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Gender equality, myth or reality?

No, I'm not against it the idea of gender equality.  Actually, I'm all for it.  I grew up amongst peers of both sexes whom I considered to be my equals and thought it would always be that way.  I thought we would have the same support, the same rights and the same opportunities.  How wrong I was.

See, the problem is I am male.  Whilst women enjoy an exalted status, support from government funded groups and who are celebrated for each success, men receive none of this.  Instead, society seems to want to mourn the fact that many men are still so successful.  The advertising media want to portray men as buffoons; the courts want to show paternal sympathies to women and the Government wants to restrict our equal access to politics.  We die younger, but more public money is still spent on peculiarly female diseases, we receive our pension later, even though we pay more tax and we even have to pay higher car insurance because we're presumed to be a liability on the road (and we can never prove otherwise, regardless of how long we drive without a claim - my father's 50 now and still has to pay more than my mother simply because he is a man).

The BBC spends vastly more money on programmes women want to watch.  They have a whole Government ministry of their own.  They're far less likely to get a custodial sentence for an offence, especially if they have children, despite the fact that they are an equal threat to society.  When they commit murder, they don't have to prove anything to suggest it was retaliation for domestic abuse.  Even their names cannot be published when they cry rape against a man falsely, a crime which I believe equates to the act itself considering the repercussions.  It's gone so far that men are presumed guilty whilst women are presumed innocent because of an ongoing stereotype that women are the more passive.

Gender equality? There are women only shortlists for Parliament (which makes it far easier for a woman to win a seat irrespective of ability, because less women overall apply).  They're allowed to complain about the pay gap, even though this is largely due to working shorter hours or choosing to have a break from the workforce to bring up their children (I can assure you just as many men would take a pay cut to do the same thing if society let them).

feminists who demand positive discrimination...

And the thing that annoys me most of all is the feminists who demand positive discrimination.  In short, that means my generation being discriminated against to compensate for the mistakes of our grandparents. I didn't benefit from that, so why should I pay for it?  Why should opportunities be any different just because of gender?

The equivalent from a male perspective would be to withdraw men from all wars in which the UK was currently engaged and replacing them with women.  It's not the current generations' fault that millions of men have died in past wars, but if today's men have to pay for earlier generations of unequal opportunities, then why shouldn't women pay for earlier generations unequal sacrifices of life?

Now, I don't believe these inequalities are caused by most women, but they certainly benefit from them and so do not oppose them either.  And those in politics of both genders fervently support them, not because they're right but because there's a core feminist vote to be won to swing the marginals, and no male vote to counter it.  Hopefully, that is all about to change.

By: Andrew

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Google 'Right wing blogger says feminist should be fixed' some 'men' really do find women intimidating, no wonder he posts so much rubbish on here and numerous other forums.

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Tired and emotional - 9-Mar-14 09:21

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What is a feminist?

Rebecca West

"I myself have never able to find out precisely what a feminist is. I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat"

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feminist - 8-Mar-14 20:54

BAH! Everywhere I go today I am reminded it's International Women's Day.

So What!

If a person in a wheelchair is said to be "Physically Challenged", what's that make a feminist? "Sexually Challenged"?

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Internationale - 8-Mar-14 19:19

Hi everyone
I've got to say I agree with Andrew who posted on here his gripe.
I think that anyone who's concerned about the men-women imbalances in society should read Kay horrowitz's(may have got name wrong there, check by title on amazon if you will) Manning Up about how young men my age say 18-30s age group(im 27, near 28) are being almost forced into a prolonged adolescence by society's pro-feminist (nothing wrong with girls having an equal chance) but also anti-male(guys today are being made redundant in every part of their lives) attitudes and the lack of traditional male jobs left in western countries like UK and USA.
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater I think.

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ahforfoulkesssake - 31-May-13 17:29

Quote of the day:
Trafford Housing Trust said last night: “we expect employees at all levels to act respectfully and adopt our ethos of valuing, respecting, supporting, and treating people with dignity regardless of their age, disability, faith, gender or gender reassignment, marital or civil partnership status, pregnancy, or maternity, status or race-ethnicity or s****l orientation.”

Well that has put me in my place; having been on four buses today and feeling somewhat to the right of Genghis Kahn.

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Stalag 14 - 30-Oct-11 23:18

Charmbrights, she should have given proper notice and not just left like that but this is one woman, why would you say would a man act like that as if most women would? Most don't.

I was reading about a serial rapist today but I am not coming on here and saying "would a woman act like that?"

Also, maybe they have to move quickly to another part of the country and need to find a new home fast. You are not asking why she is responsible for the house hunting and not her husband.

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Mo - 28-Feb-11 17:59

We had a fully qualified female draughtsman where I worked. She had been with us for three years and was paid exactly the same a a man in the same position, with the same terms and conditions, etc.

One Tuesday she didn't arrive until 10 am and immediately started collecting her personal possessions together.

When asked why, she replied, "Oh I'm leaving today. My husband has been promoted and it means we have to move, so I'm going house hunting." And with that she left.

Was she doing "equal work" for which she got "equal pay"? Can anyone seriously imagine a male employee acting like that?

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Charmbrights - 28-Feb-11 08:41

The Judge - Power comes from money and influence. If we men have most of the good jobs we still have most of the money, power and influence.

Most heads of state , CEOs of the richest companies and heads of the major banks are men. Follow the money, it leads to power.

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London Geezer - 26-Dec-10 22:33

Everything needs to be equal from employment opportunities and pay to custody and child support. The ERA will never pass in the US because of too much backward thinking and stuffy politicians. Too bad we'll never see a day where there is actual equality. By the way I'm a feminist who doesn't support that men are evil. I think that if a man is more qualified he should get the job, if a woman commits a crime she needs to pay the same penalty. If a woman hits a man he should hit her back and women should freely serve in the military.

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Jess - 2-Nov-10 22:26

" "Will" has no "kill" in it so the software allows it unchanged. "Skill" has "kill" in it so it gets disinfected."
You just typed kill and it did not get changed. Does putting it in inverted commas make a difference? kill. skill "kill" "skill"

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anon - 22-Jun-10 19:02

"Will" has no "kill" in it so the software allows it unchanged. "Skill" has "kill" in it so it gets disinfected.

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Kat - 22-Jun-10 17:00

Mike, I am just going out so this is not a considered reply. I would have to disagree with you on the "many" rather than "some" women as this does not accord at all with my experience.

I have , among my friends, family, work colleagues etc met very few women like that and , as I said, only one who was so blatant. I suppose you have to give her marks for honesty!

Your experience seems to be rather different.

Any comments on the double "ll" thing by the way?

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Kit - 22-Jun-10 15:46

Does anyone have any idea why "ski11ed" gets printed with two 11s but "willing" came up normally when I typed them in the same way and both in Wordpad?

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Kit - 22-Jun-10 15:00

Mike, if she was very beautiful and has a great figure she may be able to make an advantageous marriage to a well off man. There are still men willing to make that trade . Although she would probably need better social skills, brains and charm to make a go of it.

I knew a woman once who was raised by her mother to believe that men were ruled by their "dumb sticks" and that a clever, good looking woman could use that to get a good life. She had a succession of well off lovers from whom she would wheedle "presents", usually good jewellery or cars.

Oddly enough, she worked quite hard at her game. She expended a lot of time and energy on her appearance of course but the greatest part of her "work" was in the maintenance of the man's ego. She actually did not like sex much but was very ski11ed in pleasing men and in making them think they were total studs.

Perhaps men like that deserve women like that?

She was not a happy person though and seemed incapable of forming a loving relationship with a man. She didn't like women much either as we were the potential competition!

Regarding your point about equality though, the existence of a few women of her mercenary tendency is no argument for genuine gender inequality where it exists any more than the existence of a few men egotistical and stupid enough to marry them is an argument for men's inferiority.

These people are a minority, she was the only woman I have ever met with that attitude - and most women have no higher opinion of them than you do.

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Kit - 22-Jun-10 14:54

The reason for the rise in such dangerous activity is desperation and a society that is stack against them, they feel that there is nothing worth living for as they are labelled failures for simply being male. if the data from services such as the Samaritans can be generalized.

If women are 'sex objects' are men just 'success objects'?

The gender pay gap is a methodologically flawed assessment as was quoted by Smithy women earn on average 70% of the wage of men, but when you understand the comparison does not take into consideration hours worked, shift work, education and danger of job the figure is meaningless (unless your a women). This flaw once removed shows an actual gender pay gap of less then 2%.

The choice mean that men are paid high because they take the more riskier jobs, what has been referred to as the 'death and exposure jobs' while women choose the less dangerous employment. So is it any wonder that the gender pay gap is 70% under such methodological errors (Current figure is actually 80%).

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lost and found - 22-Jun-10 12:11

If a greater proportion of men than women choose to kill themselves with alcohol and drugs, how is that proof of inequality? They don't have to do that, they have a choice.

Women still do more of the low paid jobs. Go into a large supermarket - how many men do you see bashing the tills all day in what is a tedious and poorly paid job?

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anon - 21-Jun-10 14:43

Smithy I would argue that the figures show that the pay imbalance is at the top level earners and to penalise low paid males for the greed of the top earners is both unfair and unjust. The figures show that there is no real gender paygap for the lowest socio-economic group and if there is a difference then it appears with the very young earners where young females under 21 earn more then young males.

Do you really think you can end inequality by creating inequality?

I no more wish to blame females for the inequalities that males face then I wish to be blamed for any female inequality, but it does appear that politics and Feminist groups wish to blame all men.

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lost and found - 21-Jun-10 12:45

A nice report that unintentional shows that males are discriminated against is 'The Global Gender Gap Report (2006) which was produced by the World Economic Forum in Geneva. It shows that under the current paradigm the equality of a nation is based on how many women have access to things such as healthcare, education or political power when compared to men. If less women have access to something then it is judged as an inequality but if its the other way round and less men have access it is judged as an equality. Men are under attack but to fight back in this world is impossible without being labelled as sexist, Is it no wonder then that the male suicide rate has been increasing and that alcohol, drug and other risk taking behaviour is killing more males without any real sign of it being seen as an inequality.

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lost and found - 19-Jun-10 13:33

what you fail to realise is that gender discrimination deos go both ways. Yes it think its awful that rape is assumed to be true when cried out against a man, and I think that the way in which we are inclined to give custody to the female of a parted relationship is terrible-also alamony payments can be ludicrous. But you can hardly complain about your situation when women are in the same one. Women have the joy of lower pay, and you cant deny it, its nolt always due to working less hours etc. women are not as valued in the workpalce, they are finding it incresingly diffucult to break into big businesses becuase they dont want a 'hormonal woman' around or they fear pregnancy. Not all women want to take time off, or leave, to be a house wifew the minute they drop a kid but it is assumed that they do and they are penalised beucase of this misconception. Maybe womens achievemnets are more celebrated but did you ever think thats becuase not as many women do it since everything is male dominated anad it will remain that way as long as men hire more and more men.
I think what we have to relaise is that we are all discriminated against in different ways due to our gender and we have to work together to fight against it rather than pointing the finger at each other
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:D - 2-May-10 12:16

Regarding Mary Bell, as the old saying goes, leopards never change their spots.

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Gainsborough lad. - 4-Apr-10 19:50

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