CSA, fathers rights and paternity issues
Still Guilty according to the CSA, does that sound like you too? I'm a hard working person that comes from a hard working family. I decided to head off into the big wide world of life, meeting new people on my way. I met a girl and had a 'thing' with her for a few weeks. She sadly dumped me, telling me she wanted to see other people. Yet she would still get drunk and knock on my door late at night. She got pregnant, and pointed the finger at a guy she was sleeping with. I moved on with my life, not giving it a second thought... Then one year later a brown envelope came through my door. It said that I was a non-resident parent and I had to fill out a few forms about my financial situation. I went to seek legal help, and they said I had to do it. I shouted from the rooftops that this kid wasnt mine, but I have to come up with £200 for a DNA test. I can only just pay my bills and if proved I am the father, I have to pay 15% of my income after tax.
How can people sleep at night knowing that men are being treated in this fashion, like a walking wallet? Kids would never starve or be mistreated if we didnt pay. The government would help them. So why are they playing on the heartstrings of the population? In my situation I am being taxed for something I had no intention of bringing into this world. She had a choice, and if she were honest from day one, things might have worked out differently. We could have talked about it, and weighed up the options.
I dont sleep; I lost a woman I love. All because of the stress and torment this situation is providing. I'm refusing to pay because I am in essence being held at an immoral gunpoint. In retrospect yes there is a child, yes it could be mine and yes it has a life and has a right to have a father. But I never wanted a child at this point in my life, she did. For being immoral this woman now has an easy life. Bring up a kid on the social, come up with excuses so she never has to work and there she will be. No questions asked.
Why are we letting society go in this direction? We are after all British, we have won wars and many other countries model themselves on us! Isnt it about time to get rid of this unfair system, which must surely be against human rights? I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of guys out there that really love kids and wont be able to relate to me. But Ill say to the others, your not alone guys!
To the mothers that are pointing fingers and thinking that you can get a free trip in life Watch out, because the tables will turn!
By: thefox01
Comments from visitors
The CSA dont give 2 hoots about peoples feeling at all! they just have the guys hung drawn and quartered just because 1 person says hes the daddy! not good enough!!
I even said to them so if i said the guy that stays in the big house at the bottom of my street is the daddy to my wee boy i can get child support? they said no thats not how it works! i said really coz thats what your doing! because you said a woman always knows who the father of her child is! and without DNA i can do anything!! x
I really dont know how the people who work for the CSA can sleep well at night knowing how many peoples life they are playing with!! :) x
pissedofwife) x - 12-Jan-12 14:21
I had a one night stand about 3 years ago with a girl I didn't know. The morning after I asked if she was on the pill, She said 'yes', panic over back to normal Life.
WRONG! She wrote a letter to me after about 6 months since the one night stand telling me that i was the father of this child (I still cannot be sure to this day that the child is mine, but you always presume the worst). I was only in my teens at the time and I was so upset and angry that this woman had dropped the bombshell on me, giving no option for me. She wanted to meet me, we met, I told her I wanted nothing to do with her or her child. This was unplanned, unwanted and I had no choice, she did. She accepted my decision that I wanted nothing from her and she said "at the time" wanted nothing from me and would leave me alone.
WRONG AGAIN. 2 years down the line I have the same brown envelope shoved through my door off the CSA saying that I need to pay 15% of my salary. I work hard for what little money I get in, i don't live out of my means and just get by. These payment will leave me with nothing. Solicitor says there is nothing I can do apart from DNA test, which I will do. This has caused all sorts of stress in my life and as a result lost a long term girlfriend, struggling at work and I am now taking anti-depressat drugs. Yes a child is born and didn't have choice about being born... but that makes 2 of us, she was the only one in control of the situation the whole time and could of stopped it. If I can avoid giving her anything at all I will. If the child is mine and turns up at my door in years to come I will explain exactly what happened and I will feel no emotion or sympathy towards it. Men have no rights on this matter and it's just all a bit to easy for girls to get themselves into a situation like this and have complete control. The CSA system has to be challenged and hopefully for the next case like this there might be some legislation in place. I am writing to my MP.
Every other bloke out there like me... I feel for you..... but don't let the bastards grind you down!!
Mother of two you are angry about it aren't you?
My guess is your blokes got a deduction from earnings order placed on his wages for his 'other' family & it pisses you off!!!!!
Life just ain't fair is it ;)
Michael Hunt - 28-Sep-11 17:37
Mother of two - 31-Aug-11 23:52
I applied for a better paying job at my work in order to help pay bills. The CSA increased the payments. I was having trouble getting to work. I had a new partner and a daughter and took care of her 3 children as well. With all the worry and stress I became ill and quit my job and eventually, after 6 months, I got a locally low paid job that was low stress. The CSA means tested me and I was "nil assessed" as I could not afford to pay on such a low wage and with 4 children to take care of. I managed to sell my flats for a small profit as they had started to come out of negative equity and as I was getting behind with mortgage payments it was better than losing them. I paid off the CSA arrears. (My son's inheritance now gone )
Then the CSA brought in a "new" system. They told my ex to close the old case and wait 12 weeks and open a new case. The new system did away with means testing and took 15% of ones wage.
This she did. I thought that she had closed the case as she was remarried and had a new house all paid for and was happy and did not need the hastle of all the forms. The CSA tried to open the "new" case but as they had not properly closed the "old" case the computers would not let them open it. They also lost my file and had to re-create it using computer copies. So it took 18 months to open the new case. In the meantime I was not informed there was a new case and therefore was not putting any money away. I got a call at work from the CSA to tell me I was now £2600 in debt. I was angry and shocked. I refused to pay as no one had told me. They started a DEO from my wages. I went to a tribunal, but the chairman was corrupt and knew who paid his wages. He refused to ask the CSA to produce any evidence that they had properly opened a new case. He spent all his time asking why I had not paid any maintenance when it was obvious I had as there was a DEO. I appealed but the appeal was refused.(same chairman looks at the case). I went to ICE and they supposedly investigated and found the CSA had opened the case properly.They cannot be independent! And yet to this day I have never seen any evidence to prove the CSA informed me there was a new case. Even the finance form that I should have filled out was filled by someone else using computer data. My file revealed that the "initial effective date" was 18 months after they say. Then they backdated it after the event putting me in debt.
Fast forward several years and I did not have to support my son due to his age. Also my employers stopped deducting payments as the CSA said I was up-to-date and the debt all paid. The case was to be closed. A year later, I had changed jobs and received a letter from the CSA saying that a DEO had been setup on my new job to take assessed money from my wages! I called to ask why. I was informed that it was a mistake and the CSA actually owed me over-paid £153.04.
A year later I called the CSA to ask why I had not received a "case-closed" and the £153.04 they owed me. I was told that they had been trying to contact me and that I owed £1600! Lucky for me I had kept all my paperwork and sent wage slips detailing all the payments taken from my wages. (The CSA were not bothered in contacting my old employers about payments). I managed to prove (I Think) that they should have closed the case and that I had paid all I owed. I have so far not received a reply. No case closed nor my £153.04.
If that is not bad enough I split from my partner as she started an affair behind my back. I left her in her rented home with all the furniture and moved. She has worked only 2 weeks in the past 12 years since we have been together. As I said before I supported her and her 3 children and our daughter. It took me some time to adjust and get on my feet. Her new partner, who is working, lives with her and pretends to live in a flat. I agreed to pay a small amount towards supporting our daughter but at first my partner refused as it would affect her benefit. I paid some into her bank account directly and she got angry. Now the CSA have contacted me to make an assessment. It bothered me as I, again have been generous. She has benefits coming in and her partner's wage as well. She did say that he has to pay CSA for his daughter and arrears but they have no overheads as benefits pays this. It may be that she was successful in claiming disability due to a bowel complaint and that this benefit will not be affected by me paying support. But I think she is evil as I tried to pay her support but she refused to accept it. The make matters worse whne our daughter was born my partner put "father unknown" on the birth certificate as I was still not divorced at the time. While we lived together I never bothered adding my name to the certificate. but now we have separated and I am due to pay CSA. I wanted to get my named added as the father. But for some reason my ex-partner refuses to do so. So here I am about to pay child support when I have no parental rights and am wondering whether I might not be the father afterall! I hope I am her father but will probably have to get a DNA test to prove it and go to court to get my name added to her birth certificate.
fed up! Newcastle upon Tyne - 28-Apr-11 10:30
You wouldn't get shared custody if you were homeless!!!!
Get a life
CashSteelingAholes - 3-Mar-11 01:11
1) Because of a money grabbing mother who has had £ 106,000 out of me in divorce and child maintenance.
2) Because I am a criminal in the eyes of the CSA, Politicians and Government!
NEVER gain, wil I do ANYTHING public spirited, charitable or to assist any councillor or politician. Shove your AV referendum where the sun don't shine, and any future ballot papers in the same place!
Rippedoffdad - 21-Feb-11 13:28
I contacted the CSA years ago when I became full time employed. I rang them 5 times and sent them 3 letters but nothing was ever done. Due to the payments they asked for before being so low I had told my ex that anthing she needed ie school uniforms trips ect just let me know. Since then I have got a morgage.
End of last september I received a letter from them saying they are doing a review. I gave them the information which they lost and had to get again) and then they told me I am to ay £100 a week. This was at the end of december. They then said that the date of the review was for 30th august so the figure was backdated to then making me in arrears. They then said I am to pay an extra £25 I week to clear the arrears so I am now paying £125 a week all for 1 child. I take home pay is only £355 a week.
My daughter also does dancing that I have payed for since she was 3 years old (now 13) 3 times a year they do a test which is extra money.
My x has decided that she isnt going to help towards the test price. £60 next saturday. Her only reason is because I said I would sort out the dancing when I first got her into it 10 years ago. The money I pay for the csa is supposed to be for my daughters upkeeo and activities. She said she is skint because she has just had a £200 gas bill. She had ust received £700 off the csa that I payed over december.
no rights for men - 14-Jan-11 08:15
It is for me and me ALONE to make financial arrangements for my children. NOT a politician, NOT a pen-pushing-bonus seeking-incompetent thief at the CSA/CMEC/DWP.
£4 billion pounds uncollected? I want ALL of my money back+interest+damages.
Rippedoffdad - 18-Oct-10 13:43
The farther pays the csa not the mother they are full of pretencious public school girls pretending to help the mother. The mother is also forced to disclose thefarthers name or get her benefit stopped making her vulnerable to violence and intimidation nothing in great britain the government benefits the people only there concern is revenue protection and statistics.I HATE CIVIL SEVANTS.





