Insurance companies and accident repairs
12-March-2010
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I work for the biggest chain of car body shops in the UK, and have been in the industry for the past 20 odd years.  I now have a major gripe with how insurance companies treat their customers 'behind the scenes'.  It is a natural assumption to think that after an accident, your insurance company will pay for the full cost of repairs done by the body shop, but sadly this is not so much the case any more.

Here's a brief explanation of how the accident repair process works.  Major insurance companies like Norwich union, Axa, etc. now have contracts with the big body shop chains, where they send a little over £1,000 with every job, and that is the payment.  It is then up to the body shop to complete the repairs to your vehicle within this cost.  This is officially called 'The average repair cost'.  It is a figure that the insurance companies say will balance itself out over the course of the year, as they are supposed to send the bodyshop both large and small jobs, with the smaller jobs being, of course, overpaid.

This seems to workout well on paper, but in reality, and with the greed of the insurance companies we find that most of the small jobs end up being sent to the other body shops with whom they have no such contact, leaving us with all the larger jobs.  I suppose its understandable as they wouldn't want to pay their £1,000 contracted cost for a £200 repair job.  However this leaves our body shop having to fully absorb the cost of any repair.

Now think about it. We get sent, for example, a standard size job that costs in the region of £4,500 to complete, and we are only getting paid £1,000 for it, something has to give.  Firstly, as much as possible is repaired and not replaced.  This is because the cost of every single new part comes directly out of our £1,000 cost.  Most jobs are simply beaten back into shape and filled with body filler, broken headlamps and bumpers are plastic welded back together and the absolute minimum is done.  Vehicles that in the past would have had its chassis measured, are now 'chanced' with only the very worst jobs now being put onto a jig system.  Basically, as you can imagine, the vehicle body repair industry is now turning into a cost saving exercise.

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I personally think the whole process is disgusting.  People pay a lot of money for their insurance policies and the least they expect is a decent job done on their vehicle if they ever need to make a claim.  We are living in the 00's but have slipped right back to the bodging 70's again, and its all due to the greed of the insurance companies.  We are not talking about the smaller insurance companies here, but the main names (I'm sure you know who we're talking about!).  No wonder they can offer such cheap insurance.

By: Andrew


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been going to SGH body works, www.sghbodyworks.co.uk, in bristol for years, never had a problem with them. I guess there will always be a difference between the big/national garages and the smaller garages.
*Callum  15-Feb-2010 16:20

 
First of all, I wonder if I am the only person to have had problems with Uk Carbody Ltd of Bedminster, Bristol ?

Next I wonder if others have found that their Insurance direct them to use this Car Repairer ?

The bottom line is, you read the glowing statements in http://www.ukcarbody.com/ and then experience weeks of broken promises, long waits for your vehicle to returned to you.
And then sometimes find it has been further damaged, yet no one at Uk Carbody Ltd of Bedminster, Bristol will take responsibility for it !

So from personal experience do not allow your insurance company to send your prized procession to Uk Carbody Ltd of Bedminster, Bristol.
*Grumpy John  22-Nov-2009 01:11

 
I can't speak for the quality of the repairs of things, but I know firsthand that AXA don't operate their billing in this way. The repairs are estimated and costed, approved by an engineer, and the bill is paid by AXA less any excess element. I don't know where you've got this £1,000 'average repair cost' from. Each repair is assessed on its own merits, costed and paid accordingly.
*Jon  13-Nov-2009 14:26

 
Last week Thusday I was driven it to at a junction, I had right off way, but I should have let them out apparently anyway, my car is now written off £2k worth of damage! Thanks a buch!!! Why shouldn't the other persons Insurance company be made to pay to have my car fixed and back on the road,regardless of cost.why am I now being made to suffer, I am having to look for a replacement car,and the write off value is rubbish! I am sure they would reflect this action in the renewal premium, and the driver might think twice.
*Gustof Wind  02-Apr-2009 16:17

 
Sounds like a cracking idea of the insurance company's. I bet it was one of Sir Fred's. I knew he must of done some good whilst with RBS.
I can't beleive any repair company would agree to the scam in the first place.
*Perplexed  26-Feb-2009 13:48

 
For Santiago - 27/01/2009

Zurich Insurance are another insurance company that have moved their work out of independant workshops and directed it to Nationwide Accident Repairs, working the same principle of one price per job.
*Dejected Repairer  05-Feb-2009 09:47

 
Somebody mentioned "Cheap" insurance. I just tried to insure a sixteen year old peugeot 106 as a second vehicle but as I am using my no claims bonus on my motorcycle they want £800, the car cost me £100 . Scam? If I havent had a claim how come it only counts on one vehicle?
*Rigsby  03-Feb-2009 17:13

 
The question must be, why do people go elsewhere for the smaller jobs? You say you work for a large chain of repairers. This doesn't necessarily sound like a dealership, however, all I know is I steer well clear of main anything, not just dealers, for my car repairs.

My servicing, on two privately owned cars, is all done through one family owned business locally and has been for 10 years. I trust them and they have got it wrong a few times in the past, but they have put things right without further cost to me or fuss. On that basis, I try to be fair with them, when I would not do this for many other businesses. If they charge me for work I did not ask them to do, I am very confident they have done it for the sake of safety. I keep my paperwork and can easily check if they are trying to pull the wool over with several, "repeat repairs." They never have. On that basis I have owned one car for 11 years and the other for 7. Being German built helps but they are in excellent condition and keeping up with newer cars is not a problem in the slightest. On the contrary, frustratingly, I always seem to be on the tail of a line of traffic, never at the front!

They are not the cheapest, nor the dearest, of garages but where cars are concerned doing things on the cheap is not a sensible option. You might well regret being in an accident at which torn and crushed metal is widely in evidence, because you were anxious to save twenty quid on some brake repairs.
*Chris  01-Feb-2009 00:12

 
Andrew.

Horrified to read this. I shudder to think how they would deal with a customer who challenged the practice.

You have mentioned NU and Axa. Without risking a civil claim for infringement of privacy clauses (i.e. 'gagging') could you list which insurers operate this awful scam?

Or in contrast, can you say which of the insurers with whom your firm deals do not impose a fixed limit?
*Santiago  27-Jan-2009 17:36

 
Anyway, my car was sent away and I got a courtesy car for 2 weeks. After I got my car back, the bill was then sent to the third party insurers, I was also sent this bill 'for my info' which totalled just over £2000. A nice round £1000 for the damage repair and the rest for the 2 weeks worth of hire car charges!

I heard nothing for weeks, until some solicitors called me asking me saying they'd like to represent me as the victim in the incident. Apparently the third party withdrew the statement that she was to blame. I went through a lengthly telephone questionnaire about the incident, the events leading up to and after. Anyway, 6 months had passed and the third party insurer wasn't willing to pay the bill. In the end, county court proceedings were launched and that was the last I heard about it so I assume they got their money. But shows what insurers will do to avoid paying the costs. The solicitors said that when court proceedings are launched, that's when they'll cough up as it'll cost them more in the long run.
*Youthful Griper  27-Jan-2009 16:06

 
I've been driving cars since December 2003 and buses since September 2006, in this time I've only been involved in one incident which wasn't my fault, this happened back in 2007. The woman who drove into the side of me admitted there on the spot that it was her fault, that she hadn't been looking when she pulled out of lane 1 on the dual carriageway. She put a nice dent in the nearside rear quarter panel and scuffed the alloy wheel. We drove to her house where she gave me all her details and asked me to get a quote for the repair, she wanted to pay for it herself. I got a blind quote from my car manufacturer who suggested it might cost anywhere between £500 and £800. I told the third party this and she thought this was extremely expensive for "only a dent and scuffing". I told her I was going to go through the insurers regardless. She said it was ok because it turns out her no claims would not be affected.
*Youthful Griper  27-Jan-2009 16:05


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