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People who abuse children

Why do people who abuse children, once they have served their sentence, receive assistance from family and friends to have a 'normal' life, whilst their victims/families remain to suffer?

Fourteen years ago, I brought a case against my brother for abusing my youngest son.  He was ten when we found out and it had apparently been going on for a year.  As a result, my eldest son came forward to say that he had also been approached by my brother when he was about the same age, also so did two other nephews (though one refused to give a statement in the end).

My brother received a 10 month prison sentence, of which he only served 6 months.  My extended family consists of three brothers and three sisters plus my parents); they all stood by my brother during this time either refusing to believe he could do such a thing, or were not aware of the full facts etc.  Two of my sisters even attended court, even though their sons were involved.  The mind boggles doesn't it?

Kids playing hide and seek I have had to support my youngest son through periods of depression, an attempted suicide at the age of twelve, and a number of years of self harm even though he has received counselling on a number of occasions.  This has all been made worse by the fact that even though we believed and supported him as did the law without question, our extended family abandoned us and my son has since had a god awful time of it.

My brother on the other hand came out of prison and went to stay with my parents.  He got a job, went on holidays and gained a third share in my parents house.  He basically had a full life end enjoyed every minute of it apparently!

Another nephew came forward to say he had suffered the same fate as my son.  Of all the places he did this at my mother's funeral three years ago!  He attempted to bring a case against my brother as a result, but the case was dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service, saying it was 'historical evidence' and hadn't had enough to bring a case.  My brother also escaped the 'register' as this has become law since his conviction.

My thoughts are, he can go where ever he pleases, do basically what he wants and no-one keeps tabs on him.  He could even get a job in a school if he wanted to.  Isnt that reassuring and do they really call this justice?

Now most of the family are aware (though some still support him), his diet of children in the family has apparently been exhausted.  But where will his attention focus now, and who will protect the innocent?

By: Caring Parent

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That's a different argument entirely Gainsborough Lad!
I will let you off for that one!

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angry guy - 14-Nov-10 23:58 

These so called people should be rounded up and sent to an uninhabited tropical island (Bear with me here) And then people could go on paedo hunting holidays where you are allowed to shoot as many of the filthy nonces as you can, Either that or throw them in a room with the parents of the child they abused so that they can be dealt the kind of justice they rightly deserve.

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angry guy - 27-Sep-10 19:02 

Davo,
This country is too soft on people that do that kind of thing.I started to watch The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan and The World's Most Dangerous Place for Women. When you see things like that, and how much they get away with, it's no wonder why they think they can do the same here and get away with it.They gave up their human rights the moment they did all they did.
I wouldn't even waste time putting them on death row if I had my way. I would have that lethal injection ready. I know it's too painless for them, but the sooner rid the better.
They are pure evil.

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Been there - 21-Apr-10 16:09 

Here is one to make you weep. BBC News 21 Apr 10.

What kind of people allow this to happen? I wonder if they would make the same decision if it were their daughter he sexually abused?

Pakistani sex offender wins right to stay in UK.

A Pakistani man who sexually abused two girls has won the right to stay in Britain, claiming his human rights would be breached if he was deported.

Zulfar Hussain, who lived in Blackburn, was jailed for five years in 2007 for crimes against two girls aged under 16. The girls were forced to have sex with up to ten men a night. He threatened to rape and kill their parents in front of them if they did not do what he asked.

He is soon to be freed and was to have been deported as a foreign national who has committed a serious crime.

The Home Office is to appeal against a ruling by a judge at a tribunal hearing allowing Hussain, 48, to remain.

A spokeswoman for the Home Office confirmed that Hussain was granted leave to remain by the judge earlier in the month.

Hussain is now thought to be being held in an immigration removal centre pending the outcome of the Home Office's appeal against that ruling.

He was jailed in August 2007 at Preston Crown Court, which heard how he abducted and sexually exploited two vulnerable girls while plying them with drugs.

Qaiser Naveed, 34, from Burnley, who was jailed alongside Hussain for the same offences, has not appealed and will be deported back to Pakistan.

Both were ordered to sign the sex offenders register for life and banned for life from associating with girls under the age of 16.

They were caught after police in Lancashire worked with local councils and charities to combat the problem of men grooming vulnerable girls.

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Davo - 21-Apr-10 13:24 

I've seen this happen in other families. A man abuses his kids/relatives, and the family sticks by him and blames the victim.

You might as well disown your relatives. They can't be trusted or relied upon.

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Yank - 15-Apr-10 16:50 

I think they should be strapped to a tall copper pole on top of a hill during a lightning storm,

And let the gods do their work.

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Gainsborough lad. - 20-Dec-09 20:00 

'Been there'

Thank you for the gracious apology. Accepted and your further comments noted and understood.

All the best,

Congo

Whilst writing, may I ask 'Burn the Nonces' to put his suggestion in writing to Sky TV and I am sure they would be delighted to oblige (but only if there was a profit to be made).

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Congo - 20-Dec-09 15:33 

Congo,
I whole heartedly apologize for my mistake.
I do however still think that things like Gary need to be disposed of. In a humane way, if it's the only way.
He and he's like cause too much suffering.
I also think that the accused should have the same right to stay un-named as the accuser has.
I don't think child abusers should be let out of prison once guilt has been proved.They will only continue to feed their craving. And they are a waste of my tax to keep them in prison, when my tax could be better spent on a more worthy cause.

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Been there - 16-Nov-09 17:23 

grumpyoldwoman,
Congo said "Having said all this it is, of course, unfortunately very easy for anyone to claim childhood abuse or other mitigating circumstances to gain sympathy and reduce the sanctions imposed upon them.".
I did infact see red on reading " unfortunately very easy for anyone to claim childhood abuse or other mitigating circumstances to gain sympathy".
I now know after re-reading Congo's comment, he didn't say what I thought.

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Been there - 16-Nov-09 16:42 

Been there said:
"I've read through many posts on here, and i'm actually feelin pity 4 you. Congo is talkin of children crying wolf.It's attitudes like that , that allow things like gary to carry on, and deserve to get hung along side him"

I trust that is not a serious comment but a simple and mischevious jibe intended to raise the temperature of the debate.

To clarify a point.

In my opinion child abuse is an awful crime and punishment should be severe. However several contributors have advocated medieval retribution or mob rule and those are proposals with which I have taken issue.

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Congo - 16-Nov-09 09:05 

Been there, I can't see where Congo has mentioned children crying wolf; but it does happen. There have been several cases in the news where teachers, for example, have been accused of doing something to a child, and it has turned out later that the child made it all up (usually after the teacher's career has been ruined).

Unfortunately this sort of case only makes things worse for genuine victims of abuse.

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grumpyoldwoman - 16-Nov-09 08:35 

I've read through many posts on here, and i'm actually feelin pity 4 you. Congo is talkin of children crying wolf.It's attitudes like that , that allow things like gary to carry on, and deserve to get hung along side him.

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Been there - 15-Nov-09 19:07 

Glitter left prison after serving time for down loading you know what, he then went to live with little young girls, he was imprisoned again, he is now out,

I would bet on it that he is still pursuing his only hobby, that is why I think he has been let off.

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Gainsborough lad. - 14-Nov-09 12:15 

I would put money on it that someone out there will have given him access to kids, he still has plenty of cash, money talks,

He won't be getting monitered 24-7.

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Gainsborough lad. - 14-Nov-09 11:20 

"he can only go out of his house in disguise now" said Gainsborough, but then went on to say
"the law has let him off".

I do not understand your reasoning. The judicial process IS working and Mr Paul Gadd (Glitter) is slinking, hiding from the world. Denied freedom, passport withdrawn, freedom curtailed.

How can he possibly be "let off"?

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Congo - 14-Nov-09 00:38 

Congo, the judicial process in this country is not working, Glitter was villified and jailed for downloading kiddi pic's, on release from jail, he apologised and said that he wanted to put that unfortunate episode behind him. he fooled us all, despite knowing that it was wrong, and as a Brittish citizen, he deliberately went on to move some little ten year old girls in with him, like husband and wives. given another chance he would do it again, he can only go out of his house in disguise now. in his case, the law has let him off,

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Gainsborough lad. - 13-Nov-09 20:47 

Gainsborough, I'm sure you will agree there is a world of difference between stealing a car and abusing a child, in legal, moral and sociological terms. Being able to comprehend that stealing is wrong is not at all similar to an individual trying to understand and come to terms with the complexities of betrayal within relationships, fear of retribution from loved ones and confusion when abused by those who are supposed to be their protectors.

In addition we as humans all vary to a greater or lesser degree in our resilience and capacity to absorb adversity. Psychological damage affects people in wildly different ways therefore to suggest that, because many children 'know' that abuse is wrong, then by association every single child must also 'know' it is wrong is, I'm afraid not realistic. And not representative of what happens day after day in police investigations, social services cases and psychiatrists surgeries but is unfortunately very representative of what happens in newspaper offices and television studios.

Further, I cannot see where the situation has arisen that someone convicted of abuse has been 'let off'. Being given a criminal record, listed on ViSOR, denied access to many areas of employment, and - as in Glitter's case, worldwide public vilification hardly counts as being 'let off'.

Having said all this it is, of course, unfortunately very easy for anyone to claim childhood abuse or other mitigating circumstances to gain sympathy and reduce the sanctions imposed upon them.

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Congo - 13-Nov-09 10:51 

So on that then, if Glitter says he was "touched" as a child, we can let him off? even when he and others like him, are old enough, and wise enough to know they are doing wrong.

Stealing a car and rogering a kid are both wrong, and can both result in the death of an innocent child.

Don't fall out with me here, as they are my views only.

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Gainsborough lad. - 13-Nov-09 10:02 

Hicks

I am gratified to note your acceptance of the fact that my good friend grumpyold woman is subtle but pained that you accuse her of subversive motives. As for me, I have no such defense when exchanging comments with such as you.

To the subject of this gripe. Civilised societies leave the determination of guilt and allocation of punishment to the judicial process for very good reasons. Most of the dangers of not doing so are amply illustrated by some of the propositions espoused in preceding comments.

"Who will protect the innocent" asks the griper. The authorities, but only if they are given adequate resources and support from the political masters.

To suggest any other course is to return to the days of witchhunts, ducking stools, lynch mob mentality and village green human bonfires.

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Congo - 13-Nov-09 08:38 

Gainsborough lad; there is a big difference between being abused as a child and having your car stolen!

Kids who are abused at a young age are deeply affected mentally and are often unable to enter into what we would call "normal" relationships as a result. The damage is done while their minds are in a formative stage.

Having said that though, there is a big difference between having inappropriate feelings and acting on them.

Hopefully my name will come up as grumpyoldwoman....

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grumpyoldwoman - 13-Nov-09 08:31 

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