Speeding fines, yet another one!
02-September-2010
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OK, so in July I get caught speeding by a Gatso camera heading towards Wales 7.45pm Road clear, I'm doing 36 in a 30mph zone.  With 18 years of endorsement free driving and no accidents and two weeks later I'm hit with a £60 speeding fine and 3 penalty points.  That's ten quid for every one mile per hour I was over the speed limit on an empty road!

Speeding fines - Police speeding trap

So today, I'm on my way to do an honest days work and I head into a village, no children at school as summer holidays, there are two blokes in suits standing next to a phone box and the next thing I know out comes Mr Policeman from behind the Phone Box wearing a florescent green jacket putting his hand in the air for me to stop and proceeds to charge me another £60 for doing 38 in the village.  I found myself apologising at first, but then I started thinking whilst he was writing my ticket.  I reminded him that he is supposed to be on view.  His reply was "I'm wearing this bright coat."  I couldn't believe my ears and I came back with "And I'm supposed to see through aluminium phone boxes, am I?"

He then said to me "We have had people in the village complaining about speeding drivers."  Well that was about enough...  I glared at him and said "We have had people in Bicester complaining about their cars and bikes being stolen, it's a shame you don't put so much effort into catching them!"

So there we have it, I pay my road Tax for both my vehicles and Pay my Council Tax which funds the Police and now they are robbing me on the way to work where funny enough I pay Income Tax for their salaries too.  Yet there is Mr Joy Rider lying in his sack after another night racing another persons pride and joy and then torching it, not even worried about the licence he hasn't got, living on his dole money with the housing benefit looking after his roof.

OK, I appreciate I'm in the wrong for breaking the speed limit but what's gone wrong? Police gone soft, can't catch anybody if they are a car thief or a house burglar.  Shame these days anything gets stolen from your property they'll give you an incident number and the thieving mongrel gets away again.  Yet, being a law abiding citizen you get robbed £60 just for going slightly over the speed limit.

TOO LAZY TO CATCH THE REAL CROOKS!

I think the Police in this country ought to be brought to justice as to why Police Officers time is wasted hanging around a speed camera, when in truth they reckon they have not got the man power to catch the thieves (apparently there were 5 police officers at the same camera not long after I was pulled over).  Any private business would call that bad resource management, personally I think it is lets pick on the EASY TARGETS because WE ARE TO LAZY TO CATCH THE REAL CROOKS.

GATSO speed camera

Question: Who are the real thieves, personally I think Thames Valley Police and probably all the other thieving Highway Police patrols/cameras up and down this country, money from taxes and speeding fines yet very little results when catching real crooks, we dare not mention their salaries too...


Other sites that may be of interest

SPEED
You've got to be quick - so find out more about what and where it is!  No really, we couldn't figure it out either but maybe you can.

Speed Traps
It's what it says on the tin!  I'm not sure about how accurate a lot of this is but there is some interesting information on how to get out of that speeding fine.


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I see your point G.Lad, but each one of the other four factors I mentioned causes more deaths than speeding.

Speed cameras don't catch drivers who exercise poor judgement, drive recklessly, are inattentive or just don't see what they are looking at!

And as Swindon seems to show, they don't really help.
*grumpyoldwoman  14-Aug-2010 09:00

 
Switzerland fines people an amount which rises in relation to their wealth and how much they were over the speed limit.

A Swedish driver caught doing 180mph may be fined £656,000!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10960230
*Sally  13-Aug-2010 21:46

 
If 7.3% of road deaths are caused by speeding, then that is still 200 deaths a year in the UK and 2000 in a decade, imagine if a loved one of yours was mowed down on the pavement by an out of control 60mph suburban speeding driver?

I am not for speed cameras on three lane motorways, perhaps average speed cameras set at 80 or 90mph may be a good idea there.
*Gainsborough lad.  13-Aug-2010 20:29

 
Forgot to mention that accidents in Swindon have gone down since they switched off their speed cameras, Yes, DOWN!
*grumpyoldwoman  13-Aug-2010 08:44

 
I think it worth mentioning here that only 7.3% of accidents are caused by speeding.

Failure of judgement, careless or reckless behaviour, inattention and looking but not seeing between them account for over one third of accidents.
*grumpyoldwoman  13-Aug-2010 08:35

 
In regards to Police with a Laser Speed Gun, I'm afraid the author appears slightly mis-informed. Police with a hand held laser do not have to be visible in advance, nor are they required to have any signs out warning you of their presence. And where they do put signs out there is no requirement for it to be on the same road as the enforcement site. You would also be surprised as to what officers can find at these sites: I personally have stopped a car for speeding, found the car to be in a dangerous condition and had a Prohibition notice placed on it, and seen thre driver in court. Also, car speedo's generally read high. If caught at 38 most speedos were probably reading just over 40, though I'm not saying that this was the case with the author of this article.

Most people don't have a problem with being got by a person. It's camera's that bug people. The camera catches Mr and Mrs Honest who have a licence, register, tax and insure their cars. The copper on the roadside catches all these yes, but more still. Most people that I've come accross that feel aggrieved by their ticket have been got by a camera. They know they've done wrong but its finding out 2 weeks later that bugs them.

We can all try to defend our speed as a mistake, but the fact is in town, empty road or not, 30 is the maximum limit, not the minimum. Yes we all make mistakes, but with driving the risk is to other people's lives and thus the punishments are harsher. If while speeding you had an accidnet and injured or even ki11ed someone, would you feel persecuted and receive sympathy for the charge and possible conviction for driving without due care or causing death by dangerous driving? Why then this feeling when we are caught breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit?
*Robert  12-Aug-2010 22:13

 
Another go at the government, the switching off of the speed cameras, ten people lose their life on the UK's roads every day, surely everything should be done to lower this tally,

I have been caught once by one of these for doing thirty eight in a thirty, a £30-00 fine and three points, (400 yards from my home as well after coming off a seventy mph duel carriageway)

One of the things that I would like to change would be that a driver couldn't say lose his licence in the space of a short time, say if you went on a UK two week driving holiday and came home to find five speeding fines on your doormat, all for being six MPH over the limit on roads that you have never driven down before,

But switching them all off will be a disaster, the amount of deaths only disguised by less drivers on our roads, and drivers watching their fuel consumption by driving more slowly.
*Gainsborough lad.  12-Aug-2010 19:15

 
If you break the speed limit you are committing an offence so why do you think you have any ground to complain? The police do spend a hell of lot of time dealing with burglaries and thefts and just because you are obviously not aware of the facts and what actually goes on then I dont think you can really use this as a point to argue your case. The bottom line is if you dont break the law by speeding then you wont have a problem. Just because you may have no previous convictions and have an honest job does not make you exempt from the law....
*chris c  20-Jul-2010 13:03

 
You don't deserve a license you thick illiterate twat. I'd have locked you up had your kids taken into care and had your wife shot for putting up with you.
*Joker  02-Jul-2010 19:23

 
Serving a 6 month ban for totting up 12 in 3 years (not happy but will get by as still got my job not that the tossers in court give a toss that I have a wife and 2 kids to support) exceptional hardship was a no. I not sure about when my license is back, does it come back clean ?

I was on 9 points and the cow gave me another 3 to make me up to 12 and a 230.00 pound fine just to add icing on the cake. did explain that how the f*** am I gonna pay as I dont have a job now and as she wasnt from the real world asked someone if I could appeal after seeing me and the wife distressed. Just trying to earn a living and getting this b*******.
*Joke  01-Jul-2010 22:53

 
TJ sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it is not true that Camera's can only be sited at accident black-spots,and YES a police car can detect what speed your doing in the opposite direction,also when its in front of you,or behind.
M.Moore,I agree with what you are saying but the 30 limit you imply is the maximum you can do safely (in your local councils view)and I'm sure common sense would tell us when to do less.But I don't think a speed camera flashing you at 30 in a 30 mph restriction would stand in court (ie,the Camera would not even have photoed you).as for the evidence from a Patrol car following you it would show that you were not speeding,that of course would not deter johnny law of charging you for any other offence such as careless driving etc.
The Police camera teams are I believe allowed to give a certain amount of leeway,such as shall we say 45 in a 40 limit or maybe 75 on a motorway,but they don't have to,to be sure is simple=Dont Speed..
*arrawn  20-Jun-2010 21:24

 
Sharon,I suppose in fact you are allowed to go around a roundabout at the speed of the road approaching it,ie 30 on a 30 mph road,40 on a 40 mph road,but you must let common sense be your guide,how big (or small is the roundabout)just how busy,light,dark or,foggy,obviously on a 60 or 70 mph road it would never be safe to do so.
Speed limit signs in the UK are Maximum speed allowed,they do not imply that you MUST travel at the speed indicated.I believe there may actually still be a few places that do show a minimum speed limit,though I do not pretend to ever having seen one(I think though your vehicle must be able to do at least a certain speed on a motorway,after all I wouldn't want to try going up the M1 at 15 mph.).
*arrawn  20-Jun-2010 21:04


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