Stupid managers and team leaders

I have had alot of Managers and I can confirm that 99% of those in that position only got their job because of who they know. Knowledge and skills do not come into it, in fact the thicker they are the more likely they will be to get the job. Big companies do not want people will a mind of their own in management positions, they want YES men!

Well I do a skill position I have had managers who were given the part because they looked or acted the part, which is how most get that job in the first place. Then it is a toss up between capable and incapable of making the (right) decisions, many managers make decisions but I would guess only about 40 percent make the right (rational decisions). It really comes down to logic, most bad managers try to enforce illogical decisions because of what I call (I think it, therefore it's true) thinking. It's really no big deal though the bad ones get fired just like everybody else. Keep in mind in these office type jobs a lot of these people are under contract so if they misrepresented themselves as more than they are, your bosses boss may not be ABLE to get rid of them as soon as you would like. I notice a few Pro manager statements here, I imagine who are managers themselves. The bad ones usually last a year or less in the position(whatever job), you notice people quit or get fired in that time. They usually try to take as many with them as they can out of spite. The problem is not the position itself but who is attracted to leadership, the best managers are promoted the bad ones are hired based off personality and ability to pass of bullshit as fact... you know Republicans.

Sounds like the whole of the original griper's problem was a set of badly designed forms, forms which are incapable of capturing real-life data with all its imperfections and missing values.

If the original griper does not understand this, they will remain an inconsequential cog in someone else's grinding machine for the rest of their working life.

Amazing how every employee thinks his manager(s) are crap and they know the solution to everything. Original Poster - you're a data processor, for God's sake. the people you're criticising porbably have to deal with a wider variety of decisions and info in a day than you do in a year. Stop being such a typical excel geek. it may be frustrating that they don't share your single area of spreadsheet familiarity but that fact's probably keeping you off the dole queue.

Great anti establishment sentiments. I'm in total agreement with everyone here!

I imagine that the people who are being asked to fill in the data can't really be bothered. In their minds I believe that they believe they've got loads more important things to do. Perhaps the best thing to do is to abandon it altogether.

I think I know this Tam person. Who does he work for?

Many of them have benefitted from the modern idiocy of an idea that you don't need to know anything about a job to be able to manage it, or, of course the people who do it ! Problem is, most of the employees crawl around the "line manager" parasites, even when thy know they know nothing whatsoever. We all have to sit there and pretend to be serious about these parasites "judgements" and "appraisals". From their position of complete (often total rookie) ignorance, how do they have the cheek to carry out the discussions ? What a bunch of talentless parasites !

The company that I work for employs managers that know nothing of the product we produce. They do love facts,figures and colourful graphs and charts though. But you know what they say about statistics...They are like a lampost to a drunken man, used more for support than enlightenment!

Tam Fitzsimmons is a Director for the last place I worked. We used to nickname him FUF (F - Up Fairy). The guy is dumb and just wants to fall out with everybody. He used to be in work twelve hours a day and expect the same from everyone else. He caused loads of excellent staff to leave due to his moaning and bully tactics.

If you're out there Tam - give us an "update!"

Report them go God. He'll take care of them. For sure. Write up an indictment. Place it in the hands of your local priest and look at him in the eyes like you were putting him on notice.

you have no idea the suffering of the avg. factory worker. When one is asked to place something in box- that is what you are to do. However, the act of "placing in a box" has become an art in which a degree is needed. For instance there is a "wrong" and "right" way to put something in a box. There are box supervisors. There is even suervisor that watches the supervisors watch people put things in boxes. Pathetic isn't it.