Alcohol on public transport
02-September-2010
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On Thursday 23rd October we caught the 11.15 train from Paddington to Cardiff Central.  My husband had reserved two seats with table some two months before.  From the onset of the journey four young men who occupied the seats behind us downed endless cans of lager, I suspect they were already drunk when they boarded the train.  Their belching and foul language together the high volume of their portable CD player made our journey extremely unpleasant.  It was impossible to concentrate to read and our conversation was virtually unheard.

by now they were very drunk - and still drinking...

A can of beer

We hoped when the ticket collector came he would ask them to turn down the noise but he was seen approaching the carriage and when he arrived the music had been switched off and the young men were sitting quietly in their seats.  When he left the carriage, the music and swearing continued as loud as before.  I had thought of asking the ticket collector to speak to them but I felt he could be intimidated by them as by now they were very drunk - and still drinking, so I said nothing and in any case it would have appeared to the ticket collector I was making a fuss about nothing as the carriage was so quiet and orderly.  My stepdaughter whom we were visiting, said I should have texted her about it and she would have phoned the Transport Police.  When they left the carriage at Cardiff Central they left behind an empty box and large number of empty lager cans strewn all over the floor.  Onne of the lads also had a bag full of beer they were heard talking about it.

We have always enjoyed travelling to Wales by train, my elderly husband especially but on this occasion, although he wouldn't admit it I know he was intimidated by the the anti-social behaviour of these young men. I suggested we moved to another carriage but he was loathe to leave the seats he had pre-booked and in any case, why should we have to?

Could you tell me please what the situation is regarding alcohol being brought and drunk on public transport?  Apart from doing as my stepdaughter suggested what should we do if the situation were to happen again?  I would be really concerned about trying to get a ticket collector or guard to intervene as who knows what awful outcome would ensue, and I would hate to think someone was harmed in response to our request for help.  Thank you for reading this.

By: Mrs C.E.Gardiner


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I read somewhere that drinking alcohol on public transport is illegal. If so then anyone caught drinking on a bus or train should be THROWN OFF!
*raging kiwi  26-Aug-2010 20:19

 
I would just like to add I travelled on a Blackpool train today and encountered excessive noise from drinking passengers both there and back. Coming back to Liverpool was an absolute disgrace; full of rowdy scottish hen party women; the noise was horrendous and went on for an hour; I can`t understand that totally discourteous behaviour in the confinement of a train; anywhere else they would probably be arrested for being drunk and disorderley. At no point did I see any train staff reprimand them; i`d further add this was in the middle of the afternoon. I feel like having my fare reimbursed.
*MerseysideAlice  18-Jun-2010 22:55

 
I found it quite intimidating at the weekend when a decision was made for first class to be filled with Football fans after the Newcastle match, many of which were drunk and foul mouthed. Some of the people had to stand in the aisles, which does impact on your personal space and makes it difficult to get bags or go to the toilet. I do understand that people need to get home; the train company should put extra carriages on a few of their trains on match days to cater for the extra influx of people.
*Dommy  26-Apr-2010 21:25

 
Regarding the loud music, there is actually a rule regarding it that if ANYONE (either a passenger or railway staff) asks someone to turn the music down/off and they refuse then it's illegal and the person can be thrown off the train.

I think it might be under the Railway Byelaws ("Bye Laws" being very aptly named in this case) or Conditions of Carriage - likely the former of the two. If you were to speak to them or the train crew then they should be able to help you and if they don't mention this law to them as they may not know of it.

Of course it does depend where your train is heading...if it's Bristol then "naw hell no" as those trains are often full of chumps.

Same goes regarding the alcohol, speak to train crew.

They can call in advance and have BTP ready to meet the train somewhere and, if needed, arrest people.
*Railway Person  12-Mar-2010 09:40

 
I sympathise with you Mrs G.I Thought Drinking had been banned on trains.If not it certainly should be.Unfortunately,speaking from personal experience,the only real option is to get up and move away.
*Mike Pratt  30-Jun-2009 06:25

 
AngrydadcalledRay.. What a moronic and inexplicably inane statement... 5 times in a year?

I travel on 4 separate train journeys a day, 6 days a week, and have been for the past year, in order to travel to and from work. Im 17 and I understand sometimes that a little drink can relieve a particularly boring journey

The problem is the people drinking it not the location. Wherever you take them they will be the same character as soon as they've had a couple of stellas- So to ban drinking completely on trains would be yet another pointless punishment on the 'average' person who knows how to show a bit of restraint, and only uses it to wind down a bit at the end a long hard week.
*Gecko  24-May-2009 16:22

 
To be honest, I have been in that situation so I did the British thing and just got up and found somewhere else to sit - these louts may have won there, but it's worth getting away before they might start pestering other passengers!
*Peejay  12-Apr-2009 15:58

 
I must admit that I am now getting to be a nervous passenger on public transport because of personal safety implications so as this, I never used to be this way. I was on a bus not so long ago and there were some men on the upper part of the bus smoking drugs, the bus driver was imformed but did nothing! he even had to drive past a police station but still did nothing!

Getting back to the alcohol issue it is kind of frightening when people get drunk I have been on the receiving end of it many times. What I think makes it worse is you can even buy alchohol from the buffett car on the trains. That is sending out the wrong kind of message I think.

Society is getting worse and it's frightening
*no more alcohol  26-Mar-2009 23:20

 
Alcohol should be banned on public transport. It isnt fair to passengers who like the odd drink on iit but if people can not be responsible then I suppose everyone should have to do without.
*Bekah  16-Feb-2009 17:00

 
Don't you just love booze on the buses: upstairs the Saloon Bar, DOwnstairs the public bar

I have to say I would like more real ales on our number 13. I get fed up with the beer in cans.Its not the same quality. And it would be nice if our number 82 did a crawl past all the best pubs in town.
*On the Buses  13-Feb-2009 17:15

 
It's not the alchohol itself. It's the people drinking it who are the problem.
*A traveller  13-Feb-2009 10:01

 
DDD, did anyone tell you that you're an idiot? One of the many moronic chavs roaming our streets these days no doubt.
*Jon  01-Dec-2008 00:07


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