Police officer harasses our son
My son owns a motorbike and we allow him to take it out to ride on private land nearby. Our house is not attached to our garden and we have to cross a small footpath to get on and off our property to a small fenced off concrete section outside our back door. My son has now had three cautions for pushing his motorbike over this small path to get it into our garden to wash it down when we have been out. The police officer in question knows when we go out and when we come back. He sits there and waits for my son to do this and has recently warned him next time he will take the bike from him. |
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Can this not be classed as police harassment... I could understand if he was one of those youngsters that ride their motorbikes illegally around the streets, but we act responsibly and take him to a place he can ride safely. He does not ride on public highways or cause a nuisance like many of the kids around here. By the way, this particular police officer just ignores them and focuses his attention on my son. Can this not be classed as police harassment? |
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I feel he is getting tared with the same brush because his older brother (who no longer lives with us) was arrested several occasions for drunken disorder. This police officer is victimising my youngest son because of the reputation of his older brother which is very unfair. When my son refused to tell him his full name and date of birth on one occasion, he even went as far as saying he probably had a criminal record and that he would get his details of the database anyway. I then pointed out that he was assuming he been in trouble with the police before, to which the officer replied that the family name rang a bell. Well of course the name would be familiar, this was the same officer who continually arrested my other son! The word "polite" doesn't seem to have any meaning for this guy though and he comes across as a very aggressive individual. He doesn't listen to a word you have to say and as far as he is concerned, he's always right and you are wrong. I feel that the treatment my son has received is very unfair and I wish somehow I could complain about this officer without any repercussion, but somehow I doubt that would be possible. By: Silvershadow |
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yes body cameras are a must have for the police!it would be a start,then maybe they will think twice about the way they behave in public-rudeness,stop & search for no reason the list just goes on & on.
get them onboard fast!
get them onboard fast!
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Body cameras would be a start ! They should all have body cameras as standard issue .
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Dont expect any help from mp when complaining about poloce I went and seen mp about my treatment by this inspector he went to see manager convinced them otherwise when I phone they did not want to know and saying he is charming men no wonder they can get away with it
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probably not a good idea to complain about the police, I did, now I have trumped up convictions against me, they will lie in court, i've been told by proffessional standards that there are "things in place" to protect the police, unless a judge thinks the said officer is telling lies then no charges can be brought. even when you have indisputable evidence to prove the lies. apparently it works on a thing called probability, they look at the evidence, decide that it probably didn't happen, no case to answer. i've had nothing but hell for the last 10 years because of my complaints
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Id have the bike crushed, Nick the Lad for no tax/insurance, and send in the social workers to formally warn the parent(s) of their obligations.
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My husband and I have had a nightmare with a so called policeman. He has accused us of hassling him! This is in fact the opposite. We have been followed and still are for instance. Apparently my husband who is a very sociable individual stood next door to this policeman and talked to a long-standing friend (30 years) and we were looking into this policeman's house. We have abused this policeman's dog - in fact his dog who was off a lead attached and bit my dog and we had to take our dog to the vets. We told the policeman to put his dog on a lead and he told us to ".... off! He has turned this around and he his believed because he is an officer of the court! Sadly as a policeman's daughter I believed and trusted the police; now I do not we are living in a nightmare because if he does not win this case, he will just trump-up other stupid charges. He is a bully and is using the manipulating the system to help his aims. We are hardworking, respectable hardworking people who are Jewish, and this deeply offends him as he has already called me a Jewish ..... and of course nobody was around other than me to hear him. We do have a lawyer but feel helpless as we are not believed! So we are very angry and confused as we do not understand what is happening! So far he has lost my husband his job and we have put our house on the market to move from the area because we do not know what he is going to do next! Rationally I hope this will all come good - but the damage it has done to us is irreparable.
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Im sure he's an absolute angel just like you...complain...oh what you haven't is that because your in the wrong and the copper is doing his job?
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Fed up with CHAV's with bi - 5-Aug-09 23:33
I'd like to say Silvershadow, you are a good parent whose child behaves properly. I just wish the police would go after yobs who cause trouble rather than your son.
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my son encountered simular harrasment when he pushed a motorcycle across a minor road between our house and some land across the road [the femail police officer would sit in her police car and wait] my son was to cleaver for her, he made a 4 wheel bogie [trailer type thing] and put the motorbike on top of it. it is not an affence to pull a bogie across a pulic highway. boy was she mad.
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welsh rarebit - 16-Jul-09 23:57
It does seem like police harassment I admit, but your son is an easy target. Where I live the teen boys on motorbikes are a flippin nuisance and get the police in a right old mess. So when the police find an easy target they feed off it.
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Write to the IPCC at 90 High Holborn. London This charming officer will then be called in by professional standards department at his local station. Under the Police Reform Act 2002 your complaint has to be recorded. Before you do that,make sure that your son has a mobile phone with voice recording and record what the officer says to him, you can then use this as evidence of his agressive attitude which is a breach of the police code of conduct (the police have to be fair, impartial and polite). I think that once this individual realises that you are not going to put up with his bully boy tactics he will back off.
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Hi everyone I am 14 years old and ride a four stroke motobike and my myfreind has the same bike.they are not noisy. No one has ever minded us riding on some wastland 20 meters from my place ande right next to my freinds. 2 guys from our school rode into our street made a hell of a noise arround. made my next door neibour ring the cops. Now the cops said we cant ride. we have rang the kids told not to come back. What should me and my mate do we have never been a harm before this?
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Your film would have been placed into the miscellaneous property book of the station to which you were taken. Once no charges are being raised you have a legal right to have your property returned. Did they not offer it back? Did you not ask for it back? If you did and were told "No", what reason were you given?
It is not acceptable that you property was retained by the police. They have no legal right to do so and if you persued this further I am absolutely certain you would get a good result. Take your initial complaint to the highest ranking officer you can. They are more concerned with politics/public perception than the average foot soldier and will react better. Don't sit back and accept this.
It is not acceptable that you property was retained by the police. They have no legal right to do so and if you persued this further I am absolutely certain you would get a good result. Take your initial complaint to the highest ranking officer you can. They are more concerned with politics/public perception than the average foot soldier and will react better. Don't sit back and accept this.
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In march this year I was arrested after a neighbour made an allegation against me. it was a false allegation and I was released without charge and the police are taking no further action.
When I was arrested my hoyse was searched and the Police took over 60 rolls of unused 35mm film. Yes, I am an amatuer photographer. Months later I am finally informed that I was arrested lawfully and that the police are under no obligation to renumerate me for the film.
In my eyes this is just robbery by the police! Almost £350 of prime film gone. Then you hear stories of the Police not getting respect! Do we really find that amazing? I think not.
When I was arrested my hoyse was searched and the Police took over 60 rolls of unused 35mm film. Yes, I am an amatuer photographer. Months later I am finally informed that I was arrested lawfully and that the police are under no obligation to renumerate me for the film.
In my eyes this is just robbery by the police! Almost £350 of prime film gone. Then you hear stories of the Police not getting respect! Do we really find that amazing? I think not.
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They should lead by example - 22-Oct-08 21:18
btb...you've made some good comments there and I largely agree with you except for one issue. A footpath is not part of a road in the sense you have defined it. The boundary to boundary aspect applies to highways, not roads. A highway is when traffic can pass and re-pass and stretches from boundary to boundary. A road on the other hand is any place whereby the public have right of access blah...blah...blah. You know what I mean. It's semantics really as I'm sure that he would need the correct classification on his licence to push the bike. I'm certain you're right about that. I must admit, that had passed me by in my earlier advice to these people. I don't know what to make of this scenario as it seems, on the face of it, that this lad is being victimised. I wish we knew the other side of the story too.
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Sorry only just seen this. There are many offences under different pieces of Legislation that could be used re the problem you have encountered. The most probable one is under Sect 165 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. Even though the lad has permission to ride the machine on private land he crosses over a Public road. A footpath is classed as part of a road, up to a boundary line such as a wall or hedge of a garden etc. The machine has to be road legal such as current MOT, insured and roadworthy. The rider (or pusher in this case) must also be legal with the correct classification on his driving licence. The term 'driving' means you have control over the steering and braking of the vehicle.
If the vehicle is not insured or the rider (driver) has not a licence or correct category for that vehicle, it can be seized and the driver prosecuted for no insurance and/or driving otherwise than inaccordance with the conditions of a driving licence. Usually the driver gets a £200 fine and 6 points if dealt with at the roadside. If summonsed, a fine, court costs, points and a possible disqualification may result.
The risk of pushing the vehicle and causing any problems is guess work, but what would you think if someone scratched, dented or damaged your car and they had no insurance?
The only way around this is to use a trailer or similar to raise the vehicle of the ground on the way to the private land.
If the vehicle is not insured or the rider (driver) has not a licence or correct category for that vehicle, it can be seized and the driver prosecuted for no insurance and/or driving otherwise than inaccordance with the conditions of a driving licence. Usually the driver gets a £200 fine and 6 points if dealt with at the roadside. If summonsed, a fine, court costs, points and a possible disqualification may result.
The risk of pushing the vehicle and causing any problems is guess work, but what would you think if someone scratched, dented or damaged your car and they had no insurance?
The only way around this is to use a trailer or similar to raise the vehicle of the ground on the way to the private land.
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DailMailReader the OBVIOUSLY inherited his genetic ignorance from his parents. Infact, you represent your entire family as beeing chronically stupid. Well done. You;ve just proved your own theory.
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That's got nothing to do with this gripe though has it.
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People who drive on the road with no insurance are selfish. The car should be impounded straight away and unless you get an insurance policy with 24 hours, they should crush it. NO questions asked. It would soon stop all this nonsense of "Oh I didnt realise my policy had ran out","Oh I didnt realise my 5 year old couldnt ride a motorbike on a highway/motorway" Gordon Brown, get your act together you moron
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Get in the real world - 15-May-08 21:25
nana, that happens with all bikes when the owners FAIL to take out insurance and tax, and it's the same with cars where you have either 14 or 7 days to produce various driving documents to a Police station. And ALL cars and bikes that do not have relevant tax and insurance should be crushed full stop, crushed on the day, they're a bloody nuisence!
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