Elderly person attacked and killed by thugs

You are right Capital punishment isnt the answer, just keep on doing whats been happening just put the little darlings in a Holiday camp, sorry i meant Prison where they can watch Sky Tv, play on the X Box, smoke lots of weed and live in warmth and comfort for 3 to 5 years when they do kill a innocent pensioner.

Bless its a shame for the little Tinkers when they do get caught for murder its not their faut they are only young i blame the parents.

Britain used to be a great place to live, but now it is an increasingly over-populated dump. Selfish people are everywhere - from the coffee shops to the pubs and, of course, the bankers - and their self-centred attitude is breeding another generation of the same ilk. Incidents like these - the old lady killed by thugs - will increase alongside the decrease in any sense of community, even national, identity.

We should be looking out for each other but that is a dream long gone, and a public school boy, millionaire Primeminister repeating "Big Society" all the time will not make a jot of difference. We need radical solutions to problems like these, including pulling out of the EU, devolving power significantly to the people, cutting net immigration to zero (to give communities time to consolidate those already here), a redistribution of wealth to give people a chance of a decent job and an end to the monopoly of power by the rich elite.

Capital punishment is not the solution - it is a step in the wrong direction and inevitably will mean a less compassionate society. Otherwise, radical, people-driven approaches are needed and these will not come from the elite who are members of that moribund institution called Parliament.

Ok, I can see what you mean here.

But... It's not OK for me to not offer my seat to an elderly person, but it's alright for an elderly person to purposely knock me off my bike, when I'm wearing a helmet, lights, and am on a designated cycle path? and his excuse was "You can't ride here" When clearly, I can.

How long before we have to leave our lights on to stop burglars from injuring themselves? Also,Jeremy,if an adolescent little scroat is stupid enough to climb through barbed wire,its THEIR fault,OK? Not the old lady's fault,not the manufacturer's fault,its THEIR fault,OK? Also,I understand that some of these have had bad upbringings(being a kid myself),but most take advantage of the courts to blame their trouble on someone else. Plus,regardless of their upbringing/age/gender,they should be PUNISHED appropriately,but idiots like Jeremy give them a slap on the wrist and punish innocent civilians instead because well...its easier.

I think a reduced form of electricution would be apt for those thugs. Give them a dose of what might happen if they continue. and if they don't change, they get the full monty.

There is a saying what goes around comes around and one day if things continue as they are these thugs will be old and frail,and just with a bit of luck they themselves may experience what it is like to be a victim.
Just waiting for a member of the doogooder brigade to say well they probably wasnt breast fed as a baby or they were an only child, or they may have been abused in some way the list goes on.
This country must be the laughing stock of the world, get the birch brought back and lets get some spine take the country back from the thugs.

Cheryl

I would also like to see less anti-social behaviour and lower crime figures but I don't see how National Service would make any difference. Many criminally minded men went in and they still came out as criminals.

The Kray twins did National Service and they were not what you would call model citizens.

I think that by that age a person’s character has mostlu already formed. Teaching people respect and consideration for others needs to start a lot earlier.

They should bring back the cane in schools to teach these unruly brats some discipline.And also restore national service too.Political correctness has just gone mad in this country.If I had cheeked my parents when I was a little girl then I was given a sound beating.It did me no harm.Neither it has with my young daughter either.

I've often thought that there should be a government department that makes rubbish who perpertrate this kind of thing 'disappear'. They deserve no mercy.

"The gallows it does well.But how does it do well?It does well to all that do ill."Hang the scum.

They should bring back public executions.My great grandmother was witness to such a spectacle way back in 1868 when she lived in the east end of London.It intilled fear in the community for generations.The people were poor & petty crime was as rife as it is today.But people had respect for each other & shared what little they had.Now there is no respect,no manners,or civility.Just incompetence,stupid political correctness gone mad,& idiotic pathetic do-gooders who argue for the rights of these vermin.No wonder the country is in the state that it is in today.These thugs should be hanged.

Part of the answer is the death penalty. Handing out 3 month custodial sentences is derisory. The death penalty will only work when the police and judicial systems have their hands untied and are allowed to hand down meaningful sentences.

Until such time as that happens, and the sad reality is that that will be never as the death penalty has been outlawed by the people who run the UK, that's those bunch of bloodsucking incompetent corrupt politicos in Brussels, then Dr. Pepperfan's solution is the way to go.

Horrible to think that this happens in a so-called civilised society. My sypmathies to the lady's family and friends.

I have severe difficulty in recognising these sub-human creatures as fellow UK citizens. There is, of course, no simple answer to the problem of violence against anyone, let alone the elderly and other vunerable people.

Anyone who suggests that they have 'the solution' is foolish in the extreme.

I belive the best way to teach these lowlives a lesson would be big hard looking men with baseball bats go round in vans abducting the thugs and drive them away and beat the living daylights out of them until their black and blue , bruised and broken and dump them in the middle of nowhere so the vigilantes can't be caught

"What happens if a burglar/intruder is caught on the wire and an artery is severed?"

Assuming it isn't a child going for a ball, then the scumbag that wants to steal your belongings that you've worked thousands of hours to earn, so that he or she can sell them or have them for themselves deserve to be severely hurt. That may be a deterant.

I was a teacher in New York, but I quit and became a stockbroker. My students had become so out-of-control it was impossible to teach, and please don't believe what you saw in the films COACH CARTER, FREEDOM WRITERS, or TAKE THE LEAD. There are no "miracle" teachers who can turn these kids around.

90% of the problem is the parents, who are clueless or just don't feel like being the parent. The fathers are nowhere to be found, and the mothers have one kid after another by different men (none of whom pay child support or see their kids).

But I know part of the root of the problem:

1. There was a spike in teenage pregnancies in the 1990's. My students were all born around that time. They're all angry, fatherless, and their mothers may be on drugs, so they're often raised by relatives. They have no stable family unit. Kids like that don't learn right from wrong. That's why I often gave the kids literature about birth control. I think we're making some progress there.

2. You'd think the parents would say "you want Nikes, then get a job and pay for them." But no, the parents spoil the kids rotten and expect nothing in return. Only one of my students had a part-time job, so I brought in a stack of job applications from Starbucks, McDonalds, Gap, Old Navy, Haagen Daz, etc. None of them turned in their applications. Parent need to be convinced not to give their kids Ipods, cell phones, Xboxes, or other doodads unless the kids get good grades or pay for it htemselves.

I lived in Britain from 1987-1992. Things weren't great back then, but I hear it's worse now. Remember the "Millers" family from "East Enders"? When families are like that, the kids are bound to turn out bad.

Michael, I would not wish any harm to become of anyone. Do we or, do we not have police in this country. Is this what they are paid to do, crime prevention and solve crime. Do we have an alternate service other than the police? No, we do not. Until the day we do, am afraid the police is all we have. Unless, you have any suggestions, a solution to the problem, lynchmob perhaps?

You'll have to do what the rest of us have to do.... Sit and suck on it.

As long as you don't go hurting any burglars you just may stay away from the Courthouse.

Jeremy would rather see a frail 93yo pensioner terrified and robbed of everything she has worked for all her life. Than think of a burglar caught on barb wire protecting the pensioner from these thugs.
With this thinking this is why the thugs are winning.
This is why so many pensioners are attacked and killed with knives and strangled.

Ladies and Gents, the time has come to stock up your armoury and keep your Alsations by your side. Protect what's yours and what you've worked hard for. Don't rely on the law to protect you for this is just not going to happen, doesn't work like that. When it comes down to it, it's either you or them.

The first degenerate deadbeat I catch on my property, I'll feed them to the dogs.

And oh, It's better to have guns and not need them to need guns and not have them.

"Ruby Barber 93yo has been told by Officials at Northampton Borough Council she would have to remove the barbed wire at her home in Ryehill in case burglars who tried to climb in were injured. The council has also told another resident she cannot use anti-climb paint for the same reason"

I have to go with the Council on this one and I believe they have made the right call. You can't go around putting up barbed wire around your home. What happens if a burglar/intruder is caught on the wire and an artery is severed? They may not be anyone around to assist and give first aid treatment which may result in death.