Motorcycles and the law
11-May-2008
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I have held a motorcycle licence for over twelve years and I’m just curious to understand something that doesn’t really make sense to me.  It’s regarding the law on vehicle tax, insurance and crash helmets etc.

Some rather dodgy looking bikers at the Weymouth kite festival - wonder who they are!

It all started one day as I was watching an old bloke on an electric scooter whizz down the road with no crash helmet on, no registration number plate, and one would therefore assume no road tax or MOT.  I presume that he wouldn’t have insurance either in that case, so my question is, is this all perfectly legal?

Okay, so now let’s come round to your bog standard bicycle.  You can actually get an electric or petrol motor to fit to your bike which will kick in and give you a little bit of extra oomph when you need it.  However, these vehicles still don’t have to have a registration number plate.  They still do not require an MOT, road tax or insurance either, even though it should now be classed as a motorised bicycle ergo a motorcycle!

So my question is, why can’t I ride my motorised bicycle (a Kawasaki GT750) on a bicycle path, when my taxation class is BICYCLE!  It’s all a bit silly really isn’t it?  Surely I should be able to take my motorbike anywhere a bicycle is allowed to go (i.e. a designated cycle route or cycle paths etc.)  I should even be able to ride on a BMX track if I so wish!

As the owner of a motorised bicycle I should have the option, like cyclists to wear protective clothing as and when or IF I see fit (or can be bothered as it happens) - that includes the motorcycle crash helmet.  After all, cyclists aren’t required by law to wear a crash helmet are they?  I’d like to know what other people think on this issue.


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There are significant differences, if you limit the power on your bike to 200W you might get on a cycle way =) I did use the argument once tho, filtered to the front of a queue and sat in the orange box, police bike pulled up and told me it was for bicycles only, I told him that's what my tax disc said and rode off when the lights changed. No blues and twos, did make me wonder if it was a technicality!
*Motorolly  02-May-2008 23:28

 
It is an offence not to have it properly secured. However writting you up for not having a helmet when you had one is also wrong! My guess is it makes the ticket invalid on a technicality. Good luck and don't forget next time!
*Motorolly  02-May-2008 23:26

 
Is it an offence to wear a helmet without the chin strap being secured?
The on the spot fine £30 was issued to me last week. On the ticket given to me it said "NO HELMET" I am left confused very confused.
*Doctor  02-May-2008 18:15

 
I think you're being a bit of a dick ! riding a bicycle, or electric assisted bike is a little different to a proper motorbike. I cant even be bothered to go into what the differences are and the difference in power/injury factor etc, cos if you dont know , you shouldnt be riding a bike at all !! - by the way, I ride/drive neither but even I can see how ridiculous your question is
*jason  20-Mar-2008 16:47

 
Just thought of another point, aren't Sikh's or whoever wears turbans, allowed to ride motorcycles whilst wearing there own headgear? If so could I wear a turban instead of a helmet? How on earth is a turban supposed to protect you from head injuries? Or is someone up above watching over them? Doesn't seem to make much sence to me if they can come into the UK and do something we British are not alowed to do! Could I form a new religion for people who are not allowed to cover their heads? This is not a racist issue but it does seem to raise questions. Just wanna ride a Lammy in shirt sleeves, wiv' no helmet on tis all !!!!!!!
*Johny B Mod  15-Mar-2008 19:12

 
I think it is wrong that the government / law should dictate to us about everything we do or try to do. Some things are a matter of sence or safety to others, but the Crash Helmet law is wrong. Do we live in a democracy or is it a dictatorship? I was riding scooters in the 60's without a skid lid, and I'm still alive. I smashed up at least four Lambrettas and walked away from all of them. I think helmets, like Seat Belts, give false confidence. I also think helmets, or the ones that I've worn anyway, deaden the sound and slow the reactions of the rider. I can understand that the ambulance guys don't want to be scraping your brains off the road, but nowadays they have a lot worse to deal with anyway, with multi pile-ups, and high speed car crashes. Let people decide for themselves if they want to use crash helmets on two wheels and if they want to use seat belts in cars. We are not babies we don't need 24/7 protection from everything, we can make decisions for ourselves. Or is it just another way for the Big Guys to steal our money in fines !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry to all you great bikers - I'm a ex MOD)
*John B Mod  15-Mar-2008 18:55

 
What a con road tax up again my suzuki 1400 cc it pulls no weight along and is as clean running as any new small car SO WHY TAX US UP AGAIN ,if they are trying to get more of use to use motorcycles the road duty should be coming down not on the tread mill and on the way up ,the goverment are just a load of day light ROBBERS and are allowed to get away with it .Please email your thoughts to this sight or to me rwtallett@btinternet.com Thanks guys and gales
*Dicky Boy  14-Mar-2008 09:36

 
Ive just spent £34 on a new IrIdIum visor and have been told by various people that I cant ware It on public roads Is thIs true?
*SUZUKI JIM  05-Mar-2008 13:25

 
ok got one for you lot, the law says you must wear a helmet, however it's not as clear as it looks. heres what it says:
By law you must wear a safety helmet when riding a motorcycle on the road.
All helmets SOLD in the UK must either:
comply with British Standard Bs 6658:1985 and carry the BSI kitemark
comply with UNECE Regulation 22.05
comply with any standard accepted by a member of the European Economic Area which offers a level of safety and protection equivalent to BS 6658:1985 and carry a mark equivalent to the BSI kitemark.
do you see it? you must wear a helmet...ok
all helmets sold in the uk......
is the person wearing the helmet without the kitemark breaking the law, or is the shop that sold it to them? you cant arrest a 10year old for smoking, you can only arrest the person who sold the cigarettes to them!
it says nothing about helmets sold outside the uk, eg.ebay from china... there is no kite mark but this is still legal as you are still wearing a helmet.
heres where we get a bit anal with wording, the Oxford English Dictionary defines a helmet as "a hard or padded protective hat", therefore would a baseball cap constitute as padded?
I know your all gonna say this is petty, but it is still a loophole in the law, and there have been many cases thrown out of court for less!
if anyone knows a cop ask them about this
*bobbyboy75  23-Feb-2008 19:31

 
ok got one for you lot, the law says you must wear a helmet, however it's not as clear as it looks. heres what it says:
By law you must wear a safety helmet when riding a motorcycle on the road.
All helmets SOLD in the UK must either:
comply with British Standard Bs 6658:1985 and carry the BSI kitemark
comply with UNECE Regulation 22.05
comply with any standard accepted by a member of the European Economic Area which offers a level of safety and protection equivalent to BS 6658:1985 and carry a mark equivalent to the BSI kitemark.
do you see it? you must wear a helmet...ok
all helmets sold in the uk......
is the person wearing the helmet without the kitemark breaking the law, or is the shop that sold it to them? you cant arrest a 10year old for smoking, you can only arrest the person who sold the cigarettes to them!
it says nothing about helmets sold outside the uk, eg.ebay from china... there is no kite mark but this is still legal as you are still wearing a helmet.
heres where we get a bit anal with wording, the Oxford English Dictionary defines a helmet as "a hard or padded protective hat", therefore would a baseball cap constitute as padded?
I know your all gonna say this is petty, but it is still a loophole in the law, and there have been many cases thrown out of court for less!
if anyone knows a cop ask them about this
*bobbyboy75  23-Feb-2008 18:38

 
ok got one for you lot, the law says you must wear a helmet, however it's not as clear as it looks. heres what it says:
By law you must wear a safety helmet when riding a motorcycle on the road.
All helmets SOLD in the UK must either:
comply with British Standard Bs 6658:1985 and carry the BSI kitemark
comply with UNECE Regulation 22.05
comply with any standard accepted by a member of the European Economic Area which offers a level of safety and protection equivalent to BS 6658:1985 and carry a mark equivalent to the BSI kitemark.
do you see it? you must wear a helmet...ok
all helmets sold in the uk......
is the person wearing the helmet without the kitemark breaking the law, or is the shop that sold it to them? you cant arrest a 10year old for smoking, you can only arrest the person who sold the cigarettes to them!
it says nothing about helmets sold outside the uk, eg.ebay from china... there is no kite mark but this is still legal as you are still wearing a helmet.
heres where we get a bit anal with wording, the Oxford English Dictionary defines a helmet as "a hard or padded protective hat", therefore would a baseball cap constitute as padded?
I know your all gonna say this is petty, but it is still a loophole in the law, and there have been many cases thrown out of court for less!
if anyone knows a cop ask them about this
*bobbyboy75  23-Feb-2008 18:17

 
ok got one for you lot, the law says you must wear a helmet, however it's not as clear as it looks. heres what it says:
By law you must wear a safety helmet when riding a motorcycle on the road.
All helmets SOLD in the UK must either:
comply with British Standard Bs 6658:1985 and carry the BSI kitemark
comply with UNECE Regulation 22.05
comply with any standard accepted by a member of the European Economic Area which offers a level of safety and protection equivalent to BS 6658:1985 and carry a mark equivalent to the BSI kitemark.
do you see it? you must wear a helmet...ok
all helmets sold in the uk......
is the person wearing the helmet without the kitemark breaking the law, or is the shop that sold it to them? you cant arrest a 10year old for smoking, you can only arrest the person who sold the cigarettes to them!
it says nothing about helmets sold outside the uk, eg.ebay from china... there is no kite mark but this is still legal as you are still wearing a helmet.
heres where we get a bit anal with wording, the Oxford English Dictionary defines a helmet as "a hard or padded protective hat", therefore would a baseball cap constitute as padded?
I know your all gonna say this is petty, but it is still a loophole in the law, and there have been many cases thrown out of court for less!
if anyone knows a cop ask them about this
*bobbyboy75  23-Feb-2008 17:40


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