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The government, environment and oil money

Well in absence of the cold war, the government has worked hard to keep us scared and as a result, in-line.  When the war on terror failed to do the job they upped the ante to the fear of impending global disaster.  The environmet...  I'm sick of hearing about the sodding environment, global warming, carbon emissions and carbon taxes.  More, I'm sick of political environmental obsession.

I would reckon that most of us are not 'soft-left', tree hugging, green weenies.  We're just average folks who want to do a fair days work for a fair days pay, come home, kiss our partners, play with our kids, relax and perhaps have a holiday or two.  We're not thick; we know the environment and global warming are important.  We also know that scientists cannot agree on the cause and know that America and the emerging countries like China can undo, in a fraction of the time, any good this country can do in the next fifty years.

So why does the government insist on trying to cure global warming on its own?  Why don't they just come clean and admit that it's just another cause to tax the average Joe, while spouting rhetoric that it's trying to save the world.  If they were really so committed to reducing omissions we would see real financial incentives and real determination to find alternative fuel source, competitions and grants to entrepreneurs for example, mammoth investments in hydrogen or bio-fuels, reduced tax incentives for oil companies.

No, instead we see a government taking the same approach it does to say smokers.  Tax them to the hilt; make the practice as uncomfortable and the user's social pariahs, while milking the tax revenue for all it's worth.  It could after all simply ban all sales of tobacco.  We see the same pattern with fuel; tax the dirty motorists everywhere and then retrospectively penalise them.  It's blatantly obvious to even the dimmest of us, that our older cars will be made economically worthless.  Just as increasing the taxes I pay on tobacco won't suddenly make me stop tomorrow (I'll just pay more tax and the government will receive more revenue), increasing the taxes I pay to use my car won't suddenly make me run out tomorrow and by a new super-dooper, tree loving, environmentally friendly one (I'll just pay more tax and the government will receive more revenue).

An empty wallet So, what can I do?  I can't buy my new car because my credit is so crunched its anorexic.  I need to keep smoking just to subsidise the financially mismanaged NHS I'll need to use as a result; though given that the same crunch is causing beds to close at my local hospital I may need to smoke and drive more.  I need to subsidise great auntie Joyce's heating bill because all her pension goes on paying for the increased tax on her cottages oil heating and she'll now never be able to replace it with the solar panels and wind turbine she would like.  Never mind, she'll probably starve before she freezes because of the increased price on her food shopping, that's if she can get to the shops because the increased fuel prices and tax will probably cause the only bus in her rural area to be scrapped.

Does any of this hit you where it matters?  If so then I say it's time to stop putting our collective heads up our collective backsides.  A society can only be as responsible as it can afford, which is why the developing countries are telling the rest of us to shove off, with our "we've made it but you can't" attitude.  We too are trapped by our circumstances and we just can't afford (at this time) to play sole hero to the environment.  It's time for some common sense to prevail; we can do our bit for sure [after all we're all forced by fascist like fanatical councils to recycle and ensure our wheelie bin lids are tightly shut], but we should be sending the politicians of this country a clear message that we won't do it at the expense of our lives now.  We won't be terrorised and subjugated by the environmental whipping stick just so they can sound green, all the while chasing the next oil-revenue and creating a society where the well-off will make a token effort and the rest of us can walk, freeze and starve.

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Big Society = Big Con. The government still wants all the money for the taxes it wants to charge you for, but wants to off-load all the responsibility for the delivery of national services over to charity.

If you want my tax money deliver the service!

If you haven't the money con the banks. Sequester the money stolen from society by the greedy City merchants.

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Big Con Society - 13-Feb-11 16:07 

Funny,isn't it that the government is still droning on about global warming and stopping climate change? Here's a message for you:Climate change is a completely natural process that has happened for billions of years without mankind's interference and will continue to do so. To stop climate change would be like trying to tax the Sun for shining.

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DSG - 13-Feb-11 15:42 

Why are big oil companies allowed to make huge profits from killing the planet? I say it's about time we punished the so called people who head these companies as they are the ones who think profit margins are more important than the planet we live on. But then again it's only a few oily birds right?

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Hacked off - 14-Sep-10 12:13 

The government couldn't give a damn about the environment, all they care about is oil, re-election and milking the population for everything they have with some of the highest taxes on the planet so that they can buy nuclear defence systems that they would never use. The environment is way down on their list of priorities.

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I HATE THE GOVERNMENT - 9-Sep-10 21:00 

Global warming is only the half of it.
The real problem for every living thing is the rapid growth of the human population which is degrading the world at a rate never previously seen.
Population control is the only way.
We must stop subsiding babies.
We just don't need any more.

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WinstonSmith - 25-Aug-10 18:32 

HM Revenue & Customs state that 'VAT is a tax on the final consumption of certain goods and services'. Therefore do they call 'the tax' we pay on petrol 'goods' or a 'service'?

Strange but true in case you don't know, for every pound we spend on petrol, we spend 53.65p on tax. We then have to pay a further 9.39p as VAT on that 53.65p tax/good/service we've just paid (plus another 5.5p on the VAT for the actual fuel itself). So basically we're paying tax on tax!

Also, how has the government got away with increasing VAT even though its a percentage? If the price of everything stayed the same, fair enough but by definition of a percentage, if the product goes up, the vat goes up without the extra cash gained from increasing it from 5% to 17.5%.

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McVat - 15-Jan-09 12:45 

Get with it! Wake up! The oil crisis is due to the Modern World of Globalised Trading.

We are at economic war. We will lose. We here in Britain are not fit enough economically to withstand the onslaught.

We have lost all our traditional markets. We no longer make anything worthwhile selling. Even our services and banking are not what are required. Britain is now in fast economic decline. We will spiral downwards fast.

The world may revolve around free trade, but not fair trade. Its a dog-eat-dog world out there. DOn't for one minute think that China, and India, and the rest of the Far East are philanthropists. They will screw us for everything we have. And they'll deny us the oil if it benefits them.

Don't look to the USA as any kind of saviour. They're finished too.

We are going to have to close our borders. We are going to have to practice protectionism. If we don't the country will collapse totally. The name of game is self-sufficiency. We must grow everything we need. We must generate internally all the energy we require. Those who want to import will be considered traitors. And anyone wanting to travel abroad will be stopped from returning.

I fear for world peace. This oil crisis is one which will have no end. This time it is not due to OPEC. OPEC are merely a symptom of the crisis, not the cause of this one.

And our Government is useless in this matter

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Doomsday - 23-Jun-08 22:56 

The Great Shoulder-Shrugger,

What your post says to me is that you have essentially lost touch with your own humanity. You have become completely self-obsessed and self-absorbed, regarding all other humans and their activities in the world from a purely 'objective' perspective. You need to be very, very careful about this because it seems to me that such a perspective is that of the sociopath.

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frankieshrophs - 19-Jun-08 20:46 

The older I grow the more curious I seem to become regarding my own moment of death. That curiosity overwhelms all other considerations. Nothing is of the least consequence compared with my own demise. All other matters are nothing but trivia. If anything that attitude pertains most to politics, oil, matters environment, and all the other pointless questions raised men of lesser quality. Time is a great healer. It reasoneth not. I care nought for other passions.

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The Great Shoulder-Shrugger - 15-Jun-08 15:48 

I'd like to think that less money about will mean a lot less people applying fake tan to their (hideous) bodies! Maybe even a bit less body piercing, not that your average banker goes in for that, well not to himself.
Part of the oil problem is that oil supply is fairly closely matched by refining capacity. So if a refinery breaks down or gets attacked, this puts upward price pressure on oil. They could do with building a few more refineries?
We'll come through the tumoil, bruised, battered, torn (and looking pale.) And we'll make the same mistakes all over again! But please no one forget who messed things up this time (in 2002-2007.) It was BANKERS, borrowing cheap money from Japan lending it to people and companies who could not pay it back. When it blew up in their faces - we paid for it with our jobs. In future bankers MUST be put on a short leash.

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I'm not worth it! - 5-Jun-08 22:32 

The Wealth Drain,

Thanks very much for your posting, I now think I will go and slash my wrists! Oh well, it's not all bad - the BBC reports that Prince William is joining the Navy and will doing lots of nice, Navy things no doubt, whilst fulfilling his role as a royal parasite representing the status-quo that keeps us all under the yoke of oppression. I can hardly believe that in 2008 this country still has a monarchy! What the hell is going on? And the taxes the Queen pays proportionally will be insignificant to what I'm having to pay out every month. I feel sick . . . .

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frankie - 4-Jun-08 20:34 

Look forward to abject poverty.

This country has no real natural resources.

We are heading for complete and total disaster.

Look forward to the "Great Hunger", a "Great Poverty" like no other.

The Irish Famine of 1848 will be as nothing compared with this.

We do not grow our own food. Technically we are a trading nation. But all the goods and services we trade are slipping away in the "Great Work Emigration" to the Far East

We will die. Globalisation will drain the living economic force out of this country.

Get ready to starve.

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The Wealth Drain - 4-Jun-08 18:49 

I'm puzzled. I have been working since the age of 12 years, paper or milk round from the early days. I've always paid my taxes and NI and never been out of work. I think I've been to hospital twice in my life, once with a torn tendon.

If a person from the Balkans (as an example) enters this country...

Why should he/she be entitled to NHS/Medical care without ever paying into the pot? How is it weighed up? My 30 years of contribution to that of someone of one month, Non-UK citizen.

How do medical staff have prior knowledge of whom not to treat if we enter the hospital premises at the same time?

I'm not trying to be nasty here. I'm just angry as to why our resources are allowed to be stretched to the limit to those not entitled. Why?

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Karl - 4-Jun-08 15:51 

And while I am on the subject get our troops out of Iraq an dthat way my taxes can be lowered. When is Gordon Brown going to get the hint and f**k off.

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Get in the real world - 3-Jun-08 22:55 

Frankie, you are a legend. I completely agree. Last week a friend of mine came home from Canada where she has been working for the past 25 years as a nanny. She was born here and worked in this country from the age of 16 and was in her 20s when she left. When she got to customs in the UK they denied her access to the country and would only stamp her passport for 6 months. When she showed them her birth certificate they told her that they did not care. They told her "you must understand we can only stamp it for 6 months otherwise everybody would come here and claim benefits." the customs officers have obviously been living in a different f*****g country to me if they have the cheek to make this comment! Apart from the fact that she was born here, she has 10 years stamp paid - that is more than some people who claim shed loads of benefits and have never worked a day in their lives. The country has gone mad. I told her she should have told them she wanted to claim asylum she would probably have her own house and a nice little nest egg by now.

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Get in the real world - 3-Jun-08 22:52 

Bring back the Tories in clear simple terms, scrap david camerons we love the planet losers. Outlaw the Labour Party, along with tree huggers including the we'll say anything to get your vote Lib Dems

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ban labour - 3-Jun-08 12:24 

This government is certainly the worst one in living memory! I've never felt so burdened by taxation, so disempowered in local and national government, so frustrated at the lack of progress on important issues like the public transport system, so resentful at having to pay enormous taxes including national insurance contributions whilst witnessing foreigners coming to this country and claiming a stake in a welfare system that they haven't paid a penny into. Gordon Brown needs to go but what difference will it really make? David Cameron? What a laugh! It will just be more of the same - government tied to big business, class privilege and undemocratic institutions. I can hardly believe that I detest Gordon Brown even more than that idiot predecessor - Blair - but I do. Britain has been ruined to the point of no return.

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frankie - 1-Jun-08 11:05 

I agree with Anti Brown.No National Insurance Contributions, No Benefits.If you ain't paid for it then tough.I worked my ass off all year to get a higher pay rise, only to find that the government took it straight off me by scrapping the 10 pence tax.The final insult was when I went into my supermarket last week to find that within 2 weeks there was a rise of 20 pence on mince beef and 30 pence on red peppers.Inflation running at 3 percent my bumhole, they have cooked the books! Lets get this unelected D***head out of no 10.Gordon Brown will go down as the worst Prime Minister Britain has ever had and lets be honest he had some competition with Thatcher.

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Get in the real world. - 31-May-08 22:25 

I dont know if the same applies now but a few years back your benifits were linked to your NI contributions. If you had not paid enough you got no Benifits.
If we applied this rule to all the come overs with their free NHS treatments we could save a fortune.
If PetrolDuty was a reasonable amount, instead now being over 50% of the cost on the forecourt.
If there were less Government Beaurocracy and hangers on, Quango this ETC.

This willonly change with the Ballot Box, but the taxes and rip offs will stay because Civil Servants are who run this country and they are only feathering their own troughs.

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Anti Brown Totally - 31-May-08 10:36 

Spark of Hope, your right, but when we do demostrate the iron fist of the over the top bristish police who, might I add cause a situation in demostration more so than the mob of people demostrating about peace.. etc..
the no demostration law 1 mile of westminister I think it is says it all about this government, they dont care to hear us mere peasants comments on there global dominiation plans..

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Mark. - 30-May-08 16:07 

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