Schools too soft on disruptive pupils
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My husband and I have produced two successful children, despite the fact that I was born on a very rough council estate and grew up in poverty, my father having abandoned my mother.  My son is very academic, successful at music and has just come first in the whole city in an art competition.  He is not a square and has lots of friends.  My daughter is number one in the county at badminton in her age group and has a high national ranking.  I travel round England with her.  She also does pretty well at school.

School teachers unable to cope with disruptive pupils

Neither have ever had a single negative comment from school regarding their behaviour.  They have both always had very good reports. So what's the problem I hear you say?  Why is it that I have had to come off my job as a secondary languages teacher?  The reason for all this is that I can't stand the disruptive behaviour of many of the pupils.

I went into teaching because I basically like children and also wanted to help "deprived" children to get a good education and hence have better chances in life.  I have been doing this job for nearly twenty years, but it has become so bad that I cannot stand it any more.

In the past couple of years I have been increasingly verbally abused, insulted, ignored and sneered at.  So have my colleagues.  More and more pupils want a free ride and are not prepared to do any real work.  Neither are they prepared to listen.

No wonder employers are concerned about the lack of basic skills - I'm not surprised.  Some of these kids must get such a shock if they manage to land a job, by any miracle.  Senior managers in the school are becoming more and more faceless and have no guts.  They walk around in their suits speaking to terribly-behaved pupils in a compromising, softly-softly manner.  No one wants to take issue with these thugs, because it is too much hassle and too "confrontational".  Teachers have to pussy-foot around in case they "say the wrong thing".

I don't totally blame the kids, but the society that has let them down by failing to draw the line and say "enough is enough, you cannot speak/behave like that any longer".  What favour are we doing them by allowing kids this young to be in control of the situation?  What are they learning?  I heard an expression once about children not liking a "house without walls".  They need the security of having some rules that are adhered to, or facing a consequence.

My most radical idea recently is that all secondary schools which are experiencing problems with behaviour and attitude should be divided into two, with one half for the anti-social pupils, who would be kept in line by ex-army types supporting the teachers and the other half for kids who want to learn.  When the thugs behave in a more acceptable manner, they can go back into the "nice" half of the school.  If they don't, they have to go back to the square-bashing half.

If the response is that there is no money, then it would be a damn sight cheaper than all the money thrown into useless, waste-of-time projects.  You might also find that a lot of kids stopped needing personal classroom assistants, who work on a one-to-one, spending all day trying to control one child while sitting next to them all day!  Once these children were shown how to behave, they might learn how to continue like this.

How many children 50 years ago would have needed someone to sit next to them all day in the classroom?  It is laughable to think of! And that was in the days of extensive poverty.  What is going on in this country?  What is wrong with people?  Why can't people sort out their own children and families so that conscientious teachers like I was are not forced to go off with stress.  I now face the prospect of no job and no career.  What did I do to deserve this?

By: Annaliza


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I couldn't agree more. I have been teaching for only a year, after changing career from an adult trainer, and although I love my job I am filled with increasing despair at the behaviour of the kids and lack of support from above. I work in a socially and economically deprived area, because I too wanted to help deprived kids, and have great relationships with them, with many of them responding well and trying to learn. So many of them however, spend their time swearing at teachers, refusing to do work, showing no respect by not listening and talking the whole time that the teacher is trying to talk. It is very hard work and wears you down after a while. I am losing faith in the kids, but more so in the system as there is no support from senior management and no discipline in place whatsoever. I know I am a good teacher, but I am seriously wondering if I want to stay in this profession, which is a real shame.
*Jo  26-Feb-2010 19:43

 
Nice one ,teachers have no power,its time to bring teacher power! smacks all round ,bring it on!!!!
*its not naughty ,its WRONG!!!  14-Nov-2009 18:35

 
Is this in the UK? I had no idea the UK schools were this bad. I teach in New York City and it sounds like your schools are almost as bad as ours.

I had the exact same problem as you. The administrators were cowardly and some of them never left their offices. The Principal ordered us never to send kids to her office, but I did anyway. Needless to say, she never liked me.

Another thing I did was say to the kid "what kind of job do you think you'll get when you leave school? Who's going to hire you if you act that way?" I took a lot of flack for saying "who's going to hire you?" That's a "loaded" topic among "minority" or "underprivileged" kids.

By April of my first year, I told kids "look, I'm not a babysitter, and I'm not going to be an abused philanthropist. You're 16, and you're too old for us to force you to come to school. If you act up in my class AND don't work, it means you don't want to be here. Maybe you might want to leave?"

Guess what? The worst kids stopped coming to class.
*Ben  10-Oct-2009 17:56

 
Lol !! I'm not really smarting ... or even snarling !! I think you need a new pair of glasses if you thought "smarting" was "snarling" incidentally !

You are well and truly forgiven ... you do not need to rewind. Now, where were we?
*Nikki  22-Sep-2009 18:38

 
Nikki :

Maybe I'd had a bad day.

Let's rewind, forget I ever made the comment.

By the way when I glanced at your reply I though you said 'I'm still snarling .....' at least it wasn't that bad.

Cheers

M
*MikeP  22-Sep-2009 07:14

 
Well, consider yourself 100% well and truly reassured!

I can take virtually anything ... except for being accused of being a chav or being accused of speaking like someone off the Catherine TaiT (note the T, I left it off my last post !!) show!

I am STILL smarting MikeP that you could even CONSIDER I was being serious !!!
*Nikki  21-Sep-2009 22:24

 
Nikki, I assumed it was a take-off! Just wanted to be 100% sure.
*MikeP  17-Sep-2009 11:31

 
MikeP : what do you think !!

Actually, I am quite insulted that you should think I should speak like someone off the Catherine Tai Show !!
*Nikki  16-Sep-2009 20:57

 
"Your spelling is well bad, mate !!"

Nikki, please tell me you wrote that appalling sentence as a joke.
*MikeP  16-Sep-2009 20:34

 
Tom:

I sincerely hope you don't teach English!

Your spelling is well bad, mate !!

Hope you don't mind me commenting, but even if you don't teach English, you're not setting a very good example to your students!

Call me old-fashioned, but I am really pedantic about spelling, grammar and punctuation.
*Nikki  16-Sep-2009 18:05

 
v1a : I completely agree with you! And that is coming from a mother who has a child (now grown up!) with ADHD! If pupils disrupt your classroom, whether they have LD's, behavioural problems, whatever, they should be punished. I smacked my child when she kicked off, even though "she couldn't help it". I found that this was the best form of punishment. She understood it, it was instant. Add-ers do instant ! They do not do threats, they do not do the withdrawal of a treat, they do not do being told to sit on the Naughty Chair, or put in their rooms to think about it. Everything has to be instantaneous ... just like their actions are thoughtless and instantaneous.

Firm but fair discipline, strict routine, plenty of good food, fresh air and lots of sleep are the order of the day.

So well done you for sticking your neck out and saying what you think!
*Nikki  16-Sep-2009 18:01

 
Ady, if you had a child with LD's/behavioural problems you wouldn't be saying that, would you!

It is a known fact that resources spent on children with LD's is never wasted ... they will all benefit from those extra resources ... the more the resources, the more they will benefit. Whereas your average, typical child, not exceptionally bright, not stupid, just average, will do just as well, or put another way, just as badly, irrespective of the resources.

However, if you get a child who is abnormal at either end of the spectrum - exceptionally brilliant, or with LD's ... then every penny that is spent is money well spent.
*Nikki  16-Sep-2009 17:57


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