Some pubs not family friendly
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I have a gripe about family rooms in pubs.  I was due to meet my friends for lunch as one of them was celebrating their birthday.  I had my thirteen-year-old Aspergers boy with me and to be honest, I am very disappointed by the way the bar staff treated us.

Children in pubs - Having a meal in the family room at a family friendly pub

I was told that I had to leave because of my child

The barmaid at the pub told me that I had to sit in the family room with him to eat my meal, which was fine and I was quite happy to do this.  I then went to get my friend and I a drink to celebrate her birthday and was told that I had to leave because I had finished my meal.  She said that I couldn't have a drink because my son was with me and it was due to the licensing laws.  We had to leave, even though he was not having a drink or eating; it made no difference that he was just sat quietly next to me playing a gameboy.

Not only that, when I went back to tell my friends and politely take my leave, she came up to me again and insisted that I leave the bar.  It felt as though I was being thrown out just because I dared to have a child with me!  I don't know if this kind of thing is quite common or not, but I couldn't see the problem as I was the parent and he wasn't even having a drink let alone alcohol. Why was he not allowed to just sit by me?  If he'd been a toddler, would we have been treated in the same manner?

Also, it was extremely embarrassing to be told to leave the way that I was.  Needless to say neither I, nor my friends will ever visit that pub again and I would like to know exactly what the licensing law does say about this matter.

For example, in a restaurant you wouldn't expect to be kicked out as soon as you had eaten would you?  In some pub chains such as Brewers Fayre, you can have a meal and a drink with family and not be immediately evicted as soon as you'd finished.  I thought that this was the whole idea of family rooms?


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Mr Sinky – yes, I distinctly remember being traipsed from pub to pub almost every weekend as a kid. It was “packet of crisps, glass of coke and a good few hours to watch my Dad get increasingly drunk and argumentative” and I hated every minute of it.

I’ve taken my children into restaurants with us several times but have yet to be hurried out at all, let alone in a way this person describes. What I have seen however is restaurant / pub managers asking parents to leave when they’ve had one too many and/or if their kids are running riot.

If you are going out purely to relax and enjoy a drink, the kids should not go with you.
*Webby  13-Feb-2010 00:18

 
If its a quiet meal, fair enough but last week in our local there were 3 screaming, uncontrollable little brats running up and down and spoiling our enjoyment. Badly behaved kids should not be allowed in an adult place of leisure.
*bugsy  05-Feb-2010 22:34

 
im sorry but im sure all of you when you were little was taken to the pub at least once a month or on special occasions, where yout parents met up with friends and family, enjoyed a wee tipple while the kids got a packet of cheese ad oinion and a can of coke.
Did it do you any harm, my local in south london was the pillar of the community, all events, fete's fundraisers and family days out was organised in here over a few beers, bingo and kids getting 20p's and 50p's off the drunks as they left for a nap for being good.
Come on lets not get forced to stay at home families can enjoy pub's make new friends, and keep there kids undeer control and teach them how to behave in public and respect elders.
*mr sinky  18-Jan-2010 18:47

 
You are all missing the point completly!!!!!!!!!!!...

When BRITAIN........... england, scotland .... and I should imagine wales (i dont really know the licensing laws there!) finnally put the emphasis of responsibility on the individual is when you will see the natural order of things settle with regards to licenseing.... I have worked in pubs and hotels for many years and now in scotland if me or any of my staff serves anybody under the age of 18 WE are PERSONALLY responible for a £2000 fine..... not the estblishment US PERSONALLY!!!!! .

when the law system wakes up to the sense that the individual is responsible for their actions (under the influence or not) then we will see the licenseing laws sorted properly in this country so at the moment no children should not be allowed in pubs (thats the law that we have to deal with!!!!!!!!) infant, teenager or 17years and 11months you are not allowed in..... but sort out the laws and I believe there are establishments that can cater for and thrive with the family trade......
*annoyedbarsteward  15-Dec-2009 14:43

 
I dont understand the last part of this. Why would you willingly go into a pub if you didn't want alcohol? If you just wanted a meal then why not just go to a restaurant? surely this is the safer option? I work in a pub that doesn't allow any children inside the building. I dont think a pub environment is the best place for a child. most pubs in my area have no childrens area, no games for children or colouring in or anything that could keep a child entertained. I dont believe it is needed either. I you look into the history of pubs they were intended for adults with drugs and prostitution a common thing to happen.People wouldn't take their children in then and they shouldn't now. although the prostitution is gone, drugs are still a major problem within the pub industry with almost every pub having at least one incident a week. You surely cant think that a pub is a healthy environment for a child. if so, why not bring back hitting your child to show it disipline then? cause people used to think that was okay too! the view that your child will be quiet and/or asleep is completely redundant when it comes to pubs as there is nothing for them to do and although your child is nice I can assure you that your child is the minority and most children are not looked after. you shouldn't be setting a bad example to your child and drinking in front of them anyway. even one drink means you are intoxicated with a drug. you go on about smoking but surely letting your child see people who are intoxicated and people that aren't that nice is worse than getting a puff of smoke from a cigarette. If you drink a 175ml glass of wine or a pint of strong beer (4.5 or over) you are putting your child in danger. especially if you are driving back with them. if you were pulled over by the police you would be over the limit (in most cases).
*I don't understand you people  17-Nov-2009 15:00

 
You are oppressing a section of the population. So long as pubs are a facility that folks looking for places to eat or to keep meeting their freinds find dfificult to avoid even if they have no necessary interest at all in alcohol, saying no children is oppression. It's particularly oppression of teenage friends who are aged short timespans on each side of the arbitrary 18 and it justifies teenagers feeling motivated to rebel and hit back at society with destructive sanctions of their own.
*Mogz  02-Nov-2009 18:20

 
Children should not be in Pubs! The pub is for adults to meet up in and drink alcohol. Its just not a good place to take children. If you want a meal go to a resturant, I was in the pub and we were all watching the match about 200 blokes then a family walk in for lunch ? they became offended by the shouting and what not. I explained this is a football pub where men meet to watch the game and let of some steam! go have lunch elsewhere you muppett.
*aleedsfella  29-Sep-2009 10:38

 
It's entirely at managements discretion as to whether your child is allowed at the bar. A lot of pubs are now saying that children must be acompanied at all times so, effectively, when you left your child sat on his own playing with the gameboy he was unsupervised. It is all too easy for any adult to be distracted for a few seconds and for a child to wonder out of the premises and into a road full of traffic or worse.
*Apache  29-Sep-2009 09:54

 
I've just visited every pub between the botanical gardens and Carlton Hill in Edinburgh, and none would let us have a quiet half while our 10 month old baby slept. Some holiday! Aparently you need a special license in Scotland. I agree that settling into your local Ba ha ha on a Saturday night and drinking cocktails while your five and three year old snooze on the sofa under the speakers and next to the men's urinal is a bad idea. Some pubs are just for adults. However, having a quiet afternoon tipple while your baby sleeps is fine surely? Not endangering the child, not bothering anyone else... In Bristol the pubs are set up to deal with this - in Edinburgh even the 'family' bars don't have changing facilities and play music too loud. Locals might complain that your city is full of English idiots getting beer'd up on stag and hen do's, but that seems to be the only type of clientel your pubs cater for!
*Mamamia  27-Sep-2009 19:46

 
Well there you go ,you are not in the minority,kick kids out,bring back swearing ,smoking,and all the grown up things kiddie huggers hate the better,if you like children that much work in a childrens home! I hope the people who enjoy a quiet jar stand together..
*leave my pub in peace  07-Sep-2009 20:56

 
in australia I can be in there at midnight and no-one pays any attention to me (depending on the pub and whats on)
*noodles  05-Sep-2009 06:54

 
I live in australia, and was in the uk, europe and scotland recently - Edenburgh is the worst place of them all - i'm 14 - I was basically yelled at and told to get out of the place straight away!! one of the pubs that did that had a sign up - "all staff members must be courteous to customers" courtesy? hell no!

Another pub there was a family room, but we didnt want to sit in a room and share a table full of screaming infants.i was not acting in a hyper-active manner such as running around the place or anything - I sat down at a table while my dad went to the bar and ordered drinks, the drinks came, then the waitress said we had to pay for our drinks then leave - we left without paying for our drinks - I said something insulting to her about the service as we were walking out...How can they charge us for drinks that we didn't even touch?
*noodles  05-Sep-2009 06:52


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