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Cyclists and car drivers, a deadly mix

Let's put ourselves in each others' shoes.  Hoping this site is mostly read by thoughtful, fair-minded people, my gripe is an attempt to persuade some people who drive cars to think about one particular issue.  I should quickly start by accepting that many cyclists (drivers, bikers etc.) are thoughtless, selfish and take too many risks.  I am not trying to defend all cyclists.  However, having been hooted at and almost knocked off by a sober-looking middle-aged lady in a sedate family car, I realised that this is an issue that goes way beyond white vans and boy racers.  I really don't think this lady in any other circumstance would be keen to risk my life.

This often leads to driver frustration

Drivers tend not to realise that cyclists are instructed to leave enough space when passing parked cars to allow for a door to be opened suddenly.  This, of course, may mean that a cyclist will end up "in the middle of the road" in a narrow road.  This often leads to driver frustration.  Please please be patient.  (If the road is long a slower, thoughtful cyclist will hopefully pull over and let frustrated drivers through).

Cyclists and car drivers The irony of my particular situation is that I was cycling at 22 in a 20mph area and this lady was still trying to squeeze past me over speed bumps, round blind corners etc.  I managed not to swear at her, but just pointed out the limit was 20, and have to hope that she would later realise how her childishness made her dangerous.  It's all part of the inability to empathise with others.  So cyclists in a group who swamp an elderly driver at a traffic light by riding to the right, left and in front are being unkind.  Drivers who don't think about the possibility that a group of cyclists might be safer riding 2 abreast than single file and therefore hoot and, much worse, side swipe as they overtake "to send a message" are being unkind, and you will note the power relationship makes drivers 'unkindness' much more dangerous.  Thanks for reading.  By: Pedestrian

Drivers overtaking cyclists

I cycle a lot on narrow minor roads, as the Department of Transport recommends.  As every cyclist knows, the highway code gives little useful advice to drivers about overtaking cyclists, even police drivers show no consensus about how it should be done.  It should give clearer and more specific advice.  I can now say the the way most drivers decide when it is 'safe' to overtake is simple.

a) Arrive at the back the cyclist.  Is it safe to pass?  No, so wait.
b) 3 seconds have passed and I cannot see that I'll definitely hit something, so just go anyway.

As a result of this I have so far given my witness details to two oncoming drivers who were hit by drivers overtaking me, a third driver just couldn't wait to get away (something naughty!), and the fourth car that got hit was a police car.  That one resulted in a conviction for dangerous driving - well he hit a police car with two on board when overtaking on a blind bend, open and shut case. 

The funny thing is that all these drivers, when they get out of the car do the same thing.  They turn to me and say "This was your fault!".  By: RodgerTheDodger

Impatient car drivers

I cycle to work each day and it's approximately a six mile round trip.  During my journey I have to make use of a filter lane to turn right and frequently find myself amazed at the sheer selfishness displayed by many car drivers. 

I know that quite a few cyclists manoeuvre without indicating but I'm not one of them.  Well before I move into the filter lane I will put my arm out to indicate and at least several times a week some idiot driver behind me will still rush up and overtake whilst I am in the process of moving across into the lane.  If I were less aware of what was going on I would surely have been involved in a serious accident by now.  Are they in that much of a hurry to get where they are going that they can't wait an extra few seconds?

Another annoyance happens quite frequently at roundabouts.  I've actually moved onto the roundabout and a car (or lorry) approaches an exit that I am about to pass.  They don't bother stopping and are completely unaware of the speed that a bicycle can navigate around a roundabout.  It's as if they think "Oh, another cyclist, I'll just pull out in front of them because they're always slow".  By: Moth

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I find the "silly cyclists" site full of excellent advice and it should be recommended viewing for all biker riders. I don't know why it upsets them so much when it is run by a regular and very experienced cyclist, Gaz.

I suppose they resent the criticisms when all other cyclist's sites just criticise motorists and blindly take the cyclist's side regardless.

Car drivers could learn a lot from the vids as well, about how to help to keep bike riders safe.

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Sally - 4-Nov-11 13:27 

Cyclists should watch Gaz's "silly cyclists" videos on Youtube or his own channel regarding what not to do but also how to cycle safely.


This is episode 27 and the video is at the bottom of the page:

http://www.sillycyclists.co.uk/2011/05/silly-cyclists-episode-27/

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Pedestrian Pat - 24-May-11 14:06 

On modern roads cycling is impossible without using the primary position (centre of lane) through complex junctions etc. When you have learnt how to do it you can have the confidence to go anywhere. People not familiar with the terms primary and secondary position should read cyclecraft by John Franklin which is an excellent book. I always imagine if a car hits you from behind and you're in the middle of the lane it's pretty obvious who's at fault however motorists do seem to get away with murder.

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Fred E - 6-May-11 14:30 

I believe the words used were:

".....it also tests the ability of a cyclist to "stake his claim" and be a forceful presence on the road in order to comminicate his intentions...."

rather than:

..."cyclists are not encouraged to do dangerous things... they are encouraged to make themselves visible, place themselves in a prominent road-user position "

which is not quite the same thing.

"Staking a claim"?What claim?

This attitude is egtistical and quite irresponsible, not just for the foolish cyclist who may feel entitled to place himself in danger - and indeed few would care if he was injured by his own deeds - however by doing so he may cause drivers to take avoiding action from his "forceful presence" and thus endanger other more competent road users or pedestrians.

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Congo - 6-May-11 12:02 

In Holland, cyclists are now campaigning for cars to have airbags on the outside.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/04/22/us-dutch-cycling-idUKL2283695520080422

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Carrot - 6-May-11 01:19 

Actually, thinking about it, are people just paid to reply to new comments on this site so that people will feel incited to reply and drive up the number of "hits" to increase advertising revenue?

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Flash - 30-Mar-11 17:21 

You read it but you didn't get it... cyclists are not encouraged to do dangerous things... they are encouraged to make themselves visible, place themselves in a prominent road-user position out of the dangerous gutter area, making their intentions clear and understood for the sake of safety.
Often seen are cyclists of the timid type getting ever closer in to the kerb, slower and slower until eventually they have to stop and get off because the cars around them now own the road and the cyclist is left with no safe route. Not trying to be contentious or saying all drivers are dangerous or purosely inconsiderate... it's just the way things tend to transpire.
And yes some cyclists are idiots -but lets be grown up about it, it doesn't make them a viable target! All the more reason to applaud the above mentioned training.

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Flash - 30-Mar-11 17:18 

".....it also tests the ability of a cyclist to "stake his claim" and be a forceful presence on the road in order to comminicate his intentions...." spluttered 'Flash'

I only hope the cyclists accept their fate as they are squashed flat whilst indulging in such nonsense.

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Congo - 29-Mar-11 17:04 

Blinking Heck Flash you said you were never coming back, please don't say you are staying.
(He may never go then)

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Cynical Boblet - 29-Mar-11 16:39 

Incidentally, there are national competency tests for cyclists which are being rolled out around the country at schools and for adults.
I'm afraid motorists won't like it; as well as the usual road user stuff it also tests the ability of a cyclist to "stake his claim" and be a forceful presence on the road in order to comminicate his intentions and avoid being forced into unsafe situations unintentionally by drivers who may be less aware of the cylists needs.

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Flash - 29-Mar-11 15:46 

Bicycles were on the roads a long time before cars. Bicycles were the main mode of transport before cars took that title.
Cyclists are vulnerable road users (not surrounded by 2 tonnes of metal).
Cyclists now have to share their road with motorists.
NO ONE pays road tax - Winston Churchill considered it but believed it might give people the right to passage which he didn't want.
What you pay is variable vehicle excise duty based on emissions. Road maintenance is funded by general and local taxation - everybody pays for the roads. (anyhow most cyclists will also own a car).
There are bad cyclists as there are bad motorists - the difference being that the consequences of any car/bike collision are much much more serious for a cyclist (serious injury, brain damage, death) than they are for a motorist (minor collision, scratched paint).
Now I say this as both a cyclist and a motorist - It's not rocket science - vulnerable man on small metal frame vs protected man encased in tonnes of hard steel! FFS lets be reasonable -cut the cyclist some slack whether he's in the wrong or not!
Of course if this was a progressive country we'd have ample cycle lanes/routes that cars and bikes would always be suitably segregated.

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Flash - 29-Mar-11 15:39 

Britain sucks. Your offensive post has been removed.

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Jethro - 4-Feb-11 12:39 

Britain sucks, Grow up and stop trying to write like an imbesil,we all know you are an angry cyclist and you're post goes to prove it.And another thing, will you please start using anti-persipant,all that anger and exersice is not good for relationships.

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Jethro - 4-Feb-11 10:09 

" Jethro , you can bet that they don't show the police the tape when they are to blame, only when it is the motorist.
*Chris "

Don't you know cyclists are never to blame? It's always the motorist's fault, even when the Lycra Lout was in the blind spot, using a 'phone, weaving in and out, blocking the road, and has no grip because he's on stupid little tyres.

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MikeP - 1-Feb-11 15:34 

Jethro , you can bet that they don't show the police the tape when they are to blame, only when it is the motorist.

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Chris - 1-Feb-11 15:16 

Just seen a news review about cycle helmet cameras to prove who to blame for accidents. Cyclists want us car drivers to give them more respect. Simple, Pay for insurance and road fund tax as us car owners are forced to and then you can expect to be taken seriously!!

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jethro - 1-Feb-11 12:32 

Car drivers have all ( hopefully ) passed a test of competence to say they are capable of driving on the roads and understand the laws of the road. Anyone can get on a bike and go out into traffic, even if they are too young to read the rules of the road. I believe that all road users must pass the same tests of competence, understanding of the Highway Code and also have insurance. Equality for all and hopefully understanding for all.

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Alf Red - 22-Jan-11 17:31 

Cyclists are a pain. The problem is, that they are a hazard that people aren't used to dealing with that often. Personally I never know when it's safe to overtake, or how much room I should give them. Don't get me started on the wobblers.

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bob - 10-Dec-10 14:27 

Didn’t you know that there is one rule for “them” and totally different rules for the plebs?

The only thing that spoils their day is that no one has to actually play by their rules. It really annoys them!

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Chris - 15-Nov-10 19:03 

I am sure that any post relating to oxford where there is a requirement to brag about being an 'expert' will have been written by him and his multiple personas

He knows everything about eveerything you know

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anon - 15-Nov-10 18:34 

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