Advanced driving not age limits
11-May-2008
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I am fed up listening to the typically narrow minded individuals that think all the problems on the road will be solved with limiting driving age groups.  This method DOES NOT work.  What we need to do is to educate young drivers further in the world of driving.  Obtaining a driving licence is not the be-all-and-end-all of driving; it is purely a first stepping stone.

We must make young people aware that they can improve their driving after passing their L test – it’s called the advanced driving test.  We use the same training criteria as the police class 1 drivers (roadcraft) and the only obvious difference is we're not allowed to exceed the speed limit.

It does NOT cost a fortune either, a one off payment of £65 for under 26’s and £85 for everyone else.  You are 70% less likely to be involved in a crash (government figures).  We give an explanation with everything we ask you to do, which then leads to a better understanding of the law, car handling and road attitude.

I am 22 and drive a 220 bhp (293 lb/ft torque) car that now accelerates faster than a Porsche Boxter 3.2.  Would you have me give up the car that I have worked so hard for, just due to my age?  Should it not be based on your ability and the willingness to learn new skills?

Advanced driving training, not age limits

Oh, and just to keep things interesting: experience does not mean that you will become a better driver: it only means that you have travelled further than me and not necessarily in a safe manner.

By: Ben Devlin I.A.M. Youth Advisor


Further Information

The Institute of Advanced Motorists
Established in 1956, the IAM is the UK’s leading road safety organisation dedicated to raising driving and riding standards and reducing the number of collisions that occur on our roads.  A wealth of information including fact sheets and driving tips can be found on their website.

Driver Information
The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.  A good source of general information about driver licencing as well as online forms and links to other related topics.


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I believe that the age restriction will not help, in fact it shall just cause more chaos because all the younger drivers which are not yet passed shall intentionally drive illegally (without a liscence, insurance, MOT, road tax etc...). If something is to be restricted, it should be the horse power of the car or perhaps the engine size. I also believe that this shall not make much of a difference as well because if some one wants to drive recklessly they could also do it in a car such as a Nissan Micra (i am not criticising Nissan Micras). Driving tests should also become more advanced. Perhaps there should be a motorway test? I do hope that many of you agree with me because increasing the age restriction will definitely cause a lot of chaos and youngsters shall not be very happy indeed.

Thanx
*Raz  03-Apr-2008 22:07

 
4x4 Annihilation Chairman <<<<<<<<<<<< BIG PR1CK

Electrify you are kinda right, but the problem is that the cars some people give their children too powerful cars! They are just looking for trouble! As for "experienced" drivers who have fallen into the trap of bad habits ... well to be honest you are a complete idiot! I am a member of the MWAM, and the youngest and the fastest to pass ever. I know what causes accidents, and 74% are cause by 17 to 25 year olds. Firstly not all women are in them but some cause them. Others are from fools in their dressed up saxo's thinking they are lewis hamiltons. The thing is that it is from young drivers showing off! You dont need to show you are a great driver, the car itself should show that! do the IAM test


If anyone wants to contact me about it, or wants to offer me a job as a driver heres my email jezza169@yahoo.co.uk.
*Jez  03-Apr-2008 01:01

 
I think the car test is too easy thats why s**t drivers get on to the road mostly female. Try doing a motor bike test it is very hard I did and I only got two minors I was going for none but I made two mistakes.

making people retake there test would be a good idea. I would love to because I a young and would pass not many older people would though because they would fail.
*Lewis Hamilton  21-Mar-2008 14:57

 
I don't think that raising the Age at which one can drive to 18 or indeed 21 or any age would have any effect. I think that for the most part we see young people 17 and 18 year olds driving poorly is though lack of experience in car handling. pray do tell how someone aged 21 and never used a car on a public road before is going to do it any better than a 17 year old in the same situation.


I'm 16 and very frustrated being one of the youngest in my year at college, a lot of my friends are beginning to be able to drive on public roads, I have to get lifts, which just makes me jealous and I can't wait to start driving. (I'm already working on my car, a mini cooper s, currently has no engine, or gear box

I could go out and learn to drive a moped at 16 on which people have far more accidents than they do in cars, yet to drive a vehicle which is statistically much safer than said mopeds I have to wait an extra year, and pay more insurance for the privilege. and when I turn 17 pass my test, and if I could afford the insurance I could just jump behind the wheel of a high powered car, unlike motorcycles which are better regulated in this sense.
*daniel  01-Feb-2008 22:30

 
electrify your a twat, you don;t happen to drive a volvo do you, some of the worst mistakes on the road are made by "experienced" drivers who have fallen into the trap of bad habits.

ALL road users should be re-tested every 5 years, that will weed out the sh1t ones hopefully.
*4x4 Annihilation Chairman  21-Jan-2008 11:13

 
Young drivers --- I beleive that young drivers very often show off and are egged on by groups of passengers thus causing accidents, restricting young drivers to only one passenger would be one way and not raising the age to 18.
*electrify  18-Jan-2008 22:11

 
I think you're absolutely correct aswell as that if the government is that bothered they should put cameras in the novice drivers car and also have a stricter point system. They could limit the cars like for mopeds for instance you can drive at 16/17 but your only aloud to drive cars with an engine capacity of 1.0 or less until they're 17/18 and have to pass another test. And what about a strickter test for everyone and retests every 5 years or so.

Increasing the minimum age is not the answer if anything they should be decreasing the age and make it part of the curriculum like in America for there's hardly any job that doesn't need the use of a car even if it's just travelling to and from work.

I am a 15 year old and an extreme car enthusiast and have been waiting to drive for as long as I can remember, i'm glad you've brought this up thank you.
*P. Harrison  14-Jan-2008 18:22

 
Comment:It seems to be the 'In' thing these days to aim all criticism at young drivers. While I admit that young drivers can be irresponsible, the answer isn't simply to raise the age limit.

Can you remember when you were 16, just about to turn 17 and learn to drive? It's an exciting time, and lots of people look forward to this moment immensely.

Restricting the age of those who can learn would, in my opinion, not only irritate and alienate the youth of the country, but would lead to an increase in car crime, and people driving without licenses and insurance.

If you think carefully, you'll realise this. If you are 17, and everyone else you know has learnt at 17, you will also want to. If suddenly, you are told that you are not responsible enough, this would create an attitude which would cause people to believe they can still drive.

Following on from this, the main problem is a lack of driving experience, which is caused simply by the age at which we are allowed to learn. If the age is raised to 21, then surely the lack of experience would still be there, just in slightly older drivers. I feel that I, as a 20 year old driver, am a safer driver than someone who is 21 and just starting out, as I already have 2 years of experience.

It is hard enough learning to drive at 17, with insurance companies trying to charge £1200 for a group 2 car without raising the age requirement for a driving license.

Anything that is changed will simply change the age at which inexperienced drivers are allowed on the road. Surely, early education is much better than waiting until later when it's more difficult to learn new skills.
*HHobbit  12-Jan-2008 18:42

 
Carl, you are obviously a very lucky young man.In my job as a mortuary attendant I have seen lots of super young drivers and their passengers who,with a little common sense, would,nt have finished up requiring my services,it is part of my job to put their innards back where they belong and to make them as recognizable as possible,so as their parents wont be shocked when they come to see their child as they are being brought out of the fridge.I really think that if you and your rubber burning friends were to witness some of the things I have seen and had to do in my job it may make a difference,although possibly not.
*Handyman  13-Dec-2007 22:12

 
Hang on Carl, so because you were a moron when you were 17-20 means that every other young driver must be tainted with the same brush?

You say that the legal age should be 21, therefore at 20 years old you still don't consider yourself to be a roadworthy driver. So why don't you sell your car (if you're still allowed one after that many accidents - didn't you think about changing your habits after the first couple?), then take some more lessons until you feel you are responsible enough to be driving on the roads.

I'm 24 BTW & wasn't lucky enough to be driving between 17-20.

I think the driving age is fine the way it is, age doesn't signify competency behind the wheel, intelligence or consideration for others. It's up to the driving instructors, police and courts to keep unsafe drivers off the roads until they can prove they are a safe driver.
*Brian C  30-Nov-2007 02:40

 
ok most 17 and 18, 19 year olds burn rubber, wheel spin and race around without a care in the world thats what teenagers do,I am 20 and had about 7 accidents and written off 5 cars in 3years of driving,I im still alive to tell the tale after 3 weeks in hospital following a accident I caused, luckily no one else was injured, me and my mates would race at upto 70mph in 30mph zones, half the teenage drivers I no have smashed there cars up, ended up on there roofs caused big accidents etc its the norm at that age, some are like it even in the mid 20,s but most of that stupid stuff stops before then, I think you should not be allowed to drive untill you are 21, that would cut down on teenage deaths and road accidents by probably 20 percent overnight, it would also mean the public transport would benefit by having more passengers and the country would be a much better place for it
*carl  02-Oct-2007 15:11

 
The solution lies in compulsory re-test at intervals to ensure standards achieved are maintained. Further tests to improve skills should be mandatory. Age is irrelevant. It is skills & attitudes that matter.

By comparison I hold a private pilot's licence. Every two years I have a one hour flight with an examiner or instructor to assess and further skills. If I am not up to the mark, I don't pass. I also have to meet minimum flying requirements to carry passengers. I have to take extra training to fly at night, or in poor visibilty (instrument flight). Additional training is required for more complex and faster aircraft. In 1973 I took my car test in a 1256cc Vauxhall Viva and have been driving all sorts of cars without official 'government' check since then. Enough said?

But I said 'government' check. I have also passed the IAM car, motorcycle & Senior Observer tests. Further, I have taken the Rospa Advanced car test with gold standard at initial and refresher tests. I think this experience and education qualifies me to say that intolerance, impatience and lack of consideration for others are the biggest problems when driving today.
*Grumpy old driver  05-Jul-2007 15:43


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