Front fog lights irritate other drivers

....and so it goes on, a light mist descends on the way to work yesterday (and it was a mist, I'm not exaggerating for effect), and yes, you guessed it, on come all the front fogs like a bunch of mindless lemmings.

Would like to see a series of signposts labelled "Free Money" directing to the top of Beachy Head - all of these lemmings would doubtless follow....

Ok fair play, you got me, I misinterpreted your post.

Curious to see how short your posts need to be...

Why is it that a percentage of gripers don't read posts properly? You can have as many long posts as you like. I will read or not read them, but whatever I do, I will do it properly.
What I asked for was the facility to write short posts as well.

Ok it's a long post, but he makes some good points, not least of which is the respect people should have for others but don't.

Don't like long posts?
Don't read them then.

Admin I know you have your reasons for wanting posts of a certain length. However could you concider allowing shorter posts please?

respecting the eyes of oncoming motorists

there are some important things that we as driver's of automobile,s need to practice in order to respect the eye's of oncoming
driver's in nightime driving situations Fog lamps are supplied on many newer vehicles however these should not be used in clear weather and or nightime situations Because there is an increase of lighting being projected from the front of our vehicles towards the eyes of the other approaching driver,s Most vehicles now have the ability built in to the vehicle to allow operation of the fog lamps alone and the operation of rear vehicle tailamp.s and front park lamps, most common sense and properly written Motor Vehicle regulations will allow the use of fog lamps in place of the low beam lamps Because of lamps are normally being aimed lower so as to better peer under the fog, use of low and high beam is sometimes useless in foggy conditions because of the white light glowing backwards off the fog moisture particles into the eyes of the vehicle driver, amber colored fog lamps seem to work better because of less light spatter back into the eye,s of the driver using the fog lamps and the amber colored light is easier on the eyes of the oncoming drivers
The motor Vehicle regulations need to be re written to allow law enforcement to issue citaton's to drivers that drive around with fog lamps lit in clear weather or at nightime when the weather is clear.
Auxillary driving lamp's must be operated from the high beam light operation only so that the added light operates when the most seeing distance is required ahead of the vehicle at night, and to ensure that the auxillary driving lamps cannot be operated on Low beam operation to protect the eye's of the oncoming driver's
Frequent road side police Vehicle inspection's are required to catch and correct improper wiring and switching that allow the lights to be operated in a manner that decrease,s public safety and allows a disrespect to the eye's of the oncomimg driver's and allow a blinding headlamp situation that can create road rage and set up a head on collision accident waiting to occur
Some of the early Daytime Running lamp.s installed on vehicles allow the daytime running lamps to be lit in the daytime and then at the nightime they are called fog lamps and or Auxillary driving lamps and the operator has no means of shutting the lamps off
to respect the eyes of oncoming motorist's and or meet properly written and safe Motor Vehicle regulations that are supposed to be there for the protection of all drivers you and I
there is a great need to ensure that all vehicles have their headlamp alignment inspected in the following conditions
(1) when the unit is new fresh from the factory
(2) any time weight has been added to the vehicle ie. Canopy. winch, tool box, fuel tank, welder
or a deck that is used for carrying weight
(3) when the unit is used for towing trailers,
(4) anytime repairs are completed to the suspension of vehicle ( new springs etc. accident's)
(5) when the unit ages and there is settlement of the suspension ( 3-5 years)

as drivers we have the responsibility dim our lights when meeting oncoming vehicles, and when following vehicles to prevent our headlamps from blinding other's who share the roadway system
as a matter of common courtesy and to lower the risk's of creating accident's

Please visit u tube weblink to see pix and comments on Daytime running lamps and fog lamps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfYTXh7_qkA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


and the new high visibility safety color standard offered free on new vehicles where improved Visibility and accident prevention is a goal by owner / users


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMJMk9Dp9c&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

if link wont play copy and paste the link in your web browser

"I also blame the Daily Mail as its editorial comment, and coverage of current affairs, is of such a high calibre"

But when do they have time for any of that when their showbiz reporters are constantly mincing on and on and on about Kate, Shitely Prancing, X Factor, Kate, More Kate, Shitely Prancing, Cheryl (nation's sweetheart, don't forget), Kate, Yet More Kate, Cheryl, and yes, you guessed it, even more Kate!

High calibre......you did make me laugh a lot at that one!

What gems do we have today, hmmm, let me see:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2077546/Coleen-Rooney-ensures-hair-place-date-Stereophonics.html

Wow, Coleen's hair!! That certainly is high calibre, you're right.

Oi
I also blame the Daily Mail as its editorial comment, and coverage of current affairs, is of such a high calibre that a Chav, or a member of the great unwashed, that reads it (by mistake?) is consumed with such feelings of inadequacy and inferiority that they take it out on Joe Public, by displaying even more examples of their coarse behaviour.

"One answer I can think of is to have fog lights which turn automatically on when visibility is under 100 metres, taking the ability away from the driver."

That is, of course, assuming the driver HAD the ability in the first place. Which isn't always the case.

It's like everything nowadays, the suggestion of regulation has to be made as people aren't willing (or capable) of controlling themselves.

I blame the Daily Mail.

@Stonelaughter: I couldn't agree more! The law states that you shouldn't have front fog lights on unless visibility is under 100 metres. As you rightly say, the ones who put them on all the time think they look 'cool' or think it makes their vehicle look more 'sporty' and attracts more attention.
In reality, they are dangerously, ignorantly and inconsiderately dazzling other road users (in front and oncoming), which poses and obvious danger.
I used to flash my lights at perpetrators but there are so many of them now I'd be flashing all the time!
The irony is, when it actually is foggy, they won't put their front and/or rear fog lights on. I also notice, quite often, they have other lights which are faulty or misaligned.
One answer I can think of is to have fog lights which turn automatically on when visibility is under 100 metres, taking the ability away from the driver. We already have auto headlights and windscreen wipers.
Changing the subject sightly but I've said for years that a good way to stop people using mobile 'phones while driving is to create service interference while the engine is running; in other words, the car has to be stopped and the engine off before they can make a call or send a text.

"I got stopped by the police cus I had my front fog lights on at 1am."

Good.

Now for the other 10,000 brain dead cretins who can't think for themselves - they need the police to tell them.

Yay! Police do still stop people driving around with front fog lights on!

woody: You think that lights don't dazzle so long as they're under the dipped beams? That does make you sound blonde in the extreme.

If your dipped headlights are insufficient, get them sorted out. You can legally get brighter bulbs and you can re-aim your headlights (within legal parameters). MOT centres are pretty bad when it comes to lights sometimes. I worked out with a bit of trigonometry that with my Mondeo, the difference between the upper and lower MOT limits on headlight angle meant the difference between seeing 25m or 120m.

I got stopped by the police cus I had my front fog lights on at 1am.
I was breathalised with a zero reading.
Now the police said these lights shouldn't be on as they dazzle.
I didn't question this & just apologised & they just warned me about it.
But I am still confused as to how a low beam light can dazzle.
Dipped headlights never dazzle (unless set wrong).
So if fog lights are below dipped headlights, how can they dazzle?
The bulb in the fog light seems less bright than the dipped headlight.
Now everywhere I've read to clear this confusion has just repeated the same thing over & over again..
"they think they look cool".
No I don't. My headlight bulbs have been replaced on my C3 & there is so much moisture in the unit that they are not good enough. I don't know what the answer is to this other than replacing a few hundred pound unit every time a bulb goes?
Hence I found that on single roads at night, the fog lights help no end.

Come on freddie please don't roll over on me now, I was hoping to get more mileage out of you than I got out of mikep, before he spat his dummy out.

Dear God noblet, what is happening to me. I actually find myself agreeing with you!

These things are being used in a similar style that is seen in most dick swinging competitions. They serve virtually no purpose except to draw attention to the budget rally car they adorn and the low intelligence gimp that is driving it.

Sorry Loudman I used the words childish & idiot. please substitute "cool" if you consider it appropriate.

In my experience front fog lamps do not help a driver see in fog, they are for decoration only, it is a 4X4 thing. In the normal world they are totally useless, other than to try & make the childish statement. "Look what I've got"
Rear fogs have a limited use which is cancled out by those idiots who leave them turned on in clear conditions.

I thought it was just me. I drive for a living and hate being blinded by front fog lights.this has become worse since the introduction of day lights on new cars. Even so I still see audis with their fogs on. every third car seems to think it appropriate even though it has no positive effect on lighting the road. PLEASE STOP UNLESS IT IS FOGGY

Fog lights with sidelights only is the coolest. Maybe with the underbody blue neons on for that extra touch.