Bring back public health and safety films
|
My gripe is about the lack of concern for health and safety displayed by the governments. Every week we read of someone (usually a kid) in a fatal accident or being hurt. In the 1960s and 1970s we used to have all these short health and safety public information films on TV and personally I think that the BBC should re-introduce these. Some of them need only last twenty seconds to make their point, the examples below account for hundreds of lives being cut short every year. |
|
I could go on and on because there are hundreds of dangerous or fatal incidents each year from the above examples, but the governments of the day are only concerned about free carrier bags, wheelie bin inspectors, litter wardens and banning fox hunting etc. They no longer seem to be interested in promoting basic health and safety in this country. By: Gainsborough lad |
Comments from visitors
"for example 16 men playing football drowned under the ice in Gainsborough a few centuries ago."
A few centuries ago? So we should have public information films about it now?
I think most people know by now which actions are dangerous. Knowing isn't the problem; the problem is that most people think that they are exceptions and that nothing will happen to them. They are the ones who think they can drive with a burger in one hand, can of drink in the other, mobile phone under their chins and the steering wheel between
their knees.
We don't need public information broadcasts, just a sense of responsibility for our own actions.
A few centuries ago? So we should have public information films about it now?
I think most people know by now which actions are dangerous. Knowing isn't the problem; the problem is that most people think that they are exceptions and that nothing will happen to them. They are the ones who think they can drive with a burger in one hand, can of drink in the other, mobile phone under their chins and the steering wheel between
their knees.
We don't need public information broadcasts, just a sense of responsibility for our own actions.
+5
Click to rate 
Report
Health ?n? safety is not a joke. It has become, in effect, a killer. It will take more than one rather bland and incoherent report to restore this enfeebled nation to real safety and health.
+2
Click to rate Report
"If you are the same anon who says anything to provoke an argument you will know what "my beef" is."
I discuss. I provoke nothing. My opinion differs from others' at times. Do you want everyone to agree with you, too?
I discuss. I provoke nothing. My opinion differs from others' at times. Do you want everyone to agree with you, too?
+3
Click to rate Report
If you are the same anon who says anything to provoke an argument you will know what "my beef" is.
If not you are not should consider posting under another name.
If not you are not should consider posting under another name.
+2
Click to rate Report
grumpyoldwoman - 20-Oct-10 09:02
"Well, anon seems to have given up when he realised that I know what I'm talking about!"
I'm not sure I contradicted you, did I?
I enquired after your sources and in fact said, "Grumpy, I didn't quibble about your figures (though I'd be interested to see your source) because I didn't dispute them...and because I think that, unlike a lot of other people's, your posts are usually reasonably credible."
So, what's your beef?
I'm not sure I contradicted you, did I?
I enquired after your sources and in fact said, "Grumpy, I didn't quibble about your figures (though I'd be interested to see your source) because I didn't dispute them...and because I think that, unlike a lot of other people's, your posts are usually reasonably credible."
So, what's your beef?
0
Click to rate Report
Well, anon seems to have given up when he realised that I know what I'm talking about! If he's the same anon as appears elsewhere I think we all know he will say anything that comes into his head to cause an argument.
G. Lad, yes, you are right; but in those 69 days 600 - 700 also died in accidents in their own homes. As you point out, smoke alarms are very useful, especially in homes where people smoke, have open fires etc..
G. Lad, yes, you are right; but in those 69 days 600 - 700 also died in accidents in their own homes. As you point out, smoke alarms are very useful, especially in homes where people smoke, have open fires etc..
0
Click to rate Report
grumpyoldwoman - 20-Oct-10 07:12
Well maybe accidents in the home should be given a higher profile rather than the constant demonising of drivers!
The number of people who die from accidents in the home was given as 4,000 by the NHS, I had read somewhere a while ago that it was more like 3,000 so gave both figures. I have found the figure of 2222 road deaths in 2009 in various places; today on What Car's website. If you go back several years the figures for deaths on the road is always less.
I very rarely see any of these adverts on road safety that you refer to; the only one I can think of is the one with the little girl lying at the side of the road. I can't remember the figures used in this advert, but I know it was something to do with the driver's speed.
However I can tell you that the figures used in the Think! Speed campaign (possibly where this advert came from) were very out of date. The claim was that a pedestrian hit by a car travelling at 40 mph had an 80% chance of being ki11ed but only a 20% chance of being ki11ed by a car travelling at 30mph.. These figures are from the 1970's; since then cars have improved greatly and the current figures are 31% at 40 mph and 7% at 30 mph..
While it is still true that there is a big difference the figures fail to take into account the fact that a driver will usually have time to brake before the collision and impact speed will therefore be lower. This is from the Road Safety GB website.
So, alot of the figures given by Brake and others are generally lies or "massaged" statistics.
The new 20 mph zones currently being tried out are not a great success, by the way. They don't slow drivers down; they increase complacency among pedestrians who really need to look more before stepping into the road; they also bring speed limits in general into disrepute as they really should be confined to areas around schools at school times.
The number of people who die from accidents in the home was given as 4,000 by the NHS, I had read somewhere a while ago that it was more like 3,000 so gave both figures. I have found the figure of 2222 road deaths in 2009 in various places; today on What Car's website. If you go back several years the figures for deaths on the road is always less.
I very rarely see any of these adverts on road safety that you refer to; the only one I can think of is the one with the little girl lying at the side of the road. I can't remember the figures used in this advert, but I know it was something to do with the driver's speed.
However I can tell you that the figures used in the Think! Speed campaign (possibly where this advert came from) were very out of date. The claim was that a pedestrian hit by a car travelling at 40 mph had an 80% chance of being ki11ed but only a 20% chance of being ki11ed by a car travelling at 30mph.. These figures are from the 1970's; since then cars have improved greatly and the current figures are 31% at 40 mph and 7% at 30 mph..
While it is still true that there is a big difference the figures fail to take into account the fact that a driver will usually have time to brake before the collision and impact speed will therefore be lower. This is from the Road Safety GB website.
So, alot of the figures given by Brake and others are generally lies or "massaged" statistics.
The new 20 mph zones currently being tried out are not a great success, by the way. They don't slow drivers down; they increase complacency among pedestrians who really need to look more before stepping into the road; they also bring speed limits in general into disrepute as they really should be confined to areas around schools at school times.
+1
Click to rate Report
grumpyoldwoman - 15-Oct-10 16:42
"First you say smoking and road accidents are the biggest threats;"
Well admittedly I didn't spell it out but I meant that these are the high profile threats within the public domain, and thus "demand" government intervention.
"then you say that road accidents are a smaller threat than accidents in the home because the films/ads are working."
I didn't say that road accidents are a smaller threat than accidents in the home (you inferred that). I said that road accidents were a lesser threat at the figures you stated than they would be if there were no public safety films/ads keeping them in check. I elided the latter part, in the mistaken belief that my meaning would be credited to me.
Grumpy, I didn't quibble about your figures (though I'd be interested to see your source) because I didn't dispute them...and because I think that, unlike a lot of other people's, your posts are usually reasonably credible.
Well admittedly I didn't spell it out but I meant that these are the high profile threats within the public domain, and thus "demand" government intervention.
"then you say that road accidents are a smaller threat than accidents in the home because the films/ads are working."
I didn't say that road accidents are a smaller threat than accidents in the home (you inferred that). I said that road accidents were a lesser threat at the figures you stated than they would be if there were no public safety films/ads keeping them in check. I elided the latter part, in the mistaken belief that my meaning would be credited to me.
Grumpy, I didn't quibble about your figures (though I'd be interested to see your source) because I didn't dispute them...and because I think that, unlike a lot of other people's, your posts are usually reasonably credible.
-1
Click to rate Report
Make up your mind please anon!
First you say smoking and road accidents are the biggest threats; then you say that road accidents are a smaller threat than accidents in the home because the films/ads are working. Which is it?
Accidents in the home have been killing more people for years. You could have just tried admitting that I was right about the numbers!
First you say smoking and road accidents are the biggest threats; then you say that road accidents are a smaller threat than accidents in the home because the films/ads are working. Which is it?
Accidents in the home have been killing more people for years. You could have just tried admitting that I was right about the numbers!
-1
Click to rate Report
grumpyoldwoman - 15-Oct-10 13:35
"anon, unfortunately you still have no idea what you are talking about."
How do you arrive at this conclusion...and with such hostility?
How do you arrive at this conclusion...and with such hostility?
-2
Click to rate Report
"Yes grumpy, the road deaths would be much higher without the public safety films/ads."
anon, unfortunately you still have no idea what you are talking about.
anon, unfortunately you still have no idea what you are talking about.
+2
Click to rate Report
grumpyoldwoman - 15-Oct-10 12:26
"Actually, anon, in 2009 there were just over 2200 deaths on the roads in Britain, while accidents in the home account for between 3,000 and 4,000 deaths per year."
Yes grumpy, the road deaths would be much higher without the public safety films/ads. Smoking, of course is an addiction so education is less effective with those already addicted.
Yes grumpy, the road deaths would be much higher without the public safety films/ads. Smoking, of course is an addiction so education is less effective with those already addicted.
-1
Click to rate Report
Actually, anon, in 2009 there were just over 2200 deaths on the roads in Britain, while accidents in the home account for between 3,000 and 4,000 deaths per year.
Smoking related illness is still the biggest killer.
Smoking related illness is still the biggest killer.
-2
Click to rate Report
grumpyoldwoman - 15-Oct-10 11:12
GL, you'll be lucky. Smoking and road accidents are the big threats and so they get the attention. Maybe you could propose an 'Elf and Safety Channel...and watch it on your own.
+2
Click to rate Report
Twelve deaths in the last five years through tombstoning alone, not to mention all the deaths from other types of accidents mentioned on this particular thread,
But if you are flying an England flag with England written on it during the world cup, officials in some parts of this country will go to the trouble of ordering you to take it down.
But if you are flying an England flag with England written on it during the world cup, officials in some parts of this country will go to the trouble of ordering you to take it down.
-2
Click to rate Report
Gainsborough lad. - 13-Jun-10 21:49
The RNLI have just gone to the trouble of making a health and safety film on the dangers of tombstoning, jumping of piers and promanades onto the sand below, and crippling or killing oneself,
All we need now is the BBC to go to the trouble of showing this 30 second film, once a month for ever will do, Blackpool usually has a death or paralised stagnighter every year alone.
All we need now is the BBC to go to the trouble of showing this 30 second film, once a month for ever will do, Blackpool usually has a death or paralised stagnighter every year alone.
0
Click to rate Report
Gainsborough lad. - 13-Jun-10 21:04
Nice to see the governments and authorities taking health and safety seriously at last by banning the dangerous two hundred years old tradition of cheese rolling, no doubt this will save quite a few lives every year, well done and well spotted.
+1
Click to rate Report
Gainsborough lad. - 1-Jun-10 09:59
A car, whom a 42 year old man was working on underneath has just come off its supports and crushed him to death in Church broughton in the midlands,
This is an often repeated occurance in the UK, a public safety film highlighting this problem could hopefully reduce the times this happens,
A pile of two or three old wheels with tyres on their sides underneath the jacked up point on the car, "provides a perfect safety net" should the car slip off the often unstable axle stands or jack,
I have the trolly jack that jacks right up to over two foot high, then I slip a pair of large wheel ramps under the wheels, one facing the other way so there is no chance of movement,
Another senseless loss of life.
This is an often repeated occurance in the UK, a public safety film highlighting this problem could hopefully reduce the times this happens,
A pile of two or three old wheels with tyres on their sides underneath the jacked up point on the car, "provides a perfect safety net" should the car slip off the often unstable axle stands or jack,
I have the trolly jack that jacks right up to over two foot high, then I slip a pair of large wheel ramps under the wheels, one facing the other way so there is no chance of movement,
Another senseless loss of life.
-3
Click to rate Report
Gainsborough lad. - 25-May-10 12:30
Just been through my local cemetery and seen hundreds of grave stones with a big galvanised stake hammered into the ground behind the gravestone, and then a bright yellow nylon strap fastening the gravestone to the stake, presumably to stop the stone falling suddenly onto a child pulling or pushing the gravestone,
This must have cost thousands, I don't recall anyone getting ki11ed by a gravestone over the years, this is an example of health and safety spending cash in the complete wrong place, read all the previous comments on "bring back public health and safety films" and I am sure you will agree with me.
This must have cost thousands, I don't recall anyone getting ki11ed by a gravestone over the years, this is an example of health and safety spending cash in the complete wrong place, read all the previous comments on "bring back public health and safety films" and I am sure you will agree with me.
+1
Click to rate Report
Gainsborough lad. - 5-Feb-10 10:34
A corrected death toll from falling through frozen ice during the Dec-Jan cold snap is nine, this figure was taken from last nights seven o'clock weather documentry,
This documentry lasted an hour, the public health and safety film on keeping off iced up water lasts a minute, and widely shown could have saved up to nine lives.
This documentry lasted an hour, the public health and safety film on keeping off iced up water lasts a minute, and widely shown could have saved up to nine lives.
0
Click to rate Report
