Dementia patients in hospital

Goodbye Pete.

Next time try to submit some reasoned arguments of your own rather than disjointed quotes from articles you've dug up. And if you're going to quote me, please do so correctly.

Full marks for trying, less for content, but I expect teacher would be proud of you.

I don't need your agreement, or anyone else's.

Keeping mentally active does help a little to stave off dementia but not a lot.

Research now seems to indicate that keeping physically active is more important as lack of exercise results in poor circulation to the brain.

No doubt , being lucky enough to have the right genes will also prove to be a big factor.

My view on this is... being a heavy smoker doesn't mean that you will definatly get lung cancer, but it will increase your chances, being a non smoker doesn't mean that you will not get lung cancer, but the chances of getting it will be minimalised,

Also eating mountains of food daily, doesn't mean you will get fat, but it will be more likely that you will, (i'm sure we all know someone who seems to eat loads and loads and stay skinny) and there will be those who hardly eat at all, struggling like hell to keep their weight in check,

With dementia I think similar rules may apply, if you are a complete thicko, I think your chances of getting dementia are greatly increased, and if you are a clever intellectual, then your chances are lessened, just my views folks, and not scientific fact.

Far be it from me to jump into the middle of an established argument but in my experience (and that's just mine) dementia is totally random, it affects EVERYONE and ANYONE without any rhyme or reason. I am a dementia nurse in an elderly care unit and I support patients through diagnosis, treatment and ongoing care. There are certain factors that can increase a risk but on the whole it's random. This month I have seen a chemistry professor, a trained nurse, a teacher, a manual worker, a housewife and a disabled person who hasn't been able to work since an accident in his early 20s, all have been diagnosed with dementia and are undergoing treatment.

MikeP, let's review:

Contributor states that dementia is "directly related to education".

MikeP in an attempt to reason says, "That's drivel. Lot's of educated people get dementia." Cites copious (non-theoretical?) unspecified research to support this.

Pete cites credible news agencies (BBC and Reuters) reporting on the results of a very large scale study of the condition by a team of UK and Finnish scientists which link it directly by onset and effect to education.

MikeP is still satisfied with his, "Drivel" comment. Why? Because MikeP said it.

Goodbye, MikeP.

Pete : The flow goes spectacularly against my position when you choose to support yours with isolated quotes from articles. Do some serious research and then come back to me with support for your argument. I'm confident in mine.

Of course you say they are "only theories" when the flow goes so spectacularly against your position. But is your, "Utter drivel. In fact some of the most highly intelligent and educated people suffer from dementia and a lot of studies have shown this to be the case." (wholly without any supporting literature) ennobled by its author's (MikeP's) credibility? Is it thus permissible and valid? You reread the article. I put it to you that the drivel is yours, and as usual, it is yours alone.

Like I said, no educated readers are taken in by you.

Pete : May I suggest that you read the articles properly and fully rather than picking out and quoting only the parts which support your argument. I could also find parts which satisfactorily support my argument. The reality is that nobody knows, and these are only theories.

MikeP said, "The primary contention of the article is that better educated people are better able to cope with the effects of dementia, not that they are necessarily less likely to develop it."

The article said:
"It also found that for every extra year of education there was an 11 percent decrease in the risk of developing dementia."

But if anyone is interested in MikeP's credibility, read the "drivel" article for yourself.

and this one:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-10741274

Of course, it's all just rubbish made up for the press according to MikeP. But it sounds like he wasn't in school long enough to gain the positive effects.

"I daresay that I could find an article 'proving' that the earth is flat if I tried hard enough."

You wouldn't find anything because you never look or read. You just write whatever comes into your mind and you try to authenticate it with vague claims about "studies" which support your nonsense of the day.

You aren't fooling any of the educated readers here.

Not at all. The primary contention of the article is that better educated people are better able to cope with the effects of dementia, not that they are necessarily less likely to develop it. Education and continued mental acitvity may delay the onset of dementia but this is no more than a theory and studies are incomplete.

It may not be education per se which reduces the effects of dementia, but the fact that better edcuated people they are more likely to have the resources to cope and to have better treatment.

Early onset dementia is often caused, or exacerbated, by poor nutrition, insufficent exercise, and lower living standards, factors which are less likely to affect the better educated. Uneducated people are likely to vegetate in front of moronic daytime TV programmes, which is enough to send anyone over the edge, whereas better educated people will indulge in pastimes which require some brain cell activity.

This may be a little hard for you to understand, Pete, but rather than interpreting the article that you found in order to suit your own belief, try reading it and understanding it.

You might also wish to bear in mind that on the internet you can find something to prove, or disprove, just about any theory. I daresay that I could find an article 'proving' that the earth is flat if I tried hard enough.

Well, just one simple Google and MikeP is driveled spectacularly:


http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66P2EJ20100726