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Sixth form students don't respect teachers

I am sick and tired of the lack of respect sixth form students show members of staff at their school.  It is not uncommon for students to swear, disregard rules, not do work and generally misbehave while in sixth form.  And whenever a member of staff tries to discipline them, the students accuse them of not respecting them and treating themrs like the adults they are.

One incident occurred in an English Literature lesson; the teacher was in an emergency meeting but had written the work on the board and along with a message assuring the class that she will be back before the end of the lesson.  From then on, instead of completing the set work, 95% of the class decided to sit and talk instead.  Approximately 20 minutes before the end of the lesson, the teacher turned up and decided to question the class on the passage they should have read and annotated in the hour and a half she wasn't there.  When she received no reply to her questions she had the entire class line up with their books ready to show her how much they had done.

Sixth form students swearing at teachers

Out of a class of about 20 only 3 people had done the assigned work. She spent the remainder of the lesson lecturing the class on respect and the importance of getting the work done, then she proceeded to keep the entire class in for detention, letting only the 3 students that had completed their work go.  Once the detention was over and the students returned to the common room, they then proceeded to whine and moan about how unfair their teacher was being.  I was one of the students in the class and was part of the lucky three that were let go.  And the whole time I was sitting there listening to them all moan about the teacher, I couldn't help but think that it would have never happened if they had shown her respect, the same respect that they wanted in return.

Another incident (one of many) was when a 'friend' of mine was speaking to her teacher and every other word was followed by obscenity.  I couldn't help but stare at her in shock, although relationships with teachers were slightly less formal than before, they certainly weren't so informal that one could simply curse and swear to them as though they were your drinking buddy.

When the teacher had then told her off for her language, my 'friend' reported them for inconsiderate behaviour...  I was both astonished and angry.  I can't help but wonder why these sixth form students suddenly feel as though the teachers have absolutely no authority over them and believe that they can do whatever they please.  I sincerely hope one day that this behaviour leads to the consequences they deserve and that they learn to respect those that they want respect from.

By: KP

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Three or four people in each class? Are you in a school sixth form? Private school? Clearly, not a sixth form college in which 20+ students for AS and A2 classes are now very common. Lucky you. Or not - I cannot see how there can be much 'lively debate' etc in such small classes. I'd say around 12 to 15 people should be about right for A level classes. As for your comments about using first names for teachers, I fully agree.

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miserablemoaninggit - 15-Nov-11 23:07 

I'm at sixth form at the moment, I have never seen anything like the behavior described here!
We address our teachers by their first name, I prefer it as it sets a slightly freindlier tone and considering there are only about three or four people in each class, its really quite sensible. We've all been at school long enough to realise that students and teachers are not equals and just because we call them by their first names, it does not make any difference to the respect we show them.
Having said that, one teacher refuses to be called by his first name and gives anyone who calls him by his first name, a huge lecture on respect. I have NO respect for that man. I refuse to address him as Mr.

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Seg - 15-Nov-11 14:53 

Sixth formers are just as badly behaved as younger teens, they're still kids.

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Lily - 22-Apr-11 01:44 

This reminds me of the time I was sent to the assistant headteacher's office for not saying thank you.She died in January.

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DSG - 22-Oct-10 12:04 

I think either my college was one of the good ones, or yours was one of the bad ones. Your college is completely the other side of the spectrum compared to what mine was like.

Rather than a sixth form attached to a secondary school, I went to a sixth form college and it has always been one of the most prestigious ones in our area. We had a first name relationship with our tutors but not so informal that we would swear with them. I've not seen the type of behaviour that you have descibed and alot of my friends went from our college onto universities such as oxford and cambridge.

If our teacher wasn't there, we did the work so that WE could do well and get into university. The sixth form students you talk of seem extremely immature and it doesnt sound like they will succeed in the future but I think for a lot of sixth form students, that is not the way they behave.

Maybe its just me and I went to an extremely good college, but im sure its not the norm for sixth form students to behave in that way.

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Elisa - 22-May-10 16:34 

"They watch far more television"? What is this? The 90's? We probably watch far LESS television than your generation. This is the age of the Internet.

Everything else was fine though.

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Pluvia - 5-Mar-10 02:09 

Achieving record results? Mmmm. Yet, they no longer read. Their attention spans are much reduced. They watch far more television. Their GCSE results are largely the result of spoon-feeding by high schools desperate to improve their standing on the national league tables. Wow! Well, yes James, let's not expect them to be abe to show some real independence (something they keep bleating about wanting) and expect to get down to a task. They simply are not capable of doing so. They need 'structure'. Hey! But stick them on a Xbox 360 or PSP, and they can concentrate for hours.

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miserablemoaninggit - 1-Oct-09 23:40 

And in other news, the Pope has been revealed as a Catholic...The example you use would pose the question "are you surprised?" To leave a bunch of hormonal teenage students for an hour and a half without any supervision is asking for trouble. It is disrespectful to expect them to sit for an hour and a half without any structure, even adults would fail to follow the instructions. I think we need to lay off the kids a bit, they're working hard and achieving record results after all. Maybe then they'll have our respect.

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James - 24-Aug-09 21:25 

Phil, each sixth form student is worth a certain amount of money. Sixth form colleges are funded upon the number of students who enroll and, more importantly, who complete the course. So, a student fully completing a course is worth more than a student who drops out, or is asked to leave. The answer to your question is quite simple. They are not asked to leave until their behaviour has reached an absolute 'extreme'.

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miserablemoaninggit - 19-Aug-09 22:36 

I'm with bk. When I was at school, if the maths teacher didn't turn up, we did the work, cause we respected him. If the unfair nob who taught history didn't turn up, we'd mess about. And if the senile fool who taught geography bothered to turn up.. well, half the time, he was convinced we weren't actually his class, so it wasn't our fault if he left again.

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Tallulah - 18-Aug-09 00:02 

KP wrote, "It is not uncommon for students to swear, disregard rules, not do work and generally misbehave while in sixth form". Is it common for those who do that to be asked to leave?

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Phil - 17-Aug-09 20:54 

Phil, that's good. Perhaps, then, we could have less of the pedantic correction of maths and grammar. Tedious, to say the least.

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miserablemoaninggit - 17-Aug-09 19:23 

MMG well yes I do realise KP is having a gripe and not entering an essay writing competition. :-)

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Phil - 17-Aug-09 01:36 

Well, if we're going to be pedantic, I really like Grumpy's turn of phrase 'gets on my goat'. Either 'gets my goat' or 'gets on my nerves'. I actually like the picture of something climbing onto a goat, though. May need to contact the RSPCA....

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Pedantic old cow - 15-Aug-09 14:49 

Phil, I would speculate strongly that you have been accused of being 'pedantic'. I bet your on the top of list for invites to dinner parties!

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miserablemoaninggit - 14-Aug-09 14:53 

Thank you KP for your stories. I sympathise. You are right. Sorry to hear about your frustration. You deserve better. So does your teacher, who was absolutely right.

Pardon me for nit-picking but I couldn't help noticing the following two points:

1. You wrote, "95% of the class decided to sit and talk instead". No. It was 85%. I'm sure you meant 95% as a turn of phrase but I was confused for a moment.

2. You wrote, "they then proceeded to whine and moan about how unfair their teacher was being". Not "was being", you meant "had been". The detention was over by then.

Anyway, thank you for telling us. It's nice to hear first hand, from a sixth former, for a change. Have you told your headmaster or headmistress you wrote about it here, and other people agreed, including another sixth former?

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Phil - 14-Aug-09 02:12 

No offence taken grumpy, I was just making a point, every parent of a child with a disability I know have to put up with stares, comments and downright rudeness when they dare to leave the house with their own child and it's not usually from kids, it's adults. In fact over the summer we have been to trampolene sessions,music groups, dance classes and safe cycling all of which have help from volunteers aged 15/16. I feel sorry for kids these days, they get put down so much and hardly any recognition for the good they do ( what would we do without all the young carers ? they save this country an absolute fortune) I think more adults need to look at their own attitudes, like the woman who wrote into our local paper recently whinging because she'd seen some kids fishing in our park lake, not that theres any fish in there except maybe the odd unwanted goldfish!!! And no, it's not illegal to fish in the park lake ( we still have a parky, he'd have soon sent them off ) Like most people she was just whinging for the sake of it. God I'd hate to be a child growing up in this miserable, finger pointing world. Oh and as for the comment that dyslexia dosen't exist ,I disagree, my brother has dyslexia , he was always very studious at school and did well at uni graduating with a bsc in Mechanical Engineering, he always has and always will struggle with reading and writing but has still managed to make the right choices and has a lifestyle I can only dream of!!!!

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dotty - 13-Aug-09 19:18 

I did sympathise with your position Dotty. I was driven by a taxi driver a few years back who spent his spare time bussing autistic kids children around town. He said they were really sweet and how hard parents found it to care for them. I do sympathise. I only mentioned the other problems because these so called conditions seem to dominate the headlines. I also listened to George Galloway's talksport show on Friday and Saturdays and last week's show was about the poor treatment carers get from the local authorities and the government. So I do understand your plight.

Sorry if I offended you.

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Grumpy xx - 12-Aug-09 22:46 

My son has severe autism, he has the speech and communication abilities of a 2/3 yr old but can read and write and his IQ is not far below the normal range and he's 8, he's a well behaved little lad his main problem is self harming when he gets stressed if there are too many people near him and he has no awareness of danger which can be a problem and also the fact he can't seem to walk more than two steps without falling over!!! Having said he has been brought up with a good routine, firm guidelines and strict parents! His condition can be a reason for him behaving in a certain way at times but it's never been allowed to be an excuse, i've met my fair share of the ADHD mums and they give us lot that care a bad name. But I didnt mention a d d or whatever, I mentioned children with real conditions who have to put up with comments from abusive and rude adults. Walk a day in my shoes THEN you'll be grumpy!!!

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dotty - 12-Aug-09 21:46 

I totally agree with Grumpyoldwoman. Kids have no respect for others, they aren't taught any respect for others and they have the audacity to expect teachers to respect them. I was brought up with a very clear message 'respect your elders and betters, if you don't you'll get a clip round the ear.' Old fashioned, I know. I remember how I resented hearing this when I was young. But, now that I'm older and I see and hear the way kids behave nowadays, with a total disregard for othersI could quite easily say the same thing to today's teenagers.

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Grumpy xx - 12-Aug-09 21:15 

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