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Insurance companies and accident repairs

I have a major gripe with how insurance companies treat their customers 'behind the scenes'.  It is a natural assumption to think that after an accident, your insurance company will pay for the full cost of repairs done by the body shop, but sadly this may not be the case any more.

Here's a brief explanation of how the accident repair process works to the best of my knowledge.  Major insurance companies now have contracts with body shops whereby they send a little over £1,000 with every job, and that is the payment.  It is then up to the body shop to complete the repairs to your vehicle within this cost.

I think this is officially called 'The average repair cost'.  It is a figure that the insurance companies say will balance itself out over the course of the year as they are supposed to send the bodyshop both large and small jobs, with the smaller jobs being, of course, overpaid.

This might work out well on paper, but in reality, and with the greed of the insurance companies most of the small jobs would end up being sent to the other body shops with whom they have no such contact.  I suppose it's understandable as they wouldn't want to pay their £1,000 contracted cost for a £200 repair job.  However this leaves the original body shop having to fully absorb the cost of any repair.

Car repair body shop Now think about it.  If they were sent, for example, a standard size job that costs in the region of £4,500 to complete, and only getting paid £1,000 for it, something has to give.  Firstly, as much as possible would be repaired and not replaced.  This is because the cost of every single new part comes directly out of the £1,000 cost.  Could it be that most jobs are simply beaten back into shape and filled with body filler, broken headlamps and bumpers are plastic welded back together and the absolute minimum is done?  Basically, as you can imagine, the vehicle body repair industry must now be turning into a cost saving exercise.

...have slipped right back to the bodging 70's again

I personally think the whole process is disgusting.  People pay a lot of money for their insurance policies and the least they expect is a decent job done on their vehicle if they ever need to make a claim.  We are living in the 00's but have slipped right back to the bodging 70's again, and its all due to the greed of the insurance companies.  We are not talking about the smaller insurance companies here, but the main names (I'm sure you know who we're talking about!).  No wonder they can offer such cheap insurance.

By: Andrew

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LOOK OUT !!! RBS (Direct Line, Churchill Insurance, Nat West Insurance ...etc, etc) are looking at agreeing AVERAGE REPAIR COST CONTRACTS (Approx £850.00 per repair) with all their approved repairers !!! Well?, those repairers still left on their approved repairer list !!!

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Insider - 20-Jan-12 11:48 

Average repair cost are in place across Nationwide Crash repair Centres as per their contract with Aviva as an approved repairer. I know this because I used to work For NCRC / AVIVA on the bodyshop programme and I left due to the issues which came out once vehicles were being repaired badly due to the limit of £1000. Clients were never made aware of this agreement and it was certainly not public knowledge. Insurers will cut corners where ever possible. They are focused on minimising the cost of repairs where possible hance the use of Non Genuine parts and panels being utilised in repair processes. My Advice to you is should you be involved in an accident whether your at fault or not. Seek a repair by an approved repairer for your manufactured vehicle IT IS YOUR LEGAL RIGHT - YOU OWN THE CAR - NOT YOUR INSURER !!!

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Chris - 13-Oct-11 09:45 

The best thing to do is not use your insurances approved repairer, its your legal right to have your car repaired where you like, as most of the approved shops are bonus performance, panel beaters and painters work very quickly so they can clock over a certain % to gain a higher wage, strip/fitters on the other hand rarely hit the top so corners are cut and your car comes out worse then what it went in (where you can't see) All repairers should offer a work guarantee and a courtesy free of charge. Also as stated a lot of insurance companies contract states that any vehicle over 3 years old should be fitted with pattern parts, who wants that! As for the assesors they are the worse, I once had to hand over a car that required a new door, the engineer took off the blends to the front wing and rear door and to top that off the car was red, red fades badly and the poor customer had one shiney door which stood out a mile! Insurance companies and the large volume repair centres are fast taking over nearly all the business and leaving little quality ones who still take pride in their work and have been around for many years to drown. My suggestion to anybody that reads this..... use a non approved garage or a small volume shop where you will have quality work and genuine parts, ask your local service centre / dealership to suggest one 9 times out of 10 they always have a good small shop up the road as they need somewhere for their damaged sales cars to go. Oh do not insure with aviva if you want to use your own garage, in their small print it states that if you do not want to use their approved garage you will incur an extra excess of £200.00. You have been warned, good luck.

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jimbob - 19-Jan-11 12:24 

The insurance assesor used to visit the garage veiw the damaged car & agree what repairs where required, if a wing or panel was a bit rusty he would deduct money by saying the repair was improving the car. Once everything was agreed the garage would then enter negotiations with the owner of the damaged car. They would agree a level of repair that would leave some money over to split between the car owner & the garage."These are the facts folks"

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Boblet - 15-Jan-11 11:16 

I have worked in the insurance industry for 7 years and his is total nonsense, there is no such thing as an average repair cost, motor engineers assess the vehicle damage and authorize repair costs based on the make&model of the vehicle.

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insurance employee - 14-Jan-11 23:50 

got my car in at the moment with one of the mentioned insurers, been told they are going to use filler for the repair which ive rejected, the Financial Ombudsman are now chasing the insurer on my behalf. No offence to yourselves but I could put filler in my self !

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anon - 25-Nov-10 12:52 

I can't speak for the quality of the repairs of things, but I know firsthand that AXA don't operate their billing in this way. The repairs are estimated and costed, approved by an engineer, and the bill is paid by AXA less any excess element. I don't know where you've got this £1,000 'average repair cost' from. Each repair is assessed on its own merits, costed and paid accordingly.

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Jon - 13-Nov-09 14:26 

Last week Thusday I was driven it to at a junction, I had right off way, but I should have let them out apparently anyway, my car is now written off £2k worth of damage! Thanks a buch!!! Why shouldn't the other persons Insurance company be made to pay to have my car fixed and back on the road,regardless of cost.why am I now being made to suffer, I am having to look for a replacement car,and the write off value is rubbish! I am sure they would reflect this action in the renewal premium, and the driver might think twice.

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Gustof Wind - 2-Apr-09 16:17 

Sounds like a cracking idea of the insurance company's. I bet it was one of Sir Fred's. I knew he must of done some good whilst with RBS.
I can't beleive any repair company would agree to the scam in the first place.

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Perplexed - 26-Feb-09 13:48 

Somebody mentioned "Cheap" insurance. I just tried to insure a sixteen year old peugeot 106 as a second vehicle but as I am using my no claims bonus on my motorcycle they want £800, the car cost me £100 . Scam? If I havent had a claim how come it only counts on one vehicle?

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Rigsby - 3-Feb-09 17:13 

The question must be, why do people go elsewhere for the smaller jobs? You say you work for a large chain of repairers. This doesn't necessarily sound like a dealership, however, all I know is I steer well clear of main anything, not just dealers, for my car repairs.

My servicing, on two privately owned cars, is all done through one family owned business locally and has been for 10 years. I trust them and they have got it wrong a few times in the past, but they have put things right without further cost to me or fuss. On that basis, I try to be fair with them, when I would not do this for many other businesses. If they charge me for work I did not ask them to do, I am very confident they have done it for the sake of safety. I keep my paperwork and can easily check if they are trying to pull the wool over with several, "repeat repairs." They never have. On that basis I have owned one car for 11 years and the other for 7. Being German built helps but they are in excellent condition and keeping up with newer cars is not a problem in the slightest. On the contrary, frustratingly, I always seem to be on the tail of a line of traffic, never at the front!

They are not the cheapest, nor the dearest, of garages but where cars are concerned doing things on the cheap is not a sensible option. You might well regret being in an accident at which torn and crushed metal is widely in evidence, because you were anxious to save twenty quid on some brake repairs.

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Chris - 1-Feb-09 00:12 

Andrew.

Horrified to read this. I shudder to think how they would deal with a customer who challenged the practice.

You have mentioned NU and Axa. Without risking a civil claim for infringement of privacy clauses (i.e. 'gagging') could you list which insurers operate this awful scam?

Or in contrast, can you say which of the insurers with whom your firm deals do not impose a fixed limit?

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Santiago - 27-Jan-09 17:36 

Anyway, my car was sent away and I got a courtesy car for 2 weeks. After I got my car back, the bill was then sent to the third party insurers, I was also sent this bill 'for my info' which totalled just over £2000. A nice round £1000 for the damage repair and the rest for the 2 weeks worth of hire car charges!

I heard nothing for weeks, until some solicitors called me asking me saying they'd like to represent me as the victim in the incident. Apparently the third party withdrew the statement that she was to blame. I went through a lengthly telephone questionnaire about the incident, the events leading up to and after. Anyway, 6 months had passed and the third party insurer wasn't willing to pay the bill. In the end, county court proceedings were launched and that was the last I heard about it so I assume they got their money. But shows what insurers will do to avoid paying the costs. The solicitors said that when court proceedings are launched, that's when they'll cough up as it'll cost them more in the long run.

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Youthful Griper - 27-Jan-09 16:06 

I've been driving cars since December 2003 and buses since September 2006, in this time I've only been involved in one incident which wasn't my fault, this happened back in 2007. The woman who drove into the side of me admitted there on the spot that it was her fault, that she hadn't been looking when she pulled out of lane 1 on the dual carriageway. She put a nice dent in the nearside rear quarter panel and scuffed the alloy wheel. We drove to her house where she gave me all her details and asked me to get a quote for the repair, she wanted to pay for it herself. I got a blind quote from my car manufacturer who suggested it might cost anywhere between £500 and £800. I told the third party this and she thought this was extremely expensive for "only a dent and scuffing". I told her I was going to go through the insurers regardless. She said it was ok because it turns out her no claims would not be affected.

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