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Too many asylum seekers and refugees in the UK

So this is it the French have finally decided to succumb to closing the Sangatte camp, on the grounds that we in the UK accept half.  Why?  Have we not got enough British Citizens already?  Now where can we place them? Government decision, in the oppositions constituency. What are we talking about Pawns in a chess set?

No, we are talking about taking 750 asylum seekers, and sticking them in between two surrounding villages of Bicester (Arncott and Piddington).

Bicester, to those who do not know it originally was a small market town in Oxfordshire, it has now grown with the economy to give good housing and good access to both London and Birmingham. Unlike our other towns in Oxfordshire, it has a very low ethnic minority count.  It is not that we are racist, it is just that the surrounding towns and Cities have greater amenities to attend to peoples religions/beliefs.  We do have the Central Army Ordinance Depot, on our outskirts where army personnel live, one of these villages being Arncott.

Now as a town, there has always been a restlessness between the locals and the army personnel who also want to use the public houses within the town centre, often causing the local police and the military police to sort out these disturbances.  So now lets put 750 Kurds, Albanians, Iraqis, etc. in a volatile environment where there are not many British Citizens and young lads from the local army barracks, what are we looking at?  I dread to think.

They almost always end up doubling in size.

Piddington in Oxfordshire The troubling thing is that like all detention centres, prisons, etc. we all know that when they are built they are supposed to house a certain amount, the problem being that they almost always end up doubling in size.  Sangatte was built for 700, it now has over 1,500.  Arncott and Piddington between them house 700 people (Figure from the Sun 23/05/02), so what is it going to be like with 750 Illegal immigrants, possibly double that in the future.

Another thought, is when they were confined to one area with good amenities, for example Campsfield House and the detention centre in Luton, they are determined to damage it, most recent being the fire in Luton.  When they have their freedom as they do in Sangatte they go round with knives attacking each others community, Afghans against the Iraqis.

Sangatte has turned from being a nice seaside village into being a war zone where people dare not leave their homes in the evening, is that how we want people in our villages to feel?  Do we want our town to turn into a free for all between all the young people?  Could Bicester retail shopping village be a place where you might go with a wallet/purse, but going home without it may become a common feature?  Easy picking for free loaders coming to live at yours and my benefit.

Just remember next pay slip, how much tax you pay goes towards these guys who have fled not because of the trouble in their country, but because they are in trouble within the security forces of their own land.

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There's not enough. We'll import as many foreigners in the UK as needed to tackle the British phobia of foreigners.

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Turboguy - 6-May-12 02:48 

Marsh, I agree that immigration is still a major cause for concern but think that posts like yours do not help. Immigration is a problem because of the practical consequences of too much strain on public services, including health and transport, the pressure upon the environment with the demand for housing, and the impact it has on a sense of identity on a national and local community level.

Cameron's government is, as you say, failing on this issue but are you really surprised at this? The 3 main political parties (2 if you count the Lib Dems as Tories now) are in cahoots with big business which wishes to maintain and promote further a low-wage economy.

Immigration is, more than any other issue, indicative of the sheer lack of democracy in the UK.

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miserablemoaninggit - 16-Apr-12 22:59 

All of these scum need to be chucked out. If they have destroyed or lost their documents simply ship them out to Afghanistan, there will be plenty of jobs there IED sweeping.
Or send them back to Calais, at least Mr Sarkozy is not frightened off by all this human rights rubbish.
I remember also Cameron promised to crack down on immigration but surprise that has not actually achieved anything. I expect his granny tax cuts will help as they will be drawing pensions before they get the boot.

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Marsh - 14-Apr-12 17:38 

FRAUD SQUAD - ITV1 Romanian fraudsters operating in the UK .
Kick them out now scum scum & more scum from Europe !

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Tuff - 7-Apr-12 01:24 

INDIA - corrupt country ! 50 billionaires & 400 millionaires thats not what I seen on that that slum dog millionaire movie .
They piss in pots & they are not welcome in the UK send them back to their millionaires to give them a job .

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Bull - 18-Mar-12 14:22 

Albanian scum !

But a Sun investigation has uncovered it is still rife in the UK in the form of human trafficking. It is the fastest-growing form of organised crime. Men, women and children are being tricked or forced from their communities in Britain for slave labour, including the s3x trade.

Get them eastern Europeans out fast !

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Bull dog - 10-Mar-12 13:25 

"but many are trapped in a bureaucratic no man's land without any documents."

That's their fault, they destroy their documents on arrival so they cannot be deported.

Anyway, living on the streets in the UK must be better than living on the streets in India, at least they can get medical care if needed, and use the soup kitchen.

They need all the help they can get, living rough on the street is no fun, been there done it.

Another thing, why India, are there no other nationalities living rough? of course there are so why has this particular group been picked on?

I suspect some BBC political agenda.

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Stalag 14 - 29-Feb-12 08:58 

Have a dekho at this

Too many asylum seekers and refugees in the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17183171

The BBC has spoken to illegal immigrants who find themselves living amongst rats and rubbish in makeshift garden sheds and garages. They want to be deported back to India, but many are trapped in a bureaucratic no man's land without any documents.

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Dekhorator - 28-Feb-12 15:19 

The ConLib government is as ineffectual on this issue as was Labour. There is little hope that this will ever be resolved. In the meantime, my tax pound is being abused and wasted like never before! I'm beginning to resent paying my taxes when I know it goes toward the benefits of people who have made zero contribution to the economy of this country. In the meantime, the UK border agency is having its budget and staffing cut - crazy! The savings will be 'zero' when the abuses of the system increase even more because of bogus asylum seekers and illegal immigration. This government is - as they all seem to be! - a stupidly crazy one!

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miserablemoaninggit - 4-Nov-11 20:30 

124,000 asylum seekers go missing, todays press.
I suppose you could now say that the number of asylum seekers has now gone down, that’s one way of fiddling the figures.

What idiots are running this country, my gerbil could do a better job, and in fact I have let him write this comment.

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Stalag 14's Gerbil - 4-Nov-11 18:31 

Or it could be defined as a form of fairness and acceptance of those who are different from us. It does not have to mean weakness.

I do concede though, and this is what I was referring to earlier, that the British have allowed some of their cultural norms to be eroded recently. The bus queue, for example, no longer exists in many places as people were cowed into believing that to defend this tradition was somehow "racist", as this was not what was done in "their" country.

However, there are countries where physical attack is a genuine reality if you don't follow their cultural norms - they could do with a little British tolerance.

Those among the British who still try to live by gentler virtues should have a little more confidence in themselves whereas those who are more brutish have too much confidence. This has been encouraged by the government who wanted to force "multi-culti" on people.

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Anon - 3-Nov-11 16:03 

Tolerance has nothing to do with what is being discussed, but since you brought this one up, tolerance can also be interpreted as weakness and lack of backbone. Not such a great quality!

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MikeP - 3-Nov-11 15:38 

What has tolerance got to do with it?

You have made very negative statements about them and I was saying that I find them quite tolerant, compared with some races. It's one of the qualities that I like about them.

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Anon - 3-Nov-11 15:28 

Freddie and myself are totally different people. Get your facts right!

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Fred E - 3-Nov-11 15:24 

"We are all faceless and anonymous here. "

Of course we are, but some of us have the courage to use the same user name consistently, and not hide behind 'anon' or continuously change identity when we think we are losing an argument, or to reinforce the same old argument by pretending to be different people, such as the two 'Freds' who condone cycling on the pavements.

Of course observations are subjective, as is anything to do with taste. I'm expressing my subjective opinions, with which you disagree, as is your perfect right.

What has tolerance got to do with this?

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MikeP - 3-Nov-11 15:21 

We are all faceless and anonymous here.

Observations are subjective, very limited and informed by your prejudices and limitations ( as are mine of course).

There are over 60 million Brits. How meaningful can your observations be? I am not sure why you are so prejudiced against the British/ English as I find them rather more tolerant than many nations, although I think they have recently allowed themselves to lose a lot of what made them a bit different to other nations.

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Anon - 3-Nov-11 15:13 

Not at all, facelessly cowardly 'anon', because those statements are based on observations.

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MikeP - 3-Nov-11 15:04 

Yes Mike it is completely meaningless - just as meaningless as your sweeping statements about Britain and British people.

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Anon - 3-Nov-11 14:55 

"At a party, when people ask where you are from you must say something"
Do you think anyone would invite me to a party!

"Of course you are now going to say "what difference does it make"? "
That's precisely right. I can observe what is wrong with the UK without my point of observation being relevant.

Hypothetically then, to use your analogy, let's say "I was born in Jo'burg but now I am a British citizen but I mostly reside in the US." I'll add this : One of my parents is Nigerian and the other is Moldovan.

Now you can fill in the stereotypes : I must be racist if I was born in Jo'burg - even if I am half black because one of my parents is Nigerian. That makes half of me a scammer or drug dealer. Residing in the US makes me shallow and superficial, as well as fat. Having a Molodovan parent means I must be a gangster, pimp, or benefit fraudster.

Meaningless isn't it? Not to mention bigoted.

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MikeP - 3-Nov-11 14:19 

"I am not in the least worried about what you call 'retaliatory criticism'. Go ahead. "

Now how can I do that if are too cowardly to say where you are from? Yeah, yeah I know - you are going to say there is what is on your passport, where you were born, where your parents are from - which one do I mean?

At a party, when people ask where you are from you must say something. As in, I was born in Jo'burg but now I am a British citizen but I mostly reside in the US. What's wrong with that?

Of course you are now going to say "what difference does it make"? No difference whatsoever on most subjects but, if you are trashing the British or English, then it is only fair to give them a chance to lob a ball back over the net.

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Anon - 3-Nov-11 14:08 

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