Police officer harasses our son

nana, that happens with all bikes when the owners FAIL to take out insurance and tax, and it's the same with cars where you have either 14 or 7 days to produce various driving documents to a Police station. And ALL cars and bikes that do not have relevant tax and insurance should be crushed full stop, crushed on the day, they're a bloody nuisence!

obviously you dont live in stoke get caught without tax insurance etc on a bike and it gets crushed. the bike not the child.

You should have to have a licence to have a child, just like you would if you were to obtain a potentially dangerous dog. They should give you a questionnaire, one of the questions being "would you allow your child to have a motorbike?" if you answered yes to this question it should be an instant neutering. Silvershadow probably lives on the biggest council estates in Britain.

I've recognised the fact that we only have one side of the story all along. All I've sought to do is offer these people some advice. If you think about it, as I am sure you have, if these people are the 'rogues' you have assumed them to be, my advice is worthless to them. If they are indeed genuine then it is a help to them. Thats a good balanced way of viewing things, don't you think?

Good for you Freddie. Only piece of advice I can give you is try trusting your imagination a bit more. Or at least try to broaden it a little further.
As you now recognise, a key issue here is that we do not have the local plod's side of this story. Partly because of that I am comfortable with the opinion I have expressed so far. Thanks

I'm not at all gullible. For the benefit of the original griper I am assuming their gripe is genuine (I'm not sure but I think I might even have said so) but am aware it may not be. After all we do only have one side of the story don't we?
You said, and I quote " If I ride round on a motor bike and am a total nuisance I'd expect to get stopped. This is not because I am courting harassment, it's because it's an offence." Your right, causing nuisance can be an offence. The problem is that the gripe clearly states "He does not ride on public highways or cause a nuisance".

You also said "Regrettable as it must sound the likelihood is that the police are "interfering" in your family's life because you are a bunch of rogues!" Where did you get that pearl of wisdom from. How can you judge that about a family from reading two paragraphs of text? Just because one person in a family is bad doesn't mean they all are!
I think you have made a snap judgement about this situation and those corncerned with it without knowing any facts. If the police did the same they would be heavily criticised for it wouldn't they.
I have absolutely no doubts about the quality of my teaching. Many of those I taught have gone on to rise through the ranks. You can never account for the occasional bad one and I am certain that one or two I coached have underacheived. That doesn't make me a bad teacher. It means thay they made bad choices. Their doing, not mine!
I wasn't aware I had a brow beating style. I would say I am assured and can speak with 100% confidence of my knowledge in this area. Can you say the same?

I'm not claiming to be an expert, Freddie. They're your words not mine.

On the other hand you are, which is fine.You may know it all about the law, sadly this does not prevent you from being a bit gullible. Your brow-beating style might scare others but I'm not impressed in the least.

Anyway you must wonder if you were any good at teaching. Could it be that the Tin Pot Little Hitler, who is the subject of this gripe, wasn't one of your fledglings? Who knows?

Sid...seeing as how you are such an expert, can you tell me exactly what the offence is?

You said, "It's probably a good idea to know the difference between the two, before spouting off about police harassment."

Well, I would suggest that it is better to know something about the law before spouting off about it! I was a police officer for many years. I taught criminal law to probationers when they entered the job and would consider myself to be an expert. I cannot see any specific offence detailed in the original posters gripe. If you are able to then I shall bow to your better knowledge but I don't think I am going to need to. I'm looking forward to reading what you think is occurring that is illegal.

Arresting people for breaking the law is not police harassment. If I ride round on a motor bike and am a total nuisance I'd expect to get stopped. This is not because I am courting harassment, it's because it's an offence. It's probably a good idea to know the difference between the two, before spouting off about police harassment.

Maybe if the children had been brought up, not dragged up, their behaviour in adult life would have been less wayward? Then you wouldn't be having these problems now. Regrettable as it must sound the likelihood is that the police are "interfering" in your family's life because you are a bunch of rogues! One has got form, the other is well on the way!

I never had a bike when I was your son's age and it never did me any harm. Anyway your son sounds like a real hooligan to me. If one brother has been in trouble it's likely the younger will be too. It's genetic. Everybody knows that. The best thing you can do is throw him on the streets and rent out his room.

Do you really know what your child is doing all the time if you let him ride his bike while you are out? What a irresponsible human being you are! Letting him have a motorbike in the first place was stupid but letting him ride it while you are out is insane. What if he has an accident while you are not in? And as for your other son, yes I do believe that in the era of political correctness we live in that a Police Officer is allowed to repeatedly arrest an individual for nothing! Pull the other one, stop making it about everyone else and get a grip of your children.

Another thing you can try is to insist that the officer reads the caution to you prior to any conversation you have with him. (Thats the one that starts "you do not have to say anything" etc. Once he does then request a formal documented interview. If he refuses then simply refuse to speak to him at all, not even a solitary word. Once he has done so he is obliged to make an exact account of the conversation, verbatum. This can then be used in your defence as well as against you. Once under caution then ask "I am not aware that I am committing any offence and I would be grateful if you would tell me exactly what that nature of my alleged offence is". He will then have to tell you.
This may seem drastic and dangerous but if you act properly I.e. no abuse etc. then it will bring the issue to a head. If he can cite an offence then you'll know where you stand. If he cannot then you'll know he is full of the proverbial and you have grounds to persue the matter as well as evidence of the conversation.