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School teaching methods letting our children down

What is it they actually teach children at school these days, or more precisely how are they teaching our children?  My daughter is very intelligent, she was a superb reader at a young age, a fast learner and loved school.  But in the last two years she has fallen behind terribly and I don't know why nothing has been done, or even why it has been noticed and never mentioned by the school until now.

At the last parents evening we were told she has made little progress in the last couple of years when they checked the previous teachers report (a report we knew nothing about).  Anything that's creative gets her attention, but she can sit through a whole day at school daydreaming and regularly doesn't hand any work in at the end of lessons!!  When I ask her about school she says she doesn't understand what she has to do.  When she puts her hand up to ask a question, the teacher is always too busy and she gets upset and feels stupid.  The teacher said that she cries a lot and that he doesn't like to push her because of that.  I thought the teacher was supposed to be in charge of the class?  Apparently these days it's not like that at all!

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They go out on trips to local pizza places to learn to make pizza (is this what they call home economics these days?), spend half a day sewing a prayer mat (we are not Muslim).  They don't even know the National Anthem or the Lords prayer for that matter.  They spend an afternoon visiting a landfill costing us £4, but have to stay in the coach because its dangerous.  I could go on but you get the picture.

I help my daughter her homework and she never struggles with it, but I have to explain some things which an eight year old should already know.  After the parents evening I purchased some basic maths books and have been working through them with her.  I am amazed at the basics she hasn't yet mastered: tell the time, simple addition and subtraction etc., the kind of stuff she should have been taught at the beginning.  Its no wonder she is struggling.

I went to see the head-mistress to have a chat about this and she just said "a sticker chart might have some success."  What?? For her or the teacher??  I ask each day how she's getting on at school and I'm told that and I'm told that she's doing fine but I do wonder.  I heard on the radio a while back that more and more children are leaving primary school unable to read and have poor basic Maths and English skills.  I thought at the time that it would be the sort of thing associated with one of the poorer council areas, but I'm not so sure that it isn't a more widespread problem judging by the teaching methods at our local school.

School teaching methods letting our children down

My gripe is that teachers no longer appear to have the skills themselves to teach our children, relying instead on photocopies from teaching aids, printed materials etc.  They're working through a list of skills that are supposed to be taught, but they don't actually understand how to teach a child.  They all want to be our child's friend and my daughter used to sit on the lap of her year one teacher - which I was appalled at.

The homework for this term is a 'challenges project', which appears to be a random list of things to do; make packed lunch, make a dolls outfit, draw a map etc.  Almost laughable since they aren't even being taught the basics properly.  I don't know what they do with the children all day and I'm very tempted to take my daughter out of school and home educate her instead.  My eldest daughter is the complete opposite and has always excelled at school, but her teachers were more of the disciplined kind with traditional teaching methods.

By: Anna

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DSG, I ask you to be somewhat more careful. I think your reference to gay s*x is inappropriate. You are implying that gay s*x is a choice, and that teaching could actually make any real difference to a child's sexual orientation. It cannot! Remember, a significant number of children attending schools will be gay, and any school that promotes being gay as a lifestyle - not a 'choice' one - that is deserving of tolerance and, indeed, respect, is a good thing. Schools should be concerned with teaching the children to 'think', rather than brain-washing them by constantly practising exam papers, so that the children themselves equate a good education with the mindless monotony of practising for exams, and that there is only one correct 'examiners answer', rather than promoting an enquiring, thinking, questioning mind. I think education in British schools today is essentially 'moronic', and a succession of governments are to blame because of their constant need to 'quantify' everything. Education needs a major, fundamental, 'root and branch' reform!

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miserablemoaninggit - 13-Mar-11 20:02 

You can't send your children to school to receive something you would recognise as an education. Instead, they'll be brainwashed into believing that gay s*x is the right-on way to go, that the heat-death of the universe is going to happen in five years' time and that Divali and Ramadan are important.

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DSG - 13-Mar-11 19:56 

DSG, I agree absolutely with every word you've said. Those teachers I know have a favourite topic of conversation: How can I get out of teaching?

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miserablemoaninggit - 24-Jan-11 14:49 

Teaching was a reasonable job back in the 80's-90's but I wouldn't dream of doing it now, and actively discouraged my own friends from even thinking of it as a career. You're overwhelmed with paperwork, hedged about with rules, regulations and procedures that are frequently unintelligible, tested and moderated and mentored and appraised until there's nothing left of you, the hours are ridiculous when you take into account the stacks of marking and preparation you are required to take home at the end of the day, the kids can't keep their mouths shut for more than ten seconds at a time and you're too knackered to appreciate the long holidays. And to top it all, you have to work alongside people who don't have the balls to do anything about it for fear of being "draconian".

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DSG - 22-Jan-11 22:34 

I just submitted a gripe on the foundation phase. Absolutely terrible. In Wales they learn entirely through play through the infants, supposedly to cater for boisterous boys who can't sit still and thus get turned off by school and fall behind. Well I disagree. Kids need training, training to listen, to write, to read and to hold a pencil correctly, to form letters correctly. Chaos reigns supreme, and guess what, I, as a special needs teacher in secondary am having to pick up the pieces and teach my grandkids myself in the evenings.

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Bagpuss - 16-Jan-11 19:45 

Please,someone tell me how learning about dead English kings will help me in the future?

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DSG - 10-Dec-10 19:11 

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That being said, let me get to the information I did want to pass along. I am not sure if you have requested an SST as we call it, Student Study Team, which reviews problems she may be having and develops an action plan to help her with interventions, but that may be something to consider. You may also consider having her assessed for possible processing disorder, which can be easily done at the school through a battery of assessments. Early intervention is key, so please look at all options before pulling her out of the public school system. There is a lot of programs that can help with various learning issues, you just have to find out the core of the problem. Good luck with everything and remember that although your daughters may have been brought up the same way, they may learn differently. She sounds as if she is creative, so try teaching using that avenue. If you need ideas, feel free to email me at I_Love_teaching76@yahoo.com

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Lisa - 18-Nov-10 02:31 

Anna,
I understand your concern and do feel for you. I am a special education teacher/reading intervention/behavior intervention teacher at my school in the US. I will preface this by stating that budget cuts are hurting our children and our educational system. That being said, I won't complain about what we do not have, but rather focus on what we do. We have an education system that is do what it can with what it has. I know that there are some teachers out there that may be teaching only for the paycheck, which is extremely sad and a disservice to our children, but they are a minority, a small percentage. Most of the teachers I work with are there because we want to teach these kids everything we possibly can from life skills to core curriculum. We are limited with resources indeed, but we work with what we can and are creative with what we have to work with. Research has proven over the years that teaching lecture style does not work for all students, they need to be active participants in learning, and they have to take ownership of what they learn (hence the projects). Explicit Direct Instruction and Response to Intervention are two research based and peer reviewed programs that my district uses. It is a lot of work for lesson planning, but in the long run it is the most beneficial for the child. Everyone learns differently, but most people do learn through seeing and experiencing. Teachers are not lazy as some comments have reflected, nor are they only teaching to the test. We are moving quite fast, I admit, however, we have a lot of information to cover in limited time.

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Lisa - 18-Nov-10 02:31 

I am a trainee teacher at the moment and I very much agree that teachers are not doing enough right now. But times are changing, we are researching and implementing new strategies and techniques that will benefit millions of children. I would check out Every Child Matters if you ever get the chance. Something to think about would also be that not every school is like the school that your daughter attended. Please don't let one school cloud your judgements. Thanks, Andy

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Andy - 1-Nov-10 21:11 

Education in the UK is now just an 'examination treadmill'. Teachers, pressured by league tables and performance related pay (until the money runs out!), get their students to practice, practice, practice and more practice of examinaton papers. If a students makes the mistake of asking a question about a subject not directly linked to this process, they are told 'You don't need to know that, it will not come up in the exam'. A modular exam system effectively means that even if they fail the 'real thing', they can resit, and then resit, until finally they've mastered the 'technique', given the correct 'buzz words' expected by the examination boards, and then they pass. Of course, in all of this, there is very little real learning going on, and certainly there is very little development of the ability to 'think', including to 'challenge', to 'question', to 'make links'. New teachers to the profession know no different to this process, and rather pathetically they pride themselves on their students exam results, thinking that they have done a good job, whilst condemning the more experience teachers as 'passed it', and 'cynics' who need to be put out to pasture. Meanwhile, the students aren't getting a real education, and the future of the UK is probably going to suffer as a result!

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miserablemoaninggit - 3-Feb-10 23:34 

I am in the process of writing an essay on education in the US today. I was thrilled to find that I am not the only parent who feels his child is being cheated out of an education by the use of politically correct, socially acceptable, progressive teaching methods. Every year, I have seen the content of the material presented to my kids decline to the point of nothingness. The teachers do not seem to be qualified to teach, or are being instructed to only provide the necessary material to pass the tests. I wonder where the world will be in another 40 years when these kids have to make any decisions based on knowlege learned.

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The Old Fart (Retired) - 31-Jan-10 00:44 

Teachers are not lazy ,they have a lot of red tape,to contend with; when my children were at school I gave the teachers my support as I was not blinkered thinking my kids were angels they were not ! and classes are ridiculously large and all the goverment are worried about are statistics,I feel sorry for the teachers ,we could all work for a day in their shoes.

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gill - 28-Oct-09 18:23 

Lazy teachers is the main problem and their only concern is their pay packet and career. they would rather go on walks to visit local mosque's than teach our children Maths and English. Our schools are more concerned with social conditioning and Education comes second. also the teachers at my childrens school keep swaping kids from class to class and splitting up friends. How the hell are our children going to develope their social skills if they are never allowed to form social bounds.

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aleedsfella - 29-Sep-09 11:20 

Daz:

Only someone very stupid would make a remark like that.

Clearly you are not a parent who has experienced state education in this country.

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Nikki - 13-Aug-09 14:26 

Anna,

you have a stupid child.

Get over it.

daz

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daz - 13-Aug-09 03:02 

I'd also welcome the return of competitive standards in schools with properly graded rewards for good work. Now, it seems, everyone is good at everything and no one is allowed to fail. If failure became part of the curriculum, just as good old fashioned subjects like History and Geography, English and Maths should be, perhaps more, so called, failures would buck their ideas up, apply themselves properly instead of spending most of their free time playing Wii and Nintendo. That way they'd become the sucesses they deserve to be.

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Grumpy xx - 22-Jun-09 00:02 

I'm appalled by the standard of teaching these days. I don't have children, nor am I a teacher, but it's apparent to me that university graduates, let alone school leavers, don't have a simple grasp of grammar or spelling that took for granted when I was taught back in the 1970s.Too many write as if they are text messaging, with the overuse of 4u l8 etc. It's really dreadful. They can't think straight or construct a decent argument either.

I largely blame the erosion of teaching as the highly respected, well paid, life-long profession it once was, which was largely suited to vocational, dedicated and committed types, who wouldn't have considered doing anything else.

Now that it's become a downgraded second-rate, poorly paid quasi profession, those that would be most suited to teaching do something else instead. Now it's populated by ill-educated career movers that need to earn some sort of living, but have just enough brains to complete the Teachers Training Certificate. Most don't stay for long and, as a result, pupils have an endless rotation of supply teachers to contend with - not teachers whose names you never forget for the rest of your life - for good and bad reasons.

I'd like the return of good old fashioned teaching. Lessons taught by teachers that stand at the front of the classroom with a blackboard in front of rows of attentive pupils. I also welcome the return of exams, handwritten coursework and memorised facts. Not, so called, project work that can easily be completed with minimal effort by downloading information from the internet.

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Grumpy xx - 21-Jun-09 23:51 

Sorry for the typo. 'chart achievements'.

(In case anyun thinks I woz illeritimate.)

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MikeP - 7-Apr-09 08:50 

Teachers are not required to actually 'teach' any more. They are required to get their students to 'pass exams', which can be far removed from actually 'learning'. Creativity is not rewarded, not valued in terms of lessons. Teachers are under enormous pressure to ensure that their students regular 'practice' exam papers and are able to apply the correct method to approaching exam questions required by the examination boards. The posting by gumdam3 reflects this whole approach - tests, subtests, targets, ticking boxes and the like. He or she was clearly a teacher that succumbed completely to the testing culture and now is unable to think outside of this to actually promote an alernative culture that actually embraces a real, vibrant and educationally valuable approach to teaching and learning. 'Targets' can be the opposite to real education that promotes a lifelong love of learning. The UK education system and examination regime is essentially 'broken', and it needs a fundamental overhaul!

Anna, your post is somewhat confusing with its closing comments on 'traditional teaching methods'. 'Traditional' teaching methods usually mean 'chalk and talk', and I'm certainly not advocating that. I suspect that most of my earlier points apply with your taught, although you may also have to face the possibility that your younger daughter is also simply not that bright in comparison with your eldest! Not everyone can win prizes, and at the end of the day, your daughter may have very limited academic ability and should accept that her future lies elsewhere! (Perish the thought!)

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miserablemoaninggit - 6-Apr-09 23:42 

Teachers are certainly focusing on the wrong things - at least in my experience. At our last parent teacher night, I was scolded for my 5-year old daughter's pronounciation while reading. One of her parents is British and the other North American and, as we both read with her, she pronounces some words differently, which is to be expected in an international household. Most of the meeting was focused on how she could sound more British, not that she was reading very well (which she does) or needs more work on her math skills (which we have noticed and are working on at home too). The teacher was so focused on this one tiny issue that I almost felt bad our daughter had to deal with two different versions of English at home - not proud that she was reading so well!

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More Focus on Learning! - 1-Apr-09 16:17 

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