Men have no right to reproductive choice
Would be parents should have equal rights. If a woman becomes pregnant, she has a right to abortion. The man has no equivalent right. If the woman decides to have an abortion, the man cannot stop her. If the woman decides she wants to be a parent and then keeps the baby, he also cannot stop her.
I agree that a woman has the right to abortion. However, if this is correct, a man should have the right to opt out of fatherhood.
Even if the man has been deceived by a woman telling him she is unable to have children or is using contraception or if she leaves him and takes a new partner, he is still forced to shoulder financial responsibility for that child. This is the case whether or not he is allowed access - and even when he has not been told that he is the father for a number of years.
Neither are the rights of men who do wish to have involvement with their children upheld. Women are allowed to withhold access rights while still taking child support payments from the man, and the fact that it may be the woman who has opted out of the relationship is not taken into account.
I have set up a site www.didnthaveachoice.com to offer support to men who are being denied reproductive rights by this country's unfair laws. We welcome members who want to see true equal rights in this difficult matter. If you want to see true equality and a better, fairer system for men, women, children and the taxpayer, please join and give us your support.
By: Morgaine
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Personally, I think that women should not be allowed to have abortions, unless in cases of rape. That would make the system a lot fairer.
Radical feminists are constantly defending abortion but they then take away the right of a man to be a father and they take away the right of the baby to have a right to life.
If abortion was illegal, it would allow both men and women to have equal responsibility and equal rights.
We understand that women are the ones who have to carry children 'we get it'. However that does not negate the fact radical feminism is the enemy.
I repeat
Radical feminism is the enemy.
Radical feminists are constantly defending abortion but they then take away the right of a man to be a father and they take away the right of the baby to have a right to life.
If abortion was illegal, it would allow both men and women to have equal responsibility and equal rights.
We understand that women are the ones who have to carry children 'we get it'. However that does not negate the fact radical feminism is the enemy.
I repeat
Radical feminism is the enemy.
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Eduardo De Ville - 29-Nov-11 15:47
The problem with this argument is that there is a different standard applied to males and females across society.
Both sides have to understand that both men and women have an equal responsibility when it comes to contraception. Florida Girl and Tinks' comments make them sound foolish and childish. Women can use protection every bit as easily as men and it is there responsibility to do so. After all, as they keep telling us, it's their body. Well maybe they should respect it more and protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy. I'm not excusing men here. We also have a responsibility to ensure we don't accidentally get people pregnant .
To be totally honest in these days with all the options available you've got to be pretty stupid to get pregnant or cause a pregnancy by accident!
there are striking similarities in the arguments aren't there:-
keep it in your pants = keeps your legs together
use a condom = use a femidom
you could go on forever but, if a couple both choose to have a child they should both have equal rights in the matter. Sure, a woman has to carry the child and a man doesn't! We get that! It's not our fault though so don't use it as a weapon against us!
Both sides have to understand that both men and women have an equal responsibility when it comes to contraception. Florida Girl and Tinks' comments make them sound foolish and childish. Women can use protection every bit as easily as men and it is there responsibility to do so. After all, as they keep telling us, it's their body. Well maybe they should respect it more and protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy. I'm not excusing men here. We also have a responsibility to ensure we don't accidentally get people pregnant .
To be totally honest in these days with all the options available you've got to be pretty stupid to get pregnant or cause a pregnancy by accident!
there are striking similarities in the arguments aren't there:-
keep it in your pants = keeps your legs together
use a condom = use a femidom
you could go on forever but, if a couple both choose to have a child they should both have equal rights in the matter. Sure, a woman has to carry the child and a man doesn't! We get that! It's not our fault though so don't use it as a weapon against us!
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Well Tinks that "keep it in your pants" can be used against women also.
Since it's our bodies and our responsibility then I say good riddance to all men. I enjoy that power and with power comes responsibility.
IF MEN wanna act like sperm donors then we'll treat them like one!!!
They wanna leave well then, let them. If they can say "your body, your responsibility" then we can say, "Bye bye to you too, b*tch".
Since it's our bodies and our responsibility then I say good riddance to all men. I enjoy that power and with power comes responsibility.
IF MEN wanna act like sperm donors then we'll treat them like one!!!
They wanna leave well then, let them. If they can say "your body, your responsibility" then we can say, "Bye bye to you too, b*tch".
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Men do have a choice, they can have theyre bits cut off!! Ive never heard such crap in all of my life, if a man doesnt want to risk pregnancy then dont get it out in the first place! It really is that simple. The reason theres so many single parents is because of people with no morals like yourself encouraging parents to seperate, encouraging men to abandon their children! Thats evil!
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Well JD if men used condoms or got a vasectomy then their would be no need to support men's rights (male abortion) now would there? You can't tell someone that they shouldn't have responsibilities then turn around and say "you could've worn a condom or something".
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I support men's rights to opt out of a pregnancy (obviously only when it's a result of fully consensual sex), but there need to be very clear systems put in place to ensure that, for example, the man made sure that contraception was definitely being used, that the woman understood that if the contraception failed (people seem to forget that most methods of contraception have a failure rate) that the man did not want to become a father, etc. Perhaps people need to sign pre-sexual agreements to make sure these things are clear beforehand?
Another way for men to avoid the possibility of this problem is to have a vasectomy (and if he thinks he might want to try to have kids later, he can get some of his sperm frozen). That would be men's safest bet to avoid unwanted fatherhood. (Vasectomies are pretty comparable to abortions, as a procedure to undergo.)
Another way for men to avoid the possibility of this problem is to have a vasectomy (and if he thinks he might want to try to have kids later, he can get some of his sperm frozen). That would be men's safest bet to avoid unwanted fatherhood. (Vasectomies are pretty comparable to abortions, as a procedure to undergo.)
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all you need is a hair the babies to get a private dna test, pay for it yourself and show it to the courts.
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I got married on 2nd july 1999, 5 months later my wife told me she was expecting a baby, so we looked at buying a bigger house, one day I got a call from a guy who worked with my wife telling me he had an affair with her and that the baby mighjt be his. My wife admitted this and I stayed with her because I loved her and also the baby MAY have been mine.
We carried on and moved house but our marrige was doomed because of this any many other problems, she mentioned many times during arguments that the baby wasnt mine. We had a daughter by the way she was born on Sept 2000. We separated in Jan 2002 and she let me take my daughter out for the day a weel later, but then she decided that I wasnt to see her on my own and that my only access was to be supervised by her or her family. I told her this was illegal and that I would be taking legal advice on this. I was married at time of birth and was named on birth certificate. When I saw a lawyer she advised my to get a dna test, which my wife agreed to as long as I pay, which I did. But she kept putting it off. Then the csa contacted me out of the blue, in fact she had contacted the csa the next day after we split up, the csa gave my ex wife 28 days to provide dna samples but she continued to put it off. After the csa started taking money from me she called to tell me that I wasnt getting my dna test now (ha ha).
Since then till today at time of writing I have on and off paid her over £5,000 for another mans child, the child is the spitting image of this guy, the csa cant help me and she will never go for a dna test.
We carried on and moved house but our marrige was doomed because of this any many other problems, she mentioned many times during arguments that the baby wasnt mine. We had a daughter by the way she was born on Sept 2000. We separated in Jan 2002 and she let me take my daughter out for the day a weel later, but then she decided that I wasnt to see her on my own and that my only access was to be supervised by her or her family. I told her this was illegal and that I would be taking legal advice on this. I was married at time of birth and was named on birth certificate. When I saw a lawyer she advised my to get a dna test, which my wife agreed to as long as I pay, which I did. But she kept putting it off. Then the csa contacted me out of the blue, in fact she had contacted the csa the next day after we split up, the csa gave my ex wife 28 days to provide dna samples but she continued to put it off. After the csa started taking money from me she called to tell me that I wasnt getting my dna test now (ha ha).
Since then till today at time of writing I have on and off paid her over £5,000 for another mans child, the child is the spitting image of this guy, the csa cant help me and she will never go for a dna test.
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not the dad and she knows it - 17-Nov-10 14:15
I don't think a man should be able to tell a woman that she can or cannot have an abortion BUT a man who does not want to be a father should not have to be either. It is very sad when women have abortions just to deny a man the chance to be a father but there are always bad people.
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A man does have the right to opt out of parenthood - it's called contraception.
Stop whining - when you have a uterus let us know and we might have sympathy.
Stop whining - when you have a uterus let us know and we might have sympathy.
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it is very difficult because it is the womans body. personally I think that if one partner wants to abort the pregnancy but the other doesn't then it should be the one who doesn't want to abort the pregnancy that should have the final say. for example if a man wants to have the baby aborted and the woman doesn't then the woman should have the right to keep her baby. however if the man wants to keep the baby and the woman wants to abort it then she should not be allowed to abort it without her partner's consent. life should always provail and if one partner wants their child to be born then they should not have that taken away from them.
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mardi gras the candyman can - 6-Oct-10 16:56
Thanks a lot Tim for writing that.
Men DO have a choice.
We need more men like you in the world :)
Men DO have a choice.
We need more men like you in the world :)
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Florida Girl - 14-Apr-10 16:52
Me
So, your usual sexual partners are "old skanks". What wonderful tast you have in women - I suppose it's the best you can do?
Do us all a favour ,use a condom and remove yourself from the gene pool.
So, your usual sexual partners are "old skanks". What wonderful tast you have in women - I suppose it's the best you can do?
Do us all a favour ,use a condom and remove yourself from the gene pool.
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I always had the view if some old skank ever tried to trick me - by lying - in to becoming a parent - and the skank refused to have an abortion, I would have the skank aborted.
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Gainsborough Lad, I'm genuinely sorry if your wife cheated on you, but I don't understand how that relates to men having no choice in the matter of reproduction..?
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Tim, what about the ridiculous boys, who like me unwittingly married a woman who couldn't give a tinker's cuss about infidelity?
Could you go out there and tell the newly wed men who these adulteress women are? or is this privilege only reserved for the corrupt?
Could you go out there and tell the newly wed men who these adulteress women are? or is this privilege only reserved for the corrupt?
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Gainsborough lad. - 10-Apr-10 08:12
I have three words for all of you ridiculous men, sorry, boys who claim you did not have a choice in this matter:
Wear.. a.. condom.
It is as simple as that I'm afraid, and no amount of 'griping' is going to change that.
Wear.. a.. condom.
It is as simple as that I'm afraid, and no amount of 'griping' is going to change that.
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Or how about this:
www.trap17.com/.../men-don39t-pay-child-support_t34435.html-
No one wants to commit? Typical. Well if you guys aren't gonna respond then don't call me a sexist and what not because I present the facts.
www.trap17.com/.../men-don39t-pay-child-support_t34435.html-
No one wants to commit? Typical. Well if you guys aren't gonna respond then don't call me a sexist and what not because I present the facts.
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Florida Girl - 27-Jan-10 18:42
I apologize. The link didn't go through. But don't worry though I'll post more.
Until then don't wait for me, google it, its called....."male abortion".
Until then don't wait for me, google it, its called....."male abortion".
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florida Girl - 13-Jan-10 23:59
Well Mike I don't think staying away is a good idea cause if I never have stumbled across this website I wouldn't have met people like you and GL who claim, because I have facts, that Im a sexist.
Who claim I want to argue all the time, exc.
To answer all your questions GL......NO. Except for the first one.
Anyways why don't I post it again and watch how you ignorantly ignore them and then call me a sexist:
battlinbog.blog-city.com/at_male_matters_proposing__a_male_abortion_right.htm
If you guys aren't gonna comment on my links then don't comment at all
Who claim I want to argue all the time, exc.
To answer all your questions GL......NO. Except for the first one.
Anyways why don't I post it again and watch how you ignorantly ignore them and then call me a sexist:
battlinbog.blog-city.com/at_male_matters_proposing__a_male_abortion_right.htm
If you guys aren't gonna comment on my links then don't comment at all
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