit moaning. If you have time to complain you have time to get off your fat ass and vulenteer in a charity.

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Just Think - 25-Aug-11 20:32 

I can understand your anger, It does seem so unfair, but have you looked in detail at where the £815 you have quoted goes. I live in Oxford, here the rents are high and a two bedroom privatly rented house would cost £850 too £1,500 per month. which does not leave very much for the luxuarys of life like food or clothing, sorry I forgot council tax.
Poiverty is not a choice, if you were given the choice between poverty or wealth, Which would you choose?
It is easy for a government, the rich and educated to blame those in society who are least able to defend them selves. In schools this is called bullying . Any third world country would be condemed for what the Last foiur imoral goernments have got away with here in Britain,
I dont know how to mend these wrongs, but we could look towards the wealthy, industrialists and bankers who continually steal from the poor, whilst blaming the same poor for their wrongs

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not a cominist - 18-Jun-11 22:07 

DSG, Have a look at other JETHRO posts. I think even you will realise that there are people who like to pose as someone else because they haven't guts to sign thier own name. The nutter below is a looney.

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The (real) JETHRO - 19-Feb-11 11:50 

Jethro,what drug are you on?
There is no government conspiracy[except global warming]to "thin down" the population.
For goodness' sakes,stop trying to scare us with your moonbat conspiracy and contribute something useful!

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DSG - 14-Feb-11 16:37 

Sensationalist headlines? yes there are some who have abused the system, yes some get more than they are entitled to, but, by reforming the entire system its EVERYONE who will suffer.
The govt has for decades favoured the service and finance sector and allowed manufacturing to die, problem is 50 whizz kid bankers pay less tax than a factory employing a 1000 workers, a reduction in taxes recieved means less to pay out so a deficit occurs, best way to address this is to highlight the 0.0000001% of those claiming benefit who are having a good time at taxpayers expense and use it as an excuse to dismantle the entire safety net.
Anyone ever hear of a CEO losing their job because they were useless and not getting a golden handshake? and yet they dont claim benefits, it should be the same for all workers not a select few. if a company makes you redundant they should pay for retraining and pay you a better wage than national minimum until you find further employment
The national minimum is too low, londons living wage should apply to the whole country and economic immigrants should be shown the door, but the CBI would be asking for a few favours from MPs on the vote for that legislation came about

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tinker - 4-Feb-11 14:01 

Jethro, I think you forgot to mention that they intend to harvest our brains? Are you Orson Wells reincarnated or a relative of David Icke? You've certainly got one heck of an imagination that's for sure!!!!

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Mr_Bill_Asperger - 31-Jan-11 08:27 

Don't you people get it? They are trying to "thin down" the world population. Check it out on YouTube. They don't care what happens to "the little guy". They want rid of him so they can have their big pristine earthly forest. They have already used us to build their nice big cities and industries, fight their wars, and they let us get emphysema from working in their glass and metal factories while they reaped the benefits, they used us hard, and now they're through with us. They want us dead. They got what they wanted. Now they want their rich world for themselves. We're just in the way now. How's that for the thanks we get? You haven't even begun to see injustice yet. Give it another decade and we'll be lucky if any of us poor folk are alive.

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Jethro - 24-Jan-11 19:43 

yo sushi, thee is not a single word you have said that I disagree with. The more I see with this coalition government, the more I realise that we are all vulnerable. Even if we keep our jobs, the likelihood is we will be working longer hours under much less favourable conditions. What has gone wrong with the UK when we have a bunch of privately educated toffs - many of them millionaires - running the country? What do they know about the humiliation of being unemployed, or working for the appallingly low minimum wage? David Cameron and Nick Clegg (especially him!) disgust me!

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miserablemoaninggit - 16-Jan-11 21:59 

yo sushi - there is a lot of truth in what you are saying and I think many people are going t have to eat their words when they lose their jobs and find how cold and unforgiving the world can be.

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Man Friday - 7-Jan-11 19:10 

Hi folks yo sushi should be prime minister being unemployed is a humiliating experiance and he is right to quote the bible to those who attack the unemployed proverbs chapter 8 verse 13, read matthew chapter 7 verse1 to 5, and proverbs chapter 16 and verse 5.I give anyone critising the unemployed 1 year. BEWARE.

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penguin - 7-Jan-11 09:53 

A message to anyone attacking the unemployed beware your time will come and hope it does. When I was in work I I had the same attitude I have been punished I suggest read the bible all you proud ones. Everyone on the dole is lazy I work hard I pay my taxes I am a hero, bla bla bla I had this view .The problem is Employers now treat workers like cattle now. They abuse you when its busy and lay you off when its not. Its called capitalism Under 12 months service you cannot claim unfair dissmissal. I personaly think every individule case is different. You have 3 catoguries 1 someone lost job no fault of there own handicapped disabled . why should he be forced into cheap labour. cat 2 a bloke who left job walked out because of abusive supervisor this is the most common.cat 3 the one who dont want to work at all and booze all day unemployed 5 years.
Unfotunatly this government funds rich orginisations like railways,banks,mickey mouse jobcentre workfare schemes run by a4e, reed in partnership asda, tesco,who employ 95per ethnics who are used and abused I feel sorry for them. The companies I have mentioned are cockroaches feeding off the poor.
This is what this counry is all about attack the poor. The rich banks are not accountable, mps fidiling expences are not accontable, police not accountable, train companys are not accounttable, employers are not accountable. Our transport system is laughing stock of europe 40 years behind. Only the poor disabled, handicaped are targeted.To lying coalision government your days are numbered.I am a cat 3 unemployed and will do my utmost to avoid working for the minimum wage for some greedy employer.I dont feel guity one bit. if you want to critisise unemployed lets swap places I bet a proud and posh in a comfy civil service non job who makes idle crisicism would not work for minimum wage these people have been programed to be robots with a one track mind.
By all means put the cat 3 lazy soap dodger in work even for minimum wage.

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yo sushi - 7-Jan-11 09:10 

Hi all I hav read some of the comments and basiclly here is what I think the goverment should go F***K THEMSELVES I have worked from I left school payed my taxes and nat insurance I got payed off had been out of work for about a week when I went to them for help started to claim job seekers allowance (jsa) started to sign on and those PR**KS make you feel about 2inch tall a think they forget I enjoy workin plus not to mention what £100 a fortnight whats that ment to do that aint going to pay my BILLS,SHOPPING, THAT WOULD NOT PAY F***CK ALL !!!!! then I had been out of work for about 2 months and I had found a job foned up on the friday started on the monday YES YES YES!!! told the job c about it and they go yeah gd thats fantastic if you need any money untill you get your first wage phone up this number and they will see what they can do a load of S**T if you ask me.

And as for the DIP Sh**t that posted this underneath.

POSTED BY I got loads of money , cause I got loads of kids ...innit

Listen up everyone.....Enough is enough and what makes anyone who is unemployed think that they entitled to anything?
I think that the whole benefit system should be completely scrapped. You dont work , you dont eat its that simple. ( exept for the very old, and I mean very old and the seriously disabled )
Nobody else gets a penny for any reason. They do this abroad and its about time it was the same here. So get off your a***, grow up and support youself , its not the responsibility of working people or the government to support you long or short term.

IF YOU THINK THAT THE WHOLE BENIFIT SYSTEM SHOULD BE SCRAPPED AND NOT SUPPORT THOSE IN NEED THEN WHY THE F**K SHOULD WE SUPPORT THE GOVERMENT WHY SHOULD I PAY MY TAXES AND INSURANCE TO THEM IF THEY WONT HELP ME WHEN I NEED IT ??? THINK ABOUT THAT YOU PR**k

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Open minded - 4-Jan-11 17:42 

i'm sorry things have been so hard for your brother and I hope they improve. I don't blame you, it bothers me also when I see people abusing the system. theres a tall bald guy in netherton and he and his girlfriend do this. they live in a council flat but take the bus to different towns every day to shop and eat fish and chips and drink in the pubs. so yeah I understand exactly where you're coming from about it making you angry. the 2 I mentioned could definiately work if they wished to but choose instead to let the govt support them.

i wish your brother the best and hope he gets the help he needs. it would be nice to see someone get help who deserves it for a change. good luck.

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lynz - 4-Jan-11 16:25 

I do not care what anybody says to get the generous benefits one reads about in the press you must tell lies to claim them. With most benefits you must guild the truth, To tell a lie in certain cultures is acceptable, we must understand this. Our system also lends itself to opening doors, in other words once you start lying the doors start opening to further claims. hence the big house or excessive benefits believe me the recipients will be liars. imagine what it would be like without our British press exposing the situation

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boblet - 4-Jan-11 12:13 

I don't understand why choosing not to claim government benefits is considered virtuous? When a person is in need as they have lost their job - why shouldn't they claim so they can eat/heat up the home? I will pay a lot of money in tax revenues over my lifespan, claiming while I am unemployed is one way of having a share of that back.

I am enjoying reading Weeklygripe's posts but be honest to yourself - you do not claim benefits because you are self employed and therefore not entitled to jsa (for example).

A self employed income of 10k can be potentially 30k, as many expenses will be tax deductible.

Some virtuous non-claimants, I suspect, have too much in savings to be able to qualify for state benefits.

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joddle - 4-Dec-10 21:16 

All of us working pay high tax, council tax, vat tax, your tax on money in banks, you`ve payed tax on already, road tax, stealth tax, so it`s good we have unemployment benefit taken from our tax, who cares why some people don`t work, even a trapeze acrobat has a net if he falls, so I hope it`s there when and if I need it, so when some of you dumb b*****ds out there are unemployed there`s no law saying you`ve got to go on benefit.

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REBEL - 1-Dec-10 18:51 

Hey mr real, I DO have a job but only after a year out of work in which I applied to nearly 600 jobs with no success (Only about 30 or so even replied back)
The fact is that the government diluted an already saturated job market by letting immigrants come here to work in an attempt to bring wages down just to please the corporations that funded their election campaigns.
Oh, and by the way I am working for peanuts and each month I am getting further and further into debt, so I can see why alot of people don't bother.

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angry guy - 29-Nov-10 21:43 

I.ll come to Tyneside and I bet I can find a job. and when I do Ill instruct the dole office to cut all benefits......1000s of migrants have found work in your area ..so whats your problem with not wanting to work?
and on the issue of violence, I think you have a rude awakening coming

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Geordy - 25-Nov-10 06:57 

Hey angry guy....I think the muggers and the criminals are the ones who will be afraid to walk the streets. In my area the normal working guy is ready to dish out serious bashings to these gutless wasters.

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Mr Real - 25-Nov-10 06:53 

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