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Poor use of English in the UK

Whenever I look at this forum, and others, I am shocked at the way people mangle the English language.  I find that many non-native English speakers in UK, particularly the Polish, speak and write English to a far higher standard than native speakers.

The problem is that bad English perpetuates itself as children copy parents and students copy teachers, it is therefore incumbent on everybody to make the effort to use the language correctly.

We all make mistakes, and the odd typo can slip thruogh (oops!), and some people find it hard to spell accurately, which is also excusable.   Dyslexia, to a varying degree, affects about 10% of people but most dyslexics are highly intelligent and motivated.  Two of the most successful people I know are dyslexic and one, at the age of the 35, realised how this was hampering his career, and undertook a special training to improve his ability to write well.  Since then, he has done incredibly well.

What really infuriates me is poor grammar and deliberate mis-spelling, for example:

"We was on the train ..."
"Me and me mate went down the shop ..."
"So wot if ..."

i also get really annoyed when i see people writing like this and wiv no punctuation or capitals or brakes between sentences it is pathetic i suppose they fink its clevur or sumfink

A crossword puzzle

Then there are those who think it's clever to write and talk like Jamaicans, in that awful Yardie slang, or to write as if they were texting on a cellphone.  I may well be accused of intellectual snobbery, and that doesn't worry me one iota because I am a snob and proud of it, but I have to say that people who don't take the trouble to speak or write properly demean themselves and debase any value that their opinions might otherwise have.

I have no doubt that I will come in for some considerable flack for this comment, but please don't bother unless you can express yourself coherently and accurately, and don't waste your time or mine with insults and abuse as I'm impervious to them.

By: MikeP

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Just spotted the typo - oops!

The above is too short; so in my defence, I answered the phone just as I was about to click post, then came back and posted without checking.

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grumpyoldwoman - 9-Jan-12 08:17 

The comedian Tony Hawks was on the radio yesterday; one thing he talked about was constantly getting emails from people who had confused him with Tony Hawk, apparently a well known skateboarder.

Tony Hawk has made computer games and dvd's (Ithink) with "Tony Hawk's......." as the title. His fans ignore the apostrophe and end up with a rude reply from Tony Hawks, who is understandably getting fed up with it.

So; apostrophes do matter!

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grumpyoldwoman - 9-Jan-12 08:14 

I recently received this message in an e/mail:-

From a Teacher -- short and to the point:
In the world of hi-tech gadgetry, I've noticed that more and more people who send text messages and emails have long forgotten the art of capitalization. For those of you who fall into this category, please take note of the following statement...
"Capitalization is the difference between 'helping your Uncle Jack off a horse' and 'helping your uncle jack off a horse'."

Is everybody clear on that?

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AlanG - 30-Dec-11 23:37 

Punctuation saves lives.
Lets eat mum.
OR
Lets eat, mum
C MII POYNT?! <B)

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TAZ9 - 6-Dec-11 20:29 

Being able to leave school should depend upon the student attaining a certain standard of numeracy and literacy (in English - the language of this country). Those that don't make the grade, should be made to stay at chool until they do.
If I was an employer, I wouldn't employ anyone who couldn't write their own CV, who wasn't well presented and who couldn't read or write or do basic calculations. It's no wonder that many firms are looking for older employees who were taught properly and who can communicate with others. When I was at school, presentation of my work and my personal appearance were of the utmost importance.

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WESTON BABE - 24-Aug-11 13:57 

OOPs!
I have just read my last post on here and noticed several mistakes, please acept my appologies, as typing is not my forte.

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AlanG - 17-Jul-11 22:26 

I can understand poor puntuation and occassional typing or spelling mistakes in written statements, but what I hate is the use of extremely poor English that seems to perpetuate in the media. It appears that any form of "style" has been abandoned (by TV in particular) in favour of buzz words and phrases that seem to issue forth from the mouths of politicians, and Police personel like dust from an Icelandic Volcano.
The overuse of the word "absolutely" is one of my pet hates, along with "these ones", together with phrases like "ramping up"; "rollingout"; "putting in place"( instead of 'introducing'); "on the up" (instead of 'increasing'). In recent years, the practice of putting "more" in front of words like 'quickly', 'slowly', etc. Instead of 'quicker. or 'slower', is also extemely bad English style in my opinion.
The unfortunate thing is that poor English in general seems to be increasing, in favor of a 'dumned down', slovenly style of both spoken and written English.
I am not saying that my own English style is faultless, and on times my puntation leaves something to be desired, but I would like to think that it is somewhat superior to much of what I have heard on TV, and radio in recent years.

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AlanG - 9-Jul-11 13:47 

It is, certainly, true, that so many, people, misuse the humble comma, in all sorts, of different, ways. Then there are those who simply never use it rambling on and on in the same unpunctuated sentence without any pauses or breaks leaving the reader gasping for breath and indeed trying to make sense of a long sentence with embedded clauses which take him in a different direction when just a few commas or even sentence breaks could render the whole sentence more meaningful.

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MikeP - 17-May-11 07:40 

Some people over use commas and some people under use them. Where do people pause when they are speaking, I think that sometimes varies from person to person and not everyone gets the natural flow right. As for semicolons, that's an art as you say Zak and I think there are times when it SHOULD be used, but at the same time there are times when it simply COULD be used. How the emotions (or is that emoticons) fly when we talk about spelling and language.

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AOD - 17-May-11 00:44 

Irony: misuse of commas and sentence length throughout an article about poor English and grammar. Second paragraph for example. People, including the media and authors, have forgotten the art of the semicolon.

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Zak - 16-May-11 22:34 

This one is very close to my heart. My English isn't perfect, in fact I don't actually have any formal qualification but we should all make an effort I think.

I was included in an email conversation recently and words such as "cud" and "shud" were used. One of these guys worked for a large bank called Lehman Brothers, perhaps you've heard of them? Maybe this explains a lot about the fate of that particular company!

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Kenny (Site Admin) - 22-Apr-11 01:53 

I could not agree with you more. It does my heart good to see that there are people who are as annoyed as I am about the poor use of grammar and punctuation (Usually no punctuation at all, making for very difficult reading). Not that I am perfect but if I hear another person say for instance, "I don't know nothing" or "I seen/I done", I'll scream! I attended a very ordinary primary school and later a lowly secondary school, but at least they gave me a love of the english language and tried to instill in us the basics of grammar and punctuation. There are probably mistakes in what I have just written but I try my best!

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Hazel Nut - 29-Mar-11 13:43 

Excellent article as you said MikeP.

How some people on here manage to understand each other is beyond me! Mind you, if there are frequent misunderstandings I probably wouldn't notice.

At least they seem to have started spelling "sponger" correctly now, after I shouted at them in a schoolmistress fashion!

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grumpyoldwoman - 9-Oct-10 14:37 

This is probably pearls beofre swine, but there is an excellent article in the Independent http://tinyurl.com/3479s7n about the importance of the correct use of English.

A few of you reading this will be aware of this anyway, and the ignorami will probably remain blissfully ignorant of their lowly status in life.

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MikeP - 9-Oct-10 13:30 

It certainly is getting worse, this being one of the reasons I spend less and less time on this board. First there are the children playing and writing silly comments, then there's the constant name-calling, name swapping, and endless repetition of insults. I can't be bothered to try to wade through turgid masses of unpunctuated illiterate verbiage to see if there's a point or a meaning to it.

so i'm like so outta here innit know wo' I mean cos I avent got the thyme to waist wif peeples wot cant rite english proper.

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MikeP - 7-Oct-10 12:23 

MikeP, I swear it's getting worse on here every day!

The number of readable comments is dwindling; capital letters are only used for SHOUTING, punctuation is a thing of the past and far too many people just drone on & on & on & on (& on)without a break in the text.

Instead of looking for comments I agree or disagree with, I now just try to find one or two which can be read and understood without too much effort to translate into English or having put my finger on the screen to avoid losing (not "loosing"!) my place.

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grumpyoldwoman - 7-Oct-10 07:54 

As a retail manager I frequently receive cvs or application forms with terrible spelling and grammar. One applicant claimed GCSE Maths and English and couldn't spell Maths or English! Mental arithmetic has also gone downhill. When a young shop assistant had to reach for a calculator to work out 10% off £5 I realised to what depths our education system has sunk.

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Ken - 18-Jul-10 18:55 

I do appreciate the way people devote their time to feed some stuffs in this page/website

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sudi - 14-May-10 14:27 

"Illiteracy is the domain of the poor ........."

This is not entirely true. Many people who have the resources to become educated choose not to do so, either out of defiance or laziness. Then there are people who have had no formal education, through lack of opportunity, but who through their drive and determination have succeeded in becoming succesful and thus wealthy.

There are plenty of imimgrants who remain illiterate but certainly the English set a poor example.

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MikeP - 20-Apr-10 07:32 

Illiteracy is the domain of the poor. Sadly it sometimes appears only immigrants understand how to use the education system to improve their lives, and the English poor continue to be poor, and increasingly ignorant.

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WishItWereOtherwise - 20-Apr-10 05:42 

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