Schools too soft on disruptive pupils
12-May-2008
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My husband and I have produced two successful children, despite the fact that I was born on a very rough council estate and grew up in poverty, my father having abandoned my mother.  My son is very academic, successful at music and has just come first in the whole city in an art competition.  He is not a square and has lots of friends.  My daughter is number one in the county at badminton in her age group and has a high national ranking.  I travel round England with her.  She also does pretty well at school.

School teachers unable to cope with out of control pupils

Neither have ever had a single negative comment from school regarding their behaviour.  They have both always had very good reports. So what's the problem I hear you say?  Why is it that I have had to come off my job as a secondary languages teacher?  The reason for all this is that I can't stand the disgusting behaviour of many of the pupils.

I went into teaching because I basically like children and also wanted to help "deprived" children to get a good education and hence have better chances in life.  I have been doing this job for nearly twenty years, but it has become so bad that I cannot stand it any more.

In the past couple of years I have been increasingly verbally abused, insulted, ignored and sneered at.  So have my colleagues.  More and more pupils want a free ride and are not prepared to do any real work.  Neither are they prepared to listen.

No wonder employers are concerned about the lack of basic skills - I'm not surprised.  Some of these kids must get such a shock if they manage to land a job, by any miracle.  Senior managers in the school are becoming more and more faceless and have no guts.  They walk around in their suits speaking to terribly-behaved pupils in a compromising, softly-softly manner.  No one wants to take issue with these thugs, because it is too much hassle and too "confrontational".  Teachers have to pussy-foot around in case they "say the wrong thing".

I don't totally blame the kids, but the society that has let them down by failing to draw the line and say "enough is enough, you cannot speak/behave like that any longer".  What favour are we doing them by allowing kids this young to be in control of the situation?  What are they learning?  I heard an expression once about children not liking a "house without walls".  They need the security of having some rules that are adhered to, or facing a consequence.

My most radical idea recently is that all secondary schools which are experiencing problems with behaviour and attitude should be divided into two, with one half for the anti-social pupils, who would be kept in line by ex-army types supporting the teachers and the other half for kids who want to learn.  When the thugs behave in a more acceptable manner, they can go back into the "nice" half of the school.  If they don't, they have to go back to the square-bashing half.

If the response is that there is no money, then it would be a damn sight cheaper than all the money thrown into useless, waste-of-time projects.  You might also find that a lot of kids stopped needing personal classroom assistants, who work on a one-to-one, spending all day trying to control one child while sitting next to them all day!  Once these children were shown how to behave, they might learn how to continue like this.

How many children 50 years ago would have needed someone to sit next to them all day in the classroom?  It is laughable to think of! And that was in the days of extensive poverty.  What is going on in this country?  What is wrong with people?  Why can't people sort out their own children and families so that conscientious teachers like I was are not forced to go off with stress.  I now face the prospect of no job and no career.  What did I do to deserve this?

By: Annaliza


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Annaliza,I feel for you,I really do,but I feel even more for my poor 15 yr old daughter who is struggling to get any education at all.She sits amongst a class of only 15 pupils who have no desire to learn,they chat through lessons,bang rulers on desks and ignore the pleading teacher.
I have to,once again,go and see the head of year,who will once again apologise and admit that the school is failing her!
It all seems so hopeless,my daughter wants to leave now,she is so depressed,crying all the time,but she is keen to go to college and make something of her life,these time wasters are wrecking my daughters chance of getting good grades.
I used to be a teachers assistant in a primary school and was very disturbed to find the class of 6 yr olds were beyond the teachers control -can you imagine what they'll be like when they reach secondary!
*moose  18-Mar-2008 22:50

 
Annaliza - and I presume, being the social class yummy mummy that you are with your 'perfect' children, you enjoyed all the child benefit and maternity pay that my taxes pay for, and you were always finiacially supported by your husband/ex-husband. People like you show the scum in classrooms and their scummy parents that you should just play the game and grab what you want. And why not? It's what you did. And how much are you sponging off my taxes for 'stress' eh? Funny how most people who leave jobs through stress are menopausal women - but then you are by far the weaker sex, and seem unable to live without the support and money of men...

As for the education system - well, idiot teachers and educationalists destroyed a great selective educational system and introduced child-centred comprehensives - and now they complain about behaviour cause by their 'best practise'? You reap what you teach... If I had children I'd send them to mainland europe to be educated - see, they have slective schools there and no politically correct idiot teachers either busy feminising and amercanising and special-needs-ising our once-great education system.
*Edwin  03-Feb-2008 10:25

 
No it wouldn't-silly girl!

Survival of the fittest-lets face it, all the scum in schools are council estaters anyway.

Die Die!!!
*geoff d  06-Jan-2008 21:58

 
Come to think of it, why would it work? Surely by bunching all the bad kids together they'd each be having bad influences on each other. Wouldn't it be better to try and dispurse them with the normal kids?
*jk12  01-Jan-2008 22:26

 
We've tried your idea here in the USA. It doesn't work. We have "suspension sites" for kids on long-term suspension and it's just a warehouse for lousy kids with stupid parents.
*Mr. Watchowtsky  29-Dec-2007 17:04

 
Yes, I agree, lets all be nice to each other :D Will you be my friend? We can cook marshmellows and listen to Jose Gonzalez! :D
*jk12  28-Nov-2007 05:36

 
Lets all be nice to each other and pretend its the summer of love while Rome is burning....
*geoff d  27-Nov-2007 23:20

 
I must admit I am enjoying this conversation with you. It is very interesting :D
*jk12  21-Nov-2007 08:51

 
hahaha, I like to think it is I who am the sandal wearer :)
I believe it was Charles Dickens who said "love is the truest form of wisdom". You might try considering those words.
*jk12  21-Nov-2007 08:48

 
Pass me the sick bucket-self rightous lefty hypocrite!!!!
So holyier than thou is unbelievable-cleary been in therapy and brainwashed by sandall wearers...
*geoff d  19-Nov-2007 17:56

 
I'm not going to win this argument with you, you can't force a maggot out of the rotting corpse it dwells in, and even if I did help you prove yourself to be an arrogant, foolish little being, it doesnt achieve anything. But I do hope you learn to have some compassion and decency towards others, or atleast keep as much of your hateful ideas to yourself as you can.
True happiness comes from a pure heart, and loving-kindness towards others.
*jk12  15-Nov-2007 05:31

 
what are you talking about??

Clearly you've taken to budhism like so many other middle class liberals (trying to find themselves)..cliche..cliche

Wake up hippy-it aint 1967 its 2007.. your well meaning words just translate into wishy washy tripola....

As for truth and justice prevailing Ha! Ha!
What planet are you from love? It ain't this one, thats for sure.
As for Ghandi, look at his country now, worse than when he departed!!
GROW UP!!
*geoff d  14-Nov-2007 12:02


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